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108. Pentagon Deceit on Media Manipulation Confirmed
Big Brass Bull: Pentagon Deceit on Media Manipulation Confirmed

A few days ago, we noted the revelations by Stars and Stripes that the Pentagon was using a shadowy PR firm to identify the political leanings of journalists trying to cover the "Good War" in Afghanistan (as well as the "Forgotten War" in Iraq). The idea, clearly, was to encourage and reward "pro-war" reporters while planting a big red flag on the backs of any writers considered less than gung-ho about the imperial bloodshed in Muslim lands.

Naturally, the Pentagon denied that the vetting program operated by the Rendon Group which was hired by the Bush gang to help instigate the mass murder in Iraq was in any way a sinister, slimy attempt to manipulate the news in order to make the endless slaughter of the Terror War more palatable for the folks back home. Perish the thought! declared the brass. Why, goodness mercy me, the only aim of the program is to help reporters tell the truth, and let the chips fall where they may. As Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman put it after S&S first broke the story: "Its a good article if its accurate. Its a bad article if its inaccurate. Thats the only measurement that we use here at the Defense Department." Makes you want to puddle up, don't it?

Well, Stars and Stripes has done something almost unheard-of in modern journalism followed up on a story with a skeptical stance toward the bland assurances of authority and guess what they found? Go ahead, try you'll never guess. They found that the Pentagon was lying! From S&S:

Contrary to the insistence of Pentagon officials this week that they are not rating the work of reporters covering U.S. forces in Afghanistan, Stars and Stripes has obtained documents that prove that reporters coverage is being graded as positive, neutral or negative. Moreover, the documents recent confidential profiles of the work of individual reporters prepared by a Pentagon contractor indicate that the ratings are intended to help Pentagon image-makers manipulate the types of stories that reporters produce while they are embedded with U.S. troops in Afghanistan..." ...

DOD Spends More on Domestic PsyOps Than On Foreign PsyOps
By: emptywheel Friday February 6, 2009 1:16 pm

"The AP just did a great investigation on how much money DOD is spending on PR and outreach (via Noah Shachtman). There are lots of nausea-inducing details in the story: that PR funds have grown 63% in the last five years, that DOD has almost as many people working in PR as the State Department employs altogether.

But what gets me is that DOD is spending more for Domestic PsyOps (otherwise known as Public Affairs) than it spends on Foreign PsyOps.

The biggest chunk of funds about $1.6 billion goes into recruitment and advertising. Another $547 million goes into public affairs, which reaches American audiences. And about $489 million more goes into what is known as psychological operations, which targets foreign audiences...

...But on Dec. 12, the Pentagon's inspector general released an audit finding that the public affairs office may have crossed the line into propaganda. The audit found the Department of Defense "may appear to merge inappropriately" its public affairs with operations that try to influence audiences abroad. It also found that while only 89 positions were authorized for public affairs, 126 government employees and 31 contractors worked there."

Just my dos centavos

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  -"...Otherwise we will cut off the heads of your children and will set fire to your daughter." Robb  Jul-17-10 09:23 AM   #0 
  - While it's sad, it's really not our problem.  chrisa   Jul-17-10 09:33 AM   #1 
  - yeah - they're just women. n/t  mzteris   Jul-17-10 01:14 PM   #86 
     - Do you support invasions  JonLP24   Jul-17-10 04:01 PM   #112 
     - We can't be the world police.  chrisa   Jul-17-10 04:53 PM   #116 
     - We can't help women by continuing to fight.  Ken Burch   Jul-17-10 11:05 PM   #135 
     - Well you could always enlist if you feel that strongly.  dkf   Jul-18-10 11:03 AM   #150 
        - i'm an old woman - they wouldn't take me. n/t  mzteris   Jul-18-10 08:15 PM   #153 
           - Any kids, nieces or nephews you can send?  dkf   Jul-18-10 10:09 PM   #154 
              - yeah, cause they're just women... not worth it. gotcha.  mzteris   Jul-19-10 08:06 AM   #155 
  - The most fucking ridiculous aspect of the whole fiasco we have in the occupation, that and our own  lonestarnot   Jul-17-10 09:35 AM   #2 
  - Prior to 9/11 the most legitimate reason to eliminate the Taliban was womens rights.  Renew Deal   Jul-17-10 10:07 AM   #12 
     - Incredible isn't it.  lonestarnot   Jul-17-10 10:10 AM   #13 
     - Something has changed, now we are killing women and children  sabrina 1   Jul-17-10 11:52 AM   #66 
     - Apples and oranges... there is no comparison. nt  SunnySong   Jul-17-10 12:23 PM   #76 
     - why should the US "kill those fucks"?  another saigon   Jul-17-10 12:45 PM   #80 
  - they should ask pakistan how that has worked out.  ejpoeta   Jul-17-10 09:41 AM   #3 
  - The US's interests do not involve the issues you cite  Stinky The Clown   Jul-17-10 09:43 AM   #4 
  - oh, c'mon man. it's totally worth bankrupting this county for!  KG   Jul-17-10 09:53 AM   #7 
  - The safety and welfare of these people should be an interest to you  NJmaverick   Jul-17-10 10:15 AM   #15 
     - The poster didn't say that it wasn't  JonLP24   Jul-17-10 10:42 AM   #19 
     - I think if you want to properly debate the issue we need to not dismiss important  NJmaverick   Jul-17-10 10:44 AM   #20 
        - There isn't an issue I brung up  JonLP24   Jul-17-10 10:51 AM   #28 
           - What matters is that we address the ALL the pros and cons of leaving vs staying  NJmaverick   Jul-17-10 10:53 AM   #31 
              - Address that to the poster  JonLP24   Jul-17-10 10:58 AM   #33 
                 - So we agree, why don't you help by now jumping in and also addressing  NJmaverick   Jul-17-10 10:59 AM   #35 
                    - What did we agree on?  JonLP24   Jul-17-10 11:04 AM   #38 
     - Nope not interested any more than I was about the Killing Fields or Rawanda...  SunnySong   Jul-17-10 12:25 PM   #77 
     - The US helped to create the Taliban or at least armed and trained them  NJmaverick   Jul-17-10 02:33 PM   #105 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-17-10 07:54 PM   #127 
     - we can't make the whole world obey US law ,nt  Kringle   Jul-18-10 02:19 AM   #138 
     - If anyone cares about the safety and well-being of any  sabrina 1   Jul-18-10 05:50 AM   #140 
        - Mladić was certainly pissed off that NATO "invaded," too.  Robb   Jul-18-10 08:29 AM   #146 
  - It's heart breaking - but I am not convinced occupying them will change it. Nt  xchrom   Jul-17-10 09:46 AM   #5 
  - isn't not stopping it now.  KG   Jul-17-10 09:52 AM   #6 
  - Well, the U.S. just had to go in and stop the Soviets from  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-17-10 10:02 AM   #8 
  - It was less about putting down "Marxists" in Afghanistan  Robb   Jul-17-10 11:06 AM   #41 
     - It was the era of messing around in Latin America and Africa for the same reason  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-17-10 02:04 PM   #96 
  - Part of me feels an overpowering sadness for the people of...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-17-10 10:03 AM   #9 
  - Another Mel Gibson tape?  Renew Deal   Jul-17-10 10:04 AM   #10 
  - Now another point of view  robdogbucky   Jul-17-10 10:07 AM   #11 
  - Thanks for going right to the source - RAWA.  riderinthestorm   Jul-17-10 10:12 AM   #14 
  - Those 90 women that were interviewed are actual people that are facing the horrors  NJmaverick   Jul-17-10 10:16 AM   #16 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-17-10 10:42 AM   #18 
  - Forgive me, for they have done much in the past  Robb   Jul-17-10 10:44 AM   #21 
     - Somebody alert RAWA -- some man on the internet doesn't like them.  EFerrari   Jul-17-10 11:49 AM   #65 
     - Good to see you!  Robb   Jul-17-10 11:53 AM   #67 
     - U.S. troops have raped, tortured and burned women in Afghanistan  sabrina 1   Jul-17-10 12:19 PM   #74 
     - "How dare I" what?  Robb   Jul-17-10 12:57 PM   #83 
     - Wrong, they spoke the truth about a corrupt parliament and  sabrina 1   Jul-18-10 05:28 AM   #139 
        - Who is "she"? What are you talking about?  Robb   Jul-18-10 08:23 AM   #144 
     - Also, while I'm here  Robb   Jul-17-10 01:39 PM   #94 
     - It's not an either/or situation imho. RAWA has a good grasp of things  riderinthestorm   Jul-17-10 02:17 PM   #99 
        - The US Senate is 13% women. That number should also be 50%.  Robb   Jul-17-10 02:24 PM   #102 
           - Women weren't even involved in writing the US constitution. Women were involved in Afghanistan's.  riderinthestorm   Jul-17-10 07:06 PM   #122 
              - Half of RAWA's leadership quit over the move.  Robb   Jul-17-10 07:50 PM   #126 
  - For NJMaverick and Robb...  Bigmack   Jul-17-10 10:40 AM   #17 
  - +1  JonLP24   Jul-17-10 10:46 AM   #23 
  - The US put these people in danger  NJmaverick   Jul-17-10 10:50 AM   #27 
     - After 9 years  JonLP24   Jul-17-10 11:09 AM   #42 
     - We put them in danger of the Taliban by removing the Taliban from power.  Prism   Jul-17-10 02:32 PM   #104 
  - This is not a problem that can be solved militarily  gratuitous   Jul-17-10 10:46 AM   #24 
  - What is the solution?  NJmaverick   Jul-17-10 10:51 AM   #30 
     - See, that's where that imagination thing comes in  gratuitous   Jul-17-10 11:01 AM   #36 
        - then what is the solution?  NJmaverick   Jul-17-10 11:11 AM   #44 
           - How about we bomb them with food...  Bigmack   Jul-17-10 07:55 PM   #128 
  - The problem is that previous US actions these people in danger  NJmaverick   Jul-17-10 10:47 AM   #25 
  - The same arrogance that makes all good people try to do good.  Robb   Jul-17-10 10:47 AM   #26 
     - Oh..Pleezzzze...  Bigmack   Jul-17-10 07:42 PM   #124 
     - I did no such thing.  Robb   Jul-17-10 07:58 PM   #129 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-18-10 10:56 AM   #149 
  - Poll: Approval of Afghan War Slips, But U.S. Uneasy About Taliban Talks  robdogbucky   Jul-17-10 10:46 AM   #22 
  - Disapproval includes those who do not want us to EVER leave.  Robb   Jul-17-10 10:51 AM   #29 
  - Are we worried they'll kill more women than us?  Prism   Jul-17-10 10:55 AM   #32 
  - Your comments conflict with the fact that the vast majority of civilian deaths Taliban kills  NJmaverick   Jul-17-10 10:58 AM   #34 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-17-10 11:05 AM   #39 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-17-10 11:13 AM   #46 
  - You really don't know what you are talking about, do you?  sabrina 1   Jul-18-10 06:13 AM   #141 
     - By your yardstick, we're actually killing civilians *less* efficiently.  Robb   Jul-18-10 08:26 AM   #145 
  - Your one-dimensional interpretation remains the same:  Robb   Jul-17-10 11:03 AM   #37 
  - You don't know my interpretation.  Prism   Jul-17-10 11:12 AM   #45 
     - Heh.  Robb   Jul-17-10 11:16 AM   #49 
        - But it is about you  Prism   Jul-17-10 11:19 AM   #50 
           - Why just attack me, then, when there's a real debate here?  Robb   Jul-17-10 11:25 AM   #53 
              - Answer this: Do you feel we should have stayed in Vietnam?  Prism   Jul-17-10 11:26 AM   #54 
                 - OK.  Robb   Jul-17-10 11:28 AM   #56 
                    - It's not up to us.  Prism   Jul-17-10 11:32 AM   #59 
                       - Can't answer a yes or no question? Cheater.  Robb   Jul-17-10 11:37 AM   #60 
                          - It's a valid answer  Prism   Jul-17-10 11:41 AM   #61 
                             - No, it's a dodge.  Robb   Jul-17-10 11:44 AM   #63 
                                - You've not answered why you support Vietnam war defenses.  Prism   Jul-17-10 12:05 PM   #71 
                                   - You don't believe the Taliban should be in power in post-NATO Afghanistan. Good.  Robb   Jul-17-10 01:18 PM   #87 
                                      - No crickets, just lunch  Prism   Jul-17-10 02:24 PM   #103 
                                         - Of course you did not quote me, because I said none of these things.  Robb   Jul-17-10 03:15 PM   #107 
                                            - I don't think you can answer the question honestly  Prism   Jul-17-10 09:30 PM   #132 
                                               - You keep saying I've said something I haven't. I doubt you really want an answer, actually.  Robb   Jul-17-10 11:01 PM   #133 
                                                  - But that isn't an answer to the question  Prism   Jul-18-10 12:05 AM   #137 
                                                  - There is no disconnect, unless you believe the situations are the same  Robb   Jul-18-10 08:17 AM   #143 
                                                  - Actually, you leave the fire entirely unaddressed  Prism   Jul-18-10 08:48 AM   #147 
                                                  - Wait, you think Bush et al were *really* trying to prosecute the war in Afghanistan?  Robb   Jul-18-10 09:01 AM   #148 
  - Are we as bad as the Taliban... hell no  SunnySong   Jul-17-10 12:26 PM   #78 
     - All true. But who, then?  Robb   Jul-17-10 01:10 PM   #84 
        - we should leave and let them sort it out themselves...  SunnySong   Jul-17-10 01:18 PM   #88 
           - What about our responsibility for how much we've screwed up their country thus far?  Robb   Jul-17-10 01:25 PM   #90 
              - 1,822 coalition deaths, $284 billion, and 9 years is a pretty good try  Prism   Jul-17-10 02:47 PM   #106 
  - This is disgusting.  asdjrocky   Jul-17-10 11:05 AM   #40 
  - I think it speaks to an important issue vis a vis our withdrawal.  Robb   Jul-17-10 11:10 AM   #43 
  - I'm sure you do.  asdjrocky   Jul-17-10 11:14 AM   #47 
     - It's a big question.  Robb   Jul-17-10 11:20 AM   #51 
        - It is a big question.  asdjrocky   Jul-17-10 11:22 AM   #52 
        - Well, I would too, but we get what we pay for on DU.  Robb   Jul-17-10 11:27 AM   #55 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-17-10 11:31 AM   #57 
              - Careful, you might hurt my internet feelings.  Robb   Jul-17-10 11:45 AM   #64 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-17-10 02:12 PM   #97 
  - So we should hide the truths we don't like?  NJmaverick   Jul-17-10 11:14 AM   #48 
     - Yes, that is exactly what they are trying to do  stevenleser   Jul-17-10 02:13 PM   #98 
  - Having been part of IFOR/KFOR  Pavulon   Jul-17-10 11:32 AM   #58 
  - Wow, I guess I didn't know that.  Robb   Jul-17-10 11:42 AM   #62 
  - Back then I had no idea about any of it.  Pavulon   Jul-17-10 11:55 AM   #68 
     - I'll be seeing some old friends from there later in the month, actually  Robb   Jul-17-10 11:58 AM   #69 
  - I disagree.  chrisa   Jul-17-10 12:47 PM   #81 
     - So preventing or stopping genocide is "useless"  stevenleser   Jul-17-10 02:19 PM   #100 
        - I only said that the poster's two examples would be a waste of  chrisa   Jul-17-10 03:38 PM   #110 
  - I feel bad about that...but it's not a reason to stay.  TwilightGardener   Jul-17-10 12:01 PM   #70 
  - NJMaverick, your talking points are right on message  Mimosa   Jul-17-10 12:07 PM   #72 
  - Nice catch!  JonLP24   Jul-17-10 12:21 PM   #75 
  - You suggestion that human beings are just "talking points"  NJmaverick   Jul-17-10 12:34 PM   #79 
  - Those advocating withdrawal need to be equally as candid, but that isnt happening  stevenleser   Jul-17-10 02:21 PM   #101 
  - Pentagon Deceit on Media Manipulation Confirmed  robdogbucky   Jul-17-10 03:16 PM   #108 
  - BEST POST IN THIS THREAD.... (plus alternate link)  Junkdrawer   Jul-17-10 05:05 PM   #117 
  - Red Cell =/ policy.  Robb   Jul-17-10 05:23 PM   #120 
  - The article in the OP is based on a Human Rights Watch report that came out this week  Turborama   Jul-18-10 06:26 AM   #142 
  - Afghan's Bravest Woman Calls on U.S. to Leave Afghanistan  sabrina 1   Jul-17-10 12:11 PM   #73 
  - I don't think one woman in the US negates the 100s of thousands in danger in Afghanistan  NJmaverick   Jul-17-10 12:56 PM   #82 
  - Just part of the "ever evolving" reason we are over there.  L0oniX   Jul-17-10 01:13 PM   #85 
  - Why are we there?  robdogbucky   Jul-17-10 01:21 PM   #89 
  - That's important stuff  Robb   Jul-17-10 01:32 PM   #93 
  - Does this phrase ring a bell with anyone here?  robdogbucky   Jul-17-10 01:27 PM   #91 
  - Haven't we heard this before?  robdogbucky   Jul-17-10 01:32 PM   #92 
  - Know what the quote the Robbs use in the OP reminds me of?  robdogbucky   Jul-17-10 01:52 PM   #95 
  - Bastard! Not before we blow those women up with "smart" munitions!  Oregone   Jul-17-10 03:30 PM   #109 
  - My trouble is, most people didn't care about these women until all their other justifications failed  Forkboy   Jul-17-10 03:46 PM   #111 
  - +1  JonLP24   Jul-17-10 04:05 PM   #113 
  - +1  Prometheus Bound   Jul-17-10 04:44 PM   #114 
  - I don't think that's entirely accurate  Robb   Jul-17-10 04:45 PM   #115 
  - Not entirely accurate, no.  Forkboy   Jul-17-10 05:51 PM   #121 
  - Here's a refresher for those who haven't been paying attention.  Turborama   Jul-17-10 07:44 PM   #125 
     - Not everyone.  Robb   Jul-17-10 08:05 PM   #130 
     - No, it wasn't exactly just "quit and run". That's what the links pertain to...  Turborama   Jul-17-10 08:10 PM   #131 
     - You are making a number of assumptions that are debatable  EFerrari   Jul-17-10 11:10 PM   #136 
  - Do they care about them now? I doubt it. n/t  EFerrari   Jul-17-10 11:05 PM   #134 
  - I don't think that's true.  TwilightGardener   Jul-18-10 12:55 PM   #152 
  - I'm amazed this post got so many neg recs  Liberal_in_LA   Jul-17-10 05:10 PM   #118 
  - I'm amazed this post got so many neg recs  Liberal_in_LA   Jul-17-10 05:10 PM   #119 
  - K&R for Women's rights.  Odin2005   Jul-17-10 07:06 PM   #123 
  - NATO Says Taliban Orders Attacks on Civilians  Scurrilous   Jul-18-10 11:36 AM   #151 

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