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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 09:44 PM
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117. *blush*
You're right: there's no reason to assume that the absentee and election day vote shares should be equal. (I wonder if Favorito checked the absentee vote in the 2008 presidential election? Actually, I'm pretty sure he didn't. At any rate, I agree that Jon made a very good point.)

The theory that all the "electronic" Greene and Rawl votes were swapped really doesn't hunt, because the paper results are positively correlated with the electronic results -- in general, Greene did best on paper in the same counties where he did best on the DREs. Now, for all I know it's possible that the paper results were hacked, too, but people might want to think twice before leaping down that rabbit hole.

But that leaves plenty of other scenarios in play. The "great" thing about DREs is that we basically don't know if they were manipulated (or glitched), and we probably never will. It might be possible to prove that they were, but not that they weren't. Not my idea of a good voting system.
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  -NEW EVIDENCE that Alvin Greenes win in SC was STOLEN! rbrnmw  Aug-02-10 09:45 AM   #0 
  - Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck....  Beetwasher   Aug-02-10 09:50 AM   #1 
  - not just because it was wrong, but because of how brazen it was and how it has been ignored by msm  corkhead   Aug-02-10 10:01 PM   #122 
  - Election Stolen  Action   Aug-03-10 09:01 AM   #153 
  - Names/Values were switched in the code. Has to be the case IMHO.  mikelgb   Aug-02-10 09:53 AM   #2 
  - OMG, that actually makes perfect sense, that means whoever wrote the program rigged it  ShadowLiberal   Aug-02-10 09:08 PM   #115 
     - mail absentee results are positively correlated with DRE results  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-02-10 09:59 PM   #121 
  - But we've had....  daleanime   Aug-02-10 09:53 AM   #3 
  - Wow. What a great country we live in.  NoSheep   Aug-02-10 09:53 AM   #4 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-02-10 05:06 PM   #89 
     - Oh yea. I forgot I was supposed to be towing the line to appease the lowest common denominator.  NoSheep   Aug-02-10 09:56 PM   #120 
     - ... in a nutshell.  Joe Chi Minh   Aug-03-10 06:45 PM   #161 
     - Wow, the STRANGEST things pop up when you search yourself.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Aug-04-10 10:17 AM   #163 
  - This misses out one impotant question  dmallind   Aug-02-10 09:54 AM   #5 
  - It would make a big difference because the live vote was manipulated, not the absentee ballots.  CLANG   Aug-02-10 12:26 PM   #37 
  - I don't know either..  mdmc   Aug-02-10 04:55 PM   #88 
  - HAVA In Our Family We Call It ..  rbrnmw   Aug-02-10 05:13 PM   #90 
  - It's the essential question when examining this line of reasoning  customerserviceguy   Aug-03-10 06:16 AM   #141 
     - maybe, but be careful  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-03-10 07:34 AM   #147 
        - That's a point I hadn't considered  customerserviceguy   Aug-04-10 06:17 AM   #162 
           - oh, I don't know about that  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-04-10 09:36 PM   #164 
              - Again, you've made a good point  customerserviceguy   Aug-05-10 10:23 PM   #165 
  - Those discrepancies are truly astounding, but what will be done?  ThomWV   Aug-02-10 09:56 AM   #6 
  - Well McMasters SC AG refuses to investigate  rbrnmw   Aug-02-10 09:59 AM   #9 
     - If our recent history of voter fraud  dotymed   Aug-03-10 08:16 AM   #151 
        - Wait a second...if it's truly "two parties, one master"  Wednesdays   Aug-03-10 09:03 AM   #154 
           - +1 n/t  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-03-10 10:44 AM   #158 
  - This was obvious right after the election.  Webster Green   Aug-02-10 09:58 AM   #7 
  - DING DING DING your last sentence says it ALL. You win this thread.  elehhhhna   Aug-02-10 05:25 PM   #93 
  - I agree  bobburgster   Aug-03-10 04:52 AM   #136 
  - And the media let the story die  blaze   Aug-02-10 09:58 AM   #8 
  - We need to get it back in the media some how nobody here in SC media seems to care  rbrnmw   Aug-02-10 10:02 AM   #13 
  - what's worse is that some media tried to hold him up as some  Blue_Tires   Aug-02-10 10:51 AM   #27 
  - There was link of a Fux News Reporter  rbrnmw   Aug-02-10 10:55 AM   #29 
  - More like a 10 second tongue bite. The dude is pathetic!  CLANG   Aug-02-10 12:28 PM   #38 
  - trial run??  shanti   Aug-02-10 03:14 PM   #60 
  - Greene is an idiot who didn't even campaign or raise any money or have fund raisings  bjobotts   Aug-02-10 10:25 PM   #124 
     - That this is a repub fix is blatantly obvious.They got the opponent they knew they could beat easily  bjobotts   Aug-02-10 10:26 PM   #125 
        - If Greene gave a shit about dems in his state he'd quit because he knows he's a sure loser.  bjobotts   Aug-02-10 10:27 PM   #126 
  - Pretty obvious case of fraud...  MilesColtrane   Aug-02-10 09:59 AM   #10 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-02-10 03:29 PM   #69 
     - changed my mind this doesnt deserve a response  rbrnmw   Aug-02-10 03:35 PM   #71 
     - Wow, it's like you're a mindreader or something.  MilesColtrane   Aug-02-10 03:46 PM   #74 
     - Don't have to be. Just read the RACIST threads on Alvin Green!  whistler162   Aug-03-10 06:11 AM   #139 
        - Not one of those threads is racist  LostinVA   Aug-03-10 07:39 AM   #149 
     - Calling another poster a racist is against DU rules  LostinVA   Aug-02-10 04:19 PM   #77 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-03-10 06:12 AM   #140 
           - So, you get the message deleted doing that and do it again?  LostinVA   Aug-03-10 07:37 AM   #148 
  - Why can't we get a safe clean, verifiable way of electing people?  Poboy   Aug-02-10 09:59 AM   #11 
  - follow the money  shanti   Aug-02-10 03:15 PM   #62 
  - The corporations owning the election machines are intimately linked with the corporations running  glitch   Aug-02-10 04:43 PM   #82 
  - I hate to be cynical, but the Dem Party in SC doesn't give a damn.  Stevepol   Aug-02-10 10:00 AM   #12 
  - sad but probably true nt  rbrnmw   Aug-02-10 10:05 AM   #15 
  - Yep  blindpig   Aug-02-10 03:42 PM   #72 
  - The Dem party in SC are the Washington Generals coached by Alan Colmes  mitchum   Aug-02-10 06:30 PM   #102 
  - Do not limit your opinion to SC  russspeakeasy   Aug-02-10 08:15 PM   #112 
     - Why would all those people who claim to love Jesus risk hell?  Kurovski   Aug-02-10 08:46 PM   #113 
  - Who would do this and WHY?  Indydem   Aug-02-10 10:04 AM   #14 
  - Justy testing the waters - a shot across the bow to see if it would cause a rucus.  grahamhgreen   Aug-02-10 10:09 AM   #18 
  - I agree  Renew Deal   Aug-02-10 10:12 AM   #20 
  - It's a huge deal, I wish the Dems would act to banish the machines.  grahamhgreen   Aug-02-10 10:18 AM   #23 
     - A paper trail would accomplish nothing.  CLANG   Aug-02-10 12:35 PM   #39 
        - An individual presumably could look at the receipt  LisaL   Aug-02-10 03:07 PM   #56 
           - And what will prevent the machine from lying opn the receipt?  CLANG   Aug-02-10 03:15 PM   #61 
           - You go to ATM, you ask for 200 $, you get 200 $, you get a  LisaL   Aug-02-10 03:17 PM   #64 
              - a computer can be programmed to write out the correct vote  demigoddess   Aug-02-10 07:01 PM   #106 
              - That analogy doesn't fit the situation.  CLANG   Aug-02-10 10:28 PM   #127 
                 - So, the machine prints a receipt for your vote for Obama.  Wednesdays   Aug-03-10 09:11 AM   #157 
           - it has to be a paper trail that the voter can't walk off with  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-03-10 10:56 AM   #159 
  - Agreed! Much more of this to come!  glinda   Aug-02-10 02:24 PM   #42 
  - Ding ding ding! Trial run in a small election to gauge results and areas that need fine tuning. nt  Parker CA   Aug-02-10 03:51 PM   #75 
  - The goal may have been to make the Democratic Party look  hedgehog   Aug-02-10 10:21 AM   #25 
  - why does anybody do anything? because they can...  Blue_Tires   Aug-02-10 10:52 AM   #28 
  - Republicans had plenty of motivation to interfere with the Democratic Primary.  Chef Eric   Aug-02-10 05:16 PM   #91 
  - Yes they were testing the waters.  zeemike   Aug-02-10 06:15 PM   #101 
  - See my post # 131 below...  WheelWalker   Aug-02-10 11:15 PM   #132 
  - DeMint does not have a great approval rating  NewJeffCT   Aug-03-10 08:18 AM   #152 
  - Why would an unemployed guy pay a 10 grand filing fee to get into the race to begin with?  NNN0LHI   Aug-02-10 10:06 AM   #16 
  - More to the point, how did he pay it?  KamaAina   Aug-02-10 11:24 AM   #30 
  - I would love a more thorough investigation of that too  rbrnmw   Aug-02-10 12:12 PM   #31 
  - This has already been investigated  geek_sabre   Aug-02-10 02:49 PM   #48 
     - Not Really  rbrnmw   Aug-02-10 02:51 PM   #50 
     - the huffpo article i linked  geek_sabre   Aug-02-10 04:32 PM   #81 
     - Maybe they didn't need a subpoena  Shrek   Aug-02-10 05:44 PM   #96 
     - Paid for by the taxpayers?  hughee99   Aug-02-10 05:53 PM   #97 
        - ...and unemployment is an insurance payment. (nt)  Kurovski   Aug-03-10 05:10 AM   #137 
  - Even if he had that much money, why did he do it?  LisaL   Aug-02-10 03:15 PM   #63 
     - it's almost  shanti   Aug-02-10 03:19 PM   #65 
     - Action Figures was the most out there jobs proposal I have ever heard  rbrnmw   Aug-02-10 03:24 PM   #67 
        - Wearing his army uniform, no less.  LisaL   Aug-02-10 03:27 PM   #68 
        - G.I. Alvin  rbrnmw   Aug-02-10 03:44 PM   #73 
        - Them southern crackers........  howmad1   Aug-02-10 06:51 PM   #104 
  - The machines are corrupted - we will have no democracy until we get rid of these machines. nt  grahamhgreen   Aug-02-10 10:07 AM   #17 
  - How did Greene get 45% of the mail in paper ballots?  Renew Deal   Aug-02-10 10:11 AM   #19 
  - he got it because we can go in person early to vote absentee  rbrnmw   Aug-02-10 10:15 AM   #21 
  - WTF?  Blue Owl   Aug-02-10 10:16 AM   #22 
  - BULLSHIT! HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT????? We need to have a bipartisan discussion of this.  Stinky The Clown   Aug-02-10 10:19 AM   #24 
  - Brad Blog About SC Dems decision  rbrnmw   Aug-02-10 10:37 AM   #26 
  - K&R  Kurovski   Aug-02-10 12:17 PM   #32 
  - Is it because  JonLP24   Aug-02-10 12:18 PM   #33 
  - I think your'e right on the money Jon n/t  Ellipsis   Aug-02-10 07:30 PM   #108 
  - .  Ellipsis   Aug-02-10 07:37 PM   #109 
  - Also, South Carolina has open primaries.  sofa king   Aug-02-10 11:09 PM   #130 
  - Our "freedoms" seem to be disappearing faster than clean water in the Gulf.  HCE SuiGeneris   Aug-02-10 12:20 PM   #34 
  - just like  femrap   Aug-02-10 12:24 PM   #35 
  - Doesn't give me a warm fuzzy for the 2010 midterms.  CLANG   Aug-02-10 12:25 PM   #36 
  - Sounds like Alvin Greene got a lot of absentee votes. Makes you wonder about the voters...nt  thereismore   Aug-02-10 01:08 PM   #40 
  - On the on the Electronic Absentee Ballots Paper Ballots he did dismal at best  rbrnmw   Aug-02-10 02:10 PM   #41 
     - OK thanks. Bloody paper. nt  thereismore   Aug-02-10 03:12 PM   #58 
  - Absentee ballots almost always favor the endorsed party candidate.  Radical Activist   Aug-02-10 02:33 PM   #43 
  - Sorry Not that much of swing is Expected especially when  rbrnmw   Aug-02-10 02:41 PM   #45 
  - I've seen it in several elections that use paper ballots.  Radical Activist   Aug-02-10 03:02 PM   #54 
  - Still, it's rather obvious these kind of results are extremely unusual,  LisaL   Aug-02-10 03:09 PM   #57 
     - It's pretty typical for what I see in other elections.  Radical Activist   Aug-02-10 03:31 PM   #70 
        - Al Green  onpatrol98   Aug-03-10 04:05 AM   #135 
        - I might agree if it were not for other strange events  rbrnmw   Aug-03-10 11:39 AM   #160 
  - AND THEY GOT AWAY WITH IT.  spanone   Aug-02-10 02:41 PM   #44 
  - cuz the "Democrats" have done zip  upi402   Aug-02-10 02:43 PM   #46 
  - Warning May Cause Blood Pressure Spike and Nausea  rbrnmw   Aug-02-10 02:50 PM   #49 
  - 5 hour computer expert testimony refuted Greene's "election"  upi402   Aug-02-10 02:56 PM   #51 
  - kind of like they are part of the problem  shanti   Aug-02-10 03:21 PM   #66 
  - not one so called "liberal" media person will  rbrnmw   Aug-02-10 02:46 PM   #47 
     - You're right. The inept MSM doesn't care about facts.  AnArmyVeteran   Aug-02-10 03:02 PM   #53 
  - Maybe we can get Honduras to oversee our elections. Or even Afghanistan.  AnArmyVeteran   Aug-02-10 02:58 PM   #52 
  - you read my mind  kag   Aug-02-10 05:20 PM   #92 
     - Purple finger voting would be even better than rigged electronic machines.  AnArmyVeteran   Aug-02-10 06:35 PM   #103 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-02-10 03:04 PM   #55 
  - They see no need to hide the corruption. They know that this administration will continue in its  Greyhound   Aug-02-10 03:13 PM   #59 
  - We can't look backward! Rahm and the DLC says look forward! Saboteurs. (nt)  w4rma   Aug-02-10 05:38 PM   #94 
  - Witness Testimony Presented at Vic Rawl Contest Hearing MUST READ  rbrnmw   Aug-02-10 04:07 PM   #76 
  - People who bother to vote absentee care  Recursion   Aug-02-10 04:22 PM   #78 
  - this post is against the rules  tiny elvis   Aug-02-10 04:26 PM   #79 
  - more  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Aug-02-10 04:29 PM   #80 
  - This has beeen refuted long ago. n/t  Ellipsis   Aug-02-10 07:28 PM   #107 
  - Unverifiable electronic voting turns us into sheep. This is gross beyond belief.  Spheric   Aug-02-10 04:44 PM   #83 
  - I Totally Agree nt  rbrnmw   Aug-02-10 04:47 PM   #84 
  - It was obvious  awnobles   Aug-02-10 04:49 PM   #85 
  - Like I pointed out in another thread  DFW   Aug-02-10 04:52 PM   #86 
  - We need to get behind our Democratic candidate  spiritual_gunfighter   Aug-02-10 04:53 PM   #87 
  - Is this just a weird coincidence? [Dons tin-foil hat]  Hosnon   Aug-02-10 05:44 PM   #95 
  - beyond sick  rbrnmw   Aug-02-10 05:55 PM   #98 
  - The article has both spelllings of the name.  LisaL   Aug-02-10 06:07 PM   #99 
  - good thing that dems have worked tirelessly to ensure that election fraud is impossible..  frylock   Aug-02-10 06:13 PM   #100 
  - oh! Gee! I am so surprised! NOT!  demigoddess   Aug-02-10 06:56 PM   #105 
  - Sorry Kids... this dog don't hunt.  Ellipsis   Aug-02-10 07:39 PM   #110 
  - *blush*  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-02-10 09:44 PM   #117 
  - I'd like to see some actual numbers  hfojvt   Aug-02-10 07:43 PM   #111 
  - you can download them from the website  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-02-10 09:52 PM   #119 
  - Electronic voting theft evidence is not valued in this country unfortunately.  valerief   Aug-02-10 09:07 PM   #114 
  - Paper ballots, hand counted. nt  Viva_La_Revolution   Aug-02-10 09:34 PM   #116 
  - Do you really think the media will touch this  Botany   Aug-02-10 09:48 PM   #118 
  - Yeah 60% to 40%  rbrnmw   Aug-03-10 07:02 AM   #143 
     - it isn't impossible at all  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-03-10 07:23 AM   #145 
  - COuld anyone tell me why somebody would need to run against him to win in SC?  Dark   Aug-02-10 10:06 PM   #123 
  - "what is extraordinarily important is this who will count the votes, and how"  Strelnikov_   Aug-02-10 10:41 PM   #128 
  - what now my love? I think we need to vote via official web registration and have our own copy.  earcandle   Aug-02-10 10:53 PM   #129 
  - My money is on Julian Assange and Wikileaks...Get ready for a release  WheelWalker   Aug-02-10 11:14 PM   #131 
  - THIS IS THE REPUBLICANS....  orbitalman   Aug-02-10 11:43 PM   #133 
  - From all the reports he will be the official candidate, so when I say Alvin you say Greene no,,, ok.  ProgressOnTheMove   Aug-03-10 02:49 AM   #134 
  - The heartless over  Turbineguy   Aug-03-10 05:20 AM   #138 
  - You know what's weird, it's not like DeMint would be losing this election.  LynneSin   Aug-03-10 06:42 AM   #142 
  - Maybe but maybe not SC is sick of being embarrased  rbrnmw   Aug-03-10 07:13 AM   #144 
  - This just means the absentee voters...  Imajika   Aug-03-10 07:28 AM   #146 
  - I mostly agree, but...  OnTheOtherHand   Aug-03-10 07:58 AM   #150 
     - That right they did not dig deep  rbrnmw   Aug-03-10 09:07 AM   #155 
  - It is not like  mercuryblues   Aug-03-10 09:10 AM   #156 

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