Selatius
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Sun May-13-07 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #33 |
| 38. The issue is that a school prayer is being included in a public function, funded by taxpayer dollars |
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The issue isn't t-shirts people are wearing but the fact that there will be a prayer at all during a public school's commencement using a public stage, with a public microphone, connected to public speakers, in a public venue all paid by taxpayers, not all of whom are Christian.
That is why the ACLU is getting involved. The simple fact is the students can have a prayer, but not at commencement because the commencement is a function of a taxpayer funded public school, not a private one. Those who are Christian can pray after commencement is finished.
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| -The slow return to the 'Victorian Era', bible-belt style. |
Ferretherder |
May-12-07 12:49 PM |
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From what I've read about Victorian schools, |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
May-12-07 12:55 PM |
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There is a Stunningly Good Letter There |
Crisco |
May-12-07 12:56 PM |
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I was about to post the same thing. |
Cabcere |
May-12-07 12:57 PM |
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That was imppressive and well written |
depakid |
May-12-07 01:14 PM |
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Thanks for noting that outstanding response. |
tabasco |
May-12-07 02:32 PM |
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Here is Monroe Watcher's response: |
Lorien |
May-13-07 11:51 AM |
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Don't get me wrong |
Bitwit1234 |
May-12-07 12:58 PM |
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I happen to think religion |
SheilaT |
May-12-07 01:06 PM |
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Yes, but I'm not sure that a "school" should be teaching them that all |
AlinPA |
May-12-07 01:52 PM |
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Sounds like Matthew 6:5-6 |
JonathanChance |
May-12-07 02:50 PM |
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my all time favorite bible passage... |
Reverend_Smitty |
May-12-07 03:03 PM |
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IA, the louder a person is about being a Christian, the more I suspect |
treestar |
May-13-07 11:39 AM |
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An old trick in the works here: |
Vexatious Ape |
May-12-07 01:01 PM |
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spent me some time in Ouachita Parish |
musette_sf |
May-12-07 01:05 PM |
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Time to start my lion suit business. |
Nikki Stone1 |
May-12-07 01:05 PM |
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if they want ideas from the "Victorian era"... |
flyingfysh |
May-12-07 01:23 PM |
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Darwinism and Religion Make For Interesting Debates |
jprd |
May-12-07 02:03 PM |
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holes in Darwinian evolution you say? |
WindRavenX |
May-13-07 12:35 AM |
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How do you know that animals don't worship something else? |
Perragrande |
May-13-07 12:35 AM |
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More Religious Animals? |
jprd |
May-13-07 06:23 AM |
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Really? Bigger "holes" than there are in the assertion that "there is a giant invisible man in the |
impeachdubya |
May-13-07 12:47 AM |
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I Wasn't Supporting Creationism |
jprd |
May-13-07 06:30 AM |
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You didn't answer the question: What holes in Darwinian evolution? nt |
impeachdubya |
May-13-07 03:15 PM |
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You know -- not all Chrisitans believe the world is only 6,000 |
Clark2008 |
May-13-07 07:23 AM |
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We're talking about evolution- and the denial of such. |
impeachdubya |
May-13-07 03:14 PM |
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I once came upon, by helicopter, in the tundra of Alaska |
symbolman |
May-13-07 02:56 AM |
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I Didn't Know That Bears Were Religious |
jprd |
May-13-07 06:16 AM |
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As a wise man once said |
symbolman |
May-13-07 03:01 PM |
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A Fool Once Told Me |
jprd |
May-13-07 06:57 PM |
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Considering the fact that YOU were not THERE |
symbolman |
May-14-07 07:33 AM |
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Excuse me? |
dave_p |
May-13-07 12:21 PM |
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Some Examples Please? |
jprd |
May-14-07 03:16 AM |
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Eh. |
impeachdubya |
May-14-07 04:25 AM |
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Great Examples |
jprd |
May-14-07 04:54 AM |
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Bees |
dave_p |
May-14-07 09:32 AM |
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THIS IS AN OUTRAGE..... |
pepperbear |
May-12-07 01:29 PM |
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Have You Read The First Amendment? |
jprd |
May-12-07 01:51 PM |
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and we have a winner! good idea treading lightly on your very |
pepperbear |
May-12-07 01:56 PM |
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Sorry, I Was Still Hung Up On Shirts |
jprd |
May-12-07 02:15 PM |
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sorry still not getting it...... |
pepperbear |
May-12-07 02:36 PM |
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They Need To Revise Their Vote |
jprd |
May-12-07 04:06 PM |
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I trust you also support equally the right of students to wear t-shirts |
kestrel91316 |
May-12-07 01:56 PM |
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You Didn't Wait for an Answer |
jprd |
May-12-07 02:08 PM |
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Can kids wear shirts with pot leaves, peyote buttons, or pictures of people fucking on them, too? |
impeachdubya |
May-12-07 04:21 PM |
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Odd Religions |
jprd |
May-12-07 04:45 PM |
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According to whom? |
impeachdubya |
May-12-07 08:39 PM |
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Monotheism Is Odd? |
jprd |
May-13-07 12:22 AM |
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I think if you're going to use the first amendment as a defense for SOME people to express religious |
impeachdubya |
May-13-07 12:40 AM |
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I Grasp Pretty Well! |
jprd |
May-13-07 06:48 AM |
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"If a majority of folks in a community want to have prayers in their schools |
impeachdubya |
May-13-07 02:51 PM |
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You Seem Very Angry |
jprd |
May-14-07 03:34 AM |
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No, I suggested you *try* it. Specific physical activities, to see if you obtain any results |
impeachdubya |
May-14-07 04:03 AM |
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Thanks |
jprd |
May-14-07 05:24 AM |
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Thanks for the clarifications. |
impeachdubya |
May-14-07 02:46 PM |
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The issue is that a school prayer is being included in a public function, funded by taxpayer dollars |
Selatius |
May-13-07 12:47 AM |
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Aren't Most Schools Funded By Local Taxes? |
jprd |
May-13-07 06:52 AM |
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Most schools are also funded by the Fed Gov't as well... |
rasputin1952 |
May-13-07 07:15 AM |
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This has come up locally too |
gollygee |
May-13-07 07:32 AM |
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Thank You! |
jprd |
May-13-07 08:14 AM |
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Actually, what he was saying was that even if a majority of people WANT an organized prayer |
impeachdubya |
May-13-07 03:17 PM |
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What If |
jprd |
May-14-07 03:38 AM |
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The Supreme Court would. |
impeachdubya |
May-14-07 04:10 AM |
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Well, We Know That Constitutionality These Days |
jprd |
May-14-07 05:31 AM |
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So, then, you do disagree with the Supreme Court decisions prohibiting organized prayer |
impeachdubya |
May-14-07 02:49 PM |
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Right, but as a side issue, I don't think it would be constitutional to allow t-shirts from only |
impeachdubya |
May-13-07 02:38 PM |
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If the school is prohibiting t-shirts from other religions, that's a big problem. |
Selatius |
May-13-07 08:30 PM |
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YOu have to understand that no one ever said that religious |
rasputin1952 |
May-12-07 02:00 PM |
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Not necessarily true. |
donco6 |
May-13-07 07:59 AM |
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Schools are Constitutionally allowed to enforce dress codes. |
Toots |
May-13-07 08:46 AM |
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What's wrong with this picture? |
dave_p |
May-12-07 02:18 PM |
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So why are these students wearing this T-shirt under their |
rasputin1952 |
May-12-07 02:26 PM |
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Can I have a 'In Buddha's name' T-shirt? |
Neoma |
May-12-07 02:41 PM |
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I for the life of me will never understand the concept of the persecuted majority |
Reverend_Smitty |
May-12-07 03:01 PM |
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It's An Easy Concept to Understand |
jprd |
May-12-07 04:12 PM |
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Darn that separation of church and state. |
donco6 |
May-13-07 08:01 AM |
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I Agree |
jprd |
May-13-07 08:24 AM |
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Sarcastic because the will of the majority here . . . . |
donco6 |
May-13-07 08:52 AM |
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I Don't Think That's True |
jprd |
May-13-07 11:06 AM |
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May-13-07 03:55 PM |
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What elite minority do you think is likely to rule in the USA? |
gollygee |
May-13-07 08:54 AM |
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An Elite Minority Could Be |
jprd |
May-13-07 10:57 AM |
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No, but I don't see any minority group ruling |
gollygee |
May-13-07 10:58 AM |
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No I Don't |
jprd |
May-13-07 11:14 AM |
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The principal of democracy is that the majority rules but |
gollygee |
May-13-07 11:15 AM |
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May-13-07 11:43 AM |
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Rick Santorum...... |
PassingFair |
May-13-07 12:08 PM |
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LOL |
symbolman |
May-13-07 03:05 PM |
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Or I suppose we could worry about man/dog love when . . . |
donco6 |
May-13-07 03:58 PM |
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My Civil Reply |
jprd |
May-13-07 06:07 PM |
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Wait a second, you are putting words in my mouth that I did not say... |
Reverend_Smitty |
May-13-07 11:59 AM |
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That situation is actually rare.... |
Jade Fox |
May-13-07 11:06 AM |
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There Have Been Many Police States |
jprd |
May-13-07 11:24 AM |
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Lumping all those together is ludicrous.... |
Jade Fox |
May-13-07 01:41 PM |
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Sure, but Christians in the U.S. are not in that position |
treestar |
May-13-07 11:40 AM |
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Minority group status is not limited to mathematical minority |
me b zola |
May-14-07 05:01 AM |
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A majority is a group, individuals do not usually wander around |
spoony |
May-12-07 05:59 PM |
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It's a phenomenon that has me scratching my head too.... |
Jade Fox |
May-13-07 11:14 AM |
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Really? I think it is very easy top undestand |
Perky |
May-13-07 03:26 PM |
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I want to make one thing perfectly clear - ... |
Ferretherder |
May-13-07 02:02 AM |
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You can always tell when the general elections are around the corner |
Geek_Girl |
May-13-07 11:18 AM |
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Why do they not get that a vote does not count in this case? |
treestar |
May-13-07 11:36 AM |
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When those persectuted christians truly cannot meet |
nadinbrzezinski |
May-13-07 12:19 PM |
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"what if we made equal time for other religious observances " |
and-justice-for-all |
May-14-07 04:15 AM |
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Actually, that sounds like a plan. After all,... |
Ferretherder |
May-14-07 05:49 AM |
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All or nothing...sounds good to me. |
and-justice-for-all |
May-14-07 05:58 AM |
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