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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 09:43 AM
Response to Reply #7
85. I wanted to think
about this, before responding ....because it's worth far more than a simple, "when one door closes, another opens" answer ....even though that is true.

All human beings alive on this Earth today have tribal roots. In fact, rather than view people in terms of "race," it is more accurate and more interesting to view peoples in terms of the Black, Brown, Red, Yellow, and White tribes. Within each, there have been examples of tribal peoples becoming "nation/state" peoples, with common experiences (although the technologies are distinct, the outcome is the same).

Some people are in touch with that part of themselves. Others, as one friend in this thread so perfectly illustrates, are not -- and those who are not almost always strongly resent those who are. At Onondaga, it is understood -- and has been long before the psychiatric sciences -- that people are a combination of good and bad. We all have a good and bad potential. It's what we choose to focus on -- every single day of our lives.

Tribal society, like individuals, does have good and bad potentials. It experiences the most stress when in contact with the negative side of nation/states. There are people like our friend, the clown, who despise all things tribal -- especially human beings who challenge their weak attempts to feel superior.

Our job -- your's, mine, and everyone who wants to change our society for the better, no matter what tribe they are from -- is to be aware of those other doors that open. For small doors often open into large rooms. And that is what you, my wonderful friend, will soon find.
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  -A Sand Creek H2O Man  Jul-28-10 09:45 AM   #0 
  - Beautifully written. Thank you. I am going to contemplate on it now. May respond later.  kgnu_fan   Jul-28-10 10:20 AM   #1 
  - Thank you.  H2O Man   Jul-28-10 10:40 AM   #3 
  - Thank you.  mmonk   Jul-28-10 10:26 AM   #2 
  - Those in DC  H2O Man   Jul-28-10 10:43 AM   #4 
     - And because of those agendas and greed, both of my sons have decided  mmonk   Jul-28-10 10:48 AM   #5 
        - A high school teacher  H2O Man   Jul-28-10 12:36 PM   #11 
  - Thank you  RT Atlanta   Jul-28-10 10:54 AM   #6 
  - Thank you.  H2O Man   Jul-28-10 12:39 PM   #14 
  - Thank you  cilla4progress   Jul-28-10 10:55 AM   #7 
  - I wanted to think  H2O Man   Jul-29-10 09:43 AM   #85 
     - You have no idea...  cilla4progress   Jul-29-10 12:53 PM   #97 
  - Thank you.  zabet   Jul-28-10 11:05 AM   #8 
  - Thank you!  H2O Man   Jul-29-10 09:45 AM   #86 
  - Yes!  voteearlyvoteoften   Jul-28-10 12:32 PM   #9 
  - How did thousands of tribes  Tsiyu   Jul-28-10 12:35 PM   #10 
  - "they knew a lot mroe than we do"  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jul-28-10 12:43 PM   #16 
  - To intelligent DUers:  H2O Man   Jul-28-10 12:45 PM   #18 
  - You can't call yourself intelligent...  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jul-28-10 12:50 PM   #21 
  - I do neither.  H2O Man   Jul-28-10 12:51 PM   #22 
  - You do both.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jul-28-10 12:53 PM   #23 
     - Clown Theater.  H2O Man   Jul-28-10 01:22 PM   #29 
        - No.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jul-28-10 04:52 PM   #40 
           - Nor had I asked  H2O Man   Jul-28-10 06:01 PM   #41 
           - You've frightened my bestest scientismificist friend, H2O Man. For shame!  Joe Chi Minh   Jul-31-10 05:59 PM   #106 
              - Yep.  H2O Man   Jul-31-10 07:18 PM   #116 
                 - As my brother-in-law remarked of a driver on the road ahead, "It's not that he doesn't  Joe Chi Minh   Jul-31-10 07:20 PM   #117 
                    - Very good!  H2O Man   Jul-31-10 07:41 PM   #118 
           - Are you afraid to play the game??  Angry Dragon   Aug-01-10 09:16 AM   #123 
              - Yes. He is.  H2O Man   Aug-01-10 10:14 AM   #124 
  - I have a feeling  bulldogge   Jul-29-10 08:57 AM   #82 
  - Don't worry, H2O Man  Tsiyu   Jul-28-10 01:21 PM   #27 
  - Meh.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jul-28-10 01:22 PM   #28 
     - My dear, you are the historical illiterate  Tsiyu   Jul-28-10 01:34 PM   #30 
        - I once had a DeSoto. Great car.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jul-28-10 04:51 PM   #39 
           - You know what I think, now?  Tsiyu   Jul-28-10 06:12 PM   #44 
              - Right.  H2O Man   Jul-28-10 06:19 PM   #45 
              - I have the same reaction to that theory  Tsiyu   Jul-28-10 06:25 PM   #46 
              - Even were it true, why blame modern people for actions of 18,000 YA ?  eppur_se_muova   Jul-29-10 12:46 AM   #68 
                 - I'm not blaming anybody.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jul-31-10 06:13 PM   #110 
              - I don't think you're thinking much at all.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jul-28-10 09:02 PM   #52 
              - Been out for a bit  Tsiyu   Jul-28-10 09:55 PM   #56 
              - "natives "killed off their horses" is quite the scientific stretch."  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jul-29-10 12:42 AM   #65 
                 - Do you have some guidebook  Tsiyu   Jul-29-10 01:11 AM   #70 
                 - Anthropologically speaking, civilization's overall benefit on the individual is questionable.  antigone382   Jul-31-10 01:15 PM   #104 
                 - "The archeological record shows that human health actually declined "  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jul-31-10 06:12 PM   #109 
                 - The lifespan didn't "skyrocket" following the development of intensive agriculture.  antigone382   Jul-31-10 09:18 PM   #120 
                    - teeth ......  H2O Man   Jul-31-10 10:04 PM   #121 
                 - You're awesome, Kid  Tsiyu   Jul-31-10 07:58 PM   #119 
                 - What sort of a dumb answer is that? To a question he didn't ask? For crying out loud!  Joe Chi Minh   Jul-31-10 06:48 PM   #112 
              - It would take a powerful light to shine into that dark hole  zeemike   Jul-28-10 10:28 PM   #59 
              - Personal attack, but no rebuttal of any of the points.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jul-29-10 12:42 AM   #66 
                 - Not an attack, just an observation.  zeemike   Jul-29-10 06:39 AM   #74 
                    - "do you think I could impart that which I have learned to you? "  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jul-31-10 06:04 PM   #108 
              - Another POV  OxQQme   Jul-28-10 11:06 PM   #62 
                 - New Age spirituality and actual history are two different things.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jul-29-10 12:36 AM   #64 
                    - Oppressor's propaganda and actual history are two different things.  kgnu_fan   Jul-29-10 09:20 AM   #83 
                       - There's that black and white thinking again.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jul-29-10 01:55 PM   #100 
                          - You don't see your own contradiction, do you? Poor thing...  kgnu_fan   Jul-29-10 08:02 PM   #101 
                          - I didn't contradict myself.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jul-31-10 06:03 PM   #107 
                          - No. You're caught in this endless loop of vapid, facile nonsense about black and white.  Joe Chi Minh   Jul-31-10 06:54 PM   #114 
              - If you argue with a cretin, you make two cretins. H2O's original advice was best.  Joe Chi Minh   Jul-31-10 06:38 PM   #111 
  - With the exception of Stinky, of course.  Jackpine Radical   Jul-28-10 09:10 PM   #53 
     - Thanks, JPR  H2O Man   Jul-29-10 09:51 AM   #88 
  - BULLSHIT!  sagetea   Jul-29-10 08:30 AM   #81 
  - They succeeded and we failed because they observed nature and revered it while we fought it.  bobbolink   Jul-28-10 12:46 PM   #20 
     - Exactly  Tsiyu   Jul-28-10 01:17 PM   #25 
     - The corporations not only fight nature, they seek to control, manipulate and master it  Lorien   Jul-29-10 01:44 AM   #72 
  - Impeccable,  bleever   Jul-28-10 12:37 PM   #12 
  - Thank you.  H2O Man   Jul-28-10 02:25 PM   #33 
     - Wonderful...as usual....post , brother Waterman!  JanusAscending   Jul-30-10 03:20 PM   #103 
  - Eloquent, thoughtful, and worth time pondering.  LWolf   Jul-28-10 12:38 PM   #13 
  - Thanks!  H2O Man   Jul-28-10 03:13 PM   #34 
  - K&R. This post is an oasis of calm at DU.  Ignis   Jul-28-10 12:41 PM   #15 
  - I like the thread  H2O Man   Jul-28-10 06:02 PM   #42 
  - From my perspective, it isn't about "understanding". Its about being open to absorbing.  bobbolink   Jul-28-10 12:44 PM   #17 
  - Have a good time  H2O Man   Jul-28-10 06:03 PM   #43 
  - The more I read your post, bobbolink, the more it bowls me over.  Joe Chi Minh   Aug-01-10 08:44 AM   #122 
  - K & R  a la izquierda   Jul-28-10 12:45 PM   #19 
  - Thanks!  H2O Man   Jul-28-10 08:22 PM   #50 
  - Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Jul-28-10 12:59 PM   #24 
  - Thank you!  H2O Man   Jul-28-10 08:22 PM   #51 
  - K&R  SalviaBlue   Jul-28-10 01:21 PM   #26 
  - Thanks!  H2O Man   Jul-29-10 10:11 AM   #93 
  - Peace to us all.  HCE SuiGeneris   Jul-28-10 01:59 PM   #31 
  - Thanks!  H2O Man   Jul-29-10 10:11 AM   #94 
  - Thanks for sharing  Beringia   Jul-28-10 02:05 PM   #32 
  - I'm comfortable  H2O Man   Jul-29-10 01:51 PM   #99 
  - Wonderful  ceile   Jul-28-10 03:27 PM   #35 
  - Thank you  Richard D   Jul-28-10 03:34 PM   #36 
  - In certain contexts, nature has "no mercy" but those same contexts are STILL JUSTICE (important)  Land Shark   Jul-28-10 04:24 PM   #37 
  - 'On another topic, an important distinction, or "dance", is that between  Joe Chi Minh   Jul-31-10 07:06 PM   #115 
  - Beautiful!  Political_Junkie   Jul-28-10 04:45 PM   #38 
  - PEACE back at you.  pwb   Jul-28-10 06:31 PM   #47 
  - k&r....  spanone   Jul-28-10 06:38 PM   #48 
  - Ditto.  BeHereNow   Jul-28-10 06:53 PM   #49 
  - " . . . clean water is the first law of life on earth." Amen. Rec.  bertman   Jul-28-10 09:11 PM   #54 
  - Great piece, friend.  stevedeshazer   Jul-28-10 09:44 PM   #55 
  - Some time spirit moves in an unexpected way. It takes courage to accept it.  kgnu_fan   Jul-28-10 10:05 PM   #57 
  - I knew if you wrote about it it would be good.  zeemike   Jul-28-10 10:17 PM   #58 
  - It is  H2O Man   Jul-28-10 10:37 PM   #60 
     - I know you are right about that.  zeemike   Jul-29-10 07:03 AM   #75 
  - Wow. Just wow.  FourScore   Jul-28-10 11:03 PM   #61 
  - Thank you for this incredible story, FourScore!  Raksha   Jul-29-10 01:17 AM   #71 
     - Thank you, Raksha.  FourScore   Jul-29-10 09:46 AM   #87 
        - I agree  H2O Man   Jul-29-10 09:55 AM   #89 
  - Paul McCartney was honored with the Gershwin award  Beringia   Jul-28-10 11:29 PM   #63 
  - K & R - beautiful post...a lot to think about here.  Raksha   Jul-29-10 12:45 AM   #67 
  - A kick and a rec  GrannyK   Jul-29-10 01:05 AM   #69 
  - K & R  dipsydoodle   Jul-29-10 03:44 AM   #73 
  - That was great! Thank you, H2O Man.  Enthusiast   Jul-29-10 07:30 AM   #76 
  - My nephew,  dgibby   Jul-29-10 07:37 AM   #77 
  - A great story.  zeemike   Jul-29-10 08:07 AM   #79 
  - Thank you.  dgibby   Jul-29-10 08:29 AM   #80 
  - Beautiful. n/t  FourScore   Jul-29-10 09:58 AM   #91 
  - A truly beautiful post  malaise   Jul-29-10 07:40 AM   #78 
  - Big  Me.   Jul-29-10 09:41 AM   #84 
  - "The answer is that you do not allow that to happen in your generation. "  RadiationTherapy   Jul-29-10 09:55 AM   #90 
  - K&R n/t  myrna minx   Jul-29-10 10:09 AM   #92 
  - I just remember the words, but not who said them  bigtree   Jul-29-10 11:23 AM   #95 
  - Great post.  Scurrilous   Jul-29-10 12:52 PM   #96 
  - I'll tell you what's really fun --  cilla4progress   Jul-29-10 01:13 PM   #98 
  - Kick before I got to bed... Peace out!  kgnu_fan   Jul-29-10 10:05 PM   #102 
  - There's no mercy in nature. And there's very much something that people  Joe Chi Minh   Jul-31-10 05:41 PM   #105 
  - I am engrossed in a fascinating book about the Commanche tribe  bertman   Jul-31-10 06:53 PM   #113 
 

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