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132. Strawman. Or would it be flamebait? Or just good oldfashioned
Edited on Mon Jul-12-10 09:07 PM by uppityperson
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  -I don't care how his defenders spin it. Raping a 13 year-old girl is not ok. proteus_lives  Jul-12-10 07:20 PM   #0 
  - Did I miss something?  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-12-10 07:25 PM   #1 
  - Switzerland let him go free for miscellaneous reasons including 'national interests.'  onehandle   Jul-12-10 07:28 PM   #2 
     - I see. Thanks.  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-12-10 07:36 PM   #15 
  - so you want to fuck Polanski because he's a rapist?  Johonny   Jul-12-10 07:28 PM   #3 
  - Really?  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 07:31 PM   #7 
  - Raping? Hell I don't think it's "ok" for a man to have sex with a 13 year old.  flvegan   Jul-12-10 07:29 PM   #4 
  - +1  LostinVA   Jul-12-10 07:42 PM   #24 
  - I assumed the OP would consider it rape even if she had "consented"  miscsoc   Jul-12-10 10:15 PM   #149 
     - It would always be rape, because she couldn't have consented  LostinVA   Jul-12-10 10:31 PM   #154 
        - right  miscsoc   Jul-12-10 10:32 PM   #157 
  - Of coarse it is not, and many good people fight against people that do those terrible things.  RandomThoughts   Jul-12-10 07:29 PM   #5 
  - yup. not a tough one to figure out. nt  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 07:30 PM   #6 
  - No, it's not.  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 07:32 PM   #8 
  - one posters says, she only said no a few times. and what???? means yes? nt  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 07:35 PM   # 
     - and besides, that 13 yr old TOOK the glass of alcohol from him  uppityperson   Jul-12-10 07:40 PM   #22 
  - Americans  murphyj87   Jul-12-10 07:34 PM   #11 
     - uh, the crime was in the u.s. ergo, broke u.s. laws. because people want him prosecuted for  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 07:37 PM   #16 
     - Except the rural middle east, where she would have had to apologize to him  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-12-10 07:40 PM   #21 
        - exactly. nt  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 07:41 PM   #23 
     - So rape isn't a big deal in Canada?  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 07:38 PM   #18 
     - Never said it wasn't  murphyj87   Jul-12-10 07:47 PM   #28 
        - well within their rights, but it is MY right to be PISSED a RAPIST is protected. nt  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 07:50 PM   #31 
        - You have the right to be pissed...  murphyj87   Jul-12-10 08:01 PM   #48 
           - i dont have the right to criticize? boy howdy, i think you are wrong on that.  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 08:03 PM   #54 
           - extradite, not "extridite" and yes, we do have the right to criticize. Death penalty isn't  uppityperson   Jul-12-10 08:20 PM   #91 
           - Switzerland put their international prestige on the line by letting  roguevalley   Jul-12-10 10:35 PM   #161 
        - So all a Canadian has to do to get away with crimes they commit in Canada is flee?  WildEyedLiberal   Jul-12-10 07:53 PM   #34 
        - No, what I'm saying is....  murphyj87   Jul-12-10 08:10 PM   #67 
           - prosecuting a child rapist is not a tradition adn to throw that in when talking law suggests  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 08:12 PM   #71 
           - I am saying...  murphyj87   Jul-12-10 08:19 PM   #89 
              - no, you thru in traditions, as if that had any place, to make rape of a child minimal.  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 08:21 PM   #94 
              - Rape is illegal in Europe too.  miscsoc   Jul-12-10 10:19 PM   #151 
           - you forget international protocols and agreements involving  roguevalley   Jul-12-10 10:39 PM   #165 
           - This is clearly a waste of my time, but let me say this again, slowly:  WildEyedLiberal   Jul-12-10 11:00 PM   #175 
        - Polanski was given the death penalty?  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-12-10 07:55 PM   #38 
        - In a perfect world, he and all sexual predators would be.  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 08:04 PM   #55 
           - I prefer castration, but get your point.  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-12-10 08:37 PM   #107 
        - Are you saying  Caretha   Jul-12-10 08:15 PM   #83 
           - Not at all...  murphyj87   Jul-12-10 08:27 PM   #98 
              - that is no argument in the op. the comment was.... not ok to rape a child.  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 08:29 PM   #100 
              - arrogant americans. my, aren't you sweet.  roguevalley   Jul-12-10 10:41 PM   #167 
              - This poster is really not bright enough to be insulting anyone else, either  WildEyedLiberal   Jul-12-10 11:20 PM   #177 
              - You do realize that lots of countries have extradition treaties with the US, don't you?  WildEyedLiberal   Jul-12-10 11:19 PM   #176 
     - dude broke the law in the usa  reggie the dog   Jul-12-10 10:08 PM   #144 
     - I think this dude is just making a dipshit argument. having sex with a  roguevalley   Jul-12-10 10:33 PM   #158 
  - Has anyone said raping a 13 year old is okay?  branders seine   Jul-12-10 07:34 PM   #9 
  - she only said no a couple times? i think that is pretty close to saying rape is ok. nt  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 07:39 PM   #19 
     - If anyone said it was okay, they are wrong and an asshole.  branders seine   Jul-12-10 07:42 PM   #25 
        - to say the rape of a child is wrong, but the man should not have to follow u.s. law  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 07:46 PM   #26 
           - there is prosecution  branders seine   Jul-12-10 07:47 PM   #27 
              - no, there is not there is prosecution adn then there is proseution. there was NO prosecution  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 07:48 PM   #29 
              - you want the laws applied.  branders seine   Jul-12-10 07:53 PM   #35 
                 - switzerland law was not applied. he is a rich dude, with rich support and they backed him. nt  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 07:57 PM   #42 
                    - we are in violent agreement that wealth confers privilege.  branders seine   Jul-12-10 08:17 PM   #87 
                       - where the fuck are you getting it is country vs country? you are arguing the wrong thing. nt  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 08:19 PM   #90 
                          - I'm not arguing.  branders seine   Jul-12-10 08:33 PM   #105 
                             - the crime against the child takes precedence. I hope that chinless  roguevalley   Jul-12-10 10:44 PM   #168 
              - In U.S. law, it doesn't matter what the victim "wants." It is the state against the defendant, not  CTyankee   Jul-12-10 07:53 PM   #33 
              - It's stunning to me how few people at DU seem to know that. nt  WildEyedLiberal   Jul-12-10 07:55 PM   #37 
              - Well, I guess that's why we're here...(sigh)  CTyankee   Jul-12-10 07:56 PM   #39 
              - Criminal Law vs Civil Law 101  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-12-10 07:58 PM   #43 
              - I'm not disputing the obligation of the authorities in CA to seek extradition.  branders seine   Jul-12-10 08:02 PM   #49 
                 - no, first you said no one defending rapists. i said uh huh. nt  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 08:05 PM   #57 
                    - sorry if I misinterpreted the point of your post.  branders seine   Jul-12-10 08:36 PM   #106 
                       - you know, if you want to interpret moral outrage to someone defending raping children.....  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 08:44 PM   #111 
                          - I believe rape of a child is sick, repugnant and awful.  branders seine   Jul-12-10 08:50 PM   #117 
                             - rape of a child works better for me. nt  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 08:57 PM   #123 
                             - There is no such thing as sex with a child by an adult  LostinVA   Jul-12-10 08:59 PM   #126 
                                - edited my post to conform with your most excellent point.  branders seine   Jul-12-10 09:00 PM   #128 
                                   - +1  LostinVA   Jul-12-10 09:03 PM   #130 
              - No matter - he was found guilty of a CRIME  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-12-10 07:56 PM   #40 
              - which is why many states have laws saying  reggie the dog   Jul-12-10 10:11 PM   #145 
  - nobody thinks raping a 13 yr old is ok  pitohui   Jul-12-10 07:34 PM   #10 
  - Wow, so if someone rapes your daughter and can stay free 30 years it is OK with you?  KansasVoter   Jul-12-10 07:35 PM   #13 
  - somebody does think anally raping a 13 yr old after giving her drugs/alcohol is ok  uppityperson   Jul-12-10 07:36 PM   #14 
  - I live in France and am pretty damn sure  reggie the dog   Jul-12-10 10:14 PM   #148 
     - That is what wiki says, the  uppityperson   Jul-12-10 10:33 PM   #159 
     - it might have been 13 at the time, actually  miscsoc   Jul-12-10 10:40 PM   #166 
  - "after they've done their time"  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 07:37 PM   #17 
  - Well...  Chan790   Jul-12-10 08:16 PM   #85 
     - He fled before sentencing and he confessed.  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 09:07 PM   #133 
  - 1. He fled before "doing time"; 2. "house arrest" in a Swiss chalet? Please; 3. if age is a  WinkyDink   Jul-12-10 08:08 PM   #65 
  - really?  roguevalley   Jul-12-10 10:47 PM   #170 
  - How do you figure he isn't a danger to society? Are you even aware that he has had yet other  saracat   Jul-12-10 11:51 PM   #178 
  - Recommended.  H2O Man   Jul-12-10 07:35 PM   #12 
  - Yes, he is.  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 08:01 PM   #47 
     - It's not the only incident. Polanski defenders like to forget his 15 year old girlfriend,  msanthrope   Jul-12-10 08:20 PM   #92 
        - not only that he said in interview.... every old man wants to rape... oh, have sex, with a kid.nt  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 08:23 PM   #95 
        - That other woman has come forward, too  LostinVA   Jul-12-10 08:52 PM   #120 
  - K&R  katandmoon   Jul-12-10 07:39 PM   #20 
  - K & Effing R  Mojeoux   Jul-12-10 07:49 PM   #30 
  - Do You Support An Invasion Of Switzerland?  jberryhill   Jul-12-10 07:52 PM   #32 
  - Do you support letting Polanski sleep in your daughter's room?  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 07:54 PM   #36 
  - wait, while plying her with booze and drugs.... nt  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 07:58 PM   #44 
  - No, in fact I have a Polanski-proof perimeter around the house  jberryhill   Jul-12-10 07:58 PM   #45 
     - ah, so if we cannot change the world we keep mouth shut. eyes down. not feel any emotions  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 08:02 PM   #50 
     - I suggested an invasion  jberryhill   Jul-12-10 08:05 PM   #56 
        - a trade embargo like with cuba  reggie the dog   Jul-12-10 10:18 PM   #150 
        - yeah, you go get the rat bastard. then you can come back and  roguevalley   Jul-12-10 10:49 PM   #172 
     - Nothing easy about letting a rapist get away with his crimes.  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 08:03 PM   #53 
        - Well that's what I'm asking  jberryhill   Jul-12-10 08:06 PM   #58 
           - I wouldn't.  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 08:07 PM   #60 
  - Saying raping a 13 yr old is not ok can only be backed up by invading Switzerland? wtf?  uppityperson   Jul-12-10 07:57 PM   #41 
     - pro polenski posters on this thread has taken a step further. u.s. people arent alllowed to be mad  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 08:00 PM   #46 
     - When someone tells me I'm not allowed to be mad about something...  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 08:02 PM   #51 
        - Mad?  jberryhill   Jul-12-10 08:07 PM   #59 
           - It's too bad you don't actually have an opinion to contribute.  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 08:08 PM   #63 
           - Your opinion is not doing a thing to bring justice to Polanski  jberryhill   Jul-12-10 08:21 PM   #93 
              - Cash in the ticket and donate it to a fund for victims of sexual abuse and rape.  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 08:32 PM   #103 
              - you are just sad. sad, sad, sad.  roguevalley   Jul-12-10 10:50 PM   #173 
           - why are you throwing this crap out. people are pissed about raping a child you suggest murder?  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 08:09 PM   #66 
              - There are plenty who support the death penalty  jberryhill   Jul-12-10 08:12 PM   #72 
                 - again, a game. you dont think raping a child an issue, ergo, playing a fuckin game. nt  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 08:13 PM   #75 
                    - I'm suggesting he be assasinated.  jberryhill   Jul-12-10 08:14 PM   #80 
     - There have been so many DU'ers saying it's okay to rape 13 year olds...  jberryhill   Jul-12-10 08:03 PM   #52 
        - i say when his happy free ass jaunts on over to another country, grab him there  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 08:08 PM   #62 
        - Raping a 13 yr old girl is not ok. Anyone who defends raping 13 yr olds is also not ok.  uppityperson   Jul-12-10 08:08 PM   #64 
        - And people on DU defend raping 13 year olds?  jberryhill   Jul-12-10 08:10 PM   #68 
           - yes, really. nt  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 08:12 PM   #73 
           - Well that's news to me. Polanski can be taken out with a hit squad  jberryhill   Jul-12-10 08:13 PM   #76 
              - a silly silly game to excuse rape of a child. nt  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 08:14 PM   #82 
                 - I see... "kill him" = "excuse" /nt  jberryhill   Jul-12-10 08:16 PM   #86 
                    - wtf... you see a whole lot of shit that is just that.... nt  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 08:23 PM   #97 
           - Yes.  uppityperson   Jul-12-10 08:28 PM   #99 
              - poster forgot to add she only said no a few times then  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 08:31 PM   #101 
              - That person seems not to be saying what you are suggesting  jberryhill   Jul-12-10 08:31 PM   #102 
                 - I'm not "suggesting" but quoting. "where's the rape"  uppityperson   Jul-12-10 08:42 PM   #110 
                    - You truncated that quote  jberryhill   Jul-12-10 08:57 PM   #124 
                       - Strawman. Or would it be flamebait? Or just good oldfashioned  uppityperson   Jul-12-10 09:07 PM   #132 
        - "So what is the next move?"  depakid   Jul-12-10 08:14 PM   #79 
           - Hey, it's Polanski's number-one DU defender.  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 08:33 PM   #104 
              - Hey, it's the number one outrage addict screaming: "you support the terraists!"  depakid   Jul-12-10 08:39 PM   #108 
                 - Hey, when are you going to bust out the "It was a different time" defense?  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 08:41 PM   #109 
                    - Here's another positive thing you can do:  depakid   Jul-12-10 08:45 PM   #112 
                       - That is inexcusable.  uppityperson   Jul-12-10 08:48 PM   #115 
                       - It really is- and with the catfood commission's statements today about "no more aid to the states"  depakid   Jul-12-10 08:52 PM   #121 
                       - That is worth raising hell over.  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 08:49 PM   #116 
  - What happened to his pregnant wife and others was not okay either.  BrightKnight   Jul-12-10 08:07 PM   #61 
  - Bullshit and you know it.  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 08:11 PM   #69 
  - "There are no mitigating factors" is not US law. - nt  BrightKnight   Jul-12-10 08:16 PM   # 
     - every child rapist who can prove they have been emotionally hurt in life are allowed to rape  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 08:18 PM   #88 
     - That radical characterization has nothing to do with what I actually posted. - n/t  BrightKnight   Jul-12-10 08:52 PM   #119 
        - yes. it is exactly what you said. emotional hurt or trauma excuses raping children. if for polensk  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 09:00 PM   #127 
           - I don't read it that way.  uppityperson   Jul-12-10 09:23 PM   #137 
     - It is, in stautory rape. Perhaps you would care to name the  msanthrope   Jul-12-10 08:23 PM   #96 
        - In what States are mitigating factors not considered in murder or rape trials?  BrightKnight   Jul-12-10 08:47 PM   #114 
           - If you are hungry and you steal a loaf of bread, there would certainly be mitigating factors  MajorChode   Jul-12-10 09:53 PM   #143 
  - you just did excuse the rape of a child. nt  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 08:14 PM   #77 
  - I MOST CERTAINLY DID NOT! "Nothing excuses what he did..." n/t  BrightKnight   Jul-12-10 09:11 PM   #134 
     - then what does a past trauma have to do with anything. he raped a child. nothing excuses it....  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 09:23 PM   #136 
        - I read that post as trying to understand any sort of "why", not to excuse it.  uppityperson   Jul-12-10 09:25 PM   #139 
           - the man wasnt going to get 20 yrs. another couple months maybe. tops. just having to fly to u.s  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 09:34 PM   #140 
  - if that is true, then no one is going to be held responsible and  roguevalley   Jul-12-10 10:55 PM   #174 
  - It's really mind-boggling reading these threads  skygazer   Jul-12-10 08:12 PM   #70 
  - anything and all is pulled out to defend a child rapist. nt  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 08:16 PM   #84 
  - Correction  cmkramer   Jul-12-10 08:47 PM   #113 
  - Yeah, keep telling yourself that.  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 08:50 PM   #118 
  - Wrong. He has. He was arrested and charged with rape, pled guilty to statuatory rape.  uppityperson   Jul-12-10 08:53 PM   #122 
  - He plead guilty to one count of rape concerning Samantha Geiner  LostinVA   Jul-12-10 08:58 PM   #125 
  - he confessed to sex with underage. that is rape. nt  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 09:02 PM   #129 
     - Under CA law, that is legally the same as rape  LostinVA   Jul-12-10 09:04 PM   #131 
  - Yeah! If you're not willing to enlist in the U.S. Armed Forces -- to invade Switzerland --  smalll   Jul-12-10 10:38 PM   #164 
  - I'll Take Your Non-Stop Outrage Over Polanski A Little More Seriously....  Paladin   Jul-12-10 08:13 PM   #74 
  - Utter fail at connecting different issues.  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 08:14 PM   #81 
  - It's sad that he is getting away with it  supernova   Jul-12-10 08:14 PM   #78 
  - As much as I sympathize with his plight  Canuckistanian   Jul-12-10 09:19 PM   #135 
  - I would like to know why US Attnys didn't send what the Swiss said they needed to keep him.  uppityperson   Jul-12-10 09:24 PM   #138 
     - The Swiss were convinced there was a plea deal  Canuckistanian   Jul-12-10 10:45 PM   #169 
  - No it is not, and Polanski is a pig  Taverner   Jul-12-10 09:37 PM   #141 
  - Do you time he spent fleeing justice, or time he spent living abroad where he wanted to should  uppityperson   Jul-12-10 09:51 PM   #142 
  - "the time abroad DOES have to be taken into consideration with his sentence"  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 10:27 PM   #152 
     - dont know what poster meant. but added time for spending three decades  seabeyond   Jul-12-10 10:32 PM   #156 
        - That is my thought also. Just because you escape from prison doesn't mean  uppityperson   Jul-12-10 10:35 PM   #162 
           - also being roman fucking polanski in europe  miscsoc   Jul-12-10 10:47 PM   #171 
  - Rosemary's Baby was pretty good so its okay.  miscsoc   Jul-12-10 10:12 PM   #146 
  - K&R  varelse   Jul-12-10 10:14 PM   #147 
  - Isn't his fate an insult to genuinely rehabilited sex offenders  miscsoc   Jul-12-10 10:31 PM   #153 
  - He also gave her a huge settlement about 20 years ago  LostinVA   Jul-12-10 10:33 PM   #160 
     - ah, that's even worse!  miscsoc   Jul-12-10 10:35 PM   #163 
  - But, but, bringing him to justice is just typical barbarous Amertican cruelty!  Odin2005   Jul-12-10 10:31 PM   #155 
  - locking  TrogL   Jul-12-10 11:52 PM   #179 

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