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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #28
31. The point of all this is to PREVENT this sort of nonsense in the future
Universal Service (IF the executive retains the "right" to aggressive war without formal declaration) is an absolute necessity.

This has nothing to do with "getting back." We have produced an "elite" in this country that feel they can support whatever sort of nonsense they want as long as it brings them PROFIT and costs them no money or blood. A PACIFIST on the other hand can provide USEFUL and MEANINGFUL service to the community and be then held accountable for citizenship.

As to a PERMANENT increase in taxes...why on earth not? If a group (other than a legitimate group of pacifists, example: the Amish) does not participate in the War or Service, then why should they not be taxed for that "privilege?"

I see nothing unfair in this concept.
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  -I submit that if you are of military age it is IMMORAL to support the war and NOT volunteer. Tyler Durden  May-14-07 10:24 AM   #0 
  - Why? I hire a plumber to do my plumbing for me  wtmusic   May-14-07 10:27 AM   #1 
  - Agree  Annces   May-14-07 10:28 AM   #2 
  - Umm no  gravity   May-14-07 10:33 AM   #3 
  - It would be hard to enforce, but I find it entirely reasonable.  Tyler Durden   May-14-07 10:43 AM   #6 
  - I think the whole premise is absurd  gravity   May-14-07 10:58 AM   #18 
     - You are not reading the whole concept...  Tyler Durden   May-14-07 11:03 AM   #19 
        - You are punishing people based on their political views  gravity   May-14-07 11:45 AM   #28 
        - The point of all this is to PREVENT this sort of nonsense in the future  Tyler Durden   May-14-07 11:53 AM   #31 
        - can't seem to find that in the constitution? perhaps we need an amendmenbt  ATK   May-14-07 11:52 AM   #29 
           - NO, you're not reading it right.  Tyler Durden   May-14-07 01:05 PM   #37 
              - What you're proposing then...  colinmom71   May-14-07 01:40 PM   #40 
              - It depends on how you hold "rights" and "responsibilities"  Tyler Durden   May-14-07 02:31 PM   #42 
              - Vote  Thothmes   May-14-07 08:39 PM   #51 
                 - Of course not.  Tyler Durden   May-15-07 05:26 AM   #62 
  - Hypocrisy is immoral.  Bornaginhooligan   May-14-07 10:47 AM   #12 
     - But not illegal and does not disqualify one from having and  pampango   May-14-07 11:03 AM   #20 
        - Nobody mentioned law.  Bornaginhooligan   May-14-07 11:56 AM   #33 
  - As long as we call ourselves a 'democracy' and our nation supports military forces ...  TahitiNut   May-14-07 10:36 AM   #4 
  - We are all free to be hypocrits, including/especially politicians.  pampango   May-14-07 10:41 AM   #5 
  - You can participate in non-lethal issues through TAXES.  Tyler Durden   May-14-07 10:45 AM   #9 
     - Fair enough, but I participate in war by paying taxes, also.  pampango   May-14-07 11:55 AM   #32 
  - I submit your poll is flawed on the basis of  ATK   May-14-07 10:44 AM   #7 
  - Those who WILL serve.  Tyler Durden   May-14-07 10:50 AM   #13 
     - I thought this was a free country where people made their choices  ATK   May-14-07 11:22 AM   #24 
     - I knew Buffy and Tad, Buffy and Tad were friends of mine...  rasputin1952   May-14-07 04:30 PM   #49 
  - Immoral and unworthy, maybe, but you're not suggesting revoking citizenship or voting rights...  porphyrian   May-14-07 10:44 AM   #8 
  - If they can SUPPORT the war, then they HAVE TO SUPPORT THE WAR.  Tyler Durden   May-14-07 10:53 AM   #14 
     - I guess you'll have to clarify what you mean by "support."  porphyrian   May-14-07 11:21 AM   #23 
        - Forcing them is not the issue but just saying, they are immoral  treestar   May-14-07 12:01 PM   #35 
           - I'm for that. Hell, I'll call them traitors. - n/t  porphyrian   May-14-07 12:53 PM   #36 
  - "military age"  Bornaginhooligan   May-14-07 10:46 AM   #10 
  - With universal service, that could top at say 30.  Tyler Durden   May-14-07 10:53 AM   #15 
     - I found this  ProudDad   May-14-07 08:51 PM   #55 
  - A lot of young republicans that supports this war but won't enlist themselves  cat_girl25   May-14-07 10:46 AM   #11 
  - Exactly my point...but here's another solution:  Tyler Durden   May-14-07 10:55 AM   #16 
  - As a member of the Army I wasn't aware of anyone not volunteering.  Zywiec   May-14-07 11:08 AM   #21 
     - Yeah, I can dig that...BUT:  Tyler Durden   May-14-07 11:18 AM   #22 
     - Lawful Orders  Thothmes   May-14-07 08:31 PM   #50 
        - This is true: HOWEVER as we said in the service...  Tyler Durden   May-15-07 05:24 AM   #61 
     - What I was trying to say is since they weren't drafted to go,  cat_girl25   May-14-07 11:25 AM   #26 
     - I submit that enlisted men stung by stop loss or being recalled through IRR are...  BrotherBuzz   May-14-07 11:44 AM   #27 
  - I had a similar conversation with a 34 year old war supporter the  jerryme1   May-14-07 10:55 AM   #17 
  - Yep, I'm sick of big-talkin' do nothings  JNelson6563   May-14-07 11:23 AM   #25 
  - Well, I'm against the war, so am I IMMORAL because I do NOT  Balbus   May-14-07 11:52 AM   #30 
  - NO! (and love the dancers.)  Tyler Durden   May-14-07 11:58 AM   #34 
     - But I'm also for universal healthcare...  Balbus   May-14-07 04:02 PM   #46 
        - Why do people keep dragging this off subject?  Tyler Durden   May-15-07 05:22 AM   #60 
           - It is off the subject, only if you are the "decider" of what the subject is.  pampango   May-15-07 08:41 AM   #67 
              - I DID post the OP narrowly.  Tyler Durden   May-15-07 09:55 AM   #68 
                 - My apologies for the Bushism insult.  pampango   May-15-07 10:02 AM   #70 
                    - Thank you, but this was framed that way for a reason.  Tyler Durden   May-15-07 10:04 AM   #71 
  - Your post fails to give consideration to those who are not physically qualified  slackmaster   May-14-07 01:13 PM   #38 
  - Try a dose of Reality Check.  Tyler Durden   May-14-07 02:40 PM   #43 
     - I'm not proposing anything, just stating an obvious deficiency in your OP  slackmaster   May-14-07 02:54 PM   #44 
        - Sorry, I just felt like I was being politely called an idiot.  Tyler Durden   May-15-07 05:40 AM   #63 
           - I mention it mainly because I fall into that category  slackmaster   May-15-07 08:27 AM   #65 
              - I'm a Navy Vet. n/t  Tyler Durden   May-15-07 08:40 AM   #66 
  - Re the last choice  Jed Dilligan   May-14-07 01:21 PM   #39 
  - I pretty much agree with you  NoPasaran   May-14-07 01:52 PM   #41 
  - I think that there is an element of human nature at work.  pampango   May-14-07 03:34 PM   #45 
  - This Silly Illogical Nonsensical Absurd Irrational Unrealistic Argument Again?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   May-14-07 04:07 PM   #47 
  - What if the children of a chickenhawk are opposed to the war.  madinmaryland   May-14-07 04:19 PM   #48 
  - Agree especially if you're  Raine   May-14-07 08:45 PM   #52 
  - To be precise  Canuckistanian   May-14-07 08:46 PM   #53 
  - Actually, I'd prefer that a military age  ProudDad   May-14-07 08:48 PM   #54 
  - This is a free country. You can support whatever you want  Katzenkavalier   May-14-07 08:53 PM   #56 
  - The right loves to spout  edwardsguy   May-14-07 08:59 PM   #57 
  - My neighbor's son who attends college is a staunch supporter for  B Calm   May-14-07 09:12 PM   #58 
  - Does that include the war in Afghanistan, and previous conflicts like Bosnia?  Freddie Stubbs   May-14-07 09:14 PM   #59 
     - I believe the OP is talking about Operation Iraq Liberation  B Calm   May-15-07 05:46 AM   #64 
        - BINGO, and associate WARS of AGGRESSION. N/T  Tyler Durden   May-15-07 09:56 AM   #69 

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