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133. Not "the Democrats"; "the Obama Administration". Thank you.
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  -Teachers and Democrats Head for Divorce proud2BlibKansan  Jul-25-10 11:26 PM   #0 
  - Chess master. nt  ZombieHorde   Jul-25-10 11:27 PM   #1 
  - chess master.....  slay   Jul-25-10 11:53 PM   #20 
     - Chess is a sexy game. nt  ZombieHorde   Jul-26-10 12:02 AM   #23 
        - How much chess would a woodchuck check if a woodchuck could check chess? nt  phasma ex machina   Jul-26-10 12:15 AM   #28 
        - As long as you are not a peon...  liberation   Jul-26-10 06:28 PM   #281 
  - Healthcare "reform" round 2  ibegurpard   Jul-25-10 11:27 PM   #2 
  - MTE  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-25-10 11:32 PM   #5 
  - healthcare reform, education reform, Wall Street reform  Skittles   Jul-26-10 12:28 AM   #35 
     - D House, D Senate, D WH  Psephos   Jul-26-10 01:30 AM   #59 
        - they are pissing it down the drain  Skittles   Jul-26-10 01:50 AM   #62 
        - Yep!  Ishoutandscream2   Jul-26-10 04:10 PM   #227 
        - Looks like the 2012 disaster!  BlueJac   Jul-26-10 04:35 PM   #238 
        - They're only interested in helping the corporations and those who  LibDemAlways   Jul-26-10 08:00 PM   #305 
  - Lost generation  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-25-10 11:30 PM   #3 
  - Lost civilization.  Hardrada   Jul-26-10 12:37 AM   #40 
     - Nah, we do this stupidity every so often  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-26-10 12:44 AM   #44 
        - But we can't afford another cycle of stupidity.  Hardrada   Jul-26-10 02:49 AM   #71 
           - I agree with you, but unfortunately we are in one of those cycles  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-26-10 11:27 AM   #148 
           - I took latin in school but not enough... trans?  Leopolds Ghost   Jul-26-10 12:45 PM   #179 
              - "Don't you know how stupidly world is governed?"  Recursion   Jul-26-10 02:28 PM   #194 
  - K&R!!  flyarm   Jul-25-10 11:31 PM   #4 
  - The administration feels it can shit on teachers  Jakes Progress   Jul-25-10 11:33 PM   #6 
  - Reagan got a lot of voted from teachers in 84  rpannier   Jul-25-10 11:44 PM   #12 
  - We're not nearly as boxed in as they delude themselves into thinking we are.  bobbolink   Jul-26-10 11:54 AM   #160 
  - The administration is shit....  BlueJac   Jul-26-10 04:37 PM   #239 
  - A lot of them won't..  sendero   Jul-26-10 05:35 PM   #260 
  - It's not even not voting,  Jakes Progress   Jul-27-10 04:09 PM   #358 
  - They don't have to vote Repub....  Wounded Bear   Jul-26-10 11:14 PM   #339 
  - Queue: "Those Teachers need to shut up and vote Democrat!"  Hydra   Jul-25-10 11:35 PM   #7 
  - And support the president!  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-25-10 11:43 PM   #10 
     - I am wearing my supporter now.........  BlueJac   Jul-26-10 04:38 PM   #240 
        - LOL!!  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-26-10 10:38 PM   #327 
  - Why are they afraid of teacher evals? In every job, there re evals and some make it & some don't.  napi21   Jul-25-10 11:37 PM   #8 
  - You think that's the reason they're unhappy with this admin  rpannier   Jul-25-10 11:42 PM   #9 
  - Please do a bit of research  ibegurpard   Jul-25-10 11:44 PM   #11 
  - And let the bashing commence!  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-25-10 11:47 PM   #15 
  - Bashing? Or strawmen?  notesdev   Jul-26-10 12:03 AM   #24 
     - But, there's the rub...  Wednesdays   Jul-26-10 12:23 AM   #32 
     - Yes, we need to do that  notesdev   Jul-26-10 08:34 AM   #100 
     - Given how segregation and closure of inner city schools is considered a positive result  Leopolds Ghost   Jul-26-10 12:51 PM   #181 
     - Teacher's Unions are a huge problem,  sense   Jul-26-10 08:51 PM   #312 
     - Well you have to assume there are problems and the union is resisting addressing them  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-26-10 12:37 AM   #39 
     - That is why the teachers' unions are being cut out  notesdev   Jul-26-10 08:37 AM   #102 
        - The 'problem' was falsely identified in the first place back during the Reagan administration  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-26-10 08:57 AM   #107 
           - NCLB is bunk  notesdev   Jul-26-10 09:59 AM   #121 
           - Got some data to back up your assumptions? K-12 is run by local school districts which  John Q. Citizen   Jul-26-10 09:56 PM   #323 
           - And, No Child Left Behind has nothing to do with our current predicament?  newspeak   Jul-26-10 10:30 AM   #125 
              - I believe you are correct  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-26-10 11:13 AM   #140 
     - Excellent post. You highlight precisely the problem of these innumerable 'education' threads.  msanthrope   Jul-26-10 12:46 AM   #45 
     - Teaching is commodity? You mean like Heatlh Care?  sabrina 1   Jul-26-10 01:54 AM   #63 
     - I agree with you.  msanthrope   Jul-26-10 03:23 PM   #204 
        - IOW, reality = percerption of reality.  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-26-10 04:17 PM   #233 
        - Then we have to change it.  sabrina 1   Jul-26-10 11:35 PM   #341 
     - Education isn't a commodity.  wickerwoman   Jul-26-10 02:18 AM   #68 
     - Education should not be a commodity. Yet it is. Do you think the  msanthrope   Jul-26-10 03:27 PM   #206 
     - Educational opportunity may have some elements of a commodity,  wickerwoman   Jul-26-10 06:02 PM   #272 
     - excellent post  Carolina   Jul-26-10 04:07 PM   #224 
     - You're taking as "granted' things that are not metaphysically/innately 'true'.  LooseWilly   Jul-26-10 02:40 AM   #70 
     - Metaphysically? Try reality. n/t  msanthrope   Jul-26-10 03:30 PM   #207 
        - Oh, I'm sorry... presenting evidence to back up what I say- a bad habit from public schools.  LooseWilly   Jul-26-10 04:39 PM   #241 
     - That's false  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-26-10 08:14 AM   #96 
     - Several posters on the Internets have offered solutions? n/t  msanthrope   Jul-26-10 03:36 PM   #212 
     - Children are not commodities.  Catshrink   Jul-26-10 11:27 AM   #147 
     - They should not be. But, they are viewed as such.  msanthrope   Jul-26-10 03:31 PM   #209 
        - Getting a foothold into stupidity..  sendero   Jul-26-10 05:38 PM   #263 
     - Our children and their education is not a "commodity"  Eyerish   Jul-26-10 11:29 AM   #150 
        - I'm not arguing it's right.  msanthrope   Jul-26-10 03:32 PM   #210 
           - The woodchuck will hunt you down NT  Recursion   Jul-26-10 03:45 PM   #218 
              - My neighbors from West Va have a name for that rodent that  msanthrope   Jul-26-10 04:12 PM   #231 
     - "failed to adapt to the new reality"? shows what you know. the union leadership have been active  Hannah Bell   Jul-26-10 02:56 AM   #73 
     - The teacher's unions are sellouts?  msanthrope   Jul-26-10 03:41 PM   #215 
     - Bullshit.  LWolf   Jul-26-10 10:42 AM   #127 
     - Agreed LWolf  erodriguez   Jul-26-10 09:13 PM   #315 
     - Excellent post, notesdev. Teachers can no longer be protected, regardless of ability & performance  Diane R   Jul-26-10 11:54 AM   #162 
     - I have a novel idea  arikara   Jul-26-10 11:08 PM   #336 
  - There are plenty of ways to address teachers that are not doing their job  Hydra   Jul-25-10 11:52 PM   #16 
  - +1  Missy Vixen   Jul-26-10 12:04 AM   #25 
  - Well, it was my FATHER who taught me how to read! When I was 3!  Wednesdays   Jul-26-10 12:26 AM   #33 
     - Some of my favorite people are teachers and librarians  Missy Vixen   Jul-26-10 12:40 AM   #41 
     - My mom had me reading when I was 3. She was NOT a teacher!  mentalsolstice   Jul-26-10 01:28 AM   #57 
        - That's because teachers are expected to teach from the "Western canon" of literature  LooseWilly   Jul-26-10 03:44 AM   #77 
        - There was no public library in your town?  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-26-10 08:59 AM   #109 
           - No encouragement from educators  mentalsolstice   Jul-26-10 10:08 AM   #122 
              - And I think that encouragement is a parental responsibility  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-26-10 11:16 AM   #142 
              - My mother encouraged me to read  mentalsolstice   Jul-26-10 12:21 PM   #172 
                 - If you went on to earn those degrees  Catshrink   Jul-26-10 12:28 PM   #176 
                 - Uh, no inspiration from my H.S. teachers  mentalsolstice   Jul-26-10 01:07 PM   #184 
                 - It was your parents fault  Jax   Jul-26-10 04:11 PM   #229 
                 - You are so full of it!  mentalsolstice   Jul-26-10 04:39 PM   #242 
                    - You brought the 'well educated, intellectual' crap  Jax   Jul-26-10 05:38 PM   #262 
                    - See post #184  mentalsolstice   Jul-26-10 05:48 PM   #268 
                    - I know the feeling.  Joe Bacon   Jul-26-10 09:18 PM   #316 
                 - my uncles and aunts only had HS educations & they read widely & deeply,  Hannah Bell   Jul-26-10 06:24 PM   #278 
                    - I think I'm being misunderstood here  mentalsolstice   Jul-26-10 06:53 PM   #290 
                       - i still have no clue what you're complaining about. you complained there was only a small library &  Hannah Bell   Jul-26-10 07:19 PM   #296 
                          - Yeah I read a lot  mentalsolstice   Jul-26-10 07:50 PM   #301 
                             - i see, not only did you go to the library & read a lot, your mother had a subscription to the book  Hannah Bell   Jul-26-10 10:41 PM   #328 
                             - Perhaps you're very young  mentalsolstice   Jul-26-10 11:41 PM   #342 
                                - i'm probably older than you. there was a selection; you didn't have to pick judith kranz;  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-10 12:04 AM   #343 
                                   - No, I said no HS teacher ever rec'd a book  mentalsolstice   Jul-27-10 09:03 AM   #350 
                             - Read this article, about a study on the importance of books in the home to education  kwassa   Jul-26-10 11:29 PM   #340 
                                - Never said I didn't have books at home.  mentalsolstice   Jul-27-10 09:15 AM   #351 
                                   - I'm not disagreeing with you.  kwassa   Jul-27-10 09:46 PM   #359 
              - Same here.  Joe Bacon   Jul-26-10 09:19 PM   #317 
  - yep, exactly what Little Boots did  newspeak   Jul-26-10 11:19 AM   #143 
  - Because teachers get treated like shit in this country...  Hippo_Tron   Jul-25-10 11:53 PM   #19 
  - Napi, I agree with you  SunsetDreams   Jul-26-10 12:34 AM   #37 
  - the firings in dc are just the beginning. another bunch will be fired in the next round, and the  Hannah Bell   Jul-26-10 03:04 AM   #74 
  - +1  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-26-10 08:17 AM   #98 
  - Hannah, check this out:  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-26-10 09:01 AM   #110 
  - I have experienced all of the above at some point in the last 27 years.  LWolf   Jul-26-10 11:30 AM   #151 
  - not surprised at all. that's one reason no one should be evaluated by any one person or process.  Hannah Bell   Jul-26-10 11:50 AM   #158 
  - +2  femmocrat   Jul-26-10 09:29 AM   #118 
  - + 10,000!!! Right you are Hannah! eom  flyarm   Jul-27-10 12:08 AM   #344 
  - "Why should the teacher profession be any different than any other job?"- teaching, Taco Bell...  LooseWilly   Jul-26-10 03:52 AM   #78 
  - "on shore" some Indians"?  SunsetDreams   Jul-26-10 07:32 AM   #91 
     - "Students don't get paid to go to school."- no, but in a lot of places they pay to go  LooseWilly   Jul-26-10 04:31 PM   #235 
  - You send your children to school to learn do you make sure they actually do so?  Raineyb   Jul-26-10 08:48 AM   #103 
  - IF I only blamed the teachers YOU  SunsetDreams   Jul-26-10 08:58 AM   #108 
     - Teachers are evaluated all the time. But the decisions to fire are blatantly  Raineyb   Jul-26-10 09:18 AM   #114 
        - Tell me then...  SunsetDreams   Jul-26-10 09:34 AM   #120 
           - You have the competence in education to "evaluate" the evaluators?  U4ikLefty   Jul-26-10 02:51 PM   #195 
           - Most of us get evaluated by people who can't do what we do  Recursion   Jul-26-10 03:38 PM   #214 
           - Are you drunk, or trying to make a point?  U4ikLefty   Jul-27-10 11:50 PM   #360 
           - LOL I hardly said that, now did I?  SunsetDreams   Jul-26-10 06:14 PM   #275 
           - Well I prefer speaking plain and if I think an arugment is short sighted and stupid  Raineyb   Jul-26-10 05:40 PM   #264 
              - Oh well,  SunsetDreams   Jul-26-10 06:17 PM   #276 
                 - Considering your head is so far up your ass that you don't listen. I rather doubt it.  Raineyb   Jul-27-10 01:52 PM   #356 
  - DC is a special situation  Recursion   Jul-26-10 11:20 AM   #145 
  - Because we have a process of evaluation that judges the teacher by the student's test taking.  JVS   Jul-26-10 01:25 AM   #56 
  - teachers have always been evaluated. did you think they'd just been left to do whatever  Hannah Bell   Jul-26-10 02:53 AM   #72 
  - The objection is the link of evaluation to test taking  eridani   Jul-26-10 03:58 AM   #79 
  - It is the types and purposes of the evaluations that teachers object to.  femmocrat   Jul-26-10 09:24 AM   #115 
  - if you'd think about if for a moment you'd understand why....  mike_c   Jul-26-10 10:47 AM   #130 
  - When I was in grade school we exchanged papers to grade all the time. Teachers are stretched thin by  Erose999   Jul-26-10 11:28 AM   #149 
  - In our school, teachers have 180-200 students  Catshrink   Jul-26-10 12:05 PM   #168 
  - Public school teachers  sulphurdunn   Jul-26-10 04:10 PM   #226 
  - They are not afraid of evaluations. WE are evaluated as much  roody   Jul-26-10 05:45 PM   #267 
  - Technically, that is "Change". n/t  Wilms   Jul-25-10 11:46 PM   #13 
  - Well, it's not like public school teachers and unions are the base of the Democratic Party.  readmoreoften   Jul-25-10 11:47 PM   #14 
  - The base of the Democratic Party is broader than the teacher's union.  Skidmore   Jul-26-10 10:42 AM   #128 
     - teachers' unions are by far the biggest unions in the country, dwarfing all others.  Hannah Bell   Jul-26-10 04:41 PM   #243 
        - And not all Dems are union members either.  Skidmore   Jul-26-10 06:18 PM   #277 
           - few dems are union members. that's part of the problem with the party.  Hannah Bell   Jul-26-10 06:42 PM   #285 
  - Obama seems to have bought into the idea that inner city schools  Warpy   Jul-25-10 11:52 PM   #17 
  - I was just going to say the same thing..a good friend of mine drives 30 miles  w8liftinglady   Jul-26-10 12:01 AM   #22 
  - Please post this as an OP  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-26-10 12:17 AM   #29 
  - a blogger had just that experience; he taught in a poor school, where he was, per  Hannah Bell   Jul-26-10 03:15 AM   #75 
  - This. Switch teachers and watch test scores drop.  knitter4democracy   Jul-26-10 01:07 PM   #185 
  - black teachers: fired disproportionately in all these inner-city teacher firings.  Hannah Bell   Jul-26-10 11:34 AM   #153 
  - GREAT post. Thank you for saying...  YvonneCa   Jul-26-10 11:54 AM   #161 
  - Liberals and Democrats will also soon be headed for divorce  slay   Jul-25-10 11:53 PM   #18 
  - Says one of the 15% of liberal Democrats who don't approve of Obama. n/t  BzaDem   Jul-26-10 12:04 AM   #26 
     - So... you think the Dems can win if 15% of liberals go another route?  slay   Jul-26-10 12:07 AM   #27 
     - Absolutely. Obama's approval among Democrats exceeds or meets every president since LBJ.  BzaDem   Jul-26-10 12:20 AM   #31 
        - And how has that liberal approval rating helped?  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-26-10 12:33 AM   #36 
        - I wasn't arguing that the approval rating of a president among Liberal Democrats is correlated with  BzaDem   Jul-26-10 12:41 AM   #42 
        - He's well below 50% in key electoral states that he won in 2008  depakid   Jul-26-10 12:52 AM   #46 
        - I was talking about the approval rating among liberal Democrats.  BzaDem   Jul-26-10 12:53 AM   #47 
           - If he and the Dems aren't losing their base- then why are we even talking about a repeat  depakid   Jul-26-10 01:00 AM   #49 
              - Because Independents are voting against Democrats 2-1?  BzaDem   Jul-26-10 01:17 AM   #53 
                 - Errr... that's only part of it  depakid   Jul-26-10 02:16 AM   #67 
        - from about 90% to about 78%. negatives from 4% to 16%.  Hannah Bell   Jul-26-10 04:16 AM   #82 
        - That's just Democrats. Not liberal Democrats.  BzaDem   Jul-26-10 05:39 AM   #85 
           - link to the liberal dem poll?  Hannah Bell   Jul-26-10 11:04 AM   #138 
              - Sure.  BzaDem   Jul-26-10 12:23 PM   #173 
        - You mean the same LBJ that did not run for reelection because he was polling like shit by 68?  liberation   Jul-26-10 06:33 PM   #283 
     - And that'll get em back!  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-26-10 12:20 AM   #30 
     - There's LOT more than than any 15%!  depakid   Jul-26-10 12:43 AM   #43 
     - Nope. Just 15%. Truth hurts.  BzaDem   Jul-26-10 01:19 AM   #55 
        - but wait- wasn't 80% support the last "agreed on" figure the DLC crowd was touting  depakid   Jul-26-10 02:38 AM   #69 
           - Why don't you just look at the figures yourself.  BzaDem   Jul-26-10 03:21 AM   #76 
              - I've looked at dozens of sets of figures  depakid   Jul-26-10 07:56 AM   #94 
              - other democrats about 10 points less. special pleading.  Hannah Bell   Jul-26-10 06:49 PM   #288 
     - Make that two of the 15%...  LooseWilly   Jul-26-10 01:04 AM   #51 
     - i.e., "we don't need you"  donco6   Jul-26-10 01:17 AM   #54 
        - We're never needed, until we are.  LooseWilly   Jul-26-10 05:05 PM   #253 
           - Why do we keep going back?  donco6   Jul-26-10 06:44 PM   #286 
              - Why, I guess it should've been obvious...  LooseWilly   Jul-26-10 08:10 PM   #309 
  - K & R nt  laughingliberal   Jul-25-10 11:58 PM   #21 
  - You can't attack a particular voting bloc and expect them to support you, it's that simple  MadHound   Jul-26-10 12:26 AM   #34 
  - Is this blogger speaking for all teachers?  SunsetDreams   Jul-26-10 12:36 AM   #38 
  - No. The blogger is noting public reaction.  LWolf   Jul-26-10 10:47 AM   #131 
  - Maybe not the worst thing in the world  Ross K   Jul-26-10 12:56 AM   #48 
  - In the divorce settlement, I hope the teachers get the kids.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jul-26-10 01:01 AM   #50 
  - +1  Starry Messenger   Jul-26-10 02:00 AM   #66 
  - +2  femmocrat   Jul-26-10 09:14 AM   #113 
  - +3  LWolf   Jul-26-10 11:19 AM   #144 
  - +4  MissDeeds   Jul-26-10 03:07 PM   #200 
  - ...  YvonneCa   Jul-26-10 11:57 AM   #165 
  - +5!  Fearless   Jul-26-10 04:49 PM   #247 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-26-10 01:12 AM   #52 
  - "finally recognized the stench of a dead party"  SunsetDreams   Jul-26-10 01:29 AM   #58 
     - If you're happy that the Democratic Party has moved toward corporatism  upi402   Jul-26-10 01:37 AM   #60 
        - The corporatism meme is old  SunsetDreams   Jul-26-10 01:44 AM   #61 
           - Call it old all you want but sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling  Raineyb   Jul-26-10 01:58 AM   #64 
           - I hardly think I am the one doing that.  SunsetDreams   Jul-26-10 01:59 AM   #65 
           - Hmm, I think you *are* doing that.  LooseWilly   Jul-26-10 04:04 AM   #80 
           - Some people think allowing corporations to exist is "corporatist."  BzaDem   Jul-26-10 04:15 AM   #81 
           - Absolutely  SunsetDreams   Jul-26-10 05:43 AM   #88 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-26-10 08:55 AM   #106 
           - $200 billion a year to corporations as the solution to our corporate health insurance  mmonk   Jul-26-10 10:52 AM   #135 
           - See? You prove my point entirely.  BzaDem   Jul-26-10 12:24 PM   #174 
              - How about allowing something that doesn't run through a corporation  mmonk   Jul-26-10 04:43 PM   #245 
           - The bill provides that 200 billion to corporations... and billions more from workers to corporations  LooseWilly   Jul-26-10 04:58 PM   #252 
           - Food stamp money goes to corporations. Is the food stamp program corporatist?  BzaDem   Jul-26-10 11:08 PM   #335 
           - Your ignorance of what the word means doesn't mean the word has no meaning.  Raineyb   Jul-26-10 05:42 PM   #266 
           - The corporatists health care bill does not have single payer. Therefor, allowing corporations to  rhett o rick   Jul-26-10 10:46 PM   #330 
           - There you go. Any bill that isn't single payer is "corporatist" to you. n/t  BzaDem   Jul-26-10 11:12 PM   #337 
              - Yes. Do you disagree? The corporations made out like bandits with this bill. nm  rhett o rick   Jul-27-10 12:10 AM   #345 
              - Absolutely, without hesitation.  BzaDem   Jul-28-10 01:38 AM   #361 
              - I was discussing the HCR bill not any bill. Your exageration does not help the discussion.  rhett o rick   Jul-27-10 02:25 PM   #357 
           - i notice you dont respond. Is this a hit and run post? nm  rhett o rick   Jul-26-10 10:48 PM   #331 
              - Some people work during the day. n/t  BzaDem   Jul-26-10 11:13 PM   #338 
                 - What???? My post was 8:45 west coast time. Whatever man. nm  rhett o rick   Jul-27-10 12:11 AM   #346 
                    - Umm... some people work during the day and then do other things at night besides posting?  BzaDem   Jul-28-10 01:39 AM   #362 
           - lol nice try  SunsetDreams   Jul-26-10 05:42 AM   #87 
              - Ok, let me provide some facts to support my assertion... which I'm sure you'll then ignore.  LooseWilly   Jul-26-10 05:40 PM   #265 
           - Of course you don't. But then since you're wrong that's hardly a surprise.  Raineyb   Jul-26-10 08:50 AM   #105 
           - So IOW we have to agree with you or we don't know the truth.  Cary   Jul-26-10 05:18 AM   #83 
              - That meme is directed towards the Left all the time here.  Forkboy   Jul-26-10 05:41 AM   #86 
              - Too bad.  Cary   Jul-26-10 10:29 AM   #123 
              - Ha!  Catshrink   Jul-26-10 11:42 AM   #157 
                 - Ignore is a beautiful thing.  Cary   Jul-26-10 11:54 AM   #163 
                    - It sure is  Catshrink   Jul-26-10 12:05 PM   #169 
              - and transparent  Jax   Jul-26-10 03:57 PM   #221 
              - No but you can't go about spouting things that are demonstrably false and not expect to be called  Raineyb   Jul-26-10 05:37 PM   #261 
           - "The corporatism meme is old"?  EFerrari   Jul-26-10 05:33 AM   #84 
           - LOL Citizens United?  SunsetDreams   Jul-26-10 05:52 AM   #89 
              - I may be wrong,  dgibby   Jul-26-10 07:42 AM   #92 
                 - If that's the case, then it was a 5-4 ruling  SunsetDreams   Jul-26-10 07:50 AM   #93 
                    - But now you're just being pragmatic.  Cary   Jul-26-10 10:38 AM   #126 
                       - It's too late to be "pragmatic" when the horse is already out of the barn. n/t  EFerrari   Jul-26-10 11:04 AM   #137 
                          - Ridiculous. n/t  Cary   Jul-26-10 11:53 AM   #159 
                             - Nope. The Democrats did not fight those nominees  EFerrari   Jul-26-10 03:00 PM   #198 
                                - If it's so easy and you can do it better, why don't you?  Cary   Jul-26-10 03:38 PM   #213 
                                   - And none of that is responsive. Plus, you forgot pony. nt  EFerrari   Jul-26-10 03:45 PM   #217 
                                      - I forgot pony because I told you to put your money where your mouth is?  Cary   Jul-26-10 03:48 PM   #219 
           - The corporatist policies are old.  JVS   Jul-26-10 08:36 AM   #101 
           - Which policies in your view are Corporatist?  SunsetDreams   Jul-26-10 08:48 AM   #104 
           - Old? I guess it depends on how old you are.  LWolf   Jul-26-10 10:48 AM   #132 
           - LOL if I believe it were somehow relevant,  SunsetDreams   Jul-26-10 11:56 AM   #164 
              - I didn't ask.  LWolf   Jul-26-10 12:00 PM   #167 
                 - That doesn't qualify in this instance,  SunsetDreams   Jul-26-10 12:21 PM   #171 
                 - I so admire your patience.  Catshrink   Jul-26-10 12:25 PM   #175 
                    - On some days, anyway.  LWolf   Jul-26-10 01:16 PM   #189 
           - letting "that" continue? what is "that"? the poster is *not* comfortable with letting financial  Hannah Bell   Jul-26-10 11:37 AM   #154 
           - I have no trouble knowing what to tell you. Corporations exist at our priveledge. We allow them to  rhett o rick   Jul-26-10 10:50 PM   #332 
  - Great news for the GOP - they now have the teachers union votes!  stray cat   Jul-26-10 07:27 AM   #90 
  - Actually I expect most teachers will stay home and not vote at all  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-26-10 08:11 AM   #95 
     - Nothing like shooting yourself in the proverbial  Skidmore   Jul-26-10 10:43 AM   #129 
     - So I guess everything really IS all about them, huh?  Diane R   Jul-26-10 11:58 AM   #166 
  - Politics are local, and local teachers will favor Dems heavily.  RBInMaine   Jul-26-10 08:16 AM   #97 
  - Whistling past the graveyard there,  MadHound   Jul-26-10 08:19 AM   #99 
     - Not to mention the work on the ground in campaigns  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-26-10 09:06 AM   #111 
        - Yes, many of us worked our butts off for Obama.  femmocrat   Jul-26-10 09:27 AM   #116 
           - I'm pretty much in the same place  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-26-10 11:09 AM   #139 
  - I believe in strong teacher evaluations, but not at the expense of public schools  derby378   Jul-26-10 09:10 AM   #112 
  - We all believe in evaluations  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-26-10 09:28 AM   #117 
  - Then get with the program.  Joe Fields   Jul-26-10 10:29 AM   #124 
     - The evaluations being promoted by the current administration  LWolf   Jul-26-10 10:53 AM   #136 
     - If that is the case, then I would agree. Can you provide examples?  Joe Fields   Jul-26-10 12:52 PM   #182 
     - Of course.  LWolf   Jul-26-10 01:16 PM   #188 
        - Everyone knew Rhee was going to do mass firings before IMPACT even appeared  Recursion   Jul-26-10 03:30 PM   #208 
        - Corrupt because those who advocate using test scores in that way  LWolf   Jul-26-10 06:56 PM   #291 
           - I'm torn here  Recursion   Jul-26-10 07:19 PM   #295 
              - I'm thinking a couple of things.  LWolf   Jul-26-10 07:36 PM   #297 
                 - Thank you for that thoughtful post. Let me give one unqualified "Amen"  Recursion   Jul-26-10 07:44 PM   #299 
        - We will have to agree to disagree on nyour statement.  Joe Fields   Jul-26-10 04:13 PM   #232 
           - If it were the teachers taking the standardized test...  YvonneCa   Jul-26-10 05:28 PM   #258 
           - IMO, that's a cop-out. It was that way when my father went to school,  Joe Fields   Jul-26-10 06:50 PM   #289 
              - And your credentials for making that judgement is...  YvonneCa   Jul-26-10 07:47 PM   #300 
                 - your wild and extreme statements say a lot about you.  Joe Fields   Jul-26-10 09:41 PM   #321 
                    - Wow. Don't I remember both of us supporting...  YvonneCa   Jul-26-10 10:25 PM   #326 
           - No. Using student test scores to evaluate teachers is junk science. nt  LWolf   Jul-26-10 07:02 PM   #293 
     - yes, and as stated above  newspeak   Jul-27-10 10:47 AM   #354 
     - I'm blaming poverty, incarcerated parents, poor attendance, lack of social services, etc  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-26-10 11:39 AM   #155 
     - they're not getting evaluated on how well they do "what administrators expect of them".  Hannah Bell   Jul-26-10 11:41 AM   #156 
        - that is a given that I felt need not even be mentioned.  Joe Fields   Jul-26-10 12:46 PM   #180 
           - lol. they *do* "cover it". to a fault. your condescension is noted.  Hannah Bell   Jul-26-10 12:52 PM   #183 
           - do you even know what the hell you're arguing about?  Joe Fields   Jul-26-10 03:18 PM   #202 
           - That's called narrowing the curriculum.  Catshrink   Jul-26-10 01:13 PM   #187 
           - That is a whole different topic. I am hearing a lot of teachers  Joe Fields   Jul-26-10 03:22 PM   #203 
              - And to hell with doing what's best for the kids!  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-26-10 04:54 PM   #249 
              - as a teacher, you don't get to make that call.  Joe Fields   Jul-26-10 05:15 PM   #254 
                 - Actually, that's my JOB to make that call  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-26-10 08:47 PM   #311 
              - What about educating children?  Catshrink   Jul-26-10 04:57 PM   #251 
                 - If you don't want to play by the rules, then....  Joe Fields   Jul-26-10 05:18 PM   #257 
                    - And you know this by...  Catshrink   Jul-26-10 06:07 PM   #274 
                    - I've given standardized tests since...  YvonneCa   Jul-26-10 07:55 PM   #303 
           - You are confusing terms. It is one thing to TEACH...  YvonneCa   Jul-26-10 07:52 PM   #302 
              - a good teacher doesn't "make" a child learn...they inspire them.  Joe Fields   Jul-26-10 08:05 PM   #307 
                 - Could you share some examples of what you...  YvonneCa   Jul-26-10 08:07 PM   #308 
  - Yet somehow PRINCIPALS DOING THEIR OWN JOBS BETTER is never a topic, is it?  WinkyDink   Jul-26-10 10:50 AM   #134 
     - A principal's being fired doesn't bring out protestors  Recursion   Jul-26-10 11:24 AM   #146 
        - Probably because it doesn't happen as often.  knitter4democracy   Jul-26-10 01:09 PM   #186 
        - Really?  Recursion   Jul-26-10 01:24 PM   #190 
        - Here are some results from a Google news search of "principal fired"  Recursion   Jul-26-10 02:20 PM   #192 
           - your first link is about a teacher who was fired, not a principal. allegedly for not fraudulently  Hannah Bell   Jul-26-10 03:34 PM   #211 
              - You're right, I misread the first one  Recursion   Jul-26-10 03:43 PM   #216 
              - no need to do anything. no one disputes that principals are sometimes fired. the poster  Hannah Bell   Jul-26-10 04:05 PM   #222 
                 - Several groups are less powerful than teachers  Recursion   Jul-26-10 04:10 PM   #228 
                    - students are less powerful in some situations, more powerful in others.  Hannah Bell   Jul-26-10 04:32 PM   #236 
                    - That is not really true. A student can be far more powerful than a teacher.  madfloridian   Jul-26-10 05:34 PM   #259 
                    - Everyone knows that secretaries and janitors run the school.  knitter4democracy   Jul-26-10 09:42 PM   #322 
              - Stories about fired principals  Recursion   Jul-26-10 04:09 PM   #225 
                 - Principals, in general, have to screw up big-time.  knitter4democracy   Jul-26-10 09:38 PM   #320 
        - Here's my point: A principal's main---MAIN---duty is to EVALUATE TEACHERS.  WinkyDink   Jul-26-10 02:56 PM   #196 
  - recommend -- we will see what happens. nt  xchrom   Jul-26-10 09:34 AM   #119 
  - Not "the Democrats"; "the Obama Administration". Thank you.  WinkyDink   Jul-26-10 10:48 AM   #133 
  - Obama will have to hitch a ride home from the dance after ditching the ones that brung him!  DailyGrind51   Jul-26-10 11:15 AM   #141 
  - K&R  amborin   Jul-26-10 11:31 AM   #152 
  - hmmm, I disagree - however that may be becasue I am in Texas  Dragonbreathp9d   Jul-26-10 12:18 PM   #170 
  - Yes, I have been in Texas now 7 years and it is like living in another country  TBF   Jul-26-10 04:12 PM   #230 
  - K&R  Individualist   Jul-26-10 12:30 PM   #177 
  - Teachers only direction is to serve students. Every administration for the past 30 years has had  MichiganVote   Jul-26-10 12:44 PM   #178 
  - When did it become ok with our party to bust teachers" unions??  madfloridian   Jul-26-10 02:02 PM   #191 
  - When some (not all, not most) teachers' unions put job security above everything else  Recursion   Jul-26-10 02:24 PM   #193 
     - In a discussion on "unions", "unions" will be the topic, not some standard pap about the chirrun.  WinkyDink   Jul-26-10 02:59 PM   #197 
     - The topic of that segment was "education"  Recursion   Jul-26-10 03:05 PM   #199 
     - Oh, yeh, like the "reformers" are enamored of the students.. yeh right.  madfloridian   Jul-26-10 03:14 PM   #201 
        - I'm certainly not baiting  Recursion   Jul-26-10 03:24 PM   #205 
           - I will not argue with the propaganda anymore. It's like fighting a cloud...  madfloridian   Jul-26-10 05:18 PM   #256 
              - Any attempt whatsoever, to fire any tenured teacher, is union busting?  Recursion   Jul-26-10 05:51 PM   #269 
                 - That's it for me. Deliberate misrepresentation is baiting.  madfloridian   Jul-26-10 05:52 PM   #270 
                    - No, no, no. I was giving you a chance to clarify  Recursion   Jul-26-10 06:04 PM   #273 
                       - no, you were baiting & throwing straw men. i seriously doubt you're in education.  Hannah Bell   Jul-26-10 06:27 PM   #280 
                          - It depends  Recursion   Jul-26-10 06:49 PM   #287 
  - I stand with the unions. K and R. (nt)  Danger Mouse   Jul-26-10 03:55 PM   #220 
  - Solidarity with teachers.  TBF   Jul-26-10 04:07 PM   #223 
  - Thank you. nt  LWolf   Jul-26-10 07:40 PM   #298 
  - This stilll shocks me, but maybe they figure they'll make up for it  Jefferson23   Jul-26-10 04:19 PM   #234 
  - I expected better from the Democrats.  John Agar   Jul-26-10 04:35 PM   #237 
  - Thank you. nt  LWolf   Jul-26-10 07:12 PM   #294 
  - Welcome to DU  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-26-10 10:54 PM   #334 
     - Thank you proud2B.  John Agar   Jul-27-10 07:09 AM   #349 
  - I don't understand why we can't work toward really good public schools.  Vinca   Jul-26-10 04:42 PM   #244 
  - my question exactly  ibegurpard   Jul-26-10 04:51 PM   #248 
  - yes, everything must. They're been privatizing public functions for 30 years.  Hannah Bell   Jul-26-10 06:31 PM   #282 
  - Yes, the magic invisible hand of the market will make things better  liberation   Jul-26-10 06:36 PM   #284 
  - Hmm... if only SOMEONE could've seen this coming...  Fearless   Jul-26-10 04:48 PM   #246 
  - This independent will ALWAYS vote with the teachers.  Dappleganger   Jul-26-10 04:55 PM   #250 
  - Perhaps, but they certainly are not running to dark side.  VPStoltz   Jul-26-10 05:17 PM   #255 
  - YAWN...  ConservativeDemocrat   Jul-26-10 05:55 PM   #271 
  - "Haters gonna hate" - what a stupid response. nt  Bluebear   Jul-26-10 09:21 PM   #318 
     - Like I said. N/T  ConservativeDemocrat   Jul-27-10 01:38 PM   #355 
  - HCR will lay off thousands of angry teachers  Raggz   Jul-26-10 06:25 PM   #279 
  - The union busting and privatization continues. :( n/t  pleah   Jul-26-10 06:59 PM   #292 
  - +1  Bozita   Jul-26-10 10:23 PM   #325 
  - I'm sure you can get the GOP to repeal any of the changes Obama makes...  Historic NY   Jul-26-10 07:56 PM   #304 
  - Well good luck with a Republican Administration  AllTooEasy   Jul-26-10 08:04 PM   #306 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-26-10 08:41 PM   #310 
  - Teachers under the bus...  JoseGaspar   Jul-26-10 08:55 PM   #313 
  - Yup. It's Fuckin' Crowded Under Here Too (nt)  Dinger   Jul-26-10 09:59 PM   #324 
  - K&R n/t  DeSwiss   Jul-26-10 08:55 PM   #314 
  - Big Leaks In The Umbrella  colsohlibgal   Jul-26-10 09:31 PM   #319 
  - And this is a threat to democracy no matter which party  Hardrada   Jul-27-10 12:50 AM   #348 
  - The DLC Democrats are corporatists and not supportive of unions or the working class. nm  rhett o rick   Jul-26-10 10:44 PM   #329 
  - Good  Oilwellian   Jul-26-10 10:51 PM   #333 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-27-10 12:47 AM   #347 
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