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Tue Aug-03-10 09:42 PM
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| 61. Reagan's contention: Government can't do anything right. |
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Edited on Tue Aug-03-10 09:43 PM by laughingliberal
The more of Reagan's policies which are adopted, the more true the statement became. Sadly, we have a lot of Democrats these days who advocate for Reaganesque policies.
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| -The First Step in Crippling Our System of Government Is To Convince |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 03:23 PM |
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Well, since all of us ARE the government, does it not follow that if the government is broken then |
arbusto_baboso |
Aug-03-10 03:24 PM |
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But, you see, that posits that the government is broken. |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 03:27 PM |
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I didn't say it was broken. Messed-up certainly. But... I guess the point I was trying to make... |
arbusto_baboso |
Aug-03-10 03:30 PM |
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Ah, OK. I see. You may be right. I've certainly seen many people |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 03:33 PM |
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Learning that political activisim no longer works- |
asdjrocky |
Aug-03-10 03:30 PM |
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What is the difference between political and direct activism? |
treestar |
Aug-03-10 03:32 PM |
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I'll answer with Howard Zinn's speech from John Hopkin's U in 1970- |
asdjrocky |
Aug-03-10 03:42 PM |
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As I have done so often, I give you Al Franken. |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 03:32 PM |
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I see your Al Franken and I raise you a Howard Zinn- |
asdjrocky |
Aug-03-10 03:37 PM |
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Howard Zinn is dead. He was an influential figure in |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 03:52 PM |
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You have no idea what you are talking about. |
asdjrocky |
Aug-03-10 03:58 PM |
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Actually, it is you who have no idea who I am or what I know. |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 04:02 PM |
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Maybe not. |
asdjrocky |
Aug-03-10 04:08 PM |
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Not really. Again, you know nothing about me, and I'm not in the |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 04:11 PM |
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Oh, thank you so much for the premission to belive what I believe. |
asdjrocky |
Aug-03-10 04:12 PM |
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The point is that you need no permission from me or anyone else. |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 04:20 PM |
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nice trolling |
27inCali |
Aug-03-10 07:47 PM |
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So Martin Luther King did not bring change through civil disobedience? |
RainDog |
Aug-03-10 09:27 PM |
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You said it right Rain Dog. |
asdjrocky |
Aug-04-10 01:05 PM |
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Back then they actually covered marches on the news |
27inCali |
Aug-05-10 02:45 AM |
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So in your mind, it is far more successful to keep re-electing |
sabrina 1 |
Aug-03-10 11:06 PM |
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I'm not against civil disobedience |
27inCali |
Aug-05-10 02:50 AM |
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Well, I agree with you regarding the Dems voting against their |
sabrina 1 |
Aug-05-10 12:08 PM |
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You've never read Zinn either, have you? n/t |
EFerrari |
Aug-04-10 07:38 AM |
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No! do I have to? Is he the only source of wisdom? |
27inCali |
Aug-05-10 02:58 AM |
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pure projection on your part. |
inna |
Aug-04-10 10:38 AM |
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popularity should not be an argument for one's worth |
27inCali |
Aug-05-10 03:02 AM |
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That seems like an overly simplistic view. |
wickerwoman |
Aug-03-10 07:24 PM |
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I didn't say, or mean, that changing minds does nothing. In fact, |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 07:41 PM |
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What you fear is the Democratic Party's tone deafness |
RainDog |
Aug-03-10 09:39 PM |
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It's always a mistake to believe that |
MineralMan |
Aug-04-10 08:22 AM |
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according to the democratic party... |
tomp |
Aug-04-10 08:47 AM |
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Where are you getting this information? |
janx |
Aug-04-10 01:16 PM |
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don't be ridiculous. |
tomp |
Aug-04-10 10:59 PM |
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Yes, it is a common error. |
RainDog |
Aug-04-10 04:05 PM |
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I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't an organized group whose goal is the destruction of our syste |
prolesunited |
Aug-03-10 03:30 PM |
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Them too. I wonder if there aren't some in that group who are |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 03:34 PM |
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I have little doubt that your suspicions are correct. |
Jackpine Radical |
Aug-03-10 03:31 PM |
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I think so |
treestar |
Aug-03-10 03:31 PM |
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Of Course It's Organized, And It Is Meant To Destroy And Discourage |
Beetwasher |
Aug-03-10 03:33 PM |
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But, are people so easily led capable of governing? |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 03:37 PM |
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No, But That's Not Their Purpose, Their Purpose Is To Disrupt |
Beetwasher |
Aug-03-10 03:43 PM |
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That could be right. All they need do is demoralize enough |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 04:08 PM |
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Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Aug-03-10 03:33 PM |
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Oh, I'm not talking about holding the government accountable. |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 03:36 PM |
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you mean the mere election of obama equals holding bush/cheney accountable? |
tomp |
Aug-04-10 08:51 AM |
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what's worse, negativism or the promise of change that fell flat? |
NightWatcher |
Aug-03-10 03:38 PM |
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You honestly believe that there has been no change from Bush to Obama? |
Drunken Irishman |
Aug-03-10 03:46 PM |
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Managing expectations is a big part of it... |
JuniperLea |
Aug-03-10 03:54 PM |
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And yet, you are participating here. So, you have obviously not |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 03:54 PM |
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Negativism... |
JuniperLea |
Aug-03-10 03:42 PM |
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I'm pretty sure those who may be spreading this negative FUD |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 03:58 PM |
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Hope this helps: |
snot |
Aug-03-10 03:55 PM |
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I Cannot Recommend This Video Enough... |
Steely_Dan |
Aug-04-10 08:44 AM |
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There've been henny pennys since the primaries |
Cha |
Aug-03-10 03:55 PM |
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Thank you. |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 04:00 PM |
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Great topic |
kctim |
Aug-03-10 04:00 PM |
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The Republicans are depressing me! |
gulliver |
Aug-03-10 04:01 PM |
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Agreed. Which makes me wonder if the right is running this |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 04:04 PM |
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But yet they DON'T even "govern" |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Aug-04-10 04:15 PM |
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Negatives unite |
grantcart |
Aug-03-10 04:07 PM |
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I'm not really talking about the Tea Party morons in this thread. |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 04:10 PM |
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The same principles apply. |
grantcart |
Aug-03-10 04:28 PM |
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It seems to me that it's difficult to make positive changes if |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 06:54 PM |
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Isn't this kind of thing against the new rules? Group slurs? |
EFerrari |
Aug-04-10 07:03 AM |
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Why do you assume I'm talking about Democrats in general or |
MineralMan |
Aug-04-10 08:29 AM |
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No, I'm not. And I was responding to grantcart. nt |
EFerrari |
Aug-04-10 12:36 PM |
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It is a clear statement of fact |
grantcart |
Aug-04-10 12:53 PM |
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Great post MineralMan. |
Scurrilous |
Aug-03-10 04:26 PM |
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Well, I don't know about that, but it's something I've been thinking |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 06:52 PM |
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I don't see organized negativism. What I do see are a lot of people |
Joe Fields |
Aug-03-10 04:50 PM |
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Our "system of government" is a play put on by the Corporate Elite to give the illusion of Democracy |
Odin2005 |
Aug-03-10 04:58 PM |
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Well, here's a clue. Capitalism isn't going away. There's nothing |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 06:47 PM |
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My problem is that both of you are arguing myth not reality |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-03-10 09:57 PM |
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Capitalism is built upon the notion of free markets. In the US, monopolies dominate many markets. |
Selatius |
Aug-04-10 07:05 AM |
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Then, it is not capitalism to which you object, but monopolies? |
MineralMan |
Aug-04-10 08:32 AM |
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Odin, I just have to say this... You went through so much growth in the last few years, judging by. |
inna |
Aug-04-10 10:46 AM |
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As a matter of hact I have, just got his new book last weekend. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-04-10 04:38 PM |
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One of the key liberal values is that the government is an institution |
NJmaverick |
Aug-03-10 05:04 PM |
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Very true. And Democrats are the most likely party to do those |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 06:50 PM |
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A valid point MM, well worth considering |
JNelson6563 |
Aug-03-10 06:19 PM |
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You have a point there, truly. |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 06:50 PM |
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Such organized group is called the GOP |
uponit7771 |
Aug-03-10 06:55 PM |
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Yes, I've noticed. And the worst thing is that it oftentimes a self-fulfilling prophecy. nt |
quiet.american |
Aug-03-10 07:19 PM |
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Exactly. |
MineralMan |
Aug-03-10 07:21 PM |
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Cynics hate progress. It undermines their core philosophy. So they have a lot invested |
KittyWampus |
Aug-03-10 09:35 PM |
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You see that everyday with DU's cynics that won't acknowledge the incredible changes already made |
scheming daemons |
Aug-03-10 09:36 PM |
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which is why I spend so little time here anymore. |
KittyWampus |
Aug-03-10 09:38 PM |
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Cynics hate |
ProSense |
Aug-03-10 10:15 PM |
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You're absolutely right. |
Number23 |
Aug-04-10 05:34 PM |
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Reagan's contention: Government can't do anything right. |
laughingliberal |
Aug-03-10 09:42 PM |
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kick |
azmouse |
Aug-03-10 09:54 PM |
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K/R! |
Born_A_Truman |
Aug-03-10 09:54 PM |
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We go through these every so often |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-03-10 10:00 PM |
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Well said! eom |
laughingliberal |
Aug-03-10 11:22 PM |
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This thread belongs in the dungeon. |
Bonobo |
Aug-03-10 10:02 PM |
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I think he just means, this would be a great board if it weren't for all goddam |
EFerrari |
Aug-04-10 06:36 AM |
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Thanks for the translation. |
Bonobo |
Aug-04-10 06:50 AM |
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I just watched "Orwell Rolls In His Grave" again. |
EFerrari |
Aug-04-10 06:54 AM |
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I agree, conspiracy theories are not supposed to be allowed in GD.. |
Fumesucker |
Aug-04-10 07:01 AM |
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You should listen to pragmatic woodchucks more pal. |
Bonobo |
Aug-04-10 07:08 AM |
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People who live on the beach learn not to stand under the coconut palm.. |
Fumesucker |
Aug-04-10 07:13 AM |
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Simply untrue. |
Bonobo |
Aug-04-10 07:17 AM |
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LOL.. I rest my case.. |
Fumesucker |
Aug-04-10 07:21 AM |
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Our government IS worthless and unable to fix anything.. |
JackDragna |
Aug-03-10 10:18 PM |
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If that is the case, then it stands to reason that election activism |
MineralMan |
Aug-04-10 08:40 AM |
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Obama is the ultimate embodiment of cynical politics. |
girl gone mad |
Aug-03-10 10:51 PM |
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Capitalism must die |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-03-10 11:08 PM |
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Interesting. What mechanism do you envision that will cause |
MineralMan |
Aug-04-10 08:42 AM |
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The guillotine! |
IndianaGreen |
Aug-04-10 04:00 PM |
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It seems the left has adopted the tactics used by the right... All negativism.. |
Kahuna |
Aug-04-10 06:27 AM |
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I suggest that we need not accept negativism, but can |
MineralMan |
Aug-04-10 08:46 AM |
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Its a GOP strategy developed by Grover Norquist ... |
JoePhilly |
Aug-04-10 07:25 AM |
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Good post... |
SidDithers |
Aug-04-10 07:38 AM |
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Yep, here in the bubble where people are actually paying attention to the destruction of our nation. |
Fumesucker |
Aug-04-10 08:29 AM |
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What you say is true. Most people are not as fascinated by |
MineralMan |
Aug-04-10 11:01 AM |
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I'm not sure about that. I'm seeing it even in the voices of pundits, |
MineralMan |
Aug-04-10 08:49 AM |
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Pundits-- |
janx |
Aug-04-10 10:48 AM |
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Our gov't oversees the transfer of wealth from working people to big corps with great efficiency. |
Romulox |
Aug-04-10 08:36 AM |
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That's been the repub mantra for years |
Brewman_Jax |
Aug-04-10 08:45 AM |
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That is true. Which is one of the factors that raises the very |
MineralMan |
Aug-04-10 08:50 AM |
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Yep. Keep in mind that george w. bush did exactly what he said he would do.. |
Kahuna |
Aug-04-10 08:54 AM |
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Unrealistic Expectations? |
Steely_Dan |
Aug-04-10 09:04 AM |
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pretty much hogwash. |
tomp |
Aug-04-10 09:16 AM |
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And that is the way to present a civil, but strong, argument. Well done. |
ThomWV |
Aug-04-10 09:28 AM |
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OK. What I posted is my opinion and a question. |
MineralMan |
Aug-04-10 10:28 AM |
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on my way out. will respond later. nt |
tomp |
Aug-04-10 10:33 AM |
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If it works only to funnel wealth to the rich, spy on it's citizens, waging unending war against |
TheKentuckian |
Aug-04-10 12:38 PM |
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ok, a quick response. |
tomp |
Aug-04-10 11:31 PM |
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+1. well done. |
inna |
Aug-04-10 10:48 AM |
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well-said. |
nightrain |
Aug-04-10 01:00 PM |
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Kick. Worth discussing. nt |
Hekate |
Aug-04-10 05:32 PM |
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I don't know, Hekate. Seems like all this thread has proved is that there are too many people on DU |
Number23 |
Aug-04-10 05:38 PM |
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heehee. Well, there is that. You definitely have a point. |
Hekate |
Aug-04-10 05:54 PM |
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Yep... |
JuniperLea |
Aug-04-10 07:16 PM |
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That's exactly right. Cynicism about government is cynically manipulated. |
Unvanguard |
Aug-05-10 03:07 AM |
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