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Wed Jul-21-10 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #26 |
| 29. Thanks. You said what I said in a lot less words. |
| -isn't slavery a compelling argument against "let the free market reign"? |
unblock |
Jul-21-10 07:45 AM |
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Some rightwing libertarians defend the confederacy |
Warren Stupidity |
Jul-21-10 07:56 AM |
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right, there's a difference between slavery and indentured servitude in that sense. |
unblock |
Jul-21-10 09:27 AM |
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Slaves never entered into a contract. |
Statistical |
Jul-21-10 09:52 AM |
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Those are two related arguments, not one. |
Warren Stupidity |
Jul-21-10 06:28 PM |
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Slavery would never have ended. |
Statistical |
Jul-22-10 07:49 AM |
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Slavery dwindles with the tractor. |
Warren Stupidity |
Jul-22-10 07:53 AM |
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The only thing I can think of that potentially could have ended slavery non-violently ... |
Statistical |
Jul-22-10 08:25 AM |
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Some liberals too |
mdmc |
Jul-22-10 06:44 AM |
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That is a most dubious assertion. |
Warren Stupidity |
Jul-22-10 07:52 AM |
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Along with child labor, a "free" market means that your company is free |
DailyGrind51 |
Jul-21-10 08:07 AM |
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I never thought of it that way but I think you have a good point. |
drm604 |
Jul-21-10 08:16 AM |
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Capitalism does not recognize the difference between a wrench..... |
FredStembottom |
Jul-21-10 10:21 AM |
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A ref doesn't help |
notesdev |
Jul-21-10 08:22 AM |
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right, as i said, the government has to be able and willing to enforce the rules |
unblock |
Jul-21-10 09:11 AM |
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Generally speaking free markets don't violate fundemantal rights. |
Statistical |
Jul-21-10 08:26 AM |
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Properly regulated free markets may not violate fundamental rights, |
drm604 |
Jul-21-10 08:39 AM |
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on the contrary, from an economic point of view, robbing falls into the same category |
unblock |
Jul-21-10 09:20 AM |
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"hence robbery and slavery cannot be reconciled with capitalism" |
Statistical |
Jul-21-10 09:44 AM |
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i think we're differing only on terminology |
unblock |
Jul-21-10 10:26 AM |
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That I agree with. |
Statistical |
Jul-21-10 10:40 AM |
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i've read adam smith, though college was a long time ago |
unblock |
Jul-21-10 11:09 AM |
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In a truly efficient market, whoever wants the item most will pay the most to acquire/defend it |
Romulox |
Jul-21-10 10:09 AM |
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No it isn't. |
Statistical |
Jul-21-10 10:12 AM |
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The distinction between economic violence and physical violence is bogus. |
Romulox |
Jul-21-10 10:18 AM |
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Just because someone does something doesn't mean that it is part of the system. |
Statistical |
Jul-21-10 10:26 AM |
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The problem with prescriptive definitions is that you describe an ideal, a fantasy |
Romulox |
Jul-21-10 10:32 AM |
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Free markets aren't the same thing as capitalism. |
Statistical |
Jul-21-10 10:45 AM |
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I wouldn't say that slavery is the absence of regulation |
The2ndWheel |
Jul-21-10 09:44 AM |
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In a free market, why shouldn't a man be free to use violence to get what he wants? |
Romulox |
Jul-21-10 10:04 AM |
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No. |
Statistical |
Jul-21-10 10:10 AM |
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You're using passive voice here. |
Romulox |
Jul-21-10 10:23 AM |
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Adam Smith even aknowledges that perfect free markets have never existed. |
Statistical |
Jul-21-10 10:32 AM |
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The point is that analytical model is self-contradictory |
Romulox |
Jul-21-10 10:41 AM |
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Walmart has lower prices as a result of not paying that cost. |
Statistical |
Jul-21-10 10:51 AM |
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Efficiency dictates that producers and consumers pay their own way |
Romulox |
Jul-21-10 04:47 PM |
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It would be more efficient for each actor to purchase everything themselves? |
Statistical |
Jul-22-10 07:43 AM |
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I said "pay", not "purchase". It's clear that "true capitalism" is as malleable as playdough- |
Romulox |
Jul-22-10 09:10 AM |
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Of course they are free markets. |
Statistical |
Jul-22-10 09:52 AM |
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In my prescriptive definition they are not. |
Romulox |
Jul-22-10 09:54 AM |
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Good example. It's child labor & the 7-day workweek combined. |
DirkGently |
Jul-21-10 10:21 AM |
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You have it backwards. |
Nye Bevan |
Jul-21-10 10:41 AM |
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Thanks. You said what I said in a lot less words. |
Statistical |
Jul-21-10 10:53 AM |
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what i'm saying is that the market won't be free unless the government ensures that it is so. |
unblock |
Jul-21-10 11:25 AM |
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A functioning free market requires secure property rights, enforceable contracts |
Nye Bevan |
Jul-21-10 11:40 AM |
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On that same token, one is better off starting a business in Germany or Sweden than the U.S. |
brentspeak |
Jul-22-10 10:06 AM |
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Yes, if slavery only exists in societies with "free markets". n/t |
pampango |
Jul-21-10 11:58 AM |
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the existence of government-supported slavery has nothing to do with this |
unblock |
Jul-21-10 12:02 PM |
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A free market is also a free labor market. |
seattleblue |
Jul-21-10 05:05 PM |
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left to their own devices, companies would and have engaged in slavery |
unblock |
Jul-21-10 09:01 PM |
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In economic history I have not seen evidence of that. |
seattleblue |
Jul-22-10 12:22 AM |
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slavery exists TODAY, right here in AMERICA: |
unblock |
Jul-22-10 06:42 AM |
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Your link had no link to the "2004 UC Berkeley study" |
seattleblue |
Jul-22-10 01:34 PM |
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The free labor market -- globalization -- has resulted in a new, modern-day feudalism |
brentspeak |
Jul-22-10 10:13 AM |
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I think most of that is correct |
seattleblue |
Jul-22-10 01:37 PM |
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The marriage of corporations and government is slavery |
MikeNY |
Jul-22-10 04:19 AM |
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all that consolidation happened under the guise of DEregulation |
unblock |
Jul-22-10 06:34 AM |
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True but lets not make a mistake about what makes govt possible |
MikeNY |
Jul-23-10 12:09 AM |
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An acutal free market would not allow slavery |
PVnRT |
Jul-22-10 06:48 AM |
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exactly! that's what i've been trying to say |
unblock |
Jul-22-10 07:07 AM |
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Let me just adress slavery |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jul-23-10 12:12 AM |
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