| -Teachers and Democrats Head for Divorce |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-25-10 11:26 PM |
#0 |
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Chess master. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-25-10 11:27 PM |
#1 |
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chess master..... |
slay |
Jul-25-10 11:53 PM |
#20 |
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Chess is a sexy game. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-26-10 12:02 AM |
#23 |
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How much chess would a woodchuck check if a woodchuck could check chess? nt |
phasma ex machina |
Jul-26-10 12:15 AM |
#28 |
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As long as you are not a peon... |
liberation |
Jul-26-10 06:28 PM |
#281 |
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Healthcare "reform" round 2 |
ibegurpard |
Jul-25-10 11:27 PM |
#2 |
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MTE |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-25-10 11:32 PM |
#5 |
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healthcare reform, education reform, Wall Street reform |
Skittles |
Jul-26-10 12:28 AM |
#35 |
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D House, D Senate, D WH |
Psephos |
Jul-26-10 01:30 AM |
#59 |
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they are pissing it down the drain |
Skittles |
Jul-26-10 01:50 AM |
#62 |
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Yep! |
Ishoutandscream2 |
Jul-26-10 04:10 PM |
#227 |
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Looks like the 2012 disaster! |
BlueJac |
Jul-26-10 04:35 PM |
#238 |
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They're only interested in helping the corporations and those who |
LibDemAlways |
Jul-26-10 08:00 PM |
#305 |
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Lost generation |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jul-25-10 11:30 PM |
#3 |
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Lost civilization. |
Hardrada |
Jul-26-10 12:37 AM |
#40 |
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Nah, we do this stupidity every so often |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jul-26-10 12:44 AM |
#44 |
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But we can't afford another cycle of stupidity. |
Hardrada |
Jul-26-10 02:49 AM |
#71 |
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I agree with you, but unfortunately we are in one of those cycles |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jul-26-10 11:27 AM |
#148 |
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I took latin in school but not enough... trans? |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jul-26-10 12:45 PM |
#179 |
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"Don't you know how stupidly world is governed?" |
Recursion |
Jul-26-10 02:28 PM |
#194 |
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K&R!! |
flyarm |
Jul-25-10 11:31 PM |
#4 |
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The administration feels it can shit on teachers |
Jakes Progress |
Jul-25-10 11:33 PM |
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Reagan got a lot of voted from teachers in 84 |
rpannier |
Jul-25-10 11:44 PM |
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We're not nearly as boxed in as they delude themselves into thinking we are. |
bobbolink |
Jul-26-10 11:54 AM |
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The administration is shit.... |
BlueJac |
Jul-26-10 04:37 PM |
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A lot of them won't.. |
sendero |
Jul-26-10 05:35 PM |
#260 |
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It's not even not voting, |
Jakes Progress |
Jul-27-10 04:09 PM |
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They don't have to vote Repub.... |
Wounded Bear |
Jul-26-10 11:14 PM |
#339 |
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Queue: "Those Teachers need to shut up and vote Democrat!" |
Hydra |
Jul-25-10 11:35 PM |
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And support the president! |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-25-10 11:43 PM |
#10 |
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I am wearing my supporter now......... |
BlueJac |
Jul-26-10 04:38 PM |
#240 |
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LOL!! |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-26-10 10:38 PM |
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Why are they afraid of teacher evals? In every job, there re evals and some make it & some don't. |
napi21 |
Jul-25-10 11:37 PM |
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You think that's the reason they're unhappy with this admin |
rpannier |
Jul-25-10 11:42 PM |
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Please do a bit of research |
ibegurpard |
Jul-25-10 11:44 PM |
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And let the bashing commence! |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-25-10 11:47 PM |
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Bashing? Or strawmen? |
notesdev |
Jul-26-10 12:03 AM |
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But, there's the rub... |
Wednesdays |
Jul-26-10 12:23 AM |
#32 |
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Yes, we need to do that |
notesdev |
Jul-26-10 08:34 AM |
#100 |
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Given how segregation and closure of inner city schools is considered a positive result |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jul-26-10 12:51 PM |
#181 |
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Teacher's Unions are a huge problem, |
sense |
Jul-26-10 08:51 PM |
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Well you have to assume there are problems and the union is resisting addressing them |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-26-10 12:37 AM |
#39 |
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That is why the teachers' unions are being cut out |
notesdev |
Jul-26-10 08:37 AM |
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The 'problem' was falsely identified in the first place back during the Reagan administration |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-26-10 08:57 AM |
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NCLB is bunk |
notesdev |
Jul-26-10 09:59 AM |
#121 |
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Got some data to back up your assumptions? K-12 is run by local school districts which |
John Q. Citizen |
Jul-26-10 09:56 PM |
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And, No Child Left Behind has nothing to do with our current predicament? |
newspeak |
Jul-26-10 10:30 AM |
#125 |
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I believe you are correct |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-26-10 11:13 AM |
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Excellent post. You highlight precisely the problem of these innumerable 'education' threads. |
msanthrope |
Jul-26-10 12:46 AM |
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Teaching is commodity? You mean like Heatlh Care? |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-26-10 01:54 AM |
#63 |
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I agree with you. |
msanthrope |
Jul-26-10 03:23 PM |
#204 |
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IOW, reality = percerption of reality. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Jul-26-10 04:17 PM |
#233 |
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Then we have to change it. |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-26-10 11:35 PM |
#341 |
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Education isn't a commodity. |
wickerwoman |
Jul-26-10 02:18 AM |
#68 |
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Education should not be a commodity. Yet it is. Do you think the |
msanthrope |
Jul-26-10 03:27 PM |
#206 |
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Educational opportunity may have some elements of a commodity, |
wickerwoman |
Jul-26-10 06:02 PM |
#272 |
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excellent post |
Carolina |
Jul-26-10 04:07 PM |
#224 |
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You're taking as "granted' things that are not metaphysically/innately 'true'. |
LooseWilly |
Jul-26-10 02:40 AM |
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Metaphysically? Try reality. n/t |
msanthrope |
Jul-26-10 03:30 PM |
#207 |
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Oh, I'm sorry... presenting evidence to back up what I say- a bad habit from public schools. |
LooseWilly |
Jul-26-10 04:39 PM |
#241 |
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That's false |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-26-10 08:14 AM |
#96 |
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Several posters on the Internets have offered solutions? n/t |
msanthrope |
Jul-26-10 03:36 PM |
#212 |
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Children are not commodities. |
Catshrink |
Jul-26-10 11:27 AM |
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They should not be. But, they are viewed as such. |
msanthrope |
Jul-26-10 03:31 PM |
#209 |
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Getting a foothold into stupidity.. |
sendero |
Jul-26-10 05:38 PM |
#263 |
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Our children and their education is not a "commodity" |
Eyerish |
Jul-26-10 11:29 AM |
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I'm not arguing it's right. |
msanthrope |
Jul-26-10 03:32 PM |
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The woodchuck will hunt you down NT |
Recursion |
Jul-26-10 03:45 PM |
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My neighbors from West Va have a name for that rodent that |
msanthrope |
Jul-26-10 04:12 PM |
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"failed to adapt to the new reality"? shows what you know. the union leadership have been active |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-26-10 02:56 AM |
#73 |
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The teacher's unions are sellouts? |
msanthrope |
Jul-26-10 03:41 PM |
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Bullshit. |
LWolf |
Jul-26-10 10:42 AM |
#127 |
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Agreed LWolf |
erodriguez |
Jul-26-10 09:13 PM |
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Excellent post, notesdev. Teachers can no longer be protected, regardless of ability & performance |
Diane R |
Jul-26-10 11:54 AM |
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I have a novel idea |
arikara |
Jul-26-10 11:08 PM |
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There are plenty of ways to address teachers that are not doing their job |
Hydra |
Jul-25-10 11:52 PM |
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+1 |
Missy Vixen |
Jul-26-10 12:04 AM |
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Well, it was my FATHER who taught me how to read! When I was 3! |
Wednesdays |
Jul-26-10 12:26 AM |
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Some of my favorite people are teachers and librarians |
Missy Vixen |
Jul-26-10 12:40 AM |
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My mom had me reading when I was 3. She was NOT a teacher! |
mentalsolstice |
Jul-26-10 01:28 AM |
#57 |
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That's because teachers are expected to teach from the "Western canon" of literature |
LooseWilly |
Jul-26-10 03:44 AM |
#77 |
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There was no public library in your town? |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-26-10 08:59 AM |
#109 |
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No encouragement from educators |
mentalsolstice |
Jul-26-10 10:08 AM |
#122 |
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And I think that encouragement is a parental responsibility |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-26-10 11:16 AM |
#142 |
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My mother encouraged me to read |
mentalsolstice |
Jul-26-10 12:21 PM |
#172 |
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If you went on to earn those degrees |
Catshrink |
Jul-26-10 12:28 PM |
#176 |
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Uh, no inspiration from my H.S. teachers |
mentalsolstice |
Jul-26-10 01:07 PM |
#184 |
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It was your parents fault |
Jax |
Jul-26-10 04:11 PM |
#229 |
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You are so full of it! |
mentalsolstice |
Jul-26-10 04:39 PM |
#242 |
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You brought the 'well educated, intellectual' crap |
Jax |
Jul-26-10 05:38 PM |
#262 |
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See post #184 |
mentalsolstice |
Jul-26-10 05:48 PM |
#268 |
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I know the feeling. |
Joe Bacon |
Jul-26-10 09:18 PM |
#316 |
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my uncles and aunts only had HS educations & they read widely & deeply, |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-26-10 06:24 PM |
#278 |
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I think I'm being misunderstood here |
mentalsolstice |
Jul-26-10 06:53 PM |
#290 |
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i still have no clue what you're complaining about. you complained there was only a small library & |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-26-10 07:19 PM |
#296 |
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Yeah I read a lot |
mentalsolstice |
Jul-26-10 07:50 PM |
#301 |
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i see, not only did you go to the library & read a lot, your mother had a subscription to the book |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-26-10 10:41 PM |
#328 |
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Perhaps you're very young |
mentalsolstice |
Jul-26-10 11:41 PM |
#342 |
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i'm probably older than you. there was a selection; you didn't have to pick judith kranz; |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-27-10 12:04 AM |
#343 |
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No, I said no HS teacher ever rec'd a book |
mentalsolstice |
Jul-27-10 09:03 AM |
#350 |
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Read this article, about a study on the importance of books in the home to education |
kwassa |
Jul-26-10 11:29 PM |
#340 |
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Never said I didn't have books at home. |
mentalsolstice |
Jul-27-10 09:15 AM |
#351 |
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I'm not disagreeing with you. |
kwassa |
Jul-27-10 09:46 PM |
#359 |
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Same here. |
Joe Bacon |
Jul-26-10 09:19 PM |
#317 |
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yep, exactly what Little Boots did |
newspeak |
Jul-26-10 11:19 AM |
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Because teachers get treated like shit in this country... |
Hippo_Tron |
Jul-25-10 11:53 PM |
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Napi, I agree with you |
SunsetDreams |
Jul-26-10 12:34 AM |
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the firings in dc are just the beginning. another bunch will be fired in the next round, and the |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-26-10 03:04 AM |
#74 |
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+1 |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-26-10 08:17 AM |
#98 |
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Hannah, check this out: |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-26-10 09:01 AM |
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I have experienced all of the above at some point in the last 27 years. |
LWolf |
Jul-26-10 11:30 AM |
#151 |
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not surprised at all. that's one reason no one should be evaluated by any one person or process. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-26-10 11:50 AM |
#158 |
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+2 |
femmocrat |
Jul-26-10 09:29 AM |
#118 |
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+ 10,000!!! Right you are Hannah! eom |
flyarm |
Jul-27-10 12:08 AM |
#344 |
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"Why should the teacher profession be any different than any other job?"- teaching, Taco Bell... |
LooseWilly |
Jul-26-10 03:52 AM |
#78 |
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"on shore" some Indians"? |
SunsetDreams |
Jul-26-10 07:32 AM |
#91 |
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"Students don't get paid to go to school."- no, but in a lot of places they pay to go |
LooseWilly |
Jul-26-10 04:31 PM |
#235 |
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You send your children to school to learn do you make sure they actually do so? |
Raineyb |
Jul-26-10 08:48 AM |
#103 |
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IF I only blamed the teachers YOU |
SunsetDreams |
Jul-26-10 08:58 AM |
#108 |
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Teachers are evaluated all the time. But the decisions to fire are blatantly |
Raineyb |
Jul-26-10 09:18 AM |
#114 |
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Tell me then... |
SunsetDreams |
Jul-26-10 09:34 AM |
#120 |
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You have the competence in education to "evaluate" the evaluators? |
U4ikLefty |
Jul-26-10 02:51 PM |
#195 |
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Most of us get evaluated by people who can't do what we do |
Recursion |
Jul-26-10 03:38 PM |
#214 |
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Are you drunk, or trying to make a point? |
U4ikLefty |
Jul-27-10 11:50 PM |
#360 |
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LOL I hardly said that, now did I? |
SunsetDreams |
Jul-26-10 06:14 PM |
#275 |
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Well I prefer speaking plain and if I think an arugment is short sighted and stupid |
Raineyb |
Jul-26-10 05:40 PM |
#264 |
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Oh well, |
SunsetDreams |
Jul-26-10 06:17 PM |
#276 |
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Considering your head is so far up your ass that you don't listen. I rather doubt it. |
Raineyb |
Jul-27-10 01:52 PM |
#356 |
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DC is a special situation |
Recursion |
Jul-26-10 11:20 AM |
#145 |
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Because we have a process of evaluation that judges the teacher by the student's test taking. |
JVS |
Jul-26-10 01:25 AM |
#56 |
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teachers have always been evaluated. did you think they'd just been left to do whatever |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-26-10 02:53 AM |
#72 |
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The objection is the link of evaluation to test taking |
eridani |
Jul-26-10 03:58 AM |
#79 |
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It is the types and purposes of the evaluations that teachers object to. |
femmocrat |
Jul-26-10 09:24 AM |
#115 |
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if you'd think about if for a moment you'd understand why.... |
mike_c |
Jul-26-10 10:47 AM |
#130 |
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When I was in grade school we exchanged papers to grade all the time. Teachers are stretched thin by |
Erose999 |
Jul-26-10 11:28 AM |
#149 |
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In our school, teachers have 180-200 students |
Catshrink |
Jul-26-10 12:05 PM |
#168 |
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Public school teachers |
sulphurdunn |
Jul-26-10 04:10 PM |
#226 |
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They are not afraid of evaluations. WE are evaluated as much |
roody |
Jul-26-10 05:45 PM |
#267 |
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Technically, that is "Change". n/t |
Wilms |
Jul-25-10 11:46 PM |
#13 |
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Well, it's not like public school teachers and unions are the base of the Democratic Party. |
readmoreoften |
Jul-25-10 11:47 PM |
#14 |
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The base of the Democratic Party is broader than the teacher's union. |
Skidmore |
Jul-26-10 10:42 AM |
#128 |
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teachers' unions are by far the biggest unions in the country, dwarfing all others. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-26-10 04:41 PM |
#243 |
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And not all Dems are union members either. |
Skidmore |
Jul-26-10 06:18 PM |
#277 |
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few dems are union members. that's part of the problem with the party. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-26-10 06:42 PM |
#285 |
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Obama seems to have bought into the idea that inner city schools |
Warpy |
Jul-25-10 11:52 PM |
#17 |
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I was just going to say the same thing..a good friend of mine drives 30 miles |
w8liftinglady |
Jul-26-10 12:01 AM |
#22 |
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Please post this as an OP |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-26-10 12:17 AM |
#29 |
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a blogger had just that experience; he taught in a poor school, where he was, per |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-26-10 03:15 AM |
#75 |
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This. Switch teachers and watch test scores drop. |
knitter4democracy |
Jul-26-10 01:07 PM |
#185 |
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black teachers: fired disproportionately in all these inner-city teacher firings. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-26-10 11:34 AM |
#153 |
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GREAT post. Thank you for saying... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-26-10 11:54 AM |
#161 |
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Liberals and Democrats will also soon be headed for divorce |
slay |
Jul-25-10 11:53 PM |
#18 |
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Says one of the 15% of liberal Democrats who don't approve of Obama. n/t |
BzaDem |
Jul-26-10 12:04 AM |
#26 |
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So... you think the Dems can win if 15% of liberals go another route? |
slay |
Jul-26-10 12:07 AM |
#27 |
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Absolutely. Obama's approval among Democrats exceeds or meets every president since LBJ. |
BzaDem |
Jul-26-10 12:20 AM |
#31 |
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And how has that liberal approval rating helped? |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-26-10 12:33 AM |
#36 |
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I wasn't arguing that the approval rating of a president among Liberal Democrats is correlated with |
BzaDem |
Jul-26-10 12:41 AM |
#42 |
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He's well below 50% in key electoral states that he won in 2008 |
depakid |
Jul-26-10 12:52 AM |
#46 |
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I was talking about the approval rating among liberal Democrats. |
BzaDem |
Jul-26-10 12:53 AM |
#47 |
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If he and the Dems aren't losing their base- then why are we even talking about a repeat |
depakid |
Jul-26-10 01:00 AM |
#49 |
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Because Independents are voting against Democrats 2-1? |
BzaDem |
Jul-26-10 01:17 AM |
#53 |
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Errr... that's only part of it |
depakid |
Jul-26-10 02:16 AM |
#67 |
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from about 90% to about 78%. negatives from 4% to 16%. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-26-10 04:16 AM |
#82 |
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That's just Democrats. Not liberal Democrats. |
BzaDem |
Jul-26-10 05:39 AM |
#85 |
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link to the liberal dem poll? |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-26-10 11:04 AM |
#138 |
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Sure. |
BzaDem |
Jul-26-10 12:23 PM |
#173 |
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You mean the same LBJ that did not run for reelection because he was polling like shit by 68? |
liberation |
Jul-26-10 06:33 PM |
#283 |
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And that'll get em back! |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-26-10 12:20 AM |
#30 |
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There's LOT more than than any 15%! |
depakid |
Jul-26-10 12:43 AM |
#43 |
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Nope. Just 15%. Truth hurts. |
BzaDem |
Jul-26-10 01:19 AM |
#55 |
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but wait- wasn't 80% support the last "agreed on" figure the DLC crowd was touting |
depakid |
Jul-26-10 02:38 AM |
#69 |
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Why don't you just look at the figures yourself. |
BzaDem |
Jul-26-10 03:21 AM |
#76 |
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I've looked at dozens of sets of figures |
depakid |
Jul-26-10 07:56 AM |
#94 |
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other democrats about 10 points less. special pleading. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-26-10 06:49 PM |
#288 |
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Make that two of the 15%... |
LooseWilly |
Jul-26-10 01:04 AM |
#51 |
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i.e., "we don't need you" |
donco6 |
Jul-26-10 01:17 AM |
#54 |
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We're never needed, until we are. |
LooseWilly |
Jul-26-10 05:05 PM |
#253 |
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Why do we keep going back? |
donco6 |
Jul-26-10 06:44 PM |
#286 |
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Why, I guess it should've been obvious... |
LooseWilly |
Jul-26-10 08:10 PM |
#309 |
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K & R nt |
laughingliberal |
Jul-25-10 11:58 PM |
#21 |
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You can't attack a particular voting bloc and expect them to support you, it's that simple |
MadHound |
Jul-26-10 12:26 AM |
#34 |
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Is this blogger speaking for all teachers? |
SunsetDreams |
Jul-26-10 12:36 AM |
#38 |
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No. The blogger is noting public reaction. |
LWolf |
Jul-26-10 10:47 AM |
#131 |
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Maybe not the worst thing in the world |
Ross K |
Jul-26-10 12:56 AM |
#48 |
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In the divorce settlement, I hope the teachers get the kids. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jul-26-10 01:01 AM |
#50 |
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+1 |
Starry Messenger |
Jul-26-10 02:00 AM |
#66 |
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+2 |
femmocrat |
Jul-26-10 09:14 AM |
#113 |
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+3 |
LWolf |
Jul-26-10 11:19 AM |
#144 |
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+4 |
MissDeeds |
Jul-26-10 03:07 PM |
#200 |
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... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-26-10 11:57 AM |
#165 |
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+5! |
Fearless |
Jul-26-10 04:49 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-26-10 01:12 AM |
#52 |
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"finally recognized the stench of a dead party" |
SunsetDreams |
Jul-26-10 01:29 AM |
#58 |
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If you're happy that the Democratic Party has moved toward corporatism |
upi402 |
Jul-26-10 01:37 AM |
#60 |
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The corporatism meme is old |
SunsetDreams |
Jul-26-10 01:44 AM |
#61 |
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Call it old all you want but sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling |
Raineyb |
Jul-26-10 01:58 AM |
#64 |
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I hardly think I am the one doing that. |
SunsetDreams |
Jul-26-10 01:59 AM |
#65 |
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Hmm, I think you *are* doing that. |
LooseWilly |
Jul-26-10 04:04 AM |
#80 |
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Some people think allowing corporations to exist is "corporatist." |
BzaDem |
Jul-26-10 04:15 AM |
#81 |
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Absolutely |
SunsetDreams |
Jul-26-10 05:43 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-26-10 08:55 AM |
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$200 billion a year to corporations as the solution to our corporate health insurance |
mmonk |
Jul-26-10 10:52 AM |
#135 |
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See? You prove my point entirely. |
BzaDem |
Jul-26-10 12:24 PM |
#174 |
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How about allowing something that doesn't run through a corporation |
mmonk |
Jul-26-10 04:43 PM |
#245 |
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The bill provides that 200 billion to corporations... and billions more from workers to corporations |
LooseWilly |
Jul-26-10 04:58 PM |
#252 |
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Food stamp money goes to corporations. Is the food stamp program corporatist? |
BzaDem |
Jul-26-10 11:08 PM |
#335 |
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Your ignorance of what the word means doesn't mean the word has no meaning. |
Raineyb |
Jul-26-10 05:42 PM |
#266 |
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The corporatists health care bill does not have single payer. Therefor, allowing corporations to |
rhett o rick |
Jul-26-10 10:46 PM |
#330 |
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There you go. Any bill that isn't single payer is "corporatist" to you. n/t |
BzaDem |
Jul-26-10 11:12 PM |
#337 |
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Yes. Do you disagree? The corporations made out like bandits with this bill. nm |
rhett o rick |
Jul-27-10 12:10 AM |
#345 |
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Absolutely, without hesitation. |
BzaDem |
Jul-28-10 01:38 AM |
#361 |
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I was discussing the HCR bill not any bill. Your exageration does not help the discussion. |
rhett o rick |
Jul-27-10 02:25 PM |
#357 |
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i notice you dont respond. Is this a hit and run post? nm |
rhett o rick |
Jul-26-10 10:48 PM |
#331 |
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Some people work during the day. n/t |
BzaDem |
Jul-26-10 11:13 PM |
#338 |
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What???? My post was 8:45 west coast time. Whatever man. nm |
rhett o rick |
Jul-27-10 12:11 AM |
#346 |
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Umm... some people work during the day and then do other things at night besides posting? |
BzaDem |
Jul-28-10 01:39 AM |
#362 |
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lol nice try |
SunsetDreams |
Jul-26-10 05:42 AM |
#87 |
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Ok, let me provide some facts to support my assertion... which I'm sure you'll then ignore. |
LooseWilly |
Jul-26-10 05:40 PM |
#265 |
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Of course you don't. But then since you're wrong that's hardly a surprise. |
Raineyb |
Jul-26-10 08:50 AM |
#105 |
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So IOW we have to agree with you or we don't know the truth. |
Cary |
Jul-26-10 05:18 AM |
#83 |
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That meme is directed towards the Left all the time here. |
Forkboy |
Jul-26-10 05:41 AM |
#86 |
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Too bad. |
Cary |
Jul-26-10 10:29 AM |
#123 |
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Ha! |
Catshrink |
Jul-26-10 11:42 AM |
#157 |
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Ignore is a beautiful thing. |
Cary |
Jul-26-10 11:54 AM |
#163 |
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It sure is |
Catshrink |
Jul-26-10 12:05 PM |
#169 |
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and transparent |
Jax |
Jul-26-10 03:57 PM |
#221 |
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No but you can't go about spouting things that are demonstrably false and not expect to be called |
Raineyb |
Jul-26-10 05:37 PM |
#261 |
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"The corporatism meme is old"? |
EFerrari |
Jul-26-10 05:33 AM |
#84 |
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LOL Citizens United? |
SunsetDreams |
Jul-26-10 05:52 AM |
#89 |
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I may be wrong, |
dgibby |
Jul-26-10 07:42 AM |
#92 |
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If that's the case, then it was a 5-4 ruling |
SunsetDreams |
Jul-26-10 07:50 AM |
#93 |
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But now you're just being pragmatic. |
Cary |
Jul-26-10 10:38 AM |
#126 |
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It's too late to be "pragmatic" when the horse is already out of the barn. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jul-26-10 11:04 AM |
#137 |
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Ridiculous. n/t |
Cary |
Jul-26-10 11:53 AM |
#159 |
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Nope. The Democrats did not fight those nominees |
EFerrari |
Jul-26-10 03:00 PM |
#198 |
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If it's so easy and you can do it better, why don't you? |
Cary |
Jul-26-10 03:38 PM |
#213 |
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And none of that is responsive. Plus, you forgot pony. nt |
EFerrari |
Jul-26-10 03:45 PM |
#217 |
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I forgot pony because I told you to put your money where your mouth is? |
Cary |
Jul-26-10 03:48 PM |
#219 |
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The corporatist policies are old. |
JVS |
Jul-26-10 08:36 AM |
#101 |
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Which policies in your view are Corporatist? |
SunsetDreams |
Jul-26-10 08:48 AM |
#104 |
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Old? I guess it depends on how old you are. |
LWolf |
Jul-26-10 10:48 AM |
#132 |
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LOL if I believe it were somehow relevant, |
SunsetDreams |
Jul-26-10 11:56 AM |
#164 |
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I didn't ask. |
LWolf |
Jul-26-10 12:00 PM |
#167 |
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That doesn't qualify in this instance, |
SunsetDreams |
Jul-26-10 12:21 PM |
#171 |
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I so admire your patience. |
Catshrink |
Jul-26-10 12:25 PM |
#175 |
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On some days, anyway. |
LWolf |
Jul-26-10 01:16 PM |
#189 |
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letting "that" continue? what is "that"? the poster is *not* comfortable with letting financial |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-26-10 11:37 AM |
#154 |
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I have no trouble knowing what to tell you. Corporations exist at our priveledge. We allow them to |
rhett o rick |
Jul-26-10 10:50 PM |
#332 |
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Great news for the GOP - they now have the teachers union votes! |
stray cat |
Jul-26-10 07:27 AM |
#90 |
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Actually I expect most teachers will stay home and not vote at all |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-26-10 08:11 AM |
#95 |
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Nothing like shooting yourself in the proverbial |
Skidmore |
Jul-26-10 10:43 AM |
#129 |
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So I guess everything really IS all about them, huh? |
Diane R |
Jul-26-10 11:58 AM |
#166 |
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Politics are local, and local teachers will favor Dems heavily. |
RBInMaine |
Jul-26-10 08:16 AM |
#97 |
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Whistling past the graveyard there, |
MadHound |
Jul-26-10 08:19 AM |
#99 |
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Not to mention the work on the ground in campaigns |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-26-10 09:06 AM |
#111 |
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Yes, many of us worked our butts off for Obama. |
femmocrat |
Jul-26-10 09:27 AM |
#116 |
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I'm pretty much in the same place |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-26-10 11:09 AM |
#139 |
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I believe in strong teacher evaluations, but not at the expense of public schools |
derby378 |
Jul-26-10 09:10 AM |
#112 |
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We all believe in evaluations |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-26-10 09:28 AM |
#117 |
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Then get with the program. |
Joe Fields |
Jul-26-10 10:29 AM |
#124 |
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The evaluations being promoted by the current administration |
LWolf |
Jul-26-10 10:53 AM |
#136 |
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If that is the case, then I would agree. Can you provide examples? |
Joe Fields |
Jul-26-10 12:52 PM |
#182 |
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Of course. |
LWolf |
Jul-26-10 01:16 PM |
#188 |
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Everyone knew Rhee was going to do mass firings before IMPACT even appeared |
Recursion |
Jul-26-10 03:30 PM |
#208 |
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Corrupt because those who advocate using test scores in that way |
LWolf |
Jul-26-10 06:56 PM |
#291 |
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I'm torn here |
Recursion |
Jul-26-10 07:19 PM |
#295 |
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I'm thinking a couple of things. |
LWolf |
Jul-26-10 07:36 PM |
#297 |
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Thank you for that thoughtful post. Let me give one unqualified "Amen" |
Recursion |
Jul-26-10 07:44 PM |
#299 |
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We will have to agree to disagree on nyour statement. |
Joe Fields |
Jul-26-10 04:13 PM |
#232 |
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If it were the teachers taking the standardized test... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-26-10 05:28 PM |
#258 |
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IMO, that's a cop-out. It was that way when my father went to school, |
Joe Fields |
Jul-26-10 06:50 PM |
#289 |
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And your credentials for making that judgement is... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-26-10 07:47 PM |
#300 |
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your wild and extreme statements say a lot about you. |
Joe Fields |
Jul-26-10 09:41 PM |
#321 |
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Wow. Don't I remember both of us supporting... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-26-10 10:25 PM |
#326 |
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No. Using student test scores to evaluate teachers is junk science. nt |
LWolf |
Jul-26-10 07:02 PM |
#293 |
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yes, and as stated above |
newspeak |
Jul-27-10 10:47 AM |
#354 |
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I'm blaming poverty, incarcerated parents, poor attendance, lack of social services, etc |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-26-10 11:39 AM |
#155 |
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they're not getting evaluated on how well they do "what administrators expect of them". |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-26-10 11:41 AM |
#156 |
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that is a given that I felt need not even be mentioned. |
Joe Fields |
Jul-26-10 12:46 PM |
#180 |
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lol. they *do* "cover it". to a fault. your condescension is noted. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-26-10 12:52 PM |
#183 |
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do you even know what the hell you're arguing about? |
Joe Fields |
Jul-26-10 03:18 PM |
#202 |
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That's called narrowing the curriculum. |
Catshrink |
Jul-26-10 01:13 PM |
#187 |
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That is a whole different topic. I am hearing a lot of teachers |
Joe Fields |
Jul-26-10 03:22 PM |
#203 |
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And to hell with doing what's best for the kids! |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-26-10 04:54 PM |
#249 |
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as a teacher, you don't get to make that call. |
Joe Fields |
Jul-26-10 05:15 PM |
#254 |
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Actually, that's my JOB to make that call |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-26-10 08:47 PM |
#311 |
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What about educating children? |
Catshrink |
Jul-26-10 04:57 PM |
#251 |
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If you don't want to play by the rules, then.... |
Joe Fields |
Jul-26-10 05:18 PM |
#257 |
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And you know this by... |
Catshrink |
Jul-26-10 06:07 PM |
#274 |
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I've given standardized tests since... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-26-10 07:55 PM |
#303 |
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You are confusing terms. It is one thing to TEACH... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-26-10 07:52 PM |
#302 |
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a good teacher doesn't "make" a child learn...they inspire them. |
Joe Fields |
Jul-26-10 08:05 PM |
#307 |
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Could you share some examples of what you... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-26-10 08:07 PM |
#308 |
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Yet somehow PRINCIPALS DOING THEIR OWN JOBS BETTER is never a topic, is it? |
WinkyDink |
Jul-26-10 10:50 AM |
#134 |
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A principal's being fired doesn't bring out protestors |
Recursion |
Jul-26-10 11:24 AM |
#146 |
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Probably because it doesn't happen as often. |
knitter4democracy |
Jul-26-10 01:09 PM |
#186 |
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Really? |
Recursion |
Jul-26-10 01:24 PM |
#190 |
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Here are some results from a Google news search of "principal fired" |
Recursion |
Jul-26-10 02:20 PM |
#192 |
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your first link is about a teacher who was fired, not a principal. allegedly for not fraudulently |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-26-10 03:34 PM |
#211 |
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You're right, I misread the first one |
Recursion |
Jul-26-10 03:43 PM |
#216 |
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no need to do anything. no one disputes that principals are sometimes fired. the poster |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-26-10 04:05 PM |
#222 |
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Several groups are less powerful than teachers |
Recursion |
Jul-26-10 04:10 PM |
#228 |
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students are less powerful in some situations, more powerful in others. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-26-10 04:32 PM |
#236 |
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That is not really true. A student can be far more powerful than a teacher. |
madfloridian |
Jul-26-10 05:34 PM |
#259 |
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Everyone knows that secretaries and janitors run the school. |
knitter4democracy |
Jul-26-10 09:42 PM |
#322 |
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Stories about fired principals |
Recursion |
Jul-26-10 04:09 PM |
#225 |
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Principals, in general, have to screw up big-time. |
knitter4democracy |
Jul-26-10 09:38 PM |
#320 |
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Here's my point: A principal's main---MAIN---duty is to EVALUATE TEACHERS. |
WinkyDink |
Jul-26-10 02:56 PM |
#196 |
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recommend -- we will see what happens. nt |
xchrom |
Jul-26-10 09:34 AM |
#119 |
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Not "the Democrats"; "the Obama Administration". Thank you. |
WinkyDink |
Jul-26-10 10:48 AM |
#133 |
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Obama will have to hitch a ride home from the dance after ditching the ones that brung him! |
DailyGrind51 |
Jul-26-10 11:15 AM |
#141 |
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K&R |
amborin |
Jul-26-10 11:31 AM |
#152 |
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hmmm, I disagree - however that may be becasue I am in Texas |
Dragonbreathp9d |
Jul-26-10 12:18 PM |
#170 |
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Yes, I have been in Texas now 7 years and it is like living in another country |
TBF |
Jul-26-10 04:12 PM |
#230 |
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K&R |
Individualist |
Jul-26-10 12:30 PM |
#177 |
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Teachers only direction is to serve students. Every administration for the past 30 years has had |
MichiganVote |
Jul-26-10 12:44 PM |
#178 |
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When did it become ok with our party to bust teachers" unions?? |
madfloridian |
Jul-26-10 02:02 PM |
#191 |
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When some (not all, not most) teachers' unions put job security above everything else |
Recursion |
Jul-26-10 02:24 PM |
#193 |
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In a discussion on "unions", "unions" will be the topic, not some standard pap about the chirrun. |
WinkyDink |
Jul-26-10 02:59 PM |
#197 |
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The topic of that segment was "education" |
Recursion |
Jul-26-10 03:05 PM |
#199 |
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Oh, yeh, like the "reformers" are enamored of the students.. yeh right. |
madfloridian |
Jul-26-10 03:14 PM |
#201 |
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I'm certainly not baiting |
Recursion |
Jul-26-10 03:24 PM |
#205 |
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I will not argue with the propaganda anymore. It's like fighting a cloud... |
madfloridian |
Jul-26-10 05:18 PM |
#256 |
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Any attempt whatsoever, to fire any tenured teacher, is union busting? |
Recursion |
Jul-26-10 05:51 PM |
#269 |
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That's it for me. Deliberate misrepresentation is baiting. |
madfloridian |
Jul-26-10 05:52 PM |
#270 |
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No, no, no. I was giving you a chance to clarify |
Recursion |
Jul-26-10 06:04 PM |
#273 |
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no, you were baiting & throwing straw men. i seriously doubt you're in education. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-26-10 06:27 PM |
#280 |
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It depends |
Recursion |
Jul-26-10 06:49 PM |
#287 |
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I stand with the unions. K and R. (nt) |
Danger Mouse |
Jul-26-10 03:55 PM |
#220 |
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Solidarity with teachers. |
TBF |
Jul-26-10 04:07 PM |
#223 |
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Thank you. nt |
LWolf |
Jul-26-10 07:40 PM |
#298 |
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This stilll shocks me, but maybe they figure they'll make up for it |
Jefferson23 |
Jul-26-10 04:19 PM |
#234 |
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I expected better from the Democrats. |
John Agar |
Jul-26-10 04:35 PM |
#237 |
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Thank you. nt |
LWolf |
Jul-26-10 07:12 PM |
#294 |
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Welcome to DU |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-26-10 10:54 PM |
#334 |
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Thank you proud2B. |
John Agar |
Jul-27-10 07:09 AM |
#349 |
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I don't understand why we can't work toward really good public schools. |
Vinca |
Jul-26-10 04:42 PM |
#244 |
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my question exactly |
ibegurpard |
Jul-26-10 04:51 PM |
#248 |
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yes, everything must. They're been privatizing public functions for 30 years. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-26-10 06:31 PM |
#282 |
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Yes, the magic invisible hand of the market will make things better |
liberation |
Jul-26-10 06:36 PM |
#284 |
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Hmm... if only SOMEONE could've seen this coming... |
Fearless |
Jul-26-10 04:48 PM |
#246 |
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This independent will ALWAYS vote with the teachers. |
Dappleganger |
Jul-26-10 04:55 PM |
#250 |
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Perhaps, but they certainly are not running to dark side. |
VPStoltz |
Jul-26-10 05:17 PM |
#255 |
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YAWN... |
ConservativeDemocrat |
Jul-26-10 05:55 PM |
#271 |
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"Haters gonna hate" - what a stupid response. nt |
Bluebear |
Jul-26-10 09:21 PM |
#318 |
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Like I said. N/T |
ConservativeDemocrat |
Jul-27-10 01:38 PM |
#355 |
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HCR will lay off thousands of angry teachers |
Raggz |
Jul-26-10 06:25 PM |
#279 |
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The union busting and privatization continues. :( n/t |
pleah |
Jul-26-10 06:59 PM |
#292 |
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+1 |
Bozita |
Jul-26-10 10:23 PM |
#325 |
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I'm sure you can get the GOP to repeal any of the changes Obama makes... |
Historic NY |
Jul-26-10 07:56 PM |
#304 |
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Well good luck with a Republican Administration |
AllTooEasy |
Jul-26-10 08:04 PM |
#306 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-26-10 08:41 PM |
#310 |
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Teachers under the bus... |
JoseGaspar |
Jul-26-10 08:55 PM |
#313 |
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Yup. It's Fuckin' Crowded Under Here Too (nt) |
Dinger |
Jul-26-10 09:59 PM |
#324 |
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K&R n/t |
DeSwiss |
Jul-26-10 08:55 PM |
#314 |
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Big Leaks In The Umbrella |
colsohlibgal |
Jul-26-10 09:31 PM |
#319 |
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And this is a threat to democracy no matter which party |
Hardrada |
Jul-27-10 12:50 AM |
#348 |
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The DLC Democrats are corporatists and not supportive of unions or the working class. nm |
rhett o rick |
Jul-26-10 10:44 PM |
#329 |
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Good |
Oilwellian |
Jul-26-10 10:51 PM |
#333 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-27-10 12:47 AM |
#347 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-27-10 09:19 AM |
#352 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-27-10 09:29 AM |
#353 |