| 138. Privilege has never been color blind in America |
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And it's a fantasy to think that it every will be, because it's so firmly entrenched at its core.
They only way that it could change, is either the privilege class changes by disavowing their privilege and shares power (not very likely), or those not benefiting from privilege would rise up and take it by force (just as unlikely).
Why?
Because the beneficiaries are inherently unable to cope with any notion of having their privilege taken away from them. They have their guns, their police forces and their institutions to make that advantage concrete.
Those that aren't as privileged have learned how to cope within this system in order to survive it.
Whether one is black, brown, gay or a woman, developing those coping skills is always the key to survival.
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| -"There is no such thing as white racism, but there is plenty of non-white racism to go around" |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 08:09 AM |
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Simultaneously using the term "white privilege" and whining about "inflammatory language" |
slackmaster |
Jul-21-10 08:22 AM |
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You don't think that there are people who believe in and promote white privilege? |
drm604 |
Jul-21-10 08:27 AM |
#2 |
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I think the term "white privilege" is inflammatory language |
slackmaster |
Jul-21-10 08:32 AM |
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How is the term by itself inflammatory? |
drm604 |
Jul-21-10 08:42 AM |
#9 |
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Self-evident IMO. It implies that the privileges of white people are not deserved. |
slackmaster |
Jul-21-10 08:45 AM |
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It is not the least bit self-evident. |
drm604 |
Jul-21-10 08:58 AM |
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Yes it is. |
LaydeeBug |
Jul-21-10 09:10 AM |
#29 |
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What? |
drm604 |
Jul-21-10 09:17 AM |
#34 |
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And "color rich folk" (whatever that is) get arrested, too. |
AspenRose |
Jul-21-10 09:44 AM |
#47 |
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We have a black President now |
Borderlineanarchist |
Jul-21-10 04:46 PM |
#108 |
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The trick is that white privilege isn't going away because we have a black president |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 05:15 PM |
#114 |
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Do you really believe that? |
Borderlineanarchist |
Jul-21-10 06:24 PM |
#132 |
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The difference is that, if Obama was white... |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 07:08 PM |
#141 |
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I do not deny there are morons in this country.. |
Borderlineanarchist |
Jul-21-10 07:34 PM |
#146 |
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Taking more shit? You bet |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 07:45 PM |
#149 |
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Okay, I did not live in D.C during the Clinton era... |
Borderlineanarchist |
Jul-21-10 07:56 PM |
#151 |
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I'm afraid that you have to be a little bit more specific, and so do I |
MrScorpio |
Jul-22-10 01:12 AM |
#168 |
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Please name a priviage that white people deserve to have. |
slampoet |
Jul-21-10 12:22 PM |
#87 |
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Please name a privilege that poor white people have. |
Confusious |
Jul-21-10 06:26 PM |
#134 |
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Easier to get a cab. |
slampoet |
Jul-21-10 06:53 PM |
#139 |
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Wouldn't it better to say that we all deserve those priliveges |
Confusious |
Jul-21-10 08:23 PM |
#158 |
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Maybe but i said NEITHER |
slampoet |
Jul-21-10 09:46 PM |
#161 |
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"The problem isn't that white people get too much..." |
KansDem |
Jul-21-10 06:14 PM |
#130 |
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Because he doesn't want to admit that non white people are treated as less than. |
Raineyb |
Jul-21-10 03:42 PM |
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Straw Man |
slackmaster |
Jul-21-10 04:54 PM |
#110 |
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Apparently, you just can't admit that white people are treated better because |
Raineyb |
Jul-21-10 05:31 PM |
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I've never been personally treated better than anyone else because of my white skin |
slackmaster |
Jul-21-10 05:33 PM |
#119 |
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Not a straw man at all. I mentioned your proclivity to deny it when I first commented. |
Raineyb |
Jul-21-10 06:15 PM |
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Another ad hominem |
slackmaster |
Jul-22-10 11:54 AM |
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white privilage goes beyond |
handmade34 |
Jul-21-10 08:44 AM |
#11 |
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Lots of appeals to "isness" but no real meat to back them up |
slackmaster |
Jul-21-10 08:46 AM |
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The truth is often inflammatory. |
Heidi |
Jul-21-10 08:46 AM |
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I think everyone else deserved the good fortune that you feel was being dispensed to you |
slackmaster |
Jul-21-10 08:56 AM |
#19 |
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That's why it's an issue. |
uncommon |
Jul-21-10 09:11 AM |
#30 |
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More appeals to "isness". More labels, still no substance. |
slackmaster |
Jul-21-10 10:08 AM |
#54 |
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That may be true ... |
Kweli4Real |
Jul-21-10 10:49 AM |
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I don't believe I've ever had anything good handed to me because of my race |
slackmaster |
Jul-21-10 05:01 PM |
#111 |
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Where can I get some of this good fortune? |
Confusious |
Jul-21-10 06:30 PM |
#136 |
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I certainly think that, too. But us believing this does NOT mean white privilege doesn't exist. |
Heidi |
Jul-21-10 12:09 PM |
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Compared to wealth privilege, education privilege and even non-disabled privilege. |
SunnySong |
Jul-21-10 09:17 AM |
#35 |
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But it still gets plenty of bang for the buck |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 09:23 AM |
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It's fairly useless on its own... just ask a homeless person or Walmart Greeter |
SunnySong |
Jul-21-10 09:27 AM |
#39 |
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It's all part of the big picture, isn't it? |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 09:28 AM |
#41 |
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I've been a victim of "youth privilege" at least twice in my working career |
slackmaster |
Jul-21-10 11:54 AM |
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Jul-21-10 12:04 PM |
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I'm not surprised that this is your view. |
Heidi |
Jul-21-10 12:08 PM |
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Jul-21-10 12:15 PM |
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More regular whites should own up to how they've benefitted from white privilege. |
Heidi |
Jul-21-10 12:20 PM |
#86 |
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Most of us probably couldn't identify specific examples |
One_Life_To_Give |
Jul-21-10 01:53 PM |
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I can't think of a single example of having discrimination work to my advantage |
slackmaster |
Jul-21-10 04:42 PM |
#104 |
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But one can say: |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 06:36 PM |
#137 |
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What would that privilege be? nt |
Confusious |
Jul-21-10 06:28 PM |
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You are kidding, right? Everyone deserves |
uncommon |
Jul-21-10 09:09 AM |
#28 |
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The fact that the term inflames me is sufficient for me to call it inflammatory |
slackmaster |
Jul-21-10 11:54 AM |
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If I were to show you source material written by white people on the subject... |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 05:19 PM |
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If I saw that kind of thing attributed to a white writer, I'd think the writer had a chip... |
slackmaster |
Jul-21-10 05:27 PM |
#117 |
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and what would be the source of that chip? |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 06:05 PM |
#126 |
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I wouldn't bother trying to analyze it |
slackmaster |
Jul-22-10 11:56 AM |
#176 |
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Well, ok. That's nice to know |
MrScorpio |
Jul-22-10 02:21 PM |
#178 |
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getting picked first or paid more because you are white is NOT a human right. |
bettyellen |
Jul-21-10 04:26 PM |
#100 |
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I don't believe that has ever happened to me. |
slackmaster |
Jul-21-10 04:42 PM |
#105 |
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why should you know or care, right? why believe recorded history, when this is all about YOU really? |
bettyellen |
Jul-22-10 07:23 AM |
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"White Privilege" is a fact; hence, |
Dogtown |
Jul-21-10 08:33 AM |
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Yeah well, that's just, ya know, like, your opinion, man. |
slackmaster |
Jul-21-10 08:35 AM |
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Yes, it is |
Dogtown |
Jul-21-10 08:37 AM |
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My opinion's the opposite, mostly because this isn't about racial lines, it's about an underclass, |
LaydeeBug |
Jul-21-10 09:06 AM |
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You're entitled to your opinion. |
Dogtown |
Jul-21-10 11:55 AM |
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So, I take that, in your mind, the promotion of white privilege is non existent? |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 08:40 AM |
#8 |
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Is your solution to the problem of racism, to take something away from white people? |
slackmaster |
Jul-21-10 08:48 AM |
#15 |
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Let's make sure that I'm clear about what I'm saying |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 09:06 AM |
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I've been white all my life, and I grew up in an affluent community |
slackmaster |
Jul-21-10 10:09 AM |
#55 |
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Well, I see where you're coming from... |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 10:43 AM |
#59 |
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Last time I took a friend to a welfare office, about half the people in the waiting area were white |
slackmaster |
Jul-21-10 11:32 AM |
#70 |
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So are you saying that the meritocracy works as touted? |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 11:47 AM |
#73 |
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I think that racial discrimination is an important factor, but not the only imporant factor |
slackmaster |
Jul-21-10 04:37 PM |
#102 |
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The prisms by which we see the world show each of us different colors |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 06:04 PM |
#125 |
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Speaking for myself: Yes, absolutely. |
uncommon |
Jul-21-10 09:13 AM |
#31 |
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That's a great example of what I've heard referred to as "white guilt" |
slackmaster |
Jul-21-10 10:10 AM |
#56 |
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I don't feel guilty, I just know I didn't earn it. |
uncommon |
Jul-21-10 11:23 AM |
#67 |
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And thus don't think I am entitled to it. |
uncommon |
Jul-21-10 11:23 AM |
#68 |
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I think I earned and am entitled to everything I have |
slackmaster |
Jul-21-10 11:36 AM |
#71 |
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The facts are |
notesdev |
Jul-21-10 08:48 AM |
#16 |
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This "is" that, blah blah blah |
slackmaster |
Jul-21-10 08:48 AM |
#17 |
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I would have suggested reading (white guy) Tim Wise on the subject |
AspenRose |
Jul-21-10 09:41 AM |
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How about suggesting this YouTube vid to him instead? |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 09:45 AM |
#48 |
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Wow ... Did I stumble into VDare this morning ... |
Kweli4Real |
Jul-21-10 10:44 AM |
#60 |
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You don't understand it |
JonLP24 |
Jul-21-10 10:52 AM |
#62 |
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White privilege exists |
Generic Other |
Jul-21-10 11:48 AM |
#74 |
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Why, thank you. I had almost forgotten to recommend. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jul-21-10 11:53 AM |
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I just negated your petulent unrec... |
ProudDad |
Jul-21-10 05:36 PM |
#121 |
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They pine woefully for the good old days when everyone knew their place |
lunatica |
Jul-21-10 08:38 AM |
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Misogyny and homophobia are extensions of the same dynamic |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 08:42 AM |
#10 |
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Precisely! |
uncommon |
Jul-21-10 09:14 AM |
#33 |
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In broad generality . . . |
Morning Dew |
Jul-21-10 08:54 AM |
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That's exactly correct |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 09:08 AM |
#27 |
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That's perfectly stated. |
AspenRose |
Jul-21-10 09:49 AM |
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Wish I could rec your response. nt |
uncommon |
Jul-21-10 11:24 AM |
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Fail. Epic. Fail. Racism is racism is racism, the idea that it's not possible |
LaydeeBug |
Jul-21-10 09:03 AM |
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It's actually scapegoating, since Obama, Breitbart, Vilsack, et al. |
Romulox |
Jul-21-10 09:06 AM |
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Racism is specific to the group that holds power |
Generic Other |
Jul-21-10 12:02 PM |
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Jul-21-10 03:34 PM |
#92 |
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You cannot be for real. |
Raineyb |
Jul-21-10 03:59 PM |
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Jul-21-10 04:29 PM |
#101 |
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Hell no I can't. You want a cookie for doing what the fuck you're supposed to do? |
Raineyb |
Jul-21-10 04:45 PM |
#107 |
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Hardly "racial enlightenment"... |
ProudDad |
Jul-21-10 05:45 PM |
#123 |
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I don't believe the definition supports your assertion |
MajorChode |
Jul-21-10 04:21 PM |
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There is no such thing as 'reverse racism' |
MajorChode |
Jul-21-10 04:04 PM |
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The privilege we aren't supposed to talk about is the privilege of class |
Romulox |
Jul-21-10 09:04 AM |
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+ eleven gazillion, because it could not have been said better. nt |
LaydeeBug |
Jul-21-10 09:07 AM |
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All I'm saying is that the promotion of white privilege is a tool |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 09:14 AM |
#32 |
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You and I live in the same community... |
Romulox |
Jul-21-10 09:34 AM |
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I disagree. In my experience I've seen the worst bigotry among working class |
lunatica |
Jul-21-10 09:21 AM |
#36 |
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Which is what I've been saying |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 09:26 AM |
#38 |
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This statement would work as well to the man in the mirror |
Romulox |
Jul-21-10 09:29 AM |
#42 |
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The people who promote it are the beneficiaries of racism |
lunatica |
Jul-21-10 09:33 AM |
#43 |
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Like the men and women who made the decision to kill millions of Iraqis and Afghanis? |
Romulox |
Jul-21-10 09:28 AM |
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There's no need to read minds when racists are talking at you behind their hands |
lunatica |
Jul-21-10 09:37 AM |
#45 |
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Um, ketchup? |
Romulox |
Jul-21-10 09:41 AM |
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I beg to differ .. |
Kweli4Real |
Jul-21-10 11:00 AM |
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Unless Tom Vilsack, Barack Obama, and Andy Breitbart are "working class whites", you're demonstrably |
Romulox |
Jul-21-10 11:10 AM |
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Read what I wrote, but take off your victim's glasses first ... |
Kweli4Real |
Jul-21-10 01:40 PM |
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President Obama has moral agency; nobody "made" him make a racist choice. |
Romulox |
Jul-21-10 03:53 PM |
#94 |
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We have to separate generic and specific |
dmallind |
Jul-21-10 09:46 AM |
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The worst part is that the dominant culture sets up the concept of white privilege to be "denied" |
political_Dem |
Jul-21-10 10:01 AM |
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Excellent post |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 10:04 AM |
#52 |
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Thank you. :) I appreciate you bringing this issue up. It needs to be talked about. |
political_Dem |
Jul-21-10 10:06 AM |
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Saying that "the white working class is not the primary group oppressing people of color in this |
Romulox |
Jul-21-10 10:13 AM |
#57 |
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But poor, white people as well as their middle-class and rich counterparts still recieve |
political_Dem |
Jul-21-10 10:33 AM |
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Race is be used in this case to distract from class. |
Romulox |
Jul-21-10 11:09 AM |
#64 |
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But that's how white privilege works |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 11:17 AM |
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You're twisting yourself into knots now. The white working clas do not "benefit from a class system |
Romulox |
Jul-21-10 03:56 PM |
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I think it is pretty clear what the OP is saying. |
political_Dem |
Jul-21-10 04:24 PM |
#99 |
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You want to argue against a point that nobody is making. |
Romulox |
Jul-21-10 04:43 PM |
#106 |
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In response, there are three points I would like to make: |
political_Dem |
Jul-21-10 05:52 PM |
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Just to clarify one point-- |
Romulox |
Jul-21-10 11:12 PM |
#162 |
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You're really reveling in taking my words out of context |
MrScorpio |
Jul-22-10 09:34 AM |
#172 |
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Olive branch |
Romulox |
Jul-22-10 09:52 AM |
#173 |
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Sure... |
MrScorpio |
Jul-22-10 09:57 AM |
#174 |
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Let me get this clear: |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 06:10 PM |
#129 |
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No, that's not what I'm saying. |
Romulox |
Jul-21-10 11:19 PM |
#163 |
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I didn't say that the white working class the authors of oppression |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 11:55 PM |
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"class is also used to deny that racism and white privilege exists." |
Number23 |
Jul-21-10 07:35 PM |
#147 |
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Mr. Rock had many witty lines, but you're spot on there. |
political_Dem |
Jul-21-10 08:15 PM |
#155 |
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Sorry, but that line always rang REALLY hollow with me. |
Romulox |
Jul-21-10 11:20 PM |
#164 |
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Rings solid as hell to me. |
Number23 |
Jul-21-10 11:55 PM |
#165 |
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That line is true as hell. |
Raineyb |
Jul-22-10 12:44 AM |
#167 |
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excellent! |
handmade34 |
Jul-21-10 11:37 AM |
#72 |
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Precisely. nt |
EFerrari |
Jul-21-10 11:50 AM |
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Handmade34 and EFerrari, thank you for your compliments. :) |
political_Dem |
Jul-21-10 04:39 PM |
#103 |
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Should priviledge be color-blind? |
Borderlineanarchist |
Jul-21-10 05:05 PM |
#112 |
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Privilege has never been color blind in America |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 06:50 PM |
#138 |
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Agreed, but are you in favor of... |
Borderlineanarchist |
Jul-21-10 07:21 PM |
#143 |
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Your point is moot |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 07:24 PM |
#144 |
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I agree with you! |
Borderlineanarchist |
Jul-21-10 07:44 PM |
#148 |
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The key: |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 07:56 PM |
#152 |
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You're right, I was beating around the bush... |
Borderlineanarchist |
Jul-21-10 08:13 PM |
#154 |
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No, I don't think that quotas are the answer |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 08:20 PM |
#157 |
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Agreed again... |
Borderlineanarchist |
Jul-21-10 08:26 PM |
#159 |
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What a fantastic post. |
Number23 |
Jul-21-10 07:31 PM |
#145 |
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No problem. :) . It needed to be said. |
political_Dem |
Jul-21-10 08:18 PM |
#156 |
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K & R |
MilesColtrane |
Jul-21-10 11:52 AM |
#76 |
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They take an idea and use it to their advantage...and it WORKS! |
Rex |
Jul-21-10 12:25 PM |
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Social conditioning |
handmade34 |
Jul-21-10 02:06 PM |
#91 |
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You mean in the US. Go to Japan and you will see anti-white racism. It's a big eye opener |
McCamy Taylor |
Jul-21-10 04:48 PM |
#109 |
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SInce the thread has developed into a discussion about the nature of white privilege... |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 05:07 PM |
#113 |
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WOW! Impressive cut and paste skills! |
deaniac21 |
Jul-21-10 05:17 PM |
#115 |
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Is your post an attempt to engage in civil discourse? |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 06:07 PM |
#127 |
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For those who think white privilege doesn't exist, I have a question: |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Jul-21-10 05:35 PM |
#120 |
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I don't deny the existence of what you call white privilege. |
slackmaster |
Jul-21-10 05:41 PM |
#122 |
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How else would you phrase it? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Jul-21-10 06:09 PM |
#128 |
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I'd say that non-white people are frequently and sometimes systematically discriminated against |
slackmaster |
Jul-22-10 11:58 AM |
#177 |
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That depends. |
LostInAnomie |
Jul-21-10 06:24 PM |
#133 |
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One of the top reasons... |
MellowDem |
Jul-21-10 06:58 PM |
#140 |
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Yes, class privilege rules the roost... |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 07:20 PM |
#142 |
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They don't aknowledge privilege of any sort... |
MellowDem |
Jul-21-10 07:45 PM |
#150 |
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Everybody, if they can, should watch today's Rachel Maddow |
MrScorpio |
Jul-21-10 08:08 PM |
#153 |
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Or just listen to the voice mail left at the NAACP recently. |
Sebastian Doyle |
Jul-21-10 08:31 PM |
#160 |
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Rachel's segment was incredible. |
myrna minx |
Jul-22-10 07:50 AM |
#170 |
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Great post. |
CBR |
Jul-22-10 08:03 AM |
#171 |
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Complete and total BS. |
laureloak |
Jul-22-10 02:51 PM |
#179 |
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So, I didn't get anything right at all? |
MrScorpio |
Jul-22-10 03:39 PM |
#180 |