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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 11:29 AM
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78. There will always be portions of the party who will feel demoralized, if they let themselves be.
There are pro-life and pro-gun constituencies in the party, for instance.

If you can think of a way of wording my original post that seems less like "chiding" than the way I did it, I'd be curious to see. I think some people are always going to act and/or feel "hurt" that not everybody agrees with them or that they won't get some things that they want. My point is that I would think that it's pretty understood that trying to ally with others will involve sacrifice, and that you may have to work to get consensus on the thing not yet agreed-upon.
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  -Why join a political party if you are unwilling to compromise? LoZoccolo  Jul-09-10 10:12 AM   #0 
  - The idea of 'party' should not take precedence over the common good.  ixion   Jul-09-10 10:14 AM   #1 
  - >Implying that the people vote Democratic despite the common good.  LoZoccolo   Jul-09-10 10:16 AM   #3 
  - I've seen plenty of people put party politics before the common good...  ixion   Jul-09-10 10:22 AM   #11 
  - But, who decides what the "common good" is? I don't believe in...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-09-10 10:38 AM   #24 
  - What minority opinion would say, someone like me, hold that you don't?  boston bean   Jul-09-10 10:16 AM   #2 
  - Why do pro-corporate donors spend so much to defeat Democrats? n/t  LoZoccolo   Jul-09-10 10:18 AM   #5 
     - They also spend a lot of money on Democrats. It's called hedging your bets. n/t  Raineyb   Jul-09-10 10:59 AM   #35 
  - So, don't contribute if you aren't willing to capitulate?  Oregone   Jul-09-10 10:17 AM   #4 
  - Since when does compromise equal capitulate?  KonaKane   Jul-09-10 03:27 PM   #63 
  - But what about when your political party just ignores the opinions of the MAJORITY  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Jul-09-10 10:19 AM   #6 
  - Call me Captain obvious  BootinUp   Jul-09-10 10:28 AM   #19 
  - And you blame the party for that? Politics is always a disgusting...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-09-10 10:45 AM   #29 
  - The Party is supposed to move with the base. Not the other way around.  Romulox   Jul-09-10 10:19 AM   #7 
  - Because a party is supposed to stand for something  notesdev   Jul-09-10 10:20 AM   #8 
  - >Implying that the party doesn't stand for anything.  LoZoccolo   Jul-09-10 10:20 AM   #9 
  - you are inferring. nt  msongs   Jul-09-10 10:23 AM   #12 
  - Well, it stands for Wall Street, we know that much  notesdev   Jul-09-10 10:24 AM   #13 
  - That's not implying anything.  MedicalAdmin   Jul-09-10 10:37 AM   #22 
  - Are you just posting tombstone bait?  Oregone   Jul-09-10 10:37 AM   #23 
     - Same as it ever was.  Ignis   Jul-09-10 11:30 AM   #41 
     - That occured to me, too. He won;'t last long. nt  zanana1   Jul-11-10 05:11 AM   #70 
  - Take the realistic approach...  zanana1   Jul-09-10 10:26 AM   #15 
     - If one makes those assumptions  notesdev   Jul-09-10 10:38 AM   #25 
        - So you'll vote for the other party the next time?  zanana1   Jul-09-10 10:47 AM   #30 
           - Please stop throwing strawmen at me  notesdev   Jul-09-10 11:01 AM   #36 
              - I'll give you an example of how the Obama Admin. has improved my life...  zanana1   Jul-09-10 12:19 PM   #43 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-09-10 12:29 PM   #45 
                    - You definitely have an anger problem.  zanana1   Jul-11-10 04:45 AM   #69 
                    - I'll tell you what; I'll trade places with you, OK?  zanana1   Jul-11-10 05:24 AM   #71 
  - So when do the centrists start compromising? Or I should say, start compromising with the Left?  Forkboy   Jul-09-10 10:21 AM   #10 
  - Maybe you can name the Republican or independant that I endorsed over a Democrat ever.  LoZoccolo   Jul-09-10 10:26 AM   #14 
  - telling people to vote for Lamont after he won the primary was your big compromise?  Forkboy   Jul-09-10 10:38 AM   #26 
     - Just because I haven't had to compromise with this one candidate...  LoZoccolo   Jul-09-10 10:55 AM   #31 
        - It's not a given that compromise will be good or bad until after the fact.  Forkboy   Jul-09-10 11:09 AM   #38 
           - Republicans have to compromise all the time.  LoZoccolo   Jul-09-10 11:23 AM   #40 
              - Do you feel that Bush, Cheney, McCain and Palin were the RW's compromise candidates?  Forkboy   Jul-09-10 11:52 AM   #42 
              - "The" compromise candidates?  LoZoccolo   Jul-09-10 12:42 PM   #47 
              - "There are different degrees of compromise."  Forkboy   Jul-09-10 01:08 PM   #56 
              - P.S. Do you really think I wouldn't notice that you omitted John McCain from your list?  LoZoccolo   Jul-09-10 12:45 PM   #48 
              - P.S. Do you really think I wouldn't notice that you omitted John McCain from your list?  LoZoccolo   Jul-09-10 12:45 PM   #49 
                 - Um...this is my list, quoted verbatim from above......  Forkboy   Jul-09-10 01:05 PM   #52 
                    - I'm on crack rock today, which is why I wrote the original post.  LoZoccolo   Jul-09-10 01:08 PM   #54 
              - but not about money & ruling class power. which is where the action is.  Hannah Bell   Jul-11-10 06:08 AM   #76 
  - P.S. As long as Kucinich has a better chance of winning than his primary opponents...  LoZoccolo   Jul-09-10 10:27 AM   #18 
     - Yup. And he keeps winning.  MineralMan   Jul-09-10 12:31 PM   #46 
  - Why join a political party that thinks compromise is ignoring you? n/t  joeybee12   Jul-09-10 10:27 AM   #16 
  - We are a two party, winner take all nation. That is reality...  Ozymanithrax   Jul-09-10 10:27 AM   #17 
  - Big or small, steps in the wrong direction are counter-productive  TheKentuckian   Jul-09-10 10:59 AM   #34 
     - It is a winner take all, two party system because it is legislated to be.  Ozymanithrax   Jul-09-10 01:33 PM   #60 
        - Take the system apart at the state level then. Two parties means an instant failure  TheKentuckian   Jul-09-10 08:39 PM   #68 
  - There is a huge difference between compromising-  asdjrocky   Jul-09-10 10:29 AM   #20 
  - bravo!  dana_b   Jul-09-10 01:13 PM   #59 
  - When I joined the Whiggs I knew I would have to compromise on some things...  MedicalAdmin   Jul-09-10 10:33 AM   #21 
  - You win the thread.  Romulox   Jul-09-10 10:41 AM   #28 
  - Politics is the art of compromise, but you never give up arguing your own principles  leveymg   Jul-09-10 10:39 AM   #27 
  - I agree with your post, but people often argue their principles in a way...  LoZoccolo   Jul-09-10 11:01 AM   #37 
  - P.S. Thank you for your thoughtful and respectful comments.  LoZoccolo   Jul-09-10 01:12 PM   #58 
     - When people are disappointed they tend to feel betrayed and respond belligerently.  leveymg   Jul-09-10 03:23 PM   #62 
  - i must have missed the compromising.. all i see is conservative agenda continuing  meow mix   Jul-09-10 10:57 AM   #32 
  - Compromise is a two party act. Not a one sided act.  Bluenorthwest   Jul-09-10 10:59 AM   #33 
  - compromise is ok, betrayal is not ok n/t  Enrique   Jul-09-10 11:21 AM   #39 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-09-10 12:24 PM   #44 
  - Why join a political party if you don't have any principles you're willing to stand on?  stranger81   Jul-09-10 01:01 PM   #50 
  - >Implying that I have no principles.  LoZoccolo   Jul-09-10 01:05 PM   #51 
     - You said that, not me.  stranger81   Jul-09-10 01:07 PM   #53 
     - party loyalists usually don't. it's all about their team winning  jonnyblitz   Jul-09-10 01:08 PM   #55 
        - Why didn't I switch to Republican during the 2001-2005 period when they seemed invincible? n/t  LoZoccolo   Jul-09-10 01:09 PM   #57 
           - Same reason why Dallas Cowboys fans don't become Redskins fans  depakid   Jul-11-10 05:30 AM   #73 
  - Crap, LoZo. Now you've done it.  NYC_SKP   Jul-09-10 01:46 PM   #61 
  - Too many here have opted for "my way or the highway" especially on their pet issue.  KonaKane   Jul-09-10 03:30 PM   #64 
     - Agree completely.  JoePhilly   Jul-09-10 03:38 PM   #65 
  - the only game in town  mdmc   Jul-09-10 03:50 PM   #66 
  - Compromise is smart. Wise. But not when one side gives and the other side takes  Stinky The Clown   Jul-09-10 04:09 PM   #67 
  - Huh? Why eat raspberries if you like Beethoven?  Bonobo   Jul-11-10 05:27 AM   #72 
  - Nobody wants to compromise their beliefs.  LoZoccolo   Jul-11-10 11:21 AM   #77 
  - That's a valid question, for yourself, that is.  JHB   Jul-11-10 05:45 AM   #74 
  - There will always be portions of the party who will feel demoralized, if they let themselves be.  LoZoccolo   Jul-11-10 11:29 AM   #78 
  - "it was your responsiblity to convince the rest of the part to take your side"  Hannah Bell   Jul-11-10 06:05 AM   #75 
  - Principled politician = oxymoron.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jul-11-10 11:43 AM   #80 
  - Compromise on what? Basic principles or trivia?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jul-11-10 11:40 AM   #79 
 

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