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Sun Jul-04-10 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #21 |
| 29. the Bill of Rights was a part of the compromise. |
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According to the protestations of George Mason.
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| -On This Independence Day, Pragmatic Words from Thomas Jefferson, A Solidarity Democrat |
berni_mccoy |
Jul-04-10 12:58 PM |
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well except for the unfortunate reference to the demented DUer in your first line |
grantcart |
Jul-04-10 01:44 PM |
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I had to go back and look to see |
Cha |
Jul-04-10 02:47 PM |
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They were friends, then rivals, then friends again |
Seneca |
Jul-04-10 05:10 PM |
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"doing what good we can when we cannot do all we would wish." |
treestar |
Jul-04-10 01:45 PM |
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""I will sacrifice everything but principle to procure harmony." |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-04-10 03:14 PM |
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Wish I could KnR replies. |
asdjrocky |
Jul-04-10 03:17 PM |
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+1,000,000 nt |
laughingliberal |
Jul-04-10 03:31 PM |
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The definitive rebuttal to the historical revisionism of the OP |
Prism |
Jul-04-10 04:28 PM |
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He agreed to going along with not getting all we would wish |
treestar |
Jul-04-10 08:29 PM |
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Thanks for that. |
Spheric |
Jul-04-10 11:07 PM |
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+100 |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-05-10 04:16 AM |
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Thanks for demonstrating that Jefferson would want nothing to do |
skeptical cynic |
Jul-05-10 08:50 AM |
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+1 |
JHB |
Jul-05-10 03:59 PM |
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Nailed it. |
donco6 |
Jul-05-10 07:18 PM |
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+1 for "everything but principle" |
Ignis |
Jul-06-10 11:18 AM |
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K & R |
Scurrilous |
Jul-04-10 01:56 PM |
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More words from Thomas Jefferson regarding Solidarity Democrats. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jul-04-10 01:57 PM |
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Excellent. nt |
DirkGently |
Jul-04-10 10:53 PM |
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Excellent quote, proving the OP's interpretation of his meaning |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-06-10 11:56 AM |
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Oh Jefferson....that compromiser! That giver-inner! |
KonaKane |
Jul-04-10 02:02 PM |
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Yes, words to ponder but not to misuse, as they are being used |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-04-10 04:40 PM |
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I agree with your definition of compromise. I just dont agree with some here, |
KonaKane |
Jul-04-10 10:55 PM |
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Thank you for trying, sabrina. |
enlightenment |
Jul-05-10 09:36 AM |
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Nice drive by. Care to explain? |
KonaKane |
Jul-05-10 07:22 PM |
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No, not really, |
enlightenment |
Jul-07-10 01:44 AM |
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Jefferson |
HughMoran |
Jul-04-10 02:09 PM |
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Recommended. |
Bobbie Jo |
Jul-04-10 02:34 PM |
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Brilliant words by Thomas Jefferson, berni.. |
Cha |
Jul-04-10 02:45 PM |
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Absolutely beautiful. And how very reasonable of him. |
DevonRex |
Jul-04-10 02:47 PM |
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What I nice collection of quotes |
POAS |
Jul-04-10 02:50 PM |
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The pragmatic slave owner |
Oregone |
Jul-04-10 02:51 PM |
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-1 Good grief |
DevonRex |
Jul-04-10 02:52 PM |
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-1 I see you have a cockroach as your avatar. Impressive. -1 |
Hekate |
Jul-04-10 03:27 PM |
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+1 |
JonLP24 |
Jul-06-10 12:04 PM |
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Jefferson would be |
oldlib |
Jul-04-10 03:00 PM |
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Jefferson was quite a radical in his day |
Prism |
Jul-04-10 03:04 PM |
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Right and he would never reconcile with John Adams either |
grantcart |
Jul-04-10 03:16 PM |
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And the more supportive of slavery he got. n/t |
Unvanguard |
Jul-04-10 03:35 PM |
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Which has nothing to do with the point |
Prism |
Jul-04-10 03:40 PM |
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I have no idea what you mean by pragmatism or what others mean |
grantcart |
Jul-04-10 03:55 PM |
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Your definition of practical does not hold |
Prism |
Jul-04-10 04:07 PM |
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Excellent post, thank you! |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-04-10 08:03 PM |
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You could have made your point without being disgusting in the body of your post |
Hekate |
Jul-04-10 03:29 PM |
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I believe in accuracy. |
Prism |
Jul-04-10 03:42 PM |
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omg, i'm am not worthy!! |
nashville_brook |
Jul-05-10 10:57 AM |
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Shameless, absolutely shameless. |
asdjrocky |
Jul-04-10 03:18 PM |
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That's our berni! |
Forkboy |
Jul-05-10 12:51 PM |
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People often forget that the Constitution was nothing but one big |
johnaries |
Jul-04-10 03:18 PM |
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Yeah, slaveowners were willing to compromise that their slaves were only worth 3/5 in the census... |
JackRiddler |
Jul-04-10 03:23 PM |
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the Bill of Rights was a part of the compromise. |
KonaKane |
Jul-04-10 03:37 PM |
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The Bill of Rights followed due to objections after the Constitution was proposed. |
JackRiddler |
Jul-04-10 03:53 PM |
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Actually it was a compromise to Mason's demand that slavery be addressed |
KonaKane |
Jul-04-10 04:09 PM |
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Jefferson-- whose memorial in DC gave me goosebumps as I read his words |
Hekate |
Jul-04-10 03:24 PM |
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I am a "Solidarity Democrat." However... |
Unvanguard |
Jul-04-10 03:27 PM |
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A Kick for our Pragmatic Founders |
NJmaverick |
Jul-04-10 03:28 PM |
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You might as well talk to a brick wall. |
tabasco |
Jul-04-10 04:35 PM |
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I find this worship of the founding fathers to be both disturbing and distressing... |
Cleobulus |
Jul-04-10 05:00 PM |
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Oh, I see what your problem is. |
bvar22 |
Jul-04-10 06:03 PM |
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Jefferson was no capitulator that's for sure and I agree |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-04-10 08:07 PM |
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Jefferson? An ally of corporate Democrats? I think not. |
Laelth |
Jul-04-10 08:28 PM |
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Jul-04-10 08:33 PM |
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And like a wet bottle rocket, |
bvar22 |
Jul-04-10 08:49 PM |
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Jul-04-10 09:03 PM |
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No, berni, it's all a popularity contest TO YOU. |
Laelth |
Jul-04-10 09:49 PM |
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Jul-04-10 10:38 PM |
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Amen +1000 |
saracat |
Jul-05-10 04:02 AM |
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thank you. +100. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-05-10 04:23 AM |
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pwned |
jgraz |
Jul-05-10 08:36 AM |
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Jul-05-10 01:36 PM |
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And one for you: |
Ignis |
Jul-06-10 11:21 AM |
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Some clearly aren't happy with our Democratic Presidential heroes that |
saracat |
Jul-05-10 04:08 AM |
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This OP is an unbelievable attempt to equate the founding fathers |
Raineyb |
Jul-05-10 09:52 AM |
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+1000 |
donco6 |
Jul-05-10 07:16 PM |
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Could you please use something less offensive than "Solidarity Democrat"? |
Cleobulus |
Jul-04-10 09:51 PM |
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+1 |
dflprincess |
Jul-04-10 09:58 PM |
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+2 |
QC |
Jul-04-10 09:59 PM |
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Sorry you don't like what 80% of the Democratic party is |
berni_mccoy |
Jul-04-10 10:37 PM |
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T.J. might not put it that way. |
DirkGently |
Jul-04-10 10:57 PM |
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What the hell does my post have to do with liking or not liking... |
Cleobulus |
Jul-05-10 12:55 AM |
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+3 |
ima_sinnic |
Jul-05-10 01:48 AM |
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Sorry, "Solidarity Democrat" was most popular with the focus groups |
jgraz |
Jul-05-10 08:40 AM |
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Kick |
Scurrilous |
Jul-04-10 10:38 PM |
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I'm impressed that your OP got 12 replies in before someone gratuitously brought up slavery. |
apocalypsehow |
Jul-05-10 01:58 AM |
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Slavery is not so gratuitous for those of us descended from those who |
Raineyb |
Jul-05-10 09:56 AM |
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Gratuitous hand-waving, and several generations removed. Please try again. n/t. |
apocalypsehow |
Jul-06-10 07:03 AM |
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So now we have our own little version of the right-wing echo chamber. |
Greyhound |
Jul-05-10 03:30 AM |
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While commercials were running during a show I was watching, I clicked over |
truedelphi |
Jul-06-10 01:31 PM |
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There's a much better post about Jefferson on the front page. |
laughingliberal |
Jul-05-10 04:13 AM |
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Why are you so threatened by Jefferson's own words? |
berni_mccoy |
Jul-05-10 08:02 AM |
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My problem is with your misuse of them. |
Raineyb |
Jul-05-10 09:59 AM |
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It's pretty damn hard to misuse his words when they are direct quotes. |
berni_mccoy |
Jul-05-10 11:04 AM |
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You use direct quotes then go on to editorialize in a way to completely |
Raineyb |
Jul-05-10 12:10 PM |
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Falsly implying that Jefferson would ever support the Corporate |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-05-10 12:44 PM |
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I never made any such conclusion and you can't put the words in my mouth. Please try again |
berni_mccoy |
Jul-05-10 01:32 PM |
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No, it's not hard to misuse someone's words, even when |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-05-10 12:49 PM |
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No problem at all. Just pointed to a wonderful post with some of Jefferson's words. |
laughingliberal |
Jul-05-10 10:23 AM |
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Why do you so misinterpret Jefferson's words? He was certainly |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-05-10 10:31 AM |
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+1! |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jul-05-10 10:53 AM |
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+2 nt |
laughingliberal |
Jul-05-10 10:54 AM |
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No interpretation at all. Simply posted Jefferson's own words. Unlike you |
berni_mccoy |
Jul-05-10 11:05 AM |
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No, you posted his words out of context and left out his most |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-05-10 11:38 AM |
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Exactly. Then have the nerve to pretend that Jefferson's words aren't being |
Raineyb |
Jul-05-10 12:11 PM |
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Jul-05-10 01:33 PM |
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Now you prove you make things up. I don't have 'friends' |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-05-10 02:26 PM |
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well then obviously we should give even more support to the republican/neocon agenda |
meow mix |
Jul-05-10 10:31 AM |
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This reads like an excerpt from the Texas School Book Commission. nt |
bertman |
Jul-05-10 11:01 AM |
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oh SNAP! |
nashville_brook |
Jul-05-10 11:05 AM |
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Nailed It. |
bvar22 |
Jul-05-10 11:30 AM |
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Nothing but insults in response to Jefferson's own words. Got it. |
berni_mccoy |
Jul-05-10 11:54 AM |
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It was over WAAAY back with Sabrina 1 |
donco6 |
Jul-05-10 07:19 PM |
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You rule. |
asdjrocky |
Jul-05-10 12:00 PM |
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LOL...apt comparison in many ways. |
Forkboy |
Jul-05-10 12:55 PM |
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OUCH! That's gonna leave a scar! n/t |
QC |
Jul-05-10 03:46 PM |
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Jul-05-10 11:04 AM |
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Attempting to resolve such issues by quoting a Founding Father is futile. |
Hosnon |
Jul-05-10 12:05 PM |
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Resolving issues was not the intention of the op. |
asdjrocky |
Jul-05-10 12:07 PM |
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Yes it was. The OP clearly wants to demonstrate that "Solidarity Democrats" ... |
Hosnon |
Jul-05-10 12:36 PM |
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You can try all you want to put words that aren't there in my post, but you will fail. |
berni_mccoy |
Jul-05-10 01:35 PM |
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Yada, yada, yada. |
asdjrocky |
Jul-06-10 11:33 AM |
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Well, "sit down and shut up" is ONE way of resolving issues. |
Ignis |
Jul-06-10 11:30 AM |
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Well - he could have just gone along with the British! Many did. When the core values differ - |
grahamhgreen |
Jul-05-10 12:30 PM |
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The New Labeling to go with The New Rulez? |
Warren Stupidity |
Jul-05-10 03:54 PM |
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The problem with the solidarity and compromise themes is |
mmonk |
Jul-05-10 07:23 PM |
#114 |
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