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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 09:37 PM
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4. What our leaders were thinking
Was probably something along the lines of "An invasion of Japan will kill 3 million people".

Also, "The firebomb campaigns we've been using are more deadly than this nuclear bomb, so now we can destroy the city without killing as many people".
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  -August 6th, 65 years ago. Archae  Jul-18-10 09:31 PM   #0 
  - My Grandfather in law  Ishoutandscream2   Jul-18-10 09:35 PM   #1 
  - My father contends to this day that we would not be here if it were not for the bomb  liberal N proud   Jul-18-10 09:35 PM   #2 
  - my dad too. my dad and his brother were in the pacific fleet and  roguevalley   Jul-19-10 12:00 AM   #23 
  - I remember the actual day. There was joy in my neighborhood in the  virgogal   Jul-18-10 09:35 PM   #3 
  - What our leaders were thinking  Recursion   Jul-18-10 09:37 PM   #4 
  - The bomb was also brand new.  amandabeech   Jul-19-10 12:06 AM   #25 
  - My father fought through the Pacific theater.  Ozymanithrax   Jul-18-10 09:40 PM   #5 
  - I wrestle with the bomb in my head often  av8rdave   Jul-18-10 09:45 PM   #6 
  - Fire bombing  Hawkowl   Jul-19-10 01:06 AM   #33 
     - Well put.  av8rdave   Jul-19-10 08:25 AM   #38 
  - hmmmm....  unkachuck   Jul-18-10 09:51 PM   #7 
  - Hiroshima was a part of the war.  Archae   Jul-18-10 10:10 PM   #11 
  - But an invasion of Japan would likely have killed many times more civilians.  nomorenomore08   Jul-18-10 10:53 PM   #19 
  - "...an invasion of Japan would likely have killed many times more civilians."  unkachuck   Jul-19-10 09:00 PM   #62 
  - carpet bombing the country as they did in Germany could have  roguevalley   Jul-19-10 12:04 AM   #24 
  - Japan WAS "carpet bombed"  Hawkowl   Jul-19-10 01:12 AM   #35 
     - Thats the point. The Bomb killed half as many people as napalming Tokyo  Recursion   Jul-19-10 08:21 AM   #37 
  - Hiroshima was part of the war.  proteus_lives   Jul-19-10 12:23 AM   #29 
  - Three points  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-19-10 12:28 AM   #30 
  - Did the Japanese refrain from attacking civilian targets, or was that a "white man's burden"?  Romulox   Jul-19-10 04:23 PM   #54 
     - then 911 was justified....n/t  unkachuck   Jul-19-10 09:03 PM   #63 
        - I have no idea what "justified" means.  Romulox   Jul-20-10 07:52 AM   #65 
  - I was born after the war.  SheilaT   Jul-18-10 09:54 PM   #8 
  - Life Magazine is archived online.  pengillian101   Jul-18-10 10:31 PM   #15 
     - It's not the same.  SheilaT   Jul-19-10 02:57 PM   #52 
        - I just checked the site and you can read issue by issue  RamboLiberal   Jul-19-10 05:01 PM   #59 
           - Aha! I navigated it wrong and didn't  SheilaT   Jul-19-10 10:33 PM   #64 
  - As i read through the posts I was thinking  Angry Dragon   Jul-18-10 09:55 PM   #9 
  - It was the best card in a bad hand.  proteus_lives   Jul-18-10 10:01 PM   #10 
  - Why did there have to be an invasion?  reformist2   Jul-18-10 10:23 PM   #14 
     - The Allies were confronted with several unsavory options.  proteus_lives   Jul-19-10 12:20 AM   #28 
  - Watch the video in this link,  maryf   Jul-18-10 10:17 PM   #12 
  - It used to bother me until I watched The Pacific by Steven Spielberg and Tom Hanks  lunatica   Jul-18-10 10:21 PM   #13 
  - there are videos of people jumping off cliffs because they thought  roguevalley   Jul-19-10 12:07 AM   #26 
  - My opinion has always been  MicaelS   Jul-18-10 10:41 PM   #16 
  - My Dad was on a submarine in the Pacific for the last year of the war  csziggy   Jul-18-10 10:45 PM   #17 
  - same with my uncles and cousins. my uncle made it as far as  roguevalley   Jul-19-10 12:09 AM   #27 
  - My uncle was on the USS Trigger.  Scurrilous   Jul-21-10 02:03 AM   #67 
  - 'tis the Season!  slackmaster   Jul-18-10 10:50 PM   #18 
  - My father was scheduled to be part of the invasion of Japan.  Recovered Repug   Jul-18-10 10:59 PM   #20 
  - My grandfather was a pilot in the Pacific Theater  spiritual_gunfighter   Jul-18-10 11:07 PM   #21 
  - My Dad was a young 1st Lt. and  verges   Jul-18-10 11:12 PM   #22 
  - This is not well known  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-19-10 12:35 AM   #31 
     - I never knew that....  MicaelS   Jul-19-10 01:07 AM   #34 
     - Most people know of US particpation in the war  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-19-10 01:51 PM   #46 
     - Thanks for sharing that memory .  pengillian101   Jul-19-10 01:34 AM   #36 
  - The Japanese didn't ratify the Geneva Convention before WWII  Dreamer Tatum   Jul-19-10 12:35 AM   #32 
  - "I am become Death, the shatter of worlds"  Odin2005   Jul-19-10 08:28 AM   #39 
  - Men studied physics for 300 years and what they came up with . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-19-10 04:56 PM   #57 
  - There is strong historical evidence that the A-bomb was not the primary reason for Japan's surrender  jimlup   Jul-19-10 08:56 AM   #40 
  - Go read up on Japan's military history before you start tossing "war crime" around  Dreamer Tatum   Jul-19-10 11:06 AM   #41 
     - I have actually, rather extensively  jimlup   Jul-19-10 02:38 PM   #49 
        - I see. Proof by way of Capitalization.  Dreamer Tatum   Jul-19-10 02:41 PM   #50 
           - You guess wrong...  jimlup   Jul-19-10 02:47 PM   #51 
              - You will NEVER convince me that Hiroshima/Nagasaki were war crimes.  Dreamer Tatum   Jul-19-10 04:19 PM   #53 
                 - That you are so completely closed to even considering the possiblity sorta makes my case...  jimlup   Jul-19-10 04:43 PM   #55 
  - I salute our leaders for doing it.  VMI Dem   Jul-19-10 11:08 AM   #42 
  - Nice avatar  tjwash   Jul-19-10 11:16 AM   #43 
     - Thanks.  VMI Dem   Jul-19-10 11:20 AM   #44 
     - With A-bombs, correct.  Archae   Jul-19-10 01:38 PM   #45 
     - It stands for peace, not pacifism.  closeupready   Jul-19-10 01:58 PM   #48 
  - I'm with your uncle. It's not like Pearl Harbor had banners, "Japan, come bomb me!"  closeupready   Jul-19-10 01:53 PM   #47 
  - Japan was ready to surrender . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-19-10 04:53 PM   #56 
  - Well, you got that wrong. No surprises here.  proteus_lives   Jul-19-10 05:39 PM   #60 
     - Yep -- I'm sure Ike and the gang had no idea what they were dealing with -- !!  defendandprotect   Jul-21-10 04:36 PM   #68 
  - My father swore that he only survived the war because of the bomb.  Old Troop   Jul-19-10 05:01 PM   #58 
  - My father was in the Pacific in the Phillipines in August with  mohinoaklawnillinois   Jul-19-10 07:26 PM   #61 
  - I think it is a very unhealthy trend for we in the West to play into Japan's WWII victim revisionism  Romulox   Jul-20-10 07:56 AM   #66 
     - Very good point. A significant number of Korean slaves and allied  Old Troop   Jul-21-10 05:02 PM   #69 
     - +1000  WolverineDG   Jul-21-10 05:03 PM   #70 
 

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