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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #14
21. I do have some thoughts on that, yes.
In my ideal society, there would be no such discrepancies. It's also an impractical that cannot be attained. In the real society, I have no interest whatever in how much some former President spends on his daughter's wedding. The result will be money in the pockets of a lot of people who will have work that day. The money will go, primarily, to working people and the businesses that hire them. Good for them.

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  -Why Weddings Matter Oregone  Jul-23-10 11:50 AM   #0 
  - OK. I won't post anything. I mean since you don't want to discuss it.  MineralMan   Jul-23-10 11:52 AM   #1 
  - I want to discuss disparity  Oregone   Jul-23-10 11:53 AM   #2 
  - I am almost positive that about 70% of DUers do not understand your point.  JanMichael   Jul-23-10 12:01 PM   #7 
  - Well, we have to start somewhere  Oregone   Jul-23-10 12:03 PM   #10 
  - lol  HughMoran   Jul-24-10 08:31 AM   #48 
     - "telling us shit we already know"  Oregone   Jul-24-10 02:33 PM   #52 
  - I think everybody here pretty much gets that disparity and waste are the root issue  northernlights   Jul-25-10 05:48 AM   #57 
  - lol  HughMoran   Jul-24-10 08:30 AM   #47 
  - They have money, their daughter is getting married -- GET OVER IT  KurtNYC   Jul-23-10 11:57 AM   #3 
  - "I hope we can removed the Clintons for a moment and talk openly and honestly about the system that  uppityperson   Jul-23-10 12:00 PM   #5 
  - The OP was even more explicit than that  depakid   Jul-25-10 09:47 PM   #63 
  - See, this is precisely the problem  Oregone   Jul-23-10 12:01 PM   #6 
  - The rich get richer, the rest get poorer  uppityperson   Jul-23-10 11:59 AM   #4 
  - I think that the Lottery Mentality you mention is the main reason we have lotteries.  FiveGoodMen   Jul-23-10 12:04 PM   #11 
     - Don't rise up because may be rich....someday  uppityperson   Jul-23-10 12:05 PM   #12 
     - We have lotteries because its better than the alternative  Oregone   Jul-23-10 12:15 PM   #22 
     - The Clintons won the lottery when Bill was elected president  dflprincess   Jul-23-10 12:21 PM   #24 
  - it's going to be interesting  JanMichael   Jul-23-10 12:02 PM   #8 
  - Besides, a change in wedding plans has been announced:  MineralMan   Jul-23-10 12:02 PM   #9 
  - What about the system that perpetuates disparity and makes these kind of events possible?  uppityperson   Jul-23-10 12:07 PM   #14 
     - I do have some thoughts on that, yes.  MineralMan   Jul-23-10 12:15 PM   #21 
        - "In the real society..."  Oregone   Jul-23-10 12:25 PM   #26 
           - My emigrant friend:  MineralMan   Jul-23-10 12:31 PM   #29 
              - a bash, "i've been trying", another bash.  uppityperson   Jul-23-10 12:34 PM   #31 
              - Ideals do not have to be fully realized (and scary for some if they often ever are)  Oregone   Jul-23-10 12:38 PM   #34 
                 - Exactly my point. Movement toward ideals is about the best  MineralMan   Jul-23-10 01:06 PM   #42 
  - see, I kind of like that answer  sui generis   Jul-23-10 12:05 PM   #13 
  - "liberal education and liberal values mean that we inculcate a higher sense of fairness"  Oregone   Jul-23-10 12:09 PM   #16 
  - I like your last 2 paragraphs  uppityperson   Jul-23-10 12:09 PM   #17 
  - If you leave Clinton out of the discussion, what's the point of arguing?  tularetom   Jul-23-10 12:08 PM   #15 
  - Is there ever a point of arguing against disparity after observing an event made possible by it?  Oregone   Jul-23-10 12:13 PM   #18 
  - So its okay to tell people how to live their lives and spend their money  TZ   Jul-23-10 12:14 PM   #19 
  - Please read the topic before responding  Oregone   Jul-23-10 12:20 PM   #23 
     - I applaud you for your patience in trying to explain your point  uppityperson   Jul-23-10 12:36 PM   #32 
  - Anger over the disparity? Nah - we LOVE to watch the rich flaunt it.  Lance_Boyle   Jul-23-10 12:15 PM   #20 
  - Interesting point, actually.  Robb   Jul-23-10 12:24 PM   #25 
     - Maybe part defense mechanism and part ol fashion entertainment  Oregone   Jul-23-10 12:31 PM   #28 
     - I just love your sig line image in relation to this thread topic.  Lance_Boyle   Jul-23-10 12:36 PM   #33 
        - Oh yeah, quite true  Oregone   Jul-23-10 12:44 PM   #36 
           - Now THAT would be reality TV.  Lance_Boyle   Jul-23-10 12:50 PM   #38 
     - I don't know.  Lance_Boyle   Jul-23-10 12:33 PM   #30 
     - That is so unfair.  Guy Whitey Corngood   Jul-23-10 12:52 PM   #41 
  - Oregone, I don't often agree with you  NeedleCast   Jul-23-10 12:25 PM   #27 
  - I have nothing against weddings but everything against Robber Barons.  earth mom   Jul-23-10 12:38 PM   #35 
  - While I find it tone deaf...  Oregone   Jul-23-10 12:49 PM   #37 
  - +1000000  leftstreet   Jul-23-10 12:52 PM   #40 
  - Ironically, the area where the wedding is taking place was a hotbed for Robber Barons.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jul-24-10 08:28 AM   #46 
  - That is true with everything  treestar   Jul-23-10 12:51 PM   #39 
  - I agree with much of what you say. The system is indeed broken and needs a fixin'.  Rabrrrrrr   Jul-23-10 01:30 PM   #43 
  - Bravo. I think many DUers are creating fantasy OPs and replacing your OP with the fantasy.  ZombieHorde   Jul-24-10 04:38 AM   #44 
  - k&r  blindpig   Jul-24-10 08:24 AM   #45 
  - so, no more birthday parties? or backyard BBQs?  brooklynite   Jul-24-10 09:00 AM   #49 
  - Did I even say "no more weddings"?  Oregone   Jul-24-10 02:31 PM   #51 
  - Tax the rich, feed the poor, till there are no rich no more  txlibdem   Jul-24-10 12:37 PM   #50 
  - The truth is that there is a tradeoff between wealth disparity and increasing standard of living.  BzaDem   Jul-24-10 08:12 PM   #53 
  - Are you suggesting increased standard of living necessitates increased disparity?  Oregone   Jul-24-10 09:45 PM   #54 
  - I'm just saying there is a trade-off.  BzaDem   Jul-25-10 02:25 AM   #55 
     - You are saying it, but not proving it  Oregone   Jul-25-10 10:59 AM   #58 
        - "Why must they grow at a faster pace that that to make "risk" worth it?"  BzaDem   Jul-25-10 04:59 PM   #59 
           - "What I'm saying is that the reward for the risk is currently inversely proportional to ..."  Oregone   Jul-25-10 08:11 PM   #61 
              - "your original argument was an appeal to disparity as a means to raise the standard of living"  BzaDem   Jul-25-10 09:35 PM   #62 
                 - "but even under the current system there is limited ROI on low-risk investments"  Oregone   Jul-25-10 10:31 PM   #72 
  - The "truth" of the matter is the OPPOSITE of that  depakid   Jul-25-10 09:54 PM   #64 
     - It is obviously a matter of degree.  BzaDem   Jul-25-10 09:59 PM   #65 
        - Eisenhower era taxation levels didn't "stifle innovation" -and that's where the neoliberal arguments  depakid   Jul-25-10 10:04 PM   #67 
           - There were many more loopholes and exceptions when the top tax rate was 90%  BzaDem   Jul-25-10 10:12 PM   #68 
              - The fact remains that by current standards in the US it was astonomical  depakid   Jul-25-10 10:14 PM   #69 
                 - We brought in about 17-18% of GDP as taxation during the Eisenhower administration.  BzaDem   Jul-25-10 10:16 PM   #71 
                    - The issue is where does the revenue come in from- and how does it relate to "innovation"  depakid   Jul-25-10 11:58 PM   #74 
  - Weddings, honeymoons, cars, jewelry, education, clothes, vacations....  cynatnite   Jul-25-10 03:51 AM   #56 
  - I am glad my girlfriend wants nothing to do with a fancy wedding!  Lucky Luciano   Jul-25-10 05:12 PM   #60 
  - I'm all for it, Weddings help out our economy a lot.  Initech   Jul-25-10 10:03 PM   #66 
     - You do realize this money is only spent because its negligible against the amount they retain?  Oregone   Jul-25-10 10:16 PM   #70 
        - I know trickle-down economics is bullshit.  Initech   Jul-25-10 10:56 PM   #73 

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