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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 01:44 AM
Response to Reply #113
123. No, not really,
as I suspect you've already decided what I meant. Feel free to cast your line elsewhere - I'm not in the mood to rise to the bait.
:)

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  -On This Independence Day, Pragmatic Words from Thomas Jefferson, A Solidarity Democrat berni_mccoy  Jul-04-10 12:58 PM   #0 
  - well except for the unfortunate reference to the demented DUer in your first line  grantcart   Jul-04-10 01:44 PM   #1 
  - I had to go back and look to see  Cha   Jul-04-10 02:47 PM   #9 
  - They were friends, then rivals, then friends again  Seneca   Jul-04-10 05:10 PM   #40 
  - "doing what good we can when we cannot do all we would wish."  treestar   Jul-04-10 01:45 PM   #2 
  - ""I will sacrifice everything but principle to procure harmony."  sabrina 1   Jul-04-10 03:14 PM   #16 
     - Wish I could KnR replies.  asdjrocky   Jul-04-10 03:17 PM   #18 
     - +1,000,000 nt  laughingliberal   Jul-04-10 03:31 PM   #27 
     - The definitive rebuttal to the historical revisionism of the OP  Prism   Jul-04-10 04:28 PM   #36 
     - He agreed to going along with not getting all we would wish  treestar   Jul-04-10 08:29 PM   #45 
     - Thanks for that.  Spheric   Jul-04-10 11:07 PM   #59 
     - +100  Hannah Bell   Jul-05-10 04:16 AM   #67 
     - Thanks for demonstrating that Jefferson would want nothing to do  skeptical cynic   Jul-05-10 08:50 AM   #72 
     - +1  JHB   Jul-05-10 03:59 PM   #109 
     - Nailed it.  donco6   Jul-05-10 07:18 PM   #111 
     - +1 for "everything but principle"  Ignis   Jul-06-10 11:18 AM   #116 
  - K & R  Scurrilous   Jul-04-10 01:56 PM   #3 
  - More words from Thomas Jefferson regarding Solidarity Democrats.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jul-04-10 01:57 PM   #4 
  - Excellent. nt  DirkGently   Jul-04-10 10:53 PM   #56 
  - Excellent quote, proving the OP's interpretation of his meaning  sabrina 1   Jul-06-10 11:56 AM   #120 
  - Oh Jefferson....that compromiser! That giver-inner!  KonaKane   Jul-04-10 02:02 PM   #5 
  - Yes, words to ponder but not to misuse, as they are being used  sabrina 1   Jul-04-10 04:40 PM   #38 
     - I agree with your definition of compromise. I just dont agree with some here,  KonaKane   Jul-04-10 10:55 PM   #57 
     - Thank you for trying, sabrina.  enlightenment   Jul-05-10 09:36 AM   #73 
        - Nice drive by. Care to explain?  KonaKane   Jul-05-10 07:22 PM   #113 
           - No, not really,  enlightenment   Jul-07-10 01:44 AM   #123 
  - Jefferson  HughMoran   Jul-04-10 02:09 PM   #6 
  - Recommended.  Bobbie Jo   Jul-04-10 02:34 PM   #7 
  - Brilliant words by Thomas Jefferson, berni..  Cha   Jul-04-10 02:45 PM   #8 
  - Absolutely beautiful. And how very reasonable of him.  DevonRex   Jul-04-10 02:47 PM   #10 
  - What I nice collection of quotes  POAS   Jul-04-10 02:50 PM   #11 
  - The pragmatic slave owner  Oregone   Jul-04-10 02:51 PM   #12 
  - -1 Good grief  DevonRex   Jul-04-10 02:52 PM   #13 
  - -1 I see you have a cockroach as your avatar. Impressive. -1  Hekate   Jul-04-10 03:27 PM   #23 
  - +1  JonLP24   Jul-06-10 12:04 PM   #121 
  - Jefferson would be  oldlib   Jul-04-10 03:00 PM   #14 
  - Jefferson was quite a radical in his day  Prism   Jul-04-10 03:04 PM   #15 
  - Right and he would never reconcile with John Adams either  grantcart   Jul-04-10 03:16 PM   #17 
  - And the more supportive of slavery he got. n/t  Unvanguard   Jul-04-10 03:35 PM   #28 
  - Which has nothing to do with the point  Prism   Jul-04-10 03:40 PM   #30 
     - I have no idea what you mean by pragmatism or what others mean  grantcart   Jul-04-10 03:55 PM   #33 
        - Your definition of practical does not hold  Prism   Jul-04-10 04:07 PM   #34 
           - Excellent post, thank you!  sabrina 1   Jul-04-10 08:03 PM   #42 
  - You could have made your point without being disgusting in the body of your post  Hekate   Jul-04-10 03:29 PM   #26 
  - I believe in accuracy.  Prism   Jul-04-10 03:42 PM   #31 
  - omg, i'm am not worthy!!  nashville_brook   Jul-05-10 10:57 AM   #82 
  - Shameless, absolutely shameless.  asdjrocky   Jul-04-10 03:18 PM   #19 
  - That's our berni!  Forkboy   Jul-05-10 12:51 PM   #100 
  - People often forget that the Constitution was nothing but one big  johnaries   Jul-04-10 03:18 PM   #20 
  - Yeah, slaveowners were willing to compromise that their slaves were only worth 3/5 in the census...  JackRiddler   Jul-04-10 03:23 PM   #21 
     - the Bill of Rights was a part of the compromise.  KonaKane   Jul-04-10 03:37 PM   #29 
        - The Bill of Rights followed due to objections after the Constitution was proposed.  JackRiddler   Jul-04-10 03:53 PM   #32 
           - Actually it was a compromise to Mason's demand that slavery be addressed  KonaKane   Jul-04-10 04:09 PM   #35 
  - Jefferson-- whose memorial in DC gave me goosebumps as I read his words  Hekate   Jul-04-10 03:24 PM   #22 
  - I am a "Solidarity Democrat." However...  Unvanguard   Jul-04-10 03:27 PM   #24 
  - A Kick for our Pragmatic Founders  NJmaverick   Jul-04-10 03:28 PM   #25 
  - You might as well talk to a brick wall.  tabasco   Jul-04-10 04:35 PM   #37 
  - I find this worship of the founding fathers to be both disturbing and distressing...  Cleobulus   Jul-04-10 05:00 PM   #39 
  - Oh, I see what your problem is.  bvar22   Jul-04-10 06:03 PM   #41 
  - Jefferson was no capitulator that's for sure and I agree  sabrina 1   Jul-04-10 08:07 PM   #43 
  - Jefferson? An ally of corporate Democrats? I think not.  Laelth   Jul-04-10 08:28 PM   #44 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-04-10 08:33 PM   #46 
  - And like a wet bottle rocket,  bvar22   Jul-04-10 08:49 PM   #47 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-04-10 09:03 PM   #48 
     - No, berni, it's all a popularity contest TO YOU.  Laelth   Jul-04-10 09:49 PM   #49 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-04-10 10:38 PM   #55 
        - Amen +1000  saracat   Jul-05-10 04:02 AM   #64 
        - thank you. +100.  Hannah Bell   Jul-05-10 04:23 AM   #68 
        - pwned  jgraz   Jul-05-10 08:36 AM   #70 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-05-10 01:36 PM   #105 
        - And one for you:  Ignis   Jul-06-10 11:21 AM   #117 
  - Some clearly aren't happy with our Democratic Presidential heroes that  saracat   Jul-05-10 04:08 AM   #65 
  - This OP is an unbelievable attempt to equate the founding fathers  Raineyb   Jul-05-10 09:52 AM   #74 
     - +1000  donco6   Jul-05-10 07:16 PM   #110 
  - Could you please use something less offensive than "Solidarity Democrat"?  Cleobulus   Jul-04-10 09:51 PM   #50 
  - +1  dflprincess   Jul-04-10 09:58 PM   #51 
  - +2  QC   Jul-04-10 09:59 PM   #52 
  - Sorry you don't like what 80% of the Democratic party is  berni_mccoy   Jul-04-10 10:37 PM   #53 
  - T.J. might not put it that way.  DirkGently   Jul-04-10 10:57 PM   #58 
  - What the hell does my post have to do with liking or not liking...  Cleobulus   Jul-05-10 12:55 AM   #60 
  - +3  ima_sinnic   Jul-05-10 01:48 AM   #61 
  - Sorry, "Solidarity Democrat" was most popular with the focus groups  jgraz   Jul-05-10 08:40 AM   #71 
  - Kick  Scurrilous   Jul-04-10 10:38 PM   #54 
  - I'm impressed that your OP got 12 replies in before someone gratuitously brought up slavery.  apocalypsehow   Jul-05-10 01:58 AM   #62 
  - Slavery is not so gratuitous for those of us descended from those who  Raineyb   Jul-05-10 09:56 AM   #75 
     - Gratuitous hand-waving, and several generations removed. Please try again. n/t.  apocalypsehow   Jul-06-10 07:03 AM   #115 
  - So now we have our own little version of the right-wing echo chamber.  Greyhound   Jul-05-10 03:30 AM   #63 
  - While commercials were running during a show I was watching, I clicked over  truedelphi   Jul-06-10 01:31 PM   #122 
  - There's a much better post about Jefferson on the front page.  laughingliberal   Jul-05-10 04:13 AM   #66 
  - Why are you so threatened by Jefferson's own words?  berni_mccoy   Jul-05-10 08:02 AM   #69 
     - My problem is with your misuse of them.  Raineyb   Jul-05-10 09:59 AM   #76 
     - It's pretty damn hard to misuse his words when they are direct quotes.  berni_mccoy   Jul-05-10 11:04 AM   #84 
        - You use direct quotes then go on to editorialize in a way to completely  Raineyb   Jul-05-10 12:10 PM   #94 
        - Falsly implying that Jefferson would ever support the Corporate  sabrina 1   Jul-05-10 12:44 PM   #98 
        - I never made any such conclusion and you can't put the words in my mouth. Please try again  berni_mccoy   Jul-05-10 01:32 PM   #102 
        - No, it's not hard to misuse someone's words, even when  sabrina 1   Jul-05-10 12:49 PM   #99 
     - No problem at all. Just pointed to a wonderful post with some of Jefferson's words.  laughingliberal   Jul-05-10 10:23 AM   #77 
     - Why do you so misinterpret Jefferson's words? He was certainly  sabrina 1   Jul-05-10 10:31 AM   #79 
        - +1!  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jul-05-10 10:53 AM   #80 
        - +2 nt  laughingliberal   Jul-05-10 10:54 AM   #81 
        - No interpretation at all. Simply posted Jefferson's own words. Unlike you  berni_mccoy   Jul-05-10 11:05 AM   #87 
           - No, you posted his words out of context and left out his most  sabrina 1   Jul-05-10 11:38 AM   #89 
              - Exactly. Then have the nerve to pretend that Jefferson's words aren't being  Raineyb   Jul-05-10 12:11 PM   #95 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-05-10 01:33 PM   #103 
                 - Now you prove you make things up. I don't have 'friends'  sabrina 1   Jul-05-10 02:26 PM   #106 
  - well then obviously we should give even more support to the republican/neocon agenda  meow mix   Jul-05-10 10:31 AM   #78 
  - This reads like an excerpt from the Texas School Book Commission. nt  bertman   Jul-05-10 11:01 AM   #83 
  - oh SNAP!  nashville_brook   Jul-05-10 11:05 AM   #86 
  - Nailed It.  bvar22   Jul-05-10 11:30 AM   #88 
  - Nothing but insults in response to Jefferson's own words. Got it.  berni_mccoy   Jul-05-10 11:54 AM   #90 
  - It was over WAAAY back with Sabrina 1  donco6   Jul-05-10 07:19 PM   #112 
  - You rule.  asdjrocky   Jul-05-10 12:00 PM   #91 
  - LOL...apt comparison in many ways.  Forkboy   Jul-05-10 12:55 PM   #101 
  - OUCH! That's gonna leave a scar! n/t  QC   Jul-05-10 03:46 PM   #107 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-05-10 11:04 AM   #85 
  - Attempting to resolve such issues by quoting a Founding Father is futile.  Hosnon   Jul-05-10 12:05 PM   #92 
  - Resolving issues was not the intention of the op.  asdjrocky   Jul-05-10 12:07 PM   #93 
     - Yes it was. The OP clearly wants to demonstrate that "Solidarity Democrats" ...  Hosnon   Jul-05-10 12:36 PM   #97 
     - You can try all you want to put words that aren't there in my post, but you will fail.  berni_mccoy   Jul-05-10 01:35 PM   #104 
        - Yada, yada, yada.  asdjrocky   Jul-06-10 11:33 AM   #119 
     - Well, "sit down and shut up" is ONE way of resolving issues.  Ignis   Jul-06-10 11:30 AM   #118 
  - Well - he could have just gone along with the British! Many did. When the core values differ -  grahamhgreen   Jul-05-10 12:30 PM   #96 
  - The New Labeling to go with The New Rulez?  Warren Stupidity   Jul-05-10 03:54 PM   #108 
  - The problem with the solidarity and compromise themes is  mmonk   Jul-05-10 07:23 PM   #114 
 

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