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Sat Jul-10-10 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #25 |
| 35. I think it would be good information to have for training and education. |
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If, for example, soldiers exhibited a high level of religious or ethnic bigotry, then corrective action could be taken, using actual metrics.
" If Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell is repealed and you are working with a Service member in your immediate unit who has said he or she is gay or lesbian, how would that affect your own ability to fulfill your mission during combat? - Very positively - Positively - Equally as positively as negatively - Negatively - Very negatively - No effect - Don’t know or does not apply"
Note that 6 out of the 8 possible answers equate to "This not actually a problem", which is characteristic of push-polling.
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| -I'll make a deal with all the Obama defenders on the DADT survey. |
Touchdown |
Jul-10-10 09:15 PM |
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An interesting proposition. |
donco6 |
Jul-10-10 09:21 PM |
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I doubt it too, but since I made the pledge I'll have to hold my breath until Monday. |
Touchdown |
Jul-10-10 09:44 PM |
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actions tell the truth. the survey was an action. his words mean nothing without action to match nt |
msongs |
Jul-10-10 09:21 PM |
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the new retort for this sort of comment from the "defenders" is |
jonnyblitz |
Jul-10-10 09:29 PM |
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True! |
Touchdown |
Jul-10-10 09:49 PM |
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"Actions tell the truth"? What? So the invasion of Iraq was action, was it the truth? |
rhett o rick |
Jul-10-10 10:59 PM |
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Think I missed something . . . what survey? |
defendandprotect |
Jul-10-10 09:26 PM |
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Here |
Touchdown |
Jul-10-10 09:45 PM |
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the one Obama had nothing to do with creating. |
KonaKane |
Jul-10-10 09:46 PM |
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Did any of you bother to take a look at the preliminary results of the survey? |
KonaKane |
Jul-10-10 09:47 PM |
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Here's a link... |
RKP5637 |
Jul-10-10 09:53 PM |
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IMO the survey is being used as a ruse to keep DADT. It's an easy way out, |
RKP5637 |
Jul-10-10 09:34 PM |
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Pentagon: Sorry, soldiers say no. Congress: Sorry, we tried. Obama: Yes, we can! |
Bluebear |
Jul-10-10 09:40 PM |
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There you go again Mr. Negative!1 come on, be chirpy, stick |
jonnyblitz |
Jul-10-10 10:12 PM |
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I have that audio book. Listened to it twice! |
Touchdown |
Jul-10-10 10:16 PM |
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my mother got sucked into that positive thinking crap. they told |
jonnyblitz |
Jul-11-10 02:58 AM |
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I think the worst My Mom was in was that Men/Mars Women/Venus thing. |
Touchdown |
Jul-11-10 03:09 AM |
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my mother went right down the woo checkoff list and she gets |
jonnyblitz |
Jul-11-10 03:29 AM |
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I got swarmed at work when I called The Secret "crap". |
Touchdown |
Jul-11-10 03:40 AM |
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Female soldiers are being raped by heterosexuals and brass covers for rapists |
havocmom |
Jul-10-10 09:43 PM |
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I always expect the worst on LGBT issues. nt |
jonnyblitz |
Jul-10-10 10:04 PM |
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+1 |
LostinVA |
Jul-10-10 10:17 PM |
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I agree. It's a win-win for administration on this. |
Safetykitten |
Jul-11-10 01:40 AM |
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Who is defending the survey? |
KonaKane |
Jul-10-10 09:45 PM |
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Nobody has suggested that Obama wrote the survey... |
Chan790 |
Jul-11-10 12:05 AM |
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Who said he wrote it or was responsible for it? The question |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-11-10 02:17 AM |
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Erroneous OP reframed: |
GeorgeGist |
Jul-11-10 06:43 AM |
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K&R |
Stinky The Clown |
Jul-10-10 09:47 PM |
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Will Pres. Obama run in 2012? |
ablewon |
Jul-10-10 09:53 PM |
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Exactly. |
Bluenorthwest |
Jul-10-10 09:57 PM |
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I haven't seen any DUer defend the survey |
sandnsea |
Jul-10-10 09:58 PM |
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Outrage is more fun than facts. |
KonaKane |
Jul-10-10 10:03 PM |
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+1...nt |
SidDithers |
Jul-11-10 12:04 AM |
#52 |
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Why was this survey needed? Do you ask for an opinion about |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-11-10 02:35 AM |
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Ignorance is more comfortable than reality. |
tekisui |
Jul-11-10 07:44 AM |
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Neither have I ... |
Born_A_Truman |
Jul-10-10 10:04 PM |
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See post #17 |
ruggerson |
Jul-10-10 10:05 PM |
#21 |
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I really don't know that person |
sandnsea |
Jul-10-10 10:52 PM |
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and I believe |
ruggerson |
Jul-10-10 10:56 PM |
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Uh, no. The offer as is stands. It's his military, so he should denounce the survey. |
Touchdown |
Jul-10-10 10:09 PM |
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I said that he should denounce the survey |
sandnsea |
Jul-10-10 10:12 PM |
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Oh' ... Ok! |
Touchdown |
Jul-10-10 10:17 PM |
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I'm appalled and shocked at this survey |
sandnsea |
Jul-10-10 10:24 PM |
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I'm getting touchy on this thing. |
Touchdown |
Jul-10-10 10:28 PM |
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I really appreciate your solid, direct, uncompromising opposition |
QC |
Jul-10-10 11:10 PM |
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Oh yes, they have |
LostinVA |
Jul-10-10 10:19 PM |
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Failure to rebut it is defense by omission. |
Chan790 |
Jul-11-10 12:14 AM |
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It was leaked yesterday afternoon |
sandnsea |
Jul-11-10 12:16 AM |
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eek |
noamnety |
Jul-11-10 12:22 AM |
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Do you have week-ends with your family? |
sandnsea |
Jul-11-10 12:24 AM |
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as a veteran it just rubs me the wrong way |
noamnety |
Jul-11-10 12:40 AM |
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The topic is response to a survey |
sandnsea |
Jul-11-10 01:32 AM |
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There are a lot of soldiers who get no weekends off. |
noamnety |
Jul-11-10 01:51 AM |
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If you want free weekends you don't run for President of the U.S. |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-11-10 02:51 AM |
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If there's an emergency, he won't have this weekend off either |
sandnsea |
Jul-11-10 11:35 AM |
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I didn't mean immediately. |
Chan790 |
Jul-11-10 12:24 AM |
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Rip him a new one |
sandnsea |
Jul-11-10 12:26 AM |
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I can't believe you actually posted that |
Tailormyst |
Jul-11-10 07:14 PM |
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I didn't see it as a hatchet job. |
boppers |
Jul-10-10 09:59 PM |
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Which is another bigoted question |
sandnsea |
Jul-10-10 10:14 PM |
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Yup, replace it with "Blacks," "Jews," "Catholics," etal |
LostinVA |
Jul-10-10 10:21 PM |
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I think it would be good information to have for training and education. |
boppers |
Jul-10-10 10:25 PM |
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How will your career be affected? |
sandnsea |
Jul-10-10 10:38 PM |
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You know why that career question is in there, right? |
boppers |
Jul-10-10 10:44 PM |
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It Does Not Matter |
sandnsea |
Jul-10-10 10:48 PM |
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Asking someone if they're bigoted.... is bigoted? |
boppers |
Jul-10-10 11:07 PM |
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Why do we need a $4 million survey of bigots? |
sandnsea |
Jul-10-10 11:30 PM |
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You're equating being "homosexulal/"lesbian" with "smelly pussies"? |
boppers |
Jul-10-10 11:46 PM |
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That was the implication in the survey |
sandnsea |
Jul-11-10 12:11 AM |
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You didn't answer the question she asked. |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-11-10 03:01 AM |
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I don't think the decision made will be based on bigotry. |
boppers |
Jul-11-10 04:38 AM |
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What does that even mean? |
tekisui |
Jul-11-10 08:17 AM |
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This is the military. You can't just issue a directive and everything changes. |
boppers |
Jul-11-10 04:29 PM |
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What data or anecdotes are needed to correct a wrong that |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-11-10 03:40 PM |
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The poster wasn't equating that, the fucking SURVEY is |
LostinVA |
Jul-11-10 07:02 AM |
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I agree it's a push poll. Probably not the same way you see it, though. |
boppers |
Jul-11-10 04:47 PM |
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You do not base a group's civil rights on responses from a skewed survey! |
LostinVA |
Jul-11-10 07:00 AM |
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Uhm, no. The military has been doing this for many years. |
boppers |
Jul-11-10 06:02 PM |
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Ummm.... no...... they don't |
LostinVA |
Jul-11-10 06:17 PM |
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My response was to this: |
boppers |
Jul-11-10 06:30 PM |
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Of course you didn't. n/t |
QC |
Jul-10-10 10:53 PM |
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You don't think that is a bigoted question? |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-11-10 02:55 AM |
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Asking a question about personal bigotry is not institutional bigotry per se. |
boppers |
Jul-11-10 04:58 AM |
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Of course you didn't. nt |
Bluebear |
Jul-11-10 07:28 PM |
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And if he DOES renounce the survey by the end of the day on Monday? |
scheming daemons |
Jul-10-10 10:18 PM |
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I will eat crow on this issue, and this one alone. |
Touchdown |
Jul-10-10 10:22 PM |
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I'll say, yet again, that he listens and corrects mistakes |
ruggerson |
Jul-10-10 10:24 PM |
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Good answer.... but I wasn't talking to you, ruggerson |
scheming daemons |
Jul-11-10 01:36 AM |
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So why don't you answer the fucking OP? |
Touchdown |
Jul-11-10 02:59 AM |
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Was there a question posed in the OP? n/t |
LoZoccolo |
Jul-11-10 03:17 AM |
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Jul-11-10 03:42 AM |
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Are you going to acknowledge that, or are you going to run away like you thought I would? |
Touchdown |
Jul-10-10 10:47 PM |
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Since you're so certain, why not offer to put your money where your mouth is? n/t |
QC |
Jul-10-10 10:58 PM |
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I will be astounded that he responded to some hostage deadline on a webforum. |
KonaKane |
Jul-11-10 12:49 AM |
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I just read the survey; while I think it's basically BS - |
haele |
Jul-10-10 11:58 PM |
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Jul-11-10 12:03 AM |
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My, you're certainly sensible tonight. |
jgraz |
Jul-11-10 12:47 AM |
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Wow - what an awful and callous reply. |
myrna minx |
Jul-11-10 12:55 AM |
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What's awful about it? I just thought he had something |
Touchdown |
Jul-11-10 12:59 AM |
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i like arugula, actually. |
dionysus |
Jul-11-10 02:09 AM |
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when the first words of a post are; "I'll make a deal with all the Obama defenders" |
dionysus |
Jul-11-10 02:08 AM |
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"I'll make a deal with you. If you do this, then I'll...um...and if you don't...I'll..." n/t |
LoZoccolo |
Jul-11-10 02:31 AM |
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... |
Touchdown |
Jul-11-10 02:37 AM |
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i love that site too, but i'm just giving you my opinion |
dionysus |
Jul-11-10 02:42 AM |
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Jul-11-10 02:53 AM |
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So you are opposed to the repeal of DADT! Okay! |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-11-10 03:05 AM |
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I really shouldn't be defending him, but |
Touchdown |
Jul-11-10 04:02 AM |
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um, no, i am not opposed to appealing it. |
dionysus |
Jul-11-10 02:15 PM |
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Okay, that's good. I guess we'll find out what Obama thinks |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-11-10 03:32 PM |
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don't hold your breath waiting |
Skittles |
Jul-11-10 01:01 AM |
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so you're saying obama is fucking with ppl on this, in reality wanting to screw over the GLBT |
dionysus |
Jul-11-10 02:23 AM |
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well, I don't think he necessarily is actively seeking to screw over GLBT |
Skittles |
Jul-11-10 03:22 AM |
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I didn't say this, Skittles did, but I'll answer for me: yes |
LostinVA |
Jul-11-10 07:07 AM |
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K & R nt |
laughingliberal |
Jul-11-10 01:03 AM |
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What if I come up to you and do that anyways? n/t |
LoZoccolo |
Jul-11-10 02:27 AM |
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well, i'll still run up to you and make fun of oasis, so at least you'll have something to do |
dionysus |
Jul-11-10 02:30 AM |
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I'll make a deal with you. If you see the Oasis movie... |
LoZoccolo |
Jul-11-10 02:35 AM |
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Jul-11-10 02:41 AM |
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Backing away slowly... |
PBS Poll-435 |
Jul-11-10 02:57 AM |
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Oh' Please! Like I'd want an Oasis fan in my house! |
Touchdown |
Jul-11-10 03:00 AM |
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Are those those two feuding brothers from Old America? |
PBS Poll-435 |
Jul-11-10 03:01 AM |
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Jul-11-10 03:58 AM |
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recommend |
xchrom |
Jul-11-10 07:16 AM |
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Jul-11-10 08:55 AM |
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And that is a two way street |
Bluenorthwest |
Jul-11-10 09:33 AM |
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That is false. |
KonaKane |
Jul-11-10 04:40 PM |
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Jul-11-10 08:57 AM |
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I truly doubt Obama is going to be moved by this hostage demand technique. |
KonaKane |
Jul-11-10 04:43 PM |
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Thanks for the kick, *ignored* |
Touchdown |
Jul-11-10 05:11 PM |
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Any updates on this, Touchdown? n/t |
LostinVA |
Jul-12-10 08:12 PM |
#128 |