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Sat Jul-31-10 04:44 PM
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| Judge Orders Rape Survivors to Take Lie-Detection Test |
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http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2010/03/19/judge-orders... / File this under “For Real?!”
Cleveland, Ohio Juvenile Court Judge Alison Floyd is forcing sexual assault survivors to take polygraph tests before their attackers are sentenced. To date, at least four teenage girls have been ordered to do so. All have refused.
According to reports from the Cleveland Plain Dealer, even prosecutors see the problem. Ordering sex crime survivors to undergo polygraph testing exceeds judicial authority over victims, says Assistant County Prosecutor Nicole Ellis.
Plain Dealer reporters Rachel Dissell and Leila Atassi write that Judge Floyd also “ordered the teenage boys who were accused of rape and other sex crimes in those cases to undergo polygraph examinations as part of an assessment done before the teens would be sentenced.” Although the defendants have not objected, this raises procedural concerns about due process for teens in the legal system.
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| -Judge Orders Rape Survivors to Take Lie-Detection Test |
XanaDUer |
Jul-31-10 04:44 PM |
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Despicable. |
laconicsax |
Jul-31-10 04:50 PM |
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You know a lie detector |
rock |
Jul-31-10 04:51 PM |
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yeah, that's kind of an important point |
miscsoc |
Jul-31-10 05:46 PM |
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Actually, they're remarkably hard to beat |
Warpy |
Jul-31-10 06:43 PM |
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Rapists seem a bit like sociopaths to me. nt |
Lucky Luciano |
Jul-31-10 07:07 PM |
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Nonsense. Lie detectors are completely unreliable. |
provis99 |
Jul-31-10 08:44 PM |
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About as remarkably hard as a coin flip |
MajorChode |
Jul-31-10 09:01 PM |
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Not hard to beat |
Brooklyns_Finest |
Aug-01-10 04:29 PM |
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That reminds me of story |
JonLP24 |
Aug-01-10 04:34 PM |
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My buddy is cool as ice |
Brooklyns_Finest |
Aug-01-10 04:47 PM |
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it boggles. |
nosmokes |
Jul-31-10 05:10 PM |
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UPDATE, "Judge Alison Floyd backs away from ordering polygraphs" |
uppityperson |
Jul-31-10 05:13 PM |
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"All have refused." |
Iggo |
Jul-31-10 05:18 PM |
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What do the "victims" have to hide? |
LAGC |
Jul-31-10 05:24 PM |
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The point is polygraphs don't work either way. |
miscsoc |
Jul-31-10 05:50 PM |
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Because polygraph tests are not reliable, which is why they are inadmissible |
myrna minx |
Jul-31-10 05:54 PM |
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Most states use them to gauge sex offenders. |
LAGC |
Jul-31-10 06:02 PM |
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because there's money in horseshit |
pitohui |
Jul-31-10 06:56 PM |
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Well, I fully expect you to start advocating for an end to forced polygraphs for sex offenders then. |
LAGC |
Jul-31-10 06:58 PM |
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This judge backed down from this order. |
uppityperson |
Jul-31-10 06:04 PM |
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Polygraphs are an intimidation tool more than anything else |
jmowreader |
Jul-31-10 06:09 PM |
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Is that true? |
JonLP24 |
Aug-01-10 04:48 PM |
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polygraphs don't work, and victims are already fragile |
pitohui |
Jul-31-10 06:53 PM |
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Badly phrased questions will do anyone in. |
Mariana |
Jul-31-10 07:29 PM |
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The defendants were found delinquent. No quotes necessary. |
Pithlet |
Jul-31-10 08:48 PM |
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Defendants don't have to take polygraph tests |
JonLP24 |
Aug-01-10 04:37 PM |
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The victims' polygraphs were ordered AFTER |
Mariana |
Jul-31-10 05:36 PM |
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Juries find them guilty |
dems_rightnow |
Jul-31-10 05:53 PM |
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These are juveniles. |
Mariana |
Jul-31-10 06:08 PM |
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She needs to be removed from the bench. |
LiberalFighter |
Jul-31-10 05:42 PM |
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Y'know, I could see the value of determining the honesty of both alleged victims and |
Better Today |
Jul-31-10 05:51 PM |
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false accusations do happen |
FooshIt |
Jul-31-10 05:57 PM |
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They do, but would a polygraph honestly be able to tell the difference? |
moriah |
Jul-31-10 06:03 PM |
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Would you have felt better if your accuser was polygraphed |
Mariana |
Jul-31-10 06:17 PM |
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its just hard because the evidence is someones word |
FooshIt |
Jul-31-10 06:35 PM |
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Again, AFTER the guilty verdict? |
Mariana |
Jul-31-10 07:03 PM |
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Even if polygraphs were better than just a hair shy of reading tea leaves.... |
moriah |
Jul-31-10 06:01 PM |
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This happened in April |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jul-31-10 06:03 PM |
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However, no one but us notices SHE RESCINDED THIS ORDER |
uppityperson |
Jul-31-10 06:06 PM |
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So she went to rehab instead of continuing to smoke whatever gave her such poor judgment. |
moriah |
Jul-31-10 06:15 PM |
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Sure, AFTER the victims refused to do it. |
Mariana |
Jul-31-10 06:21 PM |
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I agree. However it makes the OP outdated. Sorry if posting current info upsets you |
uppityperson |
Jul-31-10 06:40 PM |
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I don't disagree |
howaboutme |
Jul-31-10 07:37 PM |
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I can see your point about "he said she said" and false allegations. |
Curmudgeoness |
Jul-31-10 08:59 PM |
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It is not admissible in court because it is not 100% reliable |
Omaha Steve |
Jul-31-10 08:48 PM |
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I was under the impression that lie-detector results are not admissable in court..so what would be . |
BrklynLiberal |
Aug-01-10 04:13 PM |
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Aren't lie detectors inadmissible in court? And if so, how can a judge |
Puregonzo1188 |
Aug-01-10 04:51 PM |
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