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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 08:09 PM
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Barack's Sister Souljah Moment? (Obama bombs in Detroit speech)
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This week, Sen. Barack Obama attempted to fuel his presidential run with a scalding speech to the Detroit Economic Club, castigating Motown's big wheels for driving our dependence on foreign oil. "For years, while foreign competitors were investing in more fuel-efficient technology for their vehicles, American automakers were spending their time investing in bigger, faster cars," Obama told an audience stunned into silence after greeting him with a standing ovation."Whenever an attempt was made to raise our fuel efficiency standards, the auto companies would lobby furiously against it, spending millions to prevent the very reform that could've saved their industry. Even as they've shed thousands of jobs and billions in profits over the last few years, they've continued to reward failure with lucrative bonuses for CEOs."

What played as an act of courage in the rest of the country, is being seen as political suicide here in Detroit. "People were looking for so much more from Barack Obama," Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick told me. "He left a lot to be desired with that message." Kilpatrick, who introduced Obama to that thunderous ovation, met with him privately afterward and told him he missed an opportunity to woo Michigan voters by addressing their concerns about soaring health-care costs and fair trade. "As president, he needs to say what he would do to stand up for these other issues," says Kilpatrick, "instead of just slamming these companies for their fuel efficiency." And while it once might have seemed a slam dunk that one the nation's leading African-American mayors would endorse Obama, Kilpatrick makes it clear that he's not nearly ready to do that. "I'm not going to disengage from him simply because of one speech," Kilpatrick said. "But he needs to work on that message."

Kilpatrick is kind, though, compared to what others in Detroit are saying. "Sen. Obama embarrassed himself in Detroit with his lack of understanding of the problems facing the automobile industry, and what it will really take to fix them," the conservative-leaning Detroit News said in an editorial beside a political cartoon mocking Obama for criticizing a Detroit SUV that turns out to be a Toyota Land Cruiser. During his speech, the auto execs in the crowdand there were manybegan muttering that he didn't know what he was talking about. (One factual gaffe getting a lot of traction is Obama's assertion that Japanese cars average 45mpg, when the actual mileage is closer 30mpg). "It was definitely uncomfortable," says Eric Foster, a Detroit political consultant who sat near tables full of auto execs. "The mood lightened when he took on the oil industry."

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  -Barack's Sister Souljah Moment? (Obama bombs in Detroit speech) Herman Munster  May-13-07 08:09 PM   #0 
  - I guess Obama's finished then. Nice knowing you, Obama.  Kagemusha   May-13-07 08:16 PM   #1 
  - Obama has not done his homework.  JDPriestly   May-13-07 08:17 PM   #2 
  - I'm telling you this guy is not ready for prime time yet  bluestateguy   May-13-07 08:17 PM   #3 
  - What rookie mistake?  edwardsfeingold08   May-13-07 09:00 PM   #29 
  - Maybe you don't like that Obama is doing so well in terms of polls and funds  Katzenkavalier   May-13-07 09:08 PM   #34 
  - a little FYI if anyone's interested in facts...  jg82567   May-13-07 08:22 PM   #4 
  - that's besides the point  Herman Munster   May-13-07 08:25 PM   #5 
  - Right. He should kiss the asses of THE major source of pollution, and be like all the rest.  Buzz Clik   May-13-07 08:27 PM   #7 
  - says who, and why the hell not if they deserve it...nt  jg82567   May-13-07 08:30 PM   #11 
  - there's something called being respectful  Herman Munster   May-13-07 08:33 PM   #13 
     - So lets say Nancy Pelosi goes to the WH.  hnmnf   May-13-07 08:34 PM   #14 
     - not a fair comparison  Herman Munster   May-13-07 08:37 PM   #16 
        - The reason Detroit's been in economic decline is because of poor decisions  Telly Savalas   May-13-07 08:50 PM   #23 
        - What middle class life? Ever seen "Roger and Me"???  Perragrande   May-13-07 10:27 PM   #52 
     - also, another perspective from the SAME link in original post...  jg82567   May-13-07 08:42 PM   #19 
     - It's not close to the same thing.  edwardsfeingold08   May-13-07 09:08 PM   #35 
  - oh nonsense  MonkeyFunk   May-13-07 11:42 PM   #58 
  - Great post. Interesting that we have to combat swiftboating by DUers.  Buzz Clik   May-13-07 08:25 PM   #6 
  - Agreed, I would like to k&r that post.  enough   May-13-07 08:41 PM   #18 
  - Yes that is interesting. You just need to read the subject line and  tabasco   May-13-07 08:48 PM   #22 
  - Agreed. It's sickening.  edwardsfeingold08   May-13-07 09:13 PM   #38 
  - Awesome  sanskritwarrior   May-13-07 09:17 PM   #41 
     - I'm not a big fan of those who repeat bullshit without a filter, left or right.  Buzz Clik   May-13-07 10:01 PM   #49 
  - I'm not sure of his definition of 'car'.  igil   May-13-07 09:54 PM   #48 
  - If Michigan wanted to matter in this election, they would have moved their primary up to January....  Bucky   May-13-07 08:27 PM   #8 
  - He is absolutely right  alarimer   May-13-07 08:29 PM   #9 
  - actually he didn't. That was one reporters take. The others said he was well received.  illinoisprogressive   May-13-07 08:30 PM   #10 
  - also, look who posted this. Munster is a clinton supporter.  illinoisprogressive   May-13-07 08:31 PM   #12 
  - I seem to recall  Sherman A1   May-13-07 08:35 PM   # 
  - It's not so much this; it's that the gaffes/blunders are adding up.  WinkyDink   May-13-07 08:35 PM   #15 
  - So I shouldnt vote for him because of that?  hnmnf   May-13-07 08:37 PM   #17 
  - this was not a gaffe or a blunder...  jg82567   May-13-07 08:45 PM   #21 
  - I'm pretty sure he said 20 million died.  Telly Savalas   May-13-07 08:55 PM   #26 
     - No, he said 10,000.  hnmnf   May-13-07 08:55 PM   #27 
        - The measurement of how people die seems ignored.......  nolabels   May-14-07 02:35 AM   #60 
  - One bad speech will not kill Obama's Campaign, and more is to be expected...  Blackhatjack   May-13-07 08:43 PM   #20 
  - I agree - Obama gets more impressive as a speaker every day - his positions don't  papau   May-13-07 08:54 PM   #25 
     - I think you make some excellent points .....  Blackhatjack   May-14-07 12:03 AM   #59 
  - Am I missing something? What did he say wrong?  Canuckistanian   May-13-07 08:54 PM   #24 
  - You wish, Munster... you wish...  Katzenkavalier   May-13-07 08:57 PM   #28 
  - I live in the Detroit area...and Obama is right  Windy   May-13-07 09:00 PM   #30 
  - Obama is right on target - Detroit relied on Testosterone Shitwagons for decades . . .  hatrack   May-13-07 09:02 PM   #31 
  - Ooooh! Thanks Mr. Keith Naughton for you and Newsweek  FrenchieCat   May-13-07 09:04 PM   #32 
  - I completely agree with Sen. Obama on this one  nam78_two   May-13-07 09:06 PM   #33 
  - Obama was totally, utterly correct.  Kelly Rupert   May-13-07 09:10 PM   #36 
  - Thank God, Someone has the guts to speak "truth to power"  OHdem10   May-13-07 09:10 PM   #37 
  - I guess some people over here like panderers better  Katzenkavalier   May-13-07 09:13 PM   #39 
  - Somebody help me out: What the fuck does Sister Souljah have to do with this?  Raskolnik   May-13-07 09:15 PM   #40 
  - nothing. and it sounds like a poor use of the tern  JVS   May-13-07 11:35 PM   #56 
  - What's he meant to do, praise gas-guzzling?  dave_p   May-13-07 09:18 PM   #42 
  - It's the top story at Media Matters.  madfloridian   May-13-07 09:23 PM   #43 
  - Here is the Media Matters link that debunks this article.  Connie_Corleone   May-13-07 09:27 PM   #44 
  - Obama is at the middle of  Katzenkavalier   May-13-07 09:32 PM   #45 
  - Thanks for that. The Mods should lock this thread since this article  Quixote1818   May-13-07 10:02 PM   #50 
  - Have democrats lost their soul?  earthlover   May-13-07 09:43 PM   #46 
  - Sounded like a great speech! Did I miss something? nt  Quixote1818   May-13-07 09:51 PM   #47 
  - Anybody who stands up and tells people what they DON'T want  wienerdoggie   May-13-07 10:23 PM   #51 
  - All the had to do was talk about offshoring. n/t  rucky   May-13-07 10:36 PM   #53 
  - Bwahahahaha! OUCH! 'TRUTH TO POWER' HURTS, EH? Suck it up people! What he said is TRUE!  in_cog_ni_to   May-13-07 10:49 PM   #54 
  - Well, Herman, you've been massively owned in your own thread.  Opposite Reaction   May-13-07 10:55 PM   #55 
     - LOL!  Katzenkavalier   May-13-07 11:38 PM   #57 
 

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