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60. I'll believe it if it happens
I'm pretty sure this will be another thread I will bookmark and possibly have to pull up in a few years when it doesn't happen.
Just like the hand-wringing done when we were going to attack Iran in 2004 among oh so many others.

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  -William Greider: President Obama Is Leading The Assault on Social Security Better Believe It  Aug-01-10 09:10 PM   #0 
  - The Nation magazine never really loved him.  Bluebear   Aug-01-10 09:12 PM   #1 
  - Come on...  sendero   Aug-01-10 09:39 PM   #20 
  - Judging by Bluebear's icon, I'm pretty sure that Bluebear is being sarcastically sensible. (nt)  w4rma   Aug-01-10 11:21 PM   #30 
     - And pragmatically sarcastic :)  Bluebear   Aug-01-10 11:26 PM   #32 
     - Oh yes, we need sarcasm and negative insinuations in anything Obama.  bobburgster   Aug-02-10 02:59 PM   #169 
        - No, we need people to tell everyone that everythign negative is a LIE!!!!1  Bluebear   Aug-02-10 03:36 PM   #177 
           - Great response!  bobburgster   Aug-02-10 05:18 PM   #200 
              - LOL  Bluebear   Aug-02-10 06:54 PM   #208 
                 - Why are you so mean to Him?  QC   Aug-02-10 08:44 PM   #214 
                    - I just wanted President Palin!  Bluebear   Aug-02-10 09:23 PM   #220 
     - Sorry I missed...  sendero   Aug-02-10 06:44 AM   #64 
  - What did they want, President Palin???  LostinVA   Aug-02-10 07:35 AM   #69 
  - No I think that the staff at the Nation realizes that for the most part  truedelphi   Aug-02-10 02:49 PM   #168 
     - +1000  DeSwiss   Aug-02-10 05:32 PM   #203 
     - Jerry should just have an eight second ad that goes  paulkienitz   Aug-02-10 06:37 PM   #206 
     - I love your sound byte!  truedelphi   Aug-02-10 06:44 PM   #207 
        - I'm beginning to think that ad would actually be a good idea.  paulkienitz   Aug-04-10 01:53 PM   #241 
     - I couldn't agree more with you opening statement  Larry Ogg   Aug-04-10 07:24 PM   #244 
  - They never loved Al Gore either. They supported nader. See how THAT  Kahuna   Aug-02-10 11:05 AM   #128 
  - The Nation is RALPH NADER!  EFerrari   Aug-02-10 12:07 PM   #140 
  - Oh, no, the rolly eyes of magazine blame lol  Bluebear   Aug-02-10 12:37 PM   #148 
  - Gore won, so it would have worked out fine, if the SC  sabrina 1   Aug-03-10 03:46 PM   #235 
  - I dont fucking like him either  HillbillyBob   Aug-02-10 04:12 PM   #185 
     - Obama has disappointed me in a number of ways  Jackpine Radical   Aug-03-10 02:40 PM   #234 
  - Clinton led the assault on welfare and fair trade- so I'm not sure anyone would be surprised  depakid   Aug-01-10 09:15 PM   #2 
  - Perhaps, but they would have liked to love him if they could.  enough   Aug-01-10 09:16 PM   #3 
  - just sent Barrack a tweet  704wipes   Aug-01-10 09:19 PM   #4 
  - We need a pamphlet we can all download, print up and distribute everywhere.  Jim Sagle   Aug-01-10 09:21 PM   #5 
  - Good idea! Send them your suggestion and maybe some ideas on what should be in it!  Better Believe It   Aug-01-10 09:31 PM   #12 
  - I think they have enough ideas already.  Jim Sagle   Aug-01-10 09:43 PM   #22 
     - But I like yours! A basic, to the point bi-lingual flyer or pamphlet for mass distribution.  Better Believe It   Aug-01-10 09:56 PM   #25 
  - Here's some facts  alberg   Aug-02-10 09:38 AM   #85 
  - Posted it in my facebook page last week.  xxqqqzme   Aug-02-10 12:06 PM   #139 
  - But but but but -- Social Security is an expensive entitlement program that will raise the deficit!  breadandwine   Aug-02-10 02:46 PM   #167 
  - I like this, short and to the point.  bobburgster   Aug-02-10 03:24 PM   #175 
     - Look here for starters.  sulphurdunn   Aug-02-10 03:52 PM   #179 
        - Thanks....I appreciate your help.  bobburgster   Aug-02-10 05:23 PM   #201 
        - Thanks for the links!n/t  Duval   Aug-02-10 05:25 PM   #202 
  - Someone on DU did something similar when Bush was in office.  CrispyQ   Aug-02-10 01:52 PM   #155 
  - He is blatently lying when he calls what Clinton wanted to do partial privatization  dsc   Aug-01-10 09:22 PM   #6 
  - That would have been terrible! I don't want any of our SS money invested in the stock market.  Better Believe It   Aug-01-10 09:25 PM   #7 
  - Ditto - Do that, and no matter what Wall Street says, they do a little bingo, bango, bongo on  closeupready   Aug-02-10 01:57 PM   #156 
  - How is putting tax dollars in the WS casino NOT privatization?  laughingliberal   Aug-01-10 09:29 PM   #10 
  - No it isn't  dsc   Aug-01-10 09:37 PM   #18 
     - It is handing tax dollars over to private business. And it's a disaster. nt  laughingliberal   Aug-01-10 09:44 PM   #24 
     - it is *too* privatization. wtf do you think privatization means?  Hannah Bell   Aug-02-10 02:57 AM   #44 
     - it is defined benefit, as opposed to defined contrabution  dsc   Aug-02-10 03:18 AM   #52 
     - not if they want to steal it  Hannah Bell   Aug-02-10 03:26 AM   #53 
     - My husband's pension had 15% go up Madoff's ass.  eilen   Aug-02-10 07:50 AM   #71 
        - one of the drawbacks of privatized pensions.  Hannah Bell   Aug-02-10 07:51 PM   #209 
     - No "difference" when the funds can be LOST . . . which is what privatization is!!  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 10:26 AM   #104 
     - Actually, Hannah Bell, a portion of the Social Security taxes  JDPriestly   Aug-02-10 12:54 PM   #150 
        - Who gives a fuck what the bible says? Fairy tales should not be the basis for social policy.  Zhade   Aug-06-10 08:20 PM   #249 
     - Remember Enron and CA investments?  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 10:25 AM   #103 
        - This is the ENRONing of Social Security. For sure.  earth mom   Aug-02-10 02:26 PM   #163 
           - "Faith-based" Social Security . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-03-10 11:15 PM   #240 
  - Yes, that's privatization. Face up to the truth.  Jim Sagle   Aug-01-10 09:33 PM   #13 
  - No it isn't  dsc   Aug-01-10 09:38 PM   #19 
     - no, privatization is taking money out of people's checks and then telling them they now have a  Hannah Bell   Aug-02-10 03:05 AM   #45 
     - so the government giving our SS to business is THEFT by taking  Donnachaidh   Aug-02-10 06:29 AM   #62 
     - You see how effectively language creates thoughts/beliefs. We've been told 'privatize'  Greyhound   Aug-02-10 12:26 PM   #145 
        - "We've been told 'privatize' so often for so long that we've effectively confused it with theft."  CrispyQ   Aug-02-10 01:58 PM   #157 
        - I remined ever rpuke i know that brings up privatization  HillbillyBob   Aug-02-10 04:23 PM   #187 
     - Private investment is privatization.  kenfrequed   Aug-02-10 10:08 AM   #93 
     - Chelsea's new job, of course!  Greyhound   Aug-02-10 04:30 PM   #190 
     - I have a 401(K). It's really hard to make investment decisions  JDPriestly   Aug-02-10 01:07 PM   #151 
        - 'That's all it is'. Bingo, Bango, Bongo - we have a winner here, folks.  closeupready   Aug-02-10 02:01 PM   #158 
  - If you hand over public funds to private enitise what might it be called then?  Uncle_Gunnysack   Aug-01-10 11:39 PM   #34 
  - Sharon Angle says it's 'personalizing' SS. Perhaps the poster agrees with her. nt  laughingliberal   Aug-02-10 01:21 AM   #40 
  - "personalizing". well, that's sounds all nice & fluffy, doesn't it.  Hannah Bell   Aug-02-10 03:08 AM   #47 
  - Yes, they've been searching for a new way to frame it  Lasher   Aug-02-10 04:23 PM   #188 
  - No the poster doesn't  dsc   Aug-02-10 03:17 AM   #51 
  - You are aware that many state and public employee plans are having problems now with so much ...  laughingliberal   Aug-02-10 03:02 PM   #171 
  - You never answered my question. That's unsportsmanlike.  Uncle_Gunnysack   Aug-02-10 07:55 PM   #210 
  - Psssttt...yer blowing her cover.  Jim Sagle   Aug-02-10 04:01 PM   #182 
  - Too many Democrats call it "public education." nt  LWolf   Aug-04-10 07:31 PM   #245 
  - And what a fiasco that would have been -- SS $$ in Wall Street -- !!!  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 10:18 AM   #97 
  - Bush wanted to do that also. Imagine if they had succeeded  sabrina 1   Aug-03-10 03:53 PM   #236 
  - I hope the coalition is poised to raise money and run ads about this.  laughingliberal   Aug-01-10 09:26 PM   #8 
  - Oh puh-leeze! Obama ran on a pledge to end Social Security  gratuitous   Aug-01-10 09:28 PM   #9 
  - +1000 nt  laughingliberal   Aug-01-10 09:29 PM   #11 
  - That's right. We just want our Social Security pony.  Jim Sagle   Aug-01-10 09:34 PM   #14 
  - Candidate Obama did not run on a pledge to dismantle Social Security  Better Believe It   Aug-01-10 09:36 PM   #17 
  - legit lols  d_b   Aug-02-10 03:15 AM   #50 
  - Sorry, that's really dumb  treestar   Aug-02-10 08:47 AM   #78 
  - Only to those without eyes to see, lol. nt  LWolf   Aug-02-10 10:50 AM   #118 
     - Its not pragmatic or sensible to have eyes.  bvar22   Aug-02-10 02:20 PM   #161 
        - Brain cells, either. nt  LWolf   Aug-02-10 03:50 PM   #178 
  - lol - yeah, right?  closeupready   Aug-02-10 02:01 PM   #159 
  - rofl  LostinVA   Aug-02-10 03:16 PM   #174 
  - heheh  SammyWinstonJack   Aug-02-10 04:10 PM   #184 
  - :)  Bluebear   Aug-06-10 06:53 PM   #248 
  - Translation: WE be F~~ked no matter who is in office.  BeHereNow   Aug-01-10 09:35 PM   #15 
  - The powers that be won't be happy until we're all eating cat food and living under bridges. nt  earth mom   Aug-02-10 02:28 PM   #164 
  - LOL!  PBS Poll-435   Aug-01-10 09:36 PM   #16 
  - I know where I'm starting. Harry Reid is kicking Angle butt over wanting to destroy SS  laughingliberal   Aug-01-10 09:40 PM   #21 
  - Good suggestion. nt  Enthusiast   Aug-02-10 05:29 AM   #59 
  - William Greider is a liar! The facts are LIES!  JanMichael   Aug-01-10 09:43 PM   #23 
  - "everything has to be on the table."  Kermitt Gribble   Aug-01-10 10:39 PM   #26 
  - Agree -- Obama's re-election in 2012 has to be "ON THE TABLE" . . .!!!  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 10:29 AM   #105 
     - I thought the same thing.  Kermitt Gribble   Aug-02-10 12:01 PM   #137 
        - We went downhill with Clinton, though we had an economy . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-03-10 12:02 AM   #223 
  - I wish this post had been up last night  lbrtbell   Aug-01-10 11:06 PM   #27 
  - Exactly right -  TBF   Aug-02-10 07:50 AM   #72 
  - This NEWS has gotten out very slowly . . . dump the MIC, keep Social Security--!!  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 10:31 AM   #107 
  - K & R  Petrushka   Aug-01-10 11:18 PM   #28 
  - I used to worry a great deal about whatever proposal the Catfood Commission comes up with.  MilesColtrane   Aug-01-10 11:18 PM   #29 
  - they're going to vote on it in lame duck session during the christmas holidays.  Hannah Bell   Aug-02-10 03:07 AM   #46 
     - And they cannot change or amend the proposal in any way  GOTV   Aug-02-10 11:11 AM   #130 
  - One term Obama  Hawkowl   Aug-01-10 11:22 PM   #31 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-02-10 08:00 AM   #73 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-02-10 10:32 AM   #109 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-02-10 11:54 AM   #136 
     - Funny...but so sad  bluethruandthru   Aug-02-10 12:22 PM   #143 
  - i'm pretty sure re-election is not his highest priority.  tomp   Aug-02-10 10:08 AM   #92 
  - That is well phrased  Hawkowl   Aug-02-10 10:21 AM   #102 
  - Completely agree with you -- Obama/DLC agenda is to serve the rich . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 10:33 AM   #110 
  - He once said he didn't worry about being a one term president  dflprincess   Aug-02-10 12:34 PM   #146 
  - He won't be one-term unless  Jakes Progress   Aug-02-10 03:25 PM   #176 
     - True, every word.  SammyWinstonJack   Aug-02-10 04:19 PM   #186 
     - damn..damn..damn..i know it as well..heartbreaking but true..nt  xiamiam   Aug-04-10 02:26 PM   #242 
  - Catfood  Octafish   Aug-01-10 11:29 PM   #33 
  - Gotta say....  blindpig   Aug-02-10 11:39 AM   #132 
  - Are these the same insiders who said Obama would give up on HCR?  Radical Activist   Aug-01-10 11:54 PM   #35 
  - i agree. nt  DesertFlower   Aug-02-10 12:25 AM   #36 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-02-10 12:25 AM   #37 
  - I learned something about the media during the lead up to the Iraq war.  Radical Activist   Aug-02-10 01:07 AM   #38 
     - Should we believe the co-chair of the Cat Food Commision himself?  Spheric   Aug-02-10 03:11 AM   #48 
        - "That's Bullshit." That's what he said about the rumors.  Radical Activist   Aug-02-10 03:37 AM   #54 
           - Let me see if I understand you.  Spheric   Aug-02-10 03:57 AM   #55 
              - No, you don't understand me.  Radical Activist   Aug-02-10 04:20 AM   #56 
              - This is not just some commission making recommendations.  Spheric   Aug-02-10 05:10 AM   #58 
                 - It is not fast tracked for a vote in the Senate.  Lasher   Aug-03-10 01:31 AM   #226 
                    - Thank you for clarifying.  Spheric   Aug-03-10 09:56 AM   #232 
                       - That's OK, somebody else here did the same for me not too long ago.  Lasher   Aug-03-10 03:58 PM   #237 
              - You understand him well.  Jim Sagle   Aug-03-10 02:01 AM   #227 
  - No. Just the ones who said he'd sell out the public option.  laughingliberal   Aug-02-10 01:18 AM   #39 
  - +1000  harun   Aug-02-10 09:05 AM   #79 
  - 1000% --  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 10:36 AM   #112 
  - you already know what he is going to do although it is hard to admit  xiamiam   Aug-04-10 02:29 PM   #243 
  - He did give up on HCR. He made in an Insurance profiteering scheme instead. nt  Lorien   Aug-02-10 02:27 AM   #41 
  - +1 Exactly. /nt  Spheric   Aug-02-10 03:12 AM   #49 
  - If it's as bad as the Health Insurance Industry and Big Pharma Protection Act we are in big trouble.  Better Believe It   Aug-02-10 08:24 AM   #74 
  - In case you didn't notice ---  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-02-10 10:18 AM   #98 
  - precisely. thanks for making that point.  inna   Aug-03-10 08:37 AM   #231 
  - Probably the same insiders...  kenfrequed   Aug-02-10 10:20 AM   #100 
  - How they handle your last two questions will be telling.  CrispyQ   Aug-02-10 02:06 PM   #160 
  - Actually, Obama took HCR and stomped it into the ground . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 10:34 AM   #111 
  - Just because he calls the insurance bailout HCR  dflprincess   Aug-02-10 12:36 PM   #147 
  - Greider under the bus!  Hannah Bell   Aug-02-10 02:54 AM   #42 
  - It took a Republican to go to China.  JoseGaspar   Aug-02-10 02:54 AM   #43 
  - Yep, so tiring and transparent-  Poboy   Aug-02-10 09:41 AM   #86 
  - Social Security is running a surplus.  burnsei sensei   Aug-02-10 04:46 AM   #57 
  - I'll believe it if it happens  OKNancy   Aug-02-10 05:44 AM   #60 
  - And if you sit around and do nothing to stop it, what will you write when it happens?  Better Believe It   Aug-02-10 08:27 AM   #75 
  - Governor Ed Rendell made it  Enthusiast   Aug-02-10 06:07 AM   #61 
  - Calling Social Security an "entitlement" is another bit of rw propaganda . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 10:39 AM   #113 
     - Of course it is.  Enthusiast   Aug-02-10 12:08 PM   #141 
        - Thing that really irks me is that Seniors aren't UNITED in any way . . . excluding AARP -  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 04:25 PM   #189 
           - We have to pound the same pavement.  Enthusiast   Aug-03-10 02:12 AM   #228 
  - K & R  AzDar   Aug-02-10 06:43 AM   #63 
  - William Greider never really loved him!  QC   Aug-02-10 06:46 AM   #65 
  - That makes me want to cry...literally.  BrklynLiberal   Aug-02-10 07:05 AM   #66 
  - Thanks for posting this article.  fasttense   Aug-02-10 07:18 AM   #67 
  - Erskine "Free Trade - I Heart NAFTA" Bowles makes me sick.  paparush   Aug-02-10 07:33 AM   #68 
  - Kinda makes a person wonder why this person would have been appointed to such a position  depakid   Aug-02-10 10:00 AM   #88 
  - Guess Obama would be surprised to find FOXES in charge of the chicken coop????  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 10:40 AM   #114 
  - As a North Carolinian, Bowles makes me furious.  paparush   Aug-03-10 08:05 AM   #229 
  - This used to be  90-percent   Aug-02-10 07:36 AM   #70 
  - That's it - I'm done! Fuck Obama and the rest of his corporatists. He's lost me forever.  williesgirl   Aug-02-10 08:45 AM   #76 
  - PLEASE . . . unite with other liberals/progressives and let's do something ... don't give up!!  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 10:41 AM   #115 
  - what this the 20th or 30th time you have "given" up?  whistler162   Aug-02-10 03:55 PM   #180 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-02-10 08:46 AM   #77 
  - +1000% -- "let's cut Jesus's social security to pay for war" -- !!  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 10:42 AM   #116 
  - I would stop participating in anything that smells like a Social Security replacement program NOW.  earcandle   Aug-02-10 09:06 AM   #80 
  - Also, read the news with a critical eye. This are lying fucks out to undermine our trust in our own  earcandle   Aug-02-10 09:08 AM   #81 
  - Critical Eye  90-percent   Aug-02-10 09:18 AM   #83 
  - There's not a single, solid fact in this article to support the author's assertion.  quiet.american   Aug-02-10 09:15 AM   #82 
  - There are tons of facts listed throughout the thread  depakid   Aug-02-10 10:02 AM   #89 
  - I see lots of snark and wild-eyed speculation and no facts to support Greider's fearmongering.  quiet.american   Aug-02-10 10:16 AM   #95 
  - We know . . . Wm. Greider "wants a pony" -- and doesn't get the "Chess game" -- !!!  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 10:46 AM   #117 
     - What nonsense. nt  quiet.american   Aug-02-10 10:51 AM   #119 
        - Perhaps you're starting to recognize that the "pony" arguments are nonsense ...???  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 10:56 AM   #122 
           - My repsonse was specifically in reply to yours. Thought that was clear enough. nt  quiet.american   Aug-02-10 10:57 AM   #123 
              - OK -- evidently the "pony" message isn't getting thru to those using it?  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 11:01 AM   #125 
                 - Where did I use it? nt  quiet.american   Aug-02-10 11:11 AM   #131 
                    - Where did you produce any info counter to Wm. Greider's article?  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 11:43 AM   #133 
                       - Where did I use the arguments you attribute to me?  quiet.american   Aug-02-10 12:15 PM   #142 
                          - First, Seniors did NOT get a $250 check . . . and they did not either get COLA increases . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 04:40 PM   #195 
                             - Really? Then what was that my mom cashed? Hint: it wasn't a coupon.  quiet.american   Aug-02-10 04:57 PM   #198 
                                - Understand what you're saying... $250 vs No COLAS ...didn't happen as far as I'm aware ....  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 08:13 PM   #212 
                                   - Understand what you're reading. Here:  quiet.american   Aug-02-10 08:46 PM   #215 
                                      - My apologies if this actually happened -- I hope it did -- !!  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 11:52 PM   #222 
  - Know what I notice? All these people talking about cutting SS benefits  RaleighNCDUer   Aug-02-10 09:28 AM   #84 
  - ++++++  Bluebear   Aug-02-10 09:45 AM   #87 
  - The oligarchs work for the oligarchs, not us.  Karmadillo   Aug-02-10 10:05 AM   #91 
  - But see? That just makes them disinterested impartial judges of what's best for the nation!  kenny blankenship   Aug-02-10 01:15 PM   #152 
  - K&R!  Poboy   Aug-02-10 10:05 AM   #90 
  - Congress refused to create this Panel -- Obama did it by Executive Order . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 10:12 AM   #94 
  - The *Republicans* in Congress refused to allow it to be created. nt  quiet.american   Aug-02-10 10:17 AM   #96 
  - You're saying that the Democrats were in favor of this panel . . . ???  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 10:21 AM   #101 
     - Do you understand we're a debtor nation?  quiet.american   Aug-02-10 10:32 AM   #108 
        - Do you understand WHY we're a debtor nation . . . ?? Start with wars bankrupting Treasury . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 10:52 AM   #120 
        - Where are the facts to back up Greider's fearmongering.  quiet.american   Aug-02-10 10:56 AM   #121 
           - OK -- so YOU are in favor of the Panel and cutting Social Security --  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 11:00 AM   #124 
              - This conversation shows me in real time the thought processes of people who take Greider seriously.  quiet.american   Aug-02-10 11:10 AM   #129 
                 - This conversation ...  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 11:45 AM   #134 
                 - Unreal.  inna   Aug-03-10 08:32 AM   #230 
        - DO you understand that SS has nothing whatsoever to do with our debt? n/t  Greyhound   Aug-02-10 04:33 PM   #191 
        - you're YOU smoking? SS doesn't add to the deficit and cutting it won't help the deficit.  nashville_brook   Aug-02-10 05:42 PM   #205 
        - Do you know that this commission is not addressing the actual causes of the deficit..  girl gone mad   Aug-02-10 09:04 PM   #217 
        - The US has been in debt almost every year since the revolution. so what?  Hannah Bell   Aug-02-10 09:19 PM   #219 
  - + !  ooglymoogly   Aug-02-10 11:05 AM   #127 
  - Btw, LOVE Wm. Greider and he's long been one of America's truth-tellers . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-02-10 10:19 AM   #99 
  - This is why we can't have nice things... n/t  Fearless   Aug-02-10 10:30 AM   #106 
  - one article suggested it's a done deal, the commission is just theater  amborin   Aug-02-10 11:02 AM   #126 
  - He's surely not accusing the State Department of being double-dyed hypocrites.  Joe Chi Minh   Aug-02-10 11:48 AM   #135 
  - Our State Department?! Inconceivable.  EFerrari   Aug-02-10 12:05 PM   #138 
  - It's an investment opportunity!  blindpig   Aug-02-10 12:24 PM   #144 
  - How else can they keep Wall Street Profits up and Market High?  KoKo   Aug-02-10 02:43 PM   #166 
  - It's the "sensible" thing to do...if you need to pay for a lost war.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Aug-02-10 12:37 PM   #149 
  - The Playbook  zenprole   Aug-02-10 01:18 PM   #153 
  - I want to know what the definition of "problem" and "solvency" is.  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-02-10 01:23 PM   #154 
  - Opinion does not equal fact  SpartanDem   Aug-02-10 02:22 PM   #162 
  - Top 5 Myths Regarding Social Security  SugarShack   Aug-02-10 02:29 PM   #165 
  - This is total crap!  h9socialist   Aug-02-10 03:00 PM   #170 
  - Well, just for fun, I'll bookmark this and we'll see how much 'crap' it is come December. nt  laughingliberal   Aug-02-10 03:05 PM   #172 
  - Better to have Democrats cut Social Security?! Are you fucking kidding me?!  earth mom   Aug-02-10 03:16 PM   #173 
  - Better to have my mother shoot me in the head?  Lasher   Aug-02-10 04:36 PM   #193 
  - The prez should be ashamed of himself...  polichick   Aug-02-10 03:55 PM   #181 
  - +1000!  SammyWinstonJack   Aug-02-10 04:39 PM   #194 
  - Well my measly ssd check is all I have to live on  HillbillyBob   Aug-02-10 04:07 PM   #183 
  - What's happened is, DLC neoliberals have highjacked the Democratic Party.  Lasher   Aug-02-10 04:34 PM   #192 
  - +1000% -- by now we should be waking up from this nightmare we thought was over!!  defendandprotect   Aug-03-10 12:07 AM   #224 
  - +1  LWolf   Aug-04-10 07:38 PM   #246 
  - Just as it took a "democrat," Bill Clinton, to jam NAFTA, GATT, WTO  Citizen Worker   Aug-02-10 04:40 PM   #196 
  - terrible. -nt  Poboy   Aug-02-10 11:10 PM   #221 
  - +1000% - and we continue to pretend Obama isn't dismantling public education -- !!!  defendandprotect   Aug-03-10 12:12 AM   #225 
  - LEADING?  Proud Liberal Dem   Aug-02-10 04:48 PM   #197 
  - " My suspicion is that the commission will come back with some ideas we don't want to hear"  Better Believe It   Aug-03-10 09:58 AM   #233 
  - "The money will cover all benefits until the 2040sunless Congress double-crosses workers...  WillyT   Aug-02-10 05:01 PM   #199 
  - Ok...  deathrind   Aug-02-10 05:38 PM   #204 
  - 12 out of 12 of Noah Cross' friends agree: he should get custody of his daughter/granddaughter.  Bolo Boffin   Aug-02-10 08:02 PM   #211 
  - Maybe I can invest my retirement in Ponies!  RetroLounge   Aug-02-10 08:41 PM   #213 
  - You might as well gamble it on the ponies  dflprincess   Aug-02-10 08:52 PM   #216 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-02-10 09:14 PM   #218 
  - Seriously, how much more are we suppose to take? n/t  Jefferson23   Aug-03-10 07:23 PM   #238 
  - As much as they can dish out until we organize mass movements to stop them.  Better Believe It   Aug-03-10 08:57 PM   #239 
     - I'm afraid so. n/t  Jefferson23   Aug-04-10 07:41 PM   #247 
  - Should I start taste testing my kitties' food or prepare to become Soylent Green?  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-06-10 08:53 PM   #250 
 

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