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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 05:20 PM
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69. Fascinating.
What does this statement have to do with your original question? How does it square with your original position that if teachers would just teach 1,2,3,A,B,C and kids took 1,2,3,A,B,C multiple choice tests all would be well because it worked for you? It seems fairly obvious from what you've said and how you said it that it didn't work so well for you. :dunce:
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  -Tennessee students' scores plunge as standards changed. madfloridian  Aug-01-10 08:37 PM   #0 
  - I beg to disagree with you on this statement:  femmocrat   Aug-01-10 08:51 PM   #1 
  - Most care. Many are not willing to fight.  madfloridian   Aug-01-10 08:54 PM   #2 
  - Parents SAY they care, but too many do not back up teachers  havocmom   Aug-01-10 09:01 PM   #3 
  - I agree femmocrat.  dotymed   Aug-02-10 09:51 AM   #37 
  - disagree as well - Memphis here  AC_Mem   Aug-02-10 12:47 PM   #49 
  - Same here in Cheatham Cty. nt.  johnaries   Aug-02-10 10:22 PM   #80 
  - Standards are great, but how does one  roody   Aug-04-10 12:35 PM   #85 
  - I am a teacher, and we are complicit in our own demise.  roody   Aug-04-10 12:34 PM   #84 
  - is this the same standard other states use? /nt  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-01-10 09:03 PM   #4 
  - Every state has its own set of standards.  femmocrat   Aug-01-10 09:06 PM   #5 
  - I doubt it. TN got the first RTTT funds. Means obligations.  madfloridian   Aug-01-10 09:07 PM   #6 
     - On the other hand, one has to wonder  pscot   Aug-01-10 09:18 PM   #7 
        - I suppose one way to tell  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-01-10 09:34 PM   #8 
        - The problem is that the only evaluation that counts is ONE test score.  madfloridian   Aug-01-10 10:18 PM   #17 
        - but isn't that valid to some point?  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-02-10 07:35 AM   #32 
        - Well, of course, if that is what you think .  madfloridian   Aug-02-10 09:02 AM   #34 
        - not more shallow ... more precise  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-02-10 04:06 PM   #68 
           - All knowledge is not testable nor is it quantifiable.  madfloridian   Aug-02-10 05:59 PM   #71 
           - mathmatical errors != "human differences" /nt  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-02-10 06:38 PM   #72 
           - What if a child knows but cannot see the scantron  roody   Aug-04-10 12:40 PM   #87 
        - If I've read this correctly, Tennessee has not made a tougher test.  sulphurdunn   Aug-02-10 12:45 PM   #48 
        - How about giving them a page of whole  roody   Aug-04-10 12:41 PM   #88 
        - As a teacher, I would test math by giving kids a  roody   Aug-04-10 12:38 PM   #86 
        - Let me pose this question to you.  Joe Fields   Aug-02-10 12:16 PM   #47 
           - Get back to me...  madfloridian   Aug-02-10 12:49 PM   #50 
           - Are you telling me, unequivicably, that some of these schools  Joe Fields   Aug-02-10 02:04 PM   #59 
              - I have no idea what in the world you are talking about.  madfloridian   Aug-02-10 02:06 PM   #60 
              - WTF? I don't speak in riddles.  Joe Fields   Aug-02-10 03:51 PM   #64 
              - "unequivocally" = minus another 10 points.  Hannah Bell   Aug-02-10 10:04 PM   #76 
           - I think you've answered your own question.  sulphurdunn   Aug-02-10 01:12 PM   #51 
           - Bullshit.  Joe Fields   Aug-02-10 03:54 PM   #66 
              - Fascinating.  sulphurdunn   Aug-02-10 05:20 PM   #69 
                 - LOL!  proud2BlibKansan   Aug-02-10 07:12 PM   #73 
           - "rote". that's -10 points on your test.  Hannah Bell   Aug-02-10 10:03 PM   #75 
        - I grew up as an "Army Brat"  dotymed   Aug-02-10 09:57 AM   #38 
        - Well, hell, let's just assume all schools are failing...  madfloridian   Aug-01-10 09:55 PM   #10 
        - Maybe the schools are failing... or maybe the new test is asinine...  LooseWilly   Aug-02-10 06:20 AM   #31 
        - Follow this page frequently  Kalyke   Aug-02-10 11:54 AM   #45 
  - As a Tennessean, the previous standards were set WAY too  johnaries   Aug-01-10 09:49 PM   #9 
  - Then why did your state get Arne's money and get bragged on by Arne.  madfloridian   Aug-01-10 09:56 PM   #11 
  - Ah, hello, didn't you just post about the "new standards"?  johnaries   Aug-01-10 10:26 PM   #18 
     - Have you read up on value-added testing?  madfloridian   Aug-01-10 10:44 PM   #23 
  - That's what I was wondering about  pscot   Aug-01-10 10:01 PM   #12 
  - That's what I said. Assume all schools are failing, make it quicker.  madfloridian   Aug-01-10 10:05 PM   #14 
     - Well, I don't know how it is in FL, but here in TN we have some  johnaries   Aug-01-10 10:33 PM   #20 
        - but charters aren't "politically motivated". stop, you're killing me.  Hannah Bell   Aug-01-10 10:38 PM   #22 
        - Johnaires didn't say anything about charters.  Kalyke   Aug-02-10 12:00 PM   #46 
           - lol. charters & school takeovers are the proposed solution to school boards.  Hannah Bell   Aug-02-10 10:10 PM   #77 
        - No, to this administration the students are NOT most important.  madfloridian   Aug-01-10 10:45 PM   #24 
        - The kids of Tennessee deserves better  sulphurdunn   Aug-02-10 01:54 PM   #58 
           - Actually, yes they will get better.  johnaries   Aug-02-10 10:19 PM   #79 
              - If things get better  sulphurdunn   Aug-03-10 07:00 PM   #83 
  - If they kept lowering the standards, wouldn't their scores have been higher?  donco6   Aug-02-10 10:29 PM   #81 
  - It is All about CONTROL  roxiejules   Aug-01-10 10:02 PM   #13 
  - Exactly.  Starry Messenger   Aug-01-10 10:09 PM   #15 
  - Exactly. There is no crisis. This is all Reagan-speak...  madfloridian   Aug-01-10 10:15 PM   #16 
  - btw: I really enjoy your journal  roxiejules   Aug-01-10 10:26 PM   #19 
     - Thank you.  madfloridian   Aug-01-10 10:47 PM   #25 
  - And no matter how much better the schools get, there will always be a bottom 5%  proud2BlibKansan   Aug-02-10 05:05 AM   #28 
  - Roxie, thanks for the link. It is very telling!  adnelson60087   Aug-02-10 11:15 AM   #40 
     - Soon the dots will start to connect themselves...  roxiejules   Aug-02-10 01:32 PM   #54 
        - The School for Scandal link is a good one.  madfloridian   Aug-02-10 01:39 PM   #55 
  - these people are fucking locusts. rape & pillage, scorched earth, take no prisoners.  Hannah Bell   Aug-01-10 10:37 PM   #21 
  - Could you explain how Obama's RTTT is to blame for what happened under NCLB?  Radical Activist   Aug-01-10 11:09 PM   #26 
  - ALL the tests are being dumbed down, not just Tennessee  proud2BlibKansan   Aug-02-10 05:14 AM   #29 
  - But the new tests aren't dumbed down  Radical Activist   Aug-02-10 05:36 AM   #30 
     - Oh yes they are  proud2BlibKansan   Aug-02-10 07:38 AM   #33 
        - Yes, they play with numbers to get whatever result they want.  madfloridian   Aug-02-10 09:02 AM   #35 
        - So you agree with Duncan.  Radical Activist   Aug-02-10 01:44 PM   #56 
  - rttt is an extension of nclb. they're not two entirely distinct programs.  Hannah Bell   Aug-02-10 10:13 PM   #78 
  - And the dumbing down continues.  snake in the grass   Aug-02-10 01:45 AM   #27 
  - I'm afraid I don't get your point  ThomWV   Aug-02-10 09:11 AM   #36 
  - Too much reliance on one high-stakes test.  madfloridian   Aug-02-10 10:18 AM   #39 
     - If public schools and teachers were doing a better job,  Joe Fields   Aug-02-10 02:10 PM   #61 
  - Blame teachers? Really?  montanto   Aug-02-10 11:44 AM   #41 
  - Before I retired I tried to point out Jeb's goal to my fellow teachers...  madfloridian   Aug-02-10 11:52 AM   #44 
  - Starve 'em for air and point to their flailing as proof that they are failing  Spike89   Aug-02-10 11:47 AM   #42 
  - My kid passed them - but he's exceptionally smart, so  Kalyke   Aug-02-10 11:51 AM   #43 
  - I can't believe we will willingly turn our children over to these people!  cjbgreen   Aug-02-10 01:22 PM   #52 
  - Follow the money.  Dappleganger   Aug-02-10 01:24 PM   #53 
  - Not just corporations how about a little religion  cjbgreen   Aug-02-10 01:44 PM   #57 
     - Separation of church and state, just an unfortunate phrase.  Dappleganger   Aug-02-10 02:32 PM   #62 
  - Can't get where you are going  One_Life_To_Give   Aug-02-10 03:26 PM   #63 
  - but the tests are online  anigbrowl   Aug-02-10 04:02 PM   #67 
  - Assessment is important!  cjbgreen   Aug-02-10 05:47 PM   #70 
  - Don't worry Tennesee's next Governor will fix it all...  walldude   Aug-02-10 03:54 PM   #65 
  - Hey if he loses ..  cjbgreen   Aug-02-10 09:58 PM   #74 
  - Yes, we hate children. We get it.  SoxFan   Aug-03-10 04:51 PM   #82 
  - If the legislators had to take these tests, or  roody   Aug-04-10 12:48 PM   #89 
  - *Of course* the failure rate increased if the standards were tightened.  woo me with science   Aug-04-10 12:51 PM   #90 
  - Free Ad.............  MyOwnPeace   Aug-05-10 07:49 AM   #91 

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