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1. President Obama demanded or asked (which is it?)
Rangel to step down?

When?
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  - I would like to know why some Democrats, including President Obama saracat  Jul-31-10 03:01 PM   #0 
  - President Obama demanded or asked (which is it?)  janx   Jul-31-10 03:02 PM   #1 
  - When it comes from the President there is no difference. n/t  Greyhound   Jul-31-10 03:06 PM   #3 
  - There is a huge difference.  Cary   Aug-01-10 05:04 PM   #136 
  - thought, out loud, Rangel should end his career in a "dignified" way -- the message was clear  villager   Jul-31-10 03:07 PM   #4 
     - Context?  janx   Jul-31-10 03:11 PM   #8 
     - Link -- one of many-- right here:  villager   Jul-31-10 03:13 PM   #10 
     - Why should I stay away from headlines? n/t  janx   Jul-31-10 03:18 PM   #17 
     - That's a damn good question.  villager   Jul-31-10 03:21 PM   #21 
        - villager--  janx   Jul-31-10 04:16 PM   #60 
     - This is a bit better than Politico, so thanks.  janx   Jul-31-10 03:43 PM   #41 
     - Here's a link to LBN:  EFerrari   Jul-31-10 03:13 PM   #11 
        - ...which is linked to Ben Stein at Politico...  janx   Jul-31-10 03:17 PM   #15 
        - That's right. The latter is a paraphrase.  EFerrari   Jul-31-10 03:26 PM   #26 
        - There's no way of knowing that since we weren't there.  janx   Jul-31-10 03:33 PM   #31 
           - Yeah. The more info the better. But it looks like an accurate  EFerrari   Jul-31-10 03:38 PM   #34 
              - I'm not fond of Stein's use of loaded language, either.  janx   Jul-31-10 03:52 PM   #46 
              - Oh, I can't stand the guy. But, I'm not comfortable with Obama chiming in  EFerrari   Jul-31-10 03:54 PM   #49 
                 - EFerrari, I think that would have been rather obvious...  janx   Jul-31-10 04:07 PM   #57 
                 - Yeah, I would really want him to.  EFerrari   Jul-31-10 04:13 PM   #59 
                    - Everything is relative, but the allegations being leveled at Rangel  janx   Jul-31-10 05:30 PM   #82 
                       - Really Now  Kalun D   Aug-01-10 11:06 AM   #124 
                       - Similar and documented charges against Geithner,  sabrina 1   Aug-01-10 03:17 PM   #133 
                 - In the real world, it doesn't work like that.  Kahuna   Jul-31-10 07:21 PM   #97 
                    - Maybe in your "real" world. nt  EFerrari   Aug-01-10 02:45 PM   #131 
              - I don't think that paraphrase is accurate at all  hfojvt   Aug-01-10 11:37 PM   #144 
        - Did you mean Ben Smith at Politico?  xocet   Jul-31-10 04:41 PM   #68 
           - Yes--my mistake.  janx   Jul-31-10 05:17 PM   #79 
        - Thanks for the link. n/t  janx   Jul-31-10 03:19 PM   #19 
     - He didn't say Rangel "should" do anything  sandnsea   Jul-31-10 03:18 PM   #16 
        - Are you always this willingly oblivious to political-speak?  villager   Jul-31-10 03:23 PM   #25 
           - I take political words seriously  sandnsea   Jul-31-10 03:39 PM   #35 
              - I wish he'd say the same thing about Republicans politicians then. don't you?  villager   Jul-31-10 03:41 PM   #36 
              - Well he pretty much does  sandnsea   Jul-31-10 03:49 PM   #44 
                 - Well, he's generally not only not hard on them, he's giving them far too much power  villager   Jul-31-10 03:52 PM   #47 
                 - He has NEVER used those kind of words on Vitter or Ensign .  saracat   Jul-31-10 04:51 PM   #73 
                    - He doesn't care about who is diddling whom?  janx   Jul-31-10 05:37 PM   #85 
                    - Ensign is a lot more about payola than "diddling" and if you read , you might be aware of that.  saracat   Jul-31-10 09:11 PM   #105 
                       - +1 nt  laughingliberal   Aug-01-10 12:58 AM   #108 
                    - because they can't retire in dignity, maybe that's why?  Whisp   Jul-31-10 11:13 PM   #106 
                       - Good point!  janx   Aug-01-10 08:46 AM   #117 
              - Except for campaign promises.Those politcal words don't count.  saracat   Jul-31-10 05:01 PM   #74 
                 - Do you even know what's in that?  sandnsea   Jul-31-10 05:24 PM   #81 
  - Good question.  LWolf   Jul-31-10 03:03 PM   #2 
  - I did ... but I did not make that demand on DU ...  JoePhilly   Jul-31-10 05:48 PM   #89 
  - Because he is a Dem. Why should Dems be just as bad as the Rethugs?  Jennicut   Jul-31-10 03:08 PM   #5 
  - The Obama White House just made a blunder trying not to look "as bad", didn't it?  EFerrari   Jul-31-10 03:12 PM   #9 
  - Why are ethics violations okay to begin with?  Jennicut   Jul-31-10 03:15 PM   #12 
     - I don't think ethics violations are okay.  EFerrari   Jul-31-10 03:21 PM   #23 
     - There could well be more, I agree.  janx   Jul-31-10 04:12 PM   #58 
        - When I look at the breakdown of the four issues he's being charged with  EFerrari   Jul-31-10 04:21 PM   #63 
           - He is being charged with 13:  janx   Jul-31-10 04:43 PM   #70 
              - Yes, 13 but they boil down to those four, afaik.  EFerrari   Jul-31-10 04:51 PM   #72 
                 - That's true. Once they've gone through the media wringer,  janx   Jul-31-10 05:03 PM   #76 
     - They're not. So why is Timothy Geithner still a part of  sabrina 1   Jul-31-10 04:42 PM   #69 
     - some will defend Rangel because they see him as a friend  hfojvt   Aug-02-10 12:32 AM   #145 
  - Why should Rethugs always be let off the hook -- especially by Dems?  villager   Jul-31-10 03:16 PM   #13 
  - Vitter was caught in 2004. Dems were not even in charge then. Ensign is still being investigated.  Jennicut   Jul-31-10 03:21 PM   #20 
     - This would be the Vitter still serving as Senator?  villager   Jul-31-10 03:22 PM   #24 
        - Ensign is still being investigated. Vitter was never investigated by the Rethugs.  Jennicut   Jul-31-10 03:26 PM   #27 
           - How is Vitter's investigation by the Dems going? have they called for his resignation?  villager   Jul-31-10 03:35 PM   #32 
  - How about we just hold everybody to the same ethical standards?  rucky   Jul-31-10 04:26 PM   #66 
  - The President neither demanded NOR asked for Rangel to step down  scheming daemons   Jul-31-10 03:09 PM   #6 
  - Exactly. Thanks, saracat.  EFerrari   Jul-31-10 03:10 PM   #7 
  - The mere posing of the question has got unrec fingers a-twitch!  villager   Jul-31-10 03:17 PM   #14 
  - No twitching here.  Bobbie Jo   Jul-31-10 06:21 PM   #95 
  - Quote and Link please n/t  sandnsea   Jul-31-10 03:19 PM   #18 
  - upthread, as you can see  villager   Jul-31-10 03:21 PM   #22 
     - Saw no such thing  sandnsea   Jul-31-10 03:31 PM   #30 
        - Well, people tend to see what they want to see, yes? Mine didn't link to Politico  villager   Jul-31-10 03:36 PM   #33 
           - It started with Politico  sandnsea   Jul-31-10 03:41 PM   #37 
              - The quote in my link -- which you assiduously ignore -- is from the CBS evening news  villager   Jul-31-10 03:46 PM   #43 
                 - Yes, but the misinterpretation, the headline, is from Politico  sandnsea   Jul-31-10 03:57 PM   #50 
                    - Pay more attention, and get off the snark boat, yourself  villager   Jul-31-10 04:05 PM   #55 
                       - The crumbling thesis is that Obama said for Rangel to resign  sandnsea   Jul-31-10 04:20 PM   #62 
                          - Agreed.  janx   Jul-31-10 04:50 PM   #71 
                          - Here:  saracat   Jul-31-10 05:03 PM   #75 
                             - He's sure RANGEL wants to end his career with dignity  sandnsea   Jul-31-10 05:16 PM   #78 
                                - Yeah, sorry, that doesn't do it. He didn't have to say anything about Rangel. He could have said  saracat   Jul-31-10 05:21 PM   #80 
                                   - I don't think the investigation is continuing  sandnsea   Jul-31-10 05:32 PM   #83 
                                   - The GOP is not "the enemy." It is dangerous in the fact that  janx   Jul-31-10 05:43 PM   #86 
                                      - So what are threy? Allies? I'll bet you still think bipartisanship exists too!  saracat   Jul-31-10 09:08 PM   #103 
                                         - False dilemma. n/t  janx   Aug-01-10 08:28 AM   #113 
  - Republicans should take care of their own....as should Dems  Sheepshank   Jul-31-10 03:30 PM   #28 
  - Not many sheep will be shanked, if we keep letting Republicans slide for their crimes  villager   Jul-31-10 03:42 PM   #39 
     - you are discounting the media and the court system  Sheepshank   Jul-31-10 03:52 PM   #45 
        - Yes! *How could I forget the media!* Which holds Republican feet to the fire  villager   Jul-31-10 03:53 PM   #48 
           - The media are not ideological.  janx   Jul-31-10 05:45 PM   #87 
              - And of course, no particular ideology helps them make that money!  villager   Aug-01-10 01:58 AM   #109 
                 - You miss the point entirely. n/t  janx   Aug-01-10 08:31 AM   #114 
                    - And you, apparently, have "missed the media" entirely  villager   Aug-01-10 11:46 AM   #128 
  - The real, honest to God, answer to your question is Halliburton.  EFerrari   Jul-31-10 03:31 PM   #29 
  - link for Obama 'demanding' Rangel to step down. please provide.  Whisp   Jul-31-10 03:42 PM   #38 
  - I don't see it either. n/t  janx   Jul-31-10 03:44 PM   #42 
  - Or the appearance of the OP in this bash thread n/t  sandnsea   Jul-31-10 04:21 PM   #64 
  - Here: Also see post 75  saracat   Jul-31-10 05:11 PM   #77 
  - heheh. you made me laugh. ;)  Whisp   Jul-31-10 09:09 PM   #104 
     - lolsnort  AtomicKitten   Aug-01-10 02:53 PM   #132 
  - According to the OP, the president apparently said, "Resign right now, Charlie..  Kahuna   Jul-31-10 07:29 PM   #99 
     - they way I heard it:  Whisp   Aug-01-10 10:47 AM   #122 
  - Rec'd for asking that question. But  sabrina 1   Jul-31-10 03:42 PM   #40 
  - Rangel votes with "The Left" occasionally.  bvar22   Jul-31-10 03:57 PM   #51 
  - I think Management wants someone in that seat who is more manageable.  EFerrari   Jul-31-10 04:02 PM   #52 
     - Oh Yes.  bvar22   Jul-31-10 04:24 PM   #65 
  - The LOG Syndrome: Lack Of Guts...  AnArmyVeteran   Jul-31-10 04:03 PM   #53 
  - vitter and ensign  Upsideout   Jul-31-10 04:04 PM   #54 
  - Well, not if you're Republican!  villager   Jul-31-10 04:06 PM   #56 
  - Ensign isn't in trouble for his sexual indiscretions but for the  Tansy_Gold   Aug-01-10 09:33 AM   #118 
  - well, how about Stevens and Frist  newspeak   Aug-01-10 11:39 AM   #126 
  - Vichy Dems singing Patriotic Songs  Stinky The Clown   Jul-31-10 04:19 PM   #61 
  - It's starting to look racial now that they are after Rep. Waters too.  deaniac21   Jul-31-10 04:30 PM   #67 
  - Who is after Rep Waters? Who is "they?" And please cite a credible source. nt  Kahuna   Jul-31-10 07:33 PM   #101 
     - Where have you been...  deaniac21   Aug-01-10 12:42 PM   #129 
     - Where have you been...  deaniac21   Aug-01-10 12:42 PM   #130 
        - I spend very little time on DU these days or watching the "news."  Kahuna   Aug-01-10 04:59 PM   #135 
           - U welcome  deaniac21   Aug-02-10 02:39 PM   #146 
  - Obama cow tows to rethugs, repeatedly, starting with the stimulus package  amborin   Jul-31-10 05:32 PM   #84 
  - Dude--  janx   Jul-31-10 05:46 PM   #88 
  - LOL!  amborin   Jul-31-10 06:00 PM   #91 
     - You're welcome.  janx   Jul-31-10 06:17 PM   #94 
  - And I hear he picks his nose too.  Kahuna   Jul-31-10 07:32 PM   #100 
  - Right, like if the President  ProSense   Jul-31-10 05:58 PM   #90 
  - ...and war crimes are okay  RainDog   Jul-31-10 06:01 PM   #92 
  - Unrec for misreading of available information  Hekate   Jul-31-10 06:13 PM   #93 
  - A real response here. President Obama is the head  WonderGrunion   Jul-31-10 07:11 PM   #96 
  - So why didn't Obama go after those that voted for the banks, Big Pharma, etc  IndianaGreen   Aug-01-10 07:14 AM   #112 
  - so we can expect him to ask for Geithners' and Summers' resignations for their Goldman malfeasance.  nashville_brook   Aug-01-10 08:41 AM   #116 
  - When did the president "demand" anything? It is very disingenuous to  Kahuna   Jul-31-10 07:27 PM   #98 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-31-10 07:35 PM   #102 
  - K & R for good question. nm  laughingliberal   Aug-01-10 12:57 AM   #107 
  - Agree  Raine   Aug-01-10 09:10 PM   #140 
  - The NewBlue3rdWayDlcDogs want that committee seat. Ways and Means is the cherry-on-top  Greyhound   Aug-01-10 05:25 AM   #110 
  - Odd they are targeting the African-American members of Congress  IndianaGreen   Aug-01-10 07:13 AM   #111 
  - word. OneUnited Bank asked Waters for help for $12 million in bailout -- Goldman got $12 BILLion  nashville_brook   Aug-01-10 08:39 AM   #115 
     - yeah, it looks like they are going after the black caucus  newspeak   Aug-01-10 11:43 AM   #127 
  - What happened to looking forward and not backward? Or, is this limited to the criminal  Citizen Worker   Aug-01-10 09:55 AM   #119 
  - I'm a little confused.  Cary   Aug-01-10 09:59 AM   #120 
  - I agree. You are a little confused.  laughingliberal   Aug-01-10 10:54 AM   #123 
  - I have NEVER been anything but a Democrat nor claimed to be.  saracat   Aug-01-10 11:34 AM   #125 
     - Interesting  Cary   Aug-01-10 04:53 PM   #134 
        - "radical left" -- seriously. people who want nothing more than what Obama PROMISED, campaigned on  nashville_brook   Aug-01-10 06:19 PM   #137 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-01-10 08:44 PM   #138 
           - Lol. I suppose the irony of this post while accusing others of ad hominems escapes you. Typical. nt  laughingliberal   Aug-01-10 09:17 PM   #141 
        - I have never seen Saracat side with the teabaggers on any issue or take a conservative stand  laughingliberal   Aug-01-10 08:50 PM   #139 
        - I have never aligned myself with tea baggers. Ever. And I am not a team player when it comes to  saracat   Aug-01-10 09:42 PM   #142 
           - Many years ago, my husband's father ran for state Senate here as a Democrat.  laughingliberal   Aug-01-10 11:17 PM   #143 
  - The republiCONS need to go..  butterfly77   Aug-01-10 10:00 AM   #121 
  - I dunno.........We're NOT Republicans?  Proud Liberal Dem   Aug-02-10 02:59 PM   #147 
 

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