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83. I'm not surprised that this is your view.
You need to break it down, cuz. The number of white wealthy folks far outweighs the number of non-white wealthy folks. Why do you think that is? Could it be because...oh, I dunno...we white folks enjoy cultural privilege that our non-white brothers and sisters have been waiting centuries to have us whites confer to them?

Get a clue. Buy one. Borrow one. Jesus, I'll LOAN you one: The "have nots" exist on the crumbs of what the "haves" confer to them. It's a power thing, and power can be and is derived from a single source or from many sources: race, socioeconomic status (often as institutionalized whether it's wealthy or poverty), sexual orientation, community "standards," political affiliation, and so on.
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  -"There is no such thing as white racism, but there is plenty of non-white racism to go around" MrScorpio  Jul-21-10 08:09 AM   #0 
  - Simultaneously using the term "white privilege" and whining about "inflammatory language"  slackmaster   Jul-21-10 08:22 AM   #1 
  - You don't think that there are people who believe in and promote white privilege?  drm604   Jul-21-10 08:27 AM   #2 
  - I think the term "white privilege" is inflammatory language  slackmaster   Jul-21-10 08:32 AM   #3 
     - How is the term by itself inflammatory?  drm604   Jul-21-10 08:42 AM   #9 
     - Self-evident IMO. It implies that the privileges of white people are not deserved.  slackmaster   Jul-21-10 08:45 AM   #12 
     - It is not the least bit self-evident.  drm604   Jul-21-10 08:58 AM   #20 
     - Yes it is.  LaydeeBug   Jul-21-10 09:10 AM   #29 
        - What?  drm604   Jul-21-10 09:17 AM   #34 
        - And "color rich folk" (whatever that is) get arrested, too.  AspenRose   Jul-21-10 09:44 AM   #47 
           - We have a black President now  Borderlineanarchist   Jul-21-10 04:46 PM   #108 
              - The trick is that white privilege isn't going away because we have a black president  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 05:15 PM   #114 
                 - Do you really believe that?  Borderlineanarchist   Jul-21-10 06:24 PM   #132 
                    - The difference is that, if Obama was white...  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 07:08 PM   #141 
                       - I do not deny there are morons in this country..  Borderlineanarchist   Jul-21-10 07:34 PM   #146 
                          - Taking more shit? You bet  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 07:45 PM   #149 
                             - Okay, I did not live in D.C during the Clinton era...  Borderlineanarchist   Jul-21-10 07:56 PM   #151 
                                - I'm afraid that you have to be a little bit more specific, and so do I  MrScorpio   Jul-22-10 01:12 AM   #168 
     - Please name a priviage that white people deserve to have.  slampoet   Jul-21-10 12:22 PM   #87 
     - Please name a privilege that poor white people have.  Confusious   Jul-21-10 06:26 PM   #134 
        - Easier to get a cab.  slampoet   Jul-21-10 06:53 PM   #139 
           - Wouldn't it better to say that we all deserve those priliveges  Confusious   Jul-21-10 08:23 PM   #158 
              - Maybe but i said NEITHER  slampoet   Jul-21-10 09:46 PM   #161 
     - "The problem isn't that white people get too much..."  KansDem   Jul-21-10 06:14 PM   #130 
     - Because he doesn't want to admit that non white people are treated as less than.  Raineyb   Jul-21-10 03:42 PM   #93 
        - Straw Man  slackmaster   Jul-21-10 04:54 PM   #110 
           - Apparently, you just can't admit that white people are treated better because  Raineyb   Jul-21-10 05:31 PM   #118 
              - I've never been personally treated better than anyone else because of my white skin  slackmaster   Jul-21-10 05:33 PM   #119 
                 - Not a straw man at all. I mentioned your proclivity to deny it when I first commented.  Raineyb   Jul-21-10 06:15 PM   #131 
                    - Another ad hominem  slackmaster   Jul-22-10 11:54 AM   #175 
     - white privilage goes beyond  handmade34   Jul-21-10 08:44 AM   #11 
     - Lots of appeals to "isness" but no real meat to back them up  slackmaster   Jul-21-10 08:46 AM   #14 
     - The truth is often inflammatory.  Heidi   Jul-21-10 08:46 AM   #13 
     - I think everyone else deserved the good fortune that you feel was being dispensed to you  slackmaster   Jul-21-10 08:56 AM   #19 
     - That's why it's an issue.  uncommon   Jul-21-10 09:11 AM   #30 
     - More appeals to "isness". More labels, still no substance.  slackmaster   Jul-21-10 10:08 AM   #54 
     - That may be true ...  Kweli4Real   Jul-21-10 10:49 AM   #61 
     - I don't believe I've ever had anything good handed to me because of my race  slackmaster   Jul-21-10 05:01 PM   #111 
     - Where can I get some of this good fortune?  Confusious   Jul-21-10 06:30 PM   #136 
     - I certainly think that, too. But us believing this does NOT mean white privilege doesn't exist.  Heidi   Jul-21-10 12:09 PM   #84 
     - Compared to wealth privilege, education privilege and even non-disabled privilege.  SunnySong   Jul-21-10 09:17 AM   #35 
     - But it still gets plenty of bang for the buck  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 09:23 AM   #37 
     - It's fairly useless on its own... just ask a homeless person or Walmart Greeter  SunnySong   Jul-21-10 09:27 AM   #39 
        - It's all part of the big picture, isn't it?  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 09:28 AM   #41 
     - I've been a victim of "youth privilege" at least twice in my working career  slackmaster   Jul-21-10 11:54 AM   #78 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-21-10 12:04 PM   #82 
     - I'm not surprised that this is your view.  Heidi   Jul-21-10 12:08 PM   #83 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-21-10 12:15 PM   #85 
           - More regular whites should own up to how they've benefitted from white privilege.  Heidi   Jul-21-10 12:20 PM   #86 
              - Most of us probably couldn't identify specific examples  One_Life_To_Give   Jul-21-10 01:53 PM   #90 
                 - I can't think of a single example of having discrimination work to my advantage  slackmaster   Jul-21-10 04:42 PM   #104 
                    - But one can say:  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 06:36 PM   #137 
     - What would that privilege be? nt  Confusious   Jul-21-10 06:28 PM   #135 
     - You are kidding, right? Everyone deserves  uncommon   Jul-21-10 09:09 AM   #28 
     - The fact that the term inflames me is sufficient for me to call it inflammatory  slackmaster   Jul-21-10 11:54 AM   #79 
        - If I were to show you source material written by white people on the subject...  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 05:19 PM   #116 
           - If I saw that kind of thing attributed to a white writer, I'd think the writer had a chip...  slackmaster   Jul-21-10 05:27 PM   #117 
              - and what would be the source of that chip?  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 06:05 PM   #126 
                 - I wouldn't bother trying to analyze it  slackmaster   Jul-22-10 11:56 AM   #176 
                    - Well, ok. That's nice to know  MrScorpio   Jul-22-10 02:21 PM   #178 
     - getting picked first or paid more because you are white is NOT a human right.  bettyellen   Jul-21-10 04:26 PM   #100 
        - I don't believe that has ever happened to me.  slackmaster   Jul-21-10 04:42 PM   #105 
           - why should you know or care, right? why believe recorded history, when this is all about YOU really?  bettyellen   Jul-22-10 07:23 AM   #169 
  - "White Privilege" is a fact; hence,  Dogtown   Jul-21-10 08:33 AM   #4 
  - Yeah well, that's just, ya know, like, your opinion, man.  slackmaster   Jul-21-10 08:35 AM   #5 
     - Yes, it is  Dogtown   Jul-21-10 08:37 AM   #6 
        - My opinion's the opposite, mostly because this isn't about racial lines, it's about an underclass,  LaydeeBug   Jul-21-10 09:06 AM   #24 
           - You're entitled to your opinion.  Dogtown   Jul-21-10 11:55 AM   #80 
  - So, I take that, in your mind, the promotion of white privilege is non existent?  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 08:40 AM   #8 
  - Is your solution to the problem of racism, to take something away from white people?  slackmaster   Jul-21-10 08:48 AM   #15 
  - Let's make sure that I'm clear about what I'm saying  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 09:06 AM   #23 
  - I've been white all my life, and I grew up in an affluent community  slackmaster   Jul-21-10 10:09 AM   #55 
     - Well, I see where you're coming from...  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 10:43 AM   #59 
        - Last time I took a friend to a welfare office, about half the people in the waiting area were white  slackmaster   Jul-21-10 11:32 AM   #70 
           - So are you saying that the meritocracy works as touted?  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 11:47 AM   #73 
              - I think that racial discrimination is an important factor, but not the only imporant factor  slackmaster   Jul-21-10 04:37 PM   #102 
                 - The prisms by which we see the world show each of us different colors  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 06:04 PM   #125 
  - Speaking for myself: Yes, absolutely.  uncommon   Jul-21-10 09:13 AM   #31 
     - That's a great example of what I've heard referred to as "white guilt"  slackmaster   Jul-21-10 10:10 AM   #56 
        - I don't feel guilty, I just know I didn't earn it.  uncommon   Jul-21-10 11:23 AM   #67 
           - And thus don't think I am entitled to it.  uncommon   Jul-21-10 11:23 AM   #68 
           - I think I earned and am entitled to everything I have  slackmaster   Jul-21-10 11:36 AM   #71 
  - The facts are  notesdev   Jul-21-10 08:48 AM   #16 
     - This "is" that, blah blah blah  slackmaster   Jul-21-10 08:48 AM   #17 
  - I would have suggested reading (white guy) Tim Wise on the subject  AspenRose   Jul-21-10 09:41 AM   # 
  - How about suggesting this YouTube vid to him instead?  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 09:45 AM   #48 
  - Wow ... Did I stumble into VDare this morning ...  Kweli4Real   Jul-21-10 10:44 AM   #60 
  - You don't understand it  JonLP24   Jul-21-10 10:52 AM   #62 
  - White privilege exists  Generic Other   Jul-21-10 11:48 AM   #74 
  - Why, thank you. I had almost forgotten to recommend.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-21-10 11:53 AM   #77 
  - I just negated your petulent unrec...  ProudDad   Jul-21-10 05:36 PM   #121 
  - They pine woefully for the good old days when everyone knew their place  lunatica   Jul-21-10 08:38 AM   #7 
  - Misogyny and homophobia are extensions of the same dynamic  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 08:42 AM   #10 
     - Precisely!  uncommon   Jul-21-10 09:14 AM   #33 
  - In broad generality . . .  Morning Dew   Jul-21-10 08:54 AM   #18 
  - That's exactly correct  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 09:08 AM   #27 
  - That's perfectly stated.  AspenRose   Jul-21-10 09:49 AM   #50 
  - Wish I could rec your response. nt  uncommon   Jul-21-10 11:24 AM   #69 
  - Fail. Epic. Fail. Racism is racism is racism, the idea that it's not possible  LaydeeBug   Jul-21-10 09:03 AM   #21 
  - It's actually scapegoating, since Obama, Breitbart, Vilsack, et al.  Romulox   Jul-21-10 09:06 AM   #25 
  - Racism is specific to the group that holds power  Generic Other   Jul-21-10 12:02 PM   #81 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-21-10 03:34 PM   #92 
  - You cannot be for real.  Raineyb   Jul-21-10 03:59 PM   #96 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-21-10 04:29 PM   #101 
     - Hell no I can't. You want a cookie for doing what the fuck you're supposed to do?  Raineyb   Jul-21-10 04:45 PM   #107 
  - Hardly "racial enlightenment"...  ProudDad   Jul-21-10 05:45 PM   #123 
  - I don't believe the definition supports your assertion  MajorChode   Jul-21-10 04:21 PM   #98 
  - There is no such thing as 'reverse racism'  MajorChode   Jul-21-10 04:04 PM   #97 
  - The privilege we aren't supposed to talk about is the privilege of class  Romulox   Jul-21-10 09:04 AM   #22 
  - + eleven gazillion, because it could not have been said better. nt  LaydeeBug   Jul-21-10 09:07 AM   #26 
  - All I'm saying is that the promotion of white privilege is a tool  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 09:14 AM   #32 
  - You and I live in the same community...  Romulox   Jul-21-10 09:34 AM   #44 
  - I disagree. In my experience I've seen the worst bigotry among working class  lunatica   Jul-21-10 09:21 AM   #36 
  - Which is what I've been saying  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 09:26 AM   #38 
  - This statement would work as well to the man in the mirror  Romulox   Jul-21-10 09:29 AM   #42 
  - The people who promote it are the beneficiaries of racism  lunatica   Jul-21-10 09:33 AM   #43 
  - Like the men and women who made the decision to kill millions of Iraqis and Afghanis?  Romulox   Jul-21-10 09:28 AM   #40 
     - There's no need to read minds when racists are talking at you behind their hands  lunatica   Jul-21-10 09:37 AM   #45 
        - Um, ketchup?  Romulox   Jul-21-10 09:41 AM   #46 
  - I beg to differ ..  Kweli4Real   Jul-21-10 11:00 AM   #63 
     - Unless Tom Vilsack, Barack Obama, and Andy Breitbart are "working class whites", you're demonstrably  Romulox   Jul-21-10 11:10 AM   #65 
        - Read what I wrote, but take off your victim's glasses first ...  Kweli4Real   Jul-21-10 01:40 PM   #89 
           - President Obama has moral agency; nobody "made" him make a racist choice.  Romulox   Jul-21-10 03:53 PM   #94 
  - We have to separate generic and specific  dmallind   Jul-21-10 09:46 AM   #49 
  - The worst part is that the dominant culture sets up the concept of white privilege to be "denied"  political_Dem   Jul-21-10 10:01 AM   #51 
  - Excellent post  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 10:04 AM   #52 
  - Thank you. :) I appreciate you bringing this issue up. It needs to be talked about.  political_Dem   Jul-21-10 10:06 AM   #53 
  - Saying that "the white working class is not the primary group oppressing people of color in this  Romulox   Jul-21-10 10:13 AM   #57 
  - But poor, white people as well as their middle-class and rich counterparts still recieve  political_Dem   Jul-21-10 10:33 AM   #58 
     - Race is be used in this case to distract from class.  Romulox   Jul-21-10 11:09 AM   #64 
     - But that's how white privilege works  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 11:17 AM   #66 
        - You're twisting yourself into knots now. The white working clas do not "benefit from a class system  Romulox   Jul-21-10 03:56 PM   #95 
           - I think it is pretty clear what the OP is saying.  political_Dem   Jul-21-10 04:24 PM   #99 
           - You want to argue against a point that nobody is making.  Romulox   Jul-21-10 04:43 PM   #106 
              - In response, there are three points I would like to make:  political_Dem   Jul-21-10 05:52 PM   #124 
                 - Just to clarify one point--  Romulox   Jul-21-10 11:12 PM   #162 
                    - You're really reveling in taking my words out of context  MrScorpio   Jul-22-10 09:34 AM   #172 
                       - Olive branch  Romulox   Jul-22-10 09:52 AM   #173 
                          - Sure...  MrScorpio   Jul-22-10 09:57 AM   #174 
           - Let me get this clear:  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 06:10 PM   #129 
              - No, that's not what I'm saying.  Romulox   Jul-21-10 11:19 PM   #163 
                 - I didn't say that the white working class the authors of oppression  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 11:55 PM   #166 
     - "class is also used to deny that racism and white privilege exists."  Number23   Jul-21-10 07:35 PM   #147 
        - Mr. Rock had many witty lines, but you're spot on there.  political_Dem   Jul-21-10 08:15 PM   #155 
        - Sorry, but that line always rang REALLY hollow with me.  Romulox   Jul-21-10 11:20 PM   #164 
           - Rings solid as hell to me.  Number23   Jul-21-10 11:55 PM   #165 
           - That line is true as hell.  Raineyb   Jul-22-10 12:44 AM   #167 
  - excellent!  handmade34   Jul-21-10 11:37 AM   #72 
  - Precisely. nt  EFerrari   Jul-21-10 11:50 AM   #75 
  - Handmade34 and EFerrari, thank you for your compliments. :)  political_Dem   Jul-21-10 04:39 PM   #103 
  - Should priviledge be color-blind?  Borderlineanarchist   Jul-21-10 05:05 PM   #112 
  - Privilege has never been color blind in America  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 06:50 PM   #138 
     - Agreed, but are you in favor of...  Borderlineanarchist   Jul-21-10 07:21 PM   #143 
        - Your point is moot  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 07:24 PM   #144 
           - I agree with you!  Borderlineanarchist   Jul-21-10 07:44 PM   #148 
              - The key:  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 07:56 PM   #152 
                 - You're right, I was beating around the bush...  Borderlineanarchist   Jul-21-10 08:13 PM   #154 
                    - No, I don't think that quotas are the answer  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 08:20 PM   #157 
                       - Agreed again...  Borderlineanarchist   Jul-21-10 08:26 PM   #159 
  - What a fantastic post.  Number23   Jul-21-10 07:31 PM   #145 
     - No problem. :) . It needed to be said.  political_Dem   Jul-21-10 08:18 PM   #156 
  - K & R  MilesColtrane   Jul-21-10 11:52 AM   #76 
  - They take an idea and use it to their advantage...and it WORKS!  Rex   Jul-21-10 12:25 PM   #88 
  - Social conditioning  handmade34   Jul-21-10 02:06 PM   #91 
  - You mean in the US. Go to Japan and you will see anti-white racism. It's a big eye opener  McCamy Taylor   Jul-21-10 04:48 PM   #109 
  - SInce the thread has developed into a discussion about the nature of white privilege...  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 05:07 PM   #113 
  - WOW! Impressive cut and paste skills!  deaniac21   Jul-21-10 05:17 PM   #115 
     - Is your post an attempt to engage in civil discourse?  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 06:07 PM   #127 
  - For those who think white privilege doesn't exist, I have a question:  Starbucks Anarchist   Jul-21-10 05:35 PM   #120 
  - I don't deny the existence of what you call white privilege.  slackmaster   Jul-21-10 05:41 PM   #122 
  - How else would you phrase it?  Starbucks Anarchist   Jul-21-10 06:09 PM   #128 
     - I'd say that non-white people are frequently and sometimes systematically discriminated against  slackmaster   Jul-22-10 11:58 AM   #177 
  - That depends.  LostInAnomie   Jul-21-10 06:24 PM   #133 
  - One of the top reasons...  MellowDem   Jul-21-10 06:58 PM   #140 
  - Yes, class privilege rules the roost...  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 07:20 PM   #142 
     - They don't aknowledge privilege of any sort...  MellowDem   Jul-21-10 07:45 PM   #150 
  - Everybody, if they can, should watch today's Rachel Maddow  MrScorpio   Jul-21-10 08:08 PM   #153 
  - Or just listen to the voice mail left at the NAACP recently.  Sebastian Doyle   Jul-21-10 08:31 PM   #160 
  - Rachel's segment was incredible.  myrna minx   Jul-22-10 07:50 AM   #170 
  - Great post.  CBR   Jul-22-10 08:03 AM   #171 
  - Complete and total BS.  laureloak   Jul-22-10 02:51 PM   #179 
     - So, I didn't get anything right at all?  MrScorpio   Jul-22-10 03:39 PM   #180 
 

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