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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 06:47 PM
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45. Well, here's a clue. Capitalism isn't going away. There's nothing
to replace it that can serve the needs of 350,000,000 people in a country the size of the USA. So, that's more FUD, as far as I'm concerned. Capitalism needs to be regulated. But it's not going to disappear an any time period that will be within any DUers lifetime.

So, what's your next step. Do you suppose the Republicans are going to regulate capitalism in any real way? How has that worked out in the past?

Or, if you know what system can replace capitalism in the USA, I'd sure be interested to hear about it. You'll have to be practical, though. Remember the population, size, and distribution of that population before you make your suggestion, or it will be laughable.
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  -The First Step in Crippling Our System of Government Is To Convince MineralMan  Aug-03-10 03:23 PM   #0 
  - Well, since all of us ARE the government, does it not follow that if the government is broken then  arbusto_baboso   Aug-03-10 03:24 PM   #1 
  - But, you see, that posits that the government is broken.  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 03:27 PM   #2 
     - I didn't say it was broken. Messed-up certainly. But... I guess the point I was trying to make...  arbusto_baboso   Aug-03-10 03:30 PM   #5 
        - Ah, OK. I see. You may be right. I've certainly seen many people  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 03:33 PM   #10 
  - Learning that political activisim no longer works-  asdjrocky   Aug-03-10 03:30 PM   #3 
  - What is the difference between political and direct activism?  treestar   Aug-03-10 03:32 PM   #8 
  - I'll answer with Howard Zinn's speech from John Hopkin's U in 1970-  asdjrocky   Aug-03-10 03:42 PM   # 
  - As I have done so often, I give you Al Franken.  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 03:32 PM   #9 
     - I see your Al Franken and I raise you a Howard Zinn-  asdjrocky   Aug-03-10 03:37 PM   #15 
        - Howard Zinn is dead. He was an influential figure in  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 03:52 PM   #21 
           - You have no idea what you are talking about.  asdjrocky   Aug-03-10 03:58 PM   #25 
           - Actually, it is you who have no idea who I am or what I know.  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 04:02 PM   #30 
              - Maybe not.  asdjrocky   Aug-03-10 04:08 PM   #34 
                 - Not really. Again, you know nothing about me, and I'm not in the  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 04:11 PM   #36 
                    - Oh, thank you so much for the premission to belive what I believe.  asdjrocky   Aug-03-10 04:12 PM   #37 
                       - The point is that you need no permission from me or anyone else.  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 04:20 PM   #38 
                       - nice trolling  27inCali   Aug-03-10 07:47 PM   #55 
                          - So Martin Luther King did not bring change through civil disobedience?  RainDog   Aug-03-10 09:27 PM   #56 
                          - You said it right Rain Dog.  asdjrocky   Aug-04-10 01:05 PM   #116 
                          - Back then they actually covered marches on the news  27inCali   Aug-05-10 02:45 AM   #129 
                          - So in your mind, it is far more successful to keep re-electing  sabrina 1   Aug-03-10 11:06 PM   #70 
                          - I'm not against civil disobedience  27inCali   Aug-05-10 02:50 AM   #130 
                             - Well, I agree with you regarding the Dems voting against their  sabrina 1   Aug-05-10 12:08 PM   #134 
                          - You've never read Zinn either, have you? n/t  EFerrari   Aug-04-10 07:38 AM   #85 
                          - No! do I have to? Is he the only source of wisdom?  27inCali   Aug-05-10 02:58 AM   #131 
                          - pure projection on your part.  inna   Aug-04-10 10:38 AM   #107 
                             - popularity should not be an argument for one's worth  27inCali   Aug-05-10 03:02 AM   #132 
           - That seems like an overly simplistic view.  wickerwoman   Aug-03-10 07:24 PM   #53 
              - I didn't say, or mean, that changing minds does nothing. In fact,  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 07:41 PM   #54 
                 - What you fear is the Democratic Party's tone deafness  RainDog   Aug-03-10 09:39 PM   #60 
                    - It's always a mistake to believe that  MineralMan   Aug-04-10 08:22 AM   #87 
                       - according to the democratic party...  tomp   Aug-04-10 08:47 AM   #97 
                       - Where are you getting this information?  janx   Aug-04-10 01:16 PM   #117 
                          - don't be ridiculous.  tomp   Aug-04-10 10:59 PM   #127 
                       - Yes, it is a common error.  RainDog   Aug-04-10 04:05 PM   #119 
  - I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't an organized group whose goal is the destruction of our syste  prolesunited   Aug-03-10 03:30 PM   #4 
  - Them too. I wonder if there aren't some in that group who are  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 03:34 PM   #13 
  - I have little doubt that your suspicions are correct.  Jackpine Radical   Aug-03-10 03:31 PM   #6 
  - I think so  treestar   Aug-03-10 03:31 PM   #7 
  - Of Course It's Organized, And It Is Meant To Destroy And Discourage  Beetwasher   Aug-03-10 03:33 PM   #11 
  - But, are people so easily led capable of governing?  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 03:37 PM   #16 
     - No, But That's Not Their Purpose, Their Purpose Is To Disrupt  Beetwasher   Aug-03-10 03:43 PM   #19 
        - That could be right. All they need do is demoralize enough  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 04:08 PM   #33 
  - Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Aug-03-10 03:33 PM   #12 
  - Oh, I'm not talking about holding the government accountable.  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 03:36 PM   #14 
     - you mean the mere election of obama equals holding bush/cheney accountable?  tomp   Aug-04-10 08:51 AM   #100 
  - what's worse, negativism or the promise of change that fell flat?  NightWatcher   Aug-03-10 03:38 PM   #17 
  - You honestly believe that there has been no change from Bush to Obama?  Drunken Irishman   Aug-03-10 03:46 PM   #20 
  - Managing expectations is a big part of it...  JuniperLea   Aug-03-10 03:54 PM   # 
  - And yet, you are participating here. So, you have obviously not  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 03:54 PM   #22 
  - Negativism...  JuniperLea   Aug-03-10 03:42 PM   #18 
  - I'm pretty sure those who may be spreading this negative FUD  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 03:58 PM   #26 
  - Hope this helps:  snot   Aug-03-10 03:55 PM   #23 
  - I Cannot Recommend This Video Enough...  Steely_Dan   Aug-04-10 08:44 AM   #94 
  - There've been henny pennys since the primaries  Cha   Aug-03-10 03:55 PM   #24 
  - Thank you.  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 04:00 PM   #27 
  - Great topic  kctim   Aug-03-10 04:00 PM   #28 
  - The Republicans are depressing me!  gulliver   Aug-03-10 04:01 PM   #29 
  - Agreed. Which makes me wonder if the right is running this  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 04:04 PM   #31 
  - But yet they DON'T even "govern"  Proud Liberal Dem   Aug-04-10 04:15 PM   #120 
  - Negatives unite  grantcart   Aug-03-10 04:07 PM   #32 
  - I'm not really talking about the Tea Party morons in this thread.  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 04:10 PM   #35 
     - The same principles apply.  grantcart   Aug-03-10 04:28 PM   #40 
        - It seems to me that it's difficult to make positive changes if  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 06:54 PM   #49 
        - Isn't this kind of thing against the new rules? Group slurs?  EFerrari   Aug-04-10 07:03 AM   #78 
           - Why do you assume I'm talking about Democrats in general or  MineralMan   Aug-04-10 08:29 AM   #88 
              - No, I'm not. And I was responding to grantcart. nt  EFerrari   Aug-04-10 12:36 PM   #112 
                 - It is a clear statement of fact  grantcart   Aug-04-10 12:53 PM   #114 
  - Great post MineralMan.  Scurrilous   Aug-03-10 04:26 PM   #39 
  - Well, I don't know about that, but it's something I've been thinking  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 06:52 PM   #48 
  - I don't see organized negativism. What I do see are a lot of people  Joe Fields   Aug-03-10 04:50 PM   #41 
  - Our "system of government" is a play put on by the Corporate Elite to give the illusion of Democracy  Odin2005   Aug-03-10 04:58 PM   #42 
  - Well, here's a clue. Capitalism isn't going away. There's nothing  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 06:47 PM   #45 
  - My problem is that both of you are arguing myth not reality  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-03-10 09:57 PM   #64 
  - Capitalism is built upon the notion of free markets. In the US, monopolies dominate many markets.  Selatius   Aug-04-10 07:05 AM   #79 
     - Then, it is not capitalism to which you object, but monopolies?  MineralMan   Aug-04-10 08:32 AM   #90 
  - Odin, I just have to say this... You went through so much growth in the last few years, judging by.  inna   Aug-04-10 10:46 AM   #108 
     - As a matter of hact I have, just got his new book last weekend.  Odin2005   Aug-04-10 04:38 PM   #121 
  - One of the key liberal values is that the government is an institution  NJmaverick   Aug-03-10 05:04 PM   #43 
  - Very true. And Democrats are the most likely party to do those  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 06:50 PM   #46 
  - A valid point MM, well worth considering  JNelson6563   Aug-03-10 06:19 PM   #44 
  - You have a point there, truly.  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 06:50 PM   #47 
  - Such organized group is called the GOP  uponit7771   Aug-03-10 06:55 PM   #50 
  - Yes, I've noticed. And the worst thing is that it oftentimes a self-fulfilling prophecy. nt  quiet.american   Aug-03-10 07:19 PM   #51 
  - Exactly.  MineralMan   Aug-03-10 07:21 PM   #52 
  - Cynics hate progress. It undermines their core philosophy. So they have a lot invested  KittyWampus   Aug-03-10 09:35 PM   #57 
  - You see that everyday with DU's cynics that won't acknowledge the incredible changes already made  scheming daemons   Aug-03-10 09:36 PM   #58 
  - which is why I spend so little time here anymore.  KittyWampus   Aug-03-10 09:38 PM   #59 
  - Cynics hate  ProSense   Aug-03-10 10:15 PM   #67 
  - You're absolutely right.  Number23   Aug-04-10 05:34 PM   #123 
  - Reagan's contention: Government can't do anything right.  laughingliberal   Aug-03-10 09:42 PM   #61 
  - kick  azmouse   Aug-03-10 09:54 PM   #62 
  - K/R!  Born_A_Truman   Aug-03-10 09:54 PM   #63 
  - We go through these every so often  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-03-10 10:00 PM   #65 
  - Well said! eom  laughingliberal   Aug-03-10 11:22 PM   #72 
  - This thread belongs in the dungeon.  Bonobo   Aug-03-10 10:02 PM   #66 
  - I think he just means, this would be a great board if it weren't for all goddam  EFerrari   Aug-04-10 06:36 AM   #74 
  - Thanks for the translation.  Bonobo   Aug-04-10 06:50 AM   #75 
     - I just watched "Orwell Rolls In His Grave" again.  EFerrari   Aug-04-10 06:54 AM   #76 
  - I agree, conspiracy theories are not supposed to be allowed in GD..  Fumesucker   Aug-04-10 07:01 AM   #77 
     - You should listen to pragmatic woodchucks more pal.  Bonobo   Aug-04-10 07:08 AM   #80 
        - People who live on the beach learn not to stand under the coconut palm..  Fumesucker   Aug-04-10 07:13 AM   #81 
           - Simply untrue.  Bonobo   Aug-04-10 07:17 AM   #82 
              - LOL.. I rest my case..  Fumesucker   Aug-04-10 07:21 AM   #83 
  - Our government IS worthless and unable to fix anything..  JackDragna   Aug-03-10 10:18 PM   #68 
  - If that is the case, then it stands to reason that election activism  MineralMan   Aug-04-10 08:40 AM   #92 
  - Obama is the ultimate embodiment of cynical politics.  girl gone mad   Aug-03-10 10:51 PM   #69 
  - Capitalism must die  IndianaGreen   Aug-03-10 11:08 PM   #71 
  - Interesting. What mechanism do you envision that will cause  MineralMan   Aug-04-10 08:42 AM   #93 
     - The guillotine!  IndianaGreen   Aug-04-10 04:00 PM   #118 
  - It seems the left has adopted the tactics used by the right... All negativism..  Kahuna   Aug-04-10 06:27 AM   #73 
  - I suggest that we need not accept negativism, but can  MineralMan   Aug-04-10 08:46 AM   #96 
  - Its a GOP strategy developed by Grover Norquist ...  JoePhilly   Aug-04-10 07:25 AM   #84 
  - Good post...  SidDithers   Aug-04-10 07:38 AM   #86 
  - Yep, here in the bubble where people are actually paying attention to the destruction of our nation.  Fumesucker   Aug-04-10 08:29 AM   #89 
  - What you say is true. Most people are not as fascinated by  MineralMan   Aug-04-10 11:01 AM   #111 
  - I'm not sure about that. I'm seeing it even in the voices of pundits,  MineralMan   Aug-04-10 08:49 AM   #98 
     - Pundits--  janx   Aug-04-10 10:48 AM   #109 
  - Our gov't oversees the transfer of wealth from working people to big corps with great efficiency.  Romulox   Aug-04-10 08:36 AM   #91 
  - That's been the repub mantra for years  Brewman_Jax   Aug-04-10 08:45 AM   #95 
  - That is true. Which is one of the factors that raises the very  MineralMan   Aug-04-10 08:50 AM   #99 
  - Yep. Keep in mind that george w. bush did exactly what he said he would do..  Kahuna   Aug-04-10 08:54 AM   #101 
  - Unrealistic Expectations?  Steely_Dan   Aug-04-10 09:04 AM   #102 
  - pretty much hogwash.  tomp   Aug-04-10 09:16 AM   #103 
  - And that is the way to present a civil, but strong, argument. Well done.  ThomWV   Aug-04-10 09:28 AM   #104 
  - OK. What I posted is my opinion and a question.  MineralMan   Aug-04-10 10:28 AM   #105 
  - on my way out. will respond later. nt  tomp   Aug-04-10 10:33 AM   #106 
  - If it works only to funnel wealth to the rich, spy on it's citizens, waging unending war against  TheKentuckian   Aug-04-10 12:38 PM   #113 
  - ok, a quick response.  tomp   Aug-04-10 11:31 PM   #128 
  - +1. well done.  inna   Aug-04-10 10:48 AM   #110 
  - well-said.  nightrain   Aug-04-10 01:00 PM   #115 
  - Kick. Worth discussing. nt  Hekate   Aug-04-10 05:32 PM   #122 
  - I don't know, Hekate. Seems like all this thread has proved is that there are too many people on DU  Number23   Aug-04-10 05:38 PM   #124 
     - heehee. Well, there is that. You definitely have a point.  Hekate   Aug-04-10 05:54 PM   #125 
     - Yep...  JuniperLea   Aug-04-10 07:16 PM   #126 
  - That's exactly right. Cynicism about government is cynically manipulated.  Unvanguard   Aug-05-10 03:07 AM   #133 

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