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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 12:21 AM
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12. "These people" are by far the majority- and reflect how things work in real life
Something that- to everyone's great misfortune the DLC crowd refuses to learn, despite many harsh lessons.

Without effective frames and an overriding narrative to command, you lose support, lose policy fights- and then lose elections.
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  -Why do people keep saying that Obama negotiates too much with Republicans? BzaDem  Jul-15-10 11:29 PM   #0 
  - How many times did W get 60 votes?  Hawkowl   Jul-15-10 11:32 PM   #1 
  - He got 60 or more votes on EVERY SINGLE non-reconciliation bill.  BzaDem   Jul-15-10 11:35 PM   #2 
  - They don't need 60 votes!  ProudDad   Jul-16-10 12:52 AM   #22 
     - Somehow, I think Bush would have privatized Social Security if he thought he didn't need 60 votes.  BzaDem   Jul-16-10 01:39 AM   #30 
        - He couldn't get 51 votes to gut Social Security  ProudDad   Jul-16-10 01:36 PM   #44 
  - bush didn't have an obstructionist opposition party to deal with  fishwax   Jul-16-10 12:24 AM   #13 
     - Bush did get 60+ on a number of votes (the Patriot Act and No Child Left Behind  ProudDad   Jul-16-10 12:47 AM   #20 
        - People who say that there is no difference between the parties are simply spoiled.  BzaDem   Jul-16-10 01:41 AM   #31 
  - I am one of those people you speak of  Angry Dragon   Jul-15-10 11:41 PM   #3 
  - On HCR, he actually didn't get any Republican votes.  BzaDem   Jul-15-10 11:50 PM   #4 
     - It would seem that you and I will disagree  Angry Dragon   Jul-16-10 12:00 AM   #6 
        - Your post proves my point exactly.  BzaDem   Jul-16-10 12:11 AM   #8 
           - So if what you say is true  Angry Dragon   Jul-16-10 12:25 AM   #14 
           - What have you been doing for the last several weeks?  BzaDem   Jul-16-10 12:33 AM   #16 
           - LOL- denying the cognitive science and failing to learn the lessons won't "make it stop"  depakid   Jul-16-10 12:35 AM   #17 
              - It is so funny to hear you blather on about "lessons"  BzaDem   Jul-16-10 12:44 AM   #18 
              - One thing you've proven-  depakid   Jul-16-10 03:53 AM   #41 
              - +1000 nt  laughingliberal   Jul-16-10 01:50 AM   #33 
  - They haven't got anything good to complain about.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jul-15-10 11:57 PM   #5 
  - We actually say more damning (and quite true) things than that-  depakid   Jul-16-10 12:09 AM   #7 
  - Yup. Pretty much.  aquart   Jul-16-10 12:15 AM   #9 
  - Yes, Obama would rather have a bill pass with a concession than have a bill fail without one.  BzaDem   Jul-16-10 12:18 AM   #11 
     - My, isn't oversimplification a power choice.  aquart   Jul-16-10 12:59 AM   #25 
        - Why do you think that there is any negotiation at all?  BzaDem   Jul-16-10 01:37 AM   #29 
  - Some people think the President's job is to set narratives, rather than to actually change anything.  BzaDem   Jul-16-10 12:15 AM   #10 
     - "These people" are by far the majority- and reflect how things work in real life  depakid   Jul-16-10 12:21 AM   #12 
     - No, actually, they aren't.  BzaDem   Jul-16-10 12:28 AM   #15 
        - Yes, actually they are, and everybody goddamn well knows it.  Jim Sagle   Jul-16-10 01:50 AM   #34 
           - Your "everybody" = about 15 percent of Liberal Democrats.  BzaDem   Jul-16-10 01:53 AM   #35 
              - More DLC hogwash from you.  Jim Sagle   Jul-16-10 02:42 AM   #38 
     - Some people think that the pResident's job is to  ProudDad   Jul-16-10 12:57 AM   #24 
     - We were promised CHANGE, not "narrative."  aquart   Jul-16-10 01:00 AM   #26 
        - And you got it. Just because you deny it doesn't mean you didn't get it.  BzaDem   Jul-16-10 01:19 AM   #27 
           - He campaigned against mandates and then reversed himself after the election.  Jim Sagle   Jul-16-10 02:39 AM   #37 
  - Yes there is something you are missing...  ProudDad   Jul-16-10 12:45 AM   #19 
  - Obama could also bypass Congress and legislate by fiat.  BzaDem   Jul-16-10 12:48 AM   #21 
     - No, he can't  ProudDad   Jul-16-10 12:55 AM   #23 
        - No, he actually can't do what you are proposing (even if you repeat yourself many times).  BzaDem   Jul-16-10 01:25 AM   #28 
           - You need to brush up on your reading and comprehension skills...  ProudDad   Jul-16-10 01:43 PM   #45 
  - This post should have come with Dramamine. nt  laughingliberal   Jul-16-10 01:48 AM   #32 
  - Um... because Obama negotiates too much with Republicans?  jgraz   Jul-16-10 02:28 AM   #36 
  - The sentence isn't hard to understand -- it's simpy not true.  BzaDem   Jul-16-10 03:00 AM   #39 
     - That reasoning is silly beyond description  jgraz   Jul-16-10 04:52 AM   #42 
        - Conservadems were fellated, single payer activists were jailed.  Jim Sagle   Jul-16-10 10:31 AM   #43 
  - "Or is there another part of this argument that I'm missing?"  upi402   Jul-16-10 03:24 AM   #40 

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