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Response to Reply #216
229. I think you need to consider the possibility...
...that the people on the "other side" are actually acting in good faith. They are not here to "message" any more than you are.
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  -Skinner and admins, I dont think your rule clarifications deal with the core problem here in DU. rhett o rick  Jul-01-10 07:37 PM   #0 
  - So, what do you suggest?  GodlessBiker   Jul-01-10 07:39 PM   #1 
  - That's a vital question --- how do we bridge the gap?  Zhade   Jul-01-10 09:56 PM   #199 
  - Clearly calling those who disagree with you "Republicans" isn't going to work out.  Robb   Jul-01-10 10:04 PM   #205 
  - I have no problem with that, seeing as how it's an irrational statement...  Zhade   Jul-01-10 11:37 PM   #274 
  - Yes there is  Hutzpa   Jul-02-10 01:05 AM   #344 
  - So who is the Republican/conservative in disguise? The person who  pnwmom   Jul-02-10 01:17 AM   #347 
  - Thats my point exactly  Hutzpa   Jul-02-10 10:04 AM   #496 
  - So when people agree with both those statements, like me, that makes us conservatives?  pnwmom   Jul-02-10 03:42 PM   #641 
  - It`s hardly a gift. A four-year -old can manipulate a parent. A dog can manipulate it`s master.  fatbuckel   Jul-02-10 01:22 PM   #583 
     - You should know n/t  Hutzpa   Jul-02-10 03:52 PM   #647 
  - I agree that those examples suggest something. It's just impossible to know for certain...  Zhade   Jul-02-10 05:52 PM   #713 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-02-10 03:53 AM   #376 
  - We need but one answer  howaboutme   Jul-02-10 07:55 PM   #745 
  - Again, what do you suggest?  GodlessBiker   Jul-02-10 08:13 PM   #751 
  - +1  chillspike   Jul-03-10 04:06 PM   #815 
  - This is no suggestion - merely wishful thinking: Wouldn't it be  Cal33   Jul-03-10 04:10 PM   #817 
  - Proud to rec sincere and well thought out post  havocmom   Jul-01-10 07:40 PM   #2 
  - I gave it a rec too...still didn't show.  CaliforniaPeggy   Jul-01-10 07:41 PM   #5 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-01-10 07:53 PM   #28 
     - And now it's at +9...  SidDithers   Jul-01-10 08:02 PM   #41 
        - San Francisky? Did you drive or did you flew?  Bonobo   Jul-01-10 08:08 PM   #55 
        - Don't confuse me with the Junior Woodchucks, Sidney  Sebastian Doyle   Jul-01-10 08:10 PM   #61 
           - +132 and counting...  SidDithers   Jul-02-10 07:06 AM   #407 
           - tell that to the 1 issue voters who vociferously defended the NRA in recent interactions I have had.  corkhead   Jul-02-10 09:57 AM   #493 
              - I tend to doubt that.  bobburgster   Jul-02-10 03:31 PM   #638 
     - I just rec'd it also, but it didn't show. Kind of makes  sabrina 1   Jul-01-10 08:37 PM   #100 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-01-10 07:41 PM   #3 
  - So, you're claiming that centrist Democrats are actually Republicans?  blogslut   Jul-01-10 07:41 PM   #4 
  - When they vote with Republicans,  donco6   Jul-01-10 07:44 PM   #10 
  - We arent talking about Congress people, were talking about DUers  MadBadger   Jul-01-10 07:45 PM   #13 
  - That's one group he mentioned, yes  donco6   Jul-01-10 07:47 PM   #16 
  - "Here in DU"  MadBadger   Jul-01-10 07:49 PM   #23 
  - Oh no?  Sebastian Doyle   Jul-01-10 07:58 PM   #36 
  - If you constantly bash Barack Obama well... you might be  CBR   Jul-01-10 07:59 PM   #37 
  - " I just tell the truth about them and they think it's Hell."  MannyGoldstein   Jul-01-10 08:02 PM   #39 
  - ""Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain, and most fools do."  CBR   Jul-01-10 08:04 PM   #45 
     - "Admiration is the daughter of ignorance."  MannyGoldstein   Jul-01-10 08:06 PM   #49 
        - SNAP!  rateyes   Jul-02-10 12:22 AM   #323 
        - Wait a minute  Hutzpa   Jul-02-10 12:24 AM   #326 
        - oh snap and a half!  Donnachaidh   Jul-02-10 08:31 AM   #448 
        - filias veritatis  SemperEadem   Jul-02-10 09:36 AM   #481 
  - Yes  Sebastian Doyle   Jul-01-10 08:06 PM   #48 
  - I could hang out in the woods instead -- the content is almost  CBR   Jul-01-10 08:08 PM   #56 
  - If you equate legitimate criticism with bashing,  Individualist   Jul-01-10 08:29 PM   #89 
  - utter hogwash and simpleton logic.  tomp   Jul-01-10 11:22 PM   #262 
  - Bashing Obama is not just for Repugs  lark   Jul-02-10 01:20 PM   #580 
  - Yes they do give heartaches, but keep in mind...  bobburgster   Jul-02-10 03:36 PM   #640 
  - Really Depends on the Bashing  liberalmike27   Jul-02-10 03:55 PM   #649 
  - if you support charlie crist  SwampG8r   Jul-01-10 11:11 PM   #250 
  - Thank you!  Sebastian Doyle   Jul-01-10 11:46 PM   #282 
  - +billions and billions(as Carl Sagan never actually said).  Ken Burch   Jul-01-10 11:53 PM   #290 
  - He didn't?  Sebastian Doyle   Jul-02-10 12:03 AM   #299 
     - He said "billions"  Ken Burch   Jul-02-10 12:14 AM   #315 
        - Or Captain Kirk never saying "Beam Me Up Scotty"?  Sebastian Doyle   Jul-02-10 12:26 AM   #327 
        - i think once i heard  SwampG8r   Jul-02-10 12:35 AM   #333 
        - As I recall it, it was Johnny Carson who actually turned it into "billions and billions"  Ken Burch   Jul-02-10 04:14 PM   #662 
        - Maybe it's the "flashback echo" in your mind.  Ken Burch   Jul-02-10 12:53 AM   #339 
        - He wrote a book titled "Billions and Billions"  bananas   Jul-02-10 06:09 AM   #389 
           - At that point, he was "in on the joke".  Ken Burch   Jul-02-10 04:13 PM   #661 
  - Except that... who the hell in the general public in Florida knows who Meek is?  1monster   Jul-02-10 05:43 AM   #384 
  - +1 nt  Enthusiast   Jul-02-10 01:42 AM   #349 
  - The point is, if the DLC Centrist Dems,  truedelphi   Jul-02-10 02:34 PM   #613 
  - The OP is calling DUers who don't agree with him, Republicans  blogslut   Jul-01-10 07:46 PM   #14 
  - Yup. That's it in a nutshell. nt  DevonRex   Jul-01-10 07:52 PM   #27 
  - not really  CreekDog   Jul-01-10 07:58 PM   #35 
  - The OP is calling right wing Democrats right wing Democrats, which they are.  robinlynne   Jul-01-10 08:28 PM   #85 
  - Delete. Posted to wrong place.  sinkingfeeling   Jul-02-10 07:50 AM   #421 
  - Please quote the author when he stated that those that dont agree with him  rhett o rick   Jul-01-10 09:32 PM   #184 
  - Is lying about what was posted within the rules or a violation  havocmom   Jul-01-10 09:38 PM   #187 
  - Yep, does that to anyone who questions anything he says. I stated a simple fact about  sinkingfeeling   Jul-02-10 07:53 AM   #422 
  - No "he" asked you if you supported the blue dogs. I dont believe you answered.  rhett o rick   Jul-02-10 09:09 AM   #469 
     - No, I said the bill could not get through the House without the help of some Republicans because  sinkingfeeling   Jul-02-10 09:57 AM   #492 
  - The OP did not  spiritual_gunfighter   Jul-02-10 08:37 AM   #452 
  - When the OP telling the truth is the issue, things are dysfunctional.  Romulox   Jul-02-10 09:05 AM   #467 
  - So when Feingold votes with the Republicans almost more than anyone else  grantcart   Jul-01-10 08:05 PM   #46 
  - Apparenlty he has a 'get out of Republican jail free' card  HughMoran   Jul-01-10 08:08 PM   #54 
  - really? on what planet is this?  robinlynne   Jul-01-10 08:29 PM   #86 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-01-10 08:49 PM   #114 
  - here you go  grantcart   Jul-01-10 08:53 PM   #120 
     - The source of those paragraphs is Blue Wave News  Individualist   Jul-01-10 08:55 PM   #126 
     - and the source of the statistics is Feingold's voting record  grantcart   Jul-02-10 12:13 AM   #313 
        - You're ignoring the reasons he voted that way. That doesn't make him a Blue Dawg  Major Hogwash   Jul-02-10 09:47 AM   #484 
           - No its not  grantcart   Jul-02-10 12:54 PM   #571 
              - Yes it is. REasons matter and putting someone who has stated that he wants improvements and stated  Raineyb   Jul-02-10 04:07 PM   #658 
              - Voting for things they don't agree with makes the real point. Their protestations then ring hollow.  Zhade   Jul-02-10 07:48 PM   #743 
     - Yeah, the same way 'Kucinich votes with the Republicans'. Please  sabrina 1   Jul-03-10 12:44 AM   #780 
  - Is Obama?  dflprincess   Jul-01-10 10:08 PM   #208 
  - You mean like Russ Feingold? (nt)  Tarheel_Dem   Jul-01-10 08:12 PM   #66 
  - LOL, you said "centrist". He he. nm  rhett o rick   Jul-01-10 07:45 PM   #11 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-01-10 07:48 PM   #18 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-01-10 09:09 PM   #145 
     - Happy tree friends?  Enthusiast   Jul-02-10 01:49 AM   #352 
        - Kids these days.  Ignis   Jul-02-10 08:02 PM   #747 
           - Honestly, I had no idea.  Enthusiast   Jul-03-10 01:58 AM   #783 
  - Today's "Centrist Democrats" Are Roughly Reagan Republicans  MannyGoldstein   Jul-01-10 07:45 PM   #12 
  - Well said!  Hatchling   Jul-01-10 08:55 PM   #125 
  - true  SwampG8r   Jul-01-10 11:18 PM   #256 
  - And they have bought into  Enthusiast   Jul-02-10 01:50 AM   #354 
  - Some here are to the right of Poppy Bush and Nixon, imo. nt  Romulox   Jul-02-10 09:06 AM   #468 
  - To the Right of Nixon as well, even to the Right of Reagan on a few issues. nt  Lorien   Jul-02-10 10:50 AM   #518 
  - not what the OP said  CreekDog   Jul-01-10 07:57 PM   #34 
  - "There is a growing number of bad Democrats (DINO's) that vote Republican."  DevonRex   Jul-01-10 08:02 PM   #40 
  - yes, not necessarily for Republicans but with them on legislation.  CreekDog   Jul-01-10 08:57 PM   #128 
  - how could anyone dispute that?  SwampG8r   Jul-01-10 11:20 PM   #260 
  - The problem is that, like the goal posts, the "center" has moved quite some distance...  villager   Jul-01-10 08:03 PM   #42 
  - more or less  HughMoran   Jul-01-10 08:09 PM   #60 
  - You know the Senate was 1 vote from getting the bill on UI to the floor. Snowe/ Collins are on board  laughingliberal   Jul-01-10 08:14 PM   #68 
  - Did anybody here support him for this vote?  Telly Savalas   Jul-01-10 08:48 PM   #113 
     - I don't see anyone posting OPs excoriating him either. But they often do when more left leaning  Raineyb   Jul-02-10 09:55 AM   #491 
  - First of all Dems who vote like Republicans are not Centrist. They are right-wing.  robinlynne   Jul-01-10 08:27 PM   #82 
  - The OP specifically mentions DLC "New-Democrats" which  NorthCarolina   Jul-02-10 07:42 AM   #418 
  - Yes, they are. The new center is the old "right wing"  Lorien   Jul-02-10 10:49 AM   #516 
  - Ben Nelson is a Republican  lark   Jul-02-10 01:11 PM   #577 
  - If you are old enough to remember the Republican party of  truedelphi   Jul-02-10 02:24 PM   #609 
  - Politically, the goals of the centrist Democrats (DLC New Dems)  NorthCarolina   Jul-04-10 12:47 PM   #837 
  - Its clear you spend no time on DU whatsoever.  MadBadger   Jul-01-10 07:43 PM   #6 
  - +1. nt  DevonRex   Jul-01-10 07:47 PM   #15 
  - Good post...  SidDithers   Jul-01-10 07:51 PM   #25 
  - you not only figured that out, you phrased it perfectly. Thanks.  KittyWampus   Jul-01-10 07:51 PM   #26 
  - Yeah  HughMoran   Jul-01-10 08:05 PM   #47 
  - oh, I see. The "New Democrats" are now "Liberal Democrats." yeah, right. whatever.  ima_sinnic   Jul-01-10 08:11 PM   #62 
  - Seems to me like we are talking about two different things. I'm talking about DU,  MadBadger   Jul-01-10 08:16 PM   #70 
  - uh, no. (nt)  ima_sinnic   Jul-01-10 08:21 PM   #75 
  - sounds like crickets to me  HughMoran   Jul-01-10 08:22 PM   #76 
  - What a thought-provoking post  MadBadger   Jul-01-10 08:47 PM   #111 
  - agreed  HughMoran   Jul-01-10 08:22 PM   #77 
  - I don't really see what your saying.  Usrename   Jul-01-10 09:03 PM   #134 
     - I know for a fact that nobody that here that isnt a troll thinks that...  MadBadger   Jul-01-10 09:07 PM   #143 
        - I don't think it's a very exteme view at all.  Usrename   Jul-01-10 09:47 PM   #194 
        - i have been told  SwampG8r   Jul-01-10 11:31 PM   #270 
  - Interesting distortion there - sounds very Orwellian  HughMoran   Jul-01-10 08:21 PM   #74 
  - +1000  stranger81   Jul-01-10 09:06 PM   #139 
  - Oooo, now the addition of "chuckes" gives a whole new meaning to Patronizing  MadBadger   Jul-01-10 09:08 PM   #144 
  - There's an organized talking points campaign for the "centrists" to appropriate "progressive"  Romulox   Jul-02-10 09:11 AM   #471 
  - Actually, we progressives are liberal Democrats. The Democrats the Op refers to are  robinlynne   Jul-01-10 08:30 PM   #90 
  - Ah yes start out your argument with that. Where in your opinion do the DLC  rhett o rick   Jul-01-10 09:22 PM   #173 
  - One side doesnt spit fireballs at the DLC, because they dont think they matter in any way anymore  MadBadger   Jul-01-10 09:25 PM   #176 
     - How funny!  Individualist   Jul-01-10 09:45 PM   #190 
     - I think maybe it's you that isn't spending a lot of time on DU  spiritual_gunfighter   Jul-02-10 08:44 AM   #456 
     - It's clear that you spend no time on DU whatsoever. nt  Lorien   Jul-02-10 10:52 AM   #520 
  - +1. Well said. Thanks for being inclusive.  Kind of Blue   Jul-01-10 09:33 PM   #185 
  - +1 thank you  Hekate   Jul-02-10 02:32 AM   #366 
  - Thank you MadBadger.  berni_mccoy   Jul-02-10 06:46 AM   #403 
  - Interesting definition  droidamus2   Jul-02-10 07:46 AM   #419 
  - Your analysis is more accurate.  ColesCountyDem   Jul-02-10 08:37 AM   #451 
  - Yay! Have you seen today's pictures of Obama looking cool?  MannyGoldstein   Jul-01-10 07:43 PM   #7 
  - That picture makes me feel all funny inside!!! n/t  QC   Jul-01-10 08:37 PM   #99 
  - Wow.(nt)  redqueen   Jul-01-10 07:43 PM   #8 
  - I'm wit' u, bud. K and R nt  Smarmie Doofus   Jul-01-10 07:44 PM   #9 
  - Don't the new rules say that you're not supposed to be accusing Democrats here  pnwmom   Jul-01-10 07:48 PM   #17 
  - Aren't there Republicans  Enthusiast   Jul-02-10 01:58 AM   #357 
  - There are plenty of non-Democrats on DU masquerading as Democrats...nt  SidDithers   Jul-02-10 06:03 AM   #387 
  - Yes!  ericblair   Jul-02-10 07:02 PM   #727 
  - The 'true progressives' here are some of the most intolerant  geek tragedy   Jul-02-10 08:48 AM   #460 
     - Duzy!!!! n/t  spiritual_gunfighter   Jul-02-10 12:06 PM   #551 
     - Hear! Hear!  HughMoran   Jul-03-10 01:00 PM   #798 
  - Agreed. It comes down to this:  Bonobo   Jul-01-10 07:48 PM   #19 
  - I agree. If the owners of DU want a safe Party/Administration bubble,  tekisui   Jul-01-10 08:28 PM   #84 
  - duzy  SwampG8r   Jul-01-10 11:34 PM   #271 
     - Sadly, no  Bobbie Jo   Jul-01-10 11:53 PM   #291 
        - i know jeff stopped  SwampG8r   Jul-02-10 12:33 AM   #332 
           - Empty as it is.  Bobbie Jo   Jul-02-10 12:56 AM   #341 
  - Did you ever stop to consider that the owners of DU might support the DLC themselves?  earth mom   Jul-01-10 07:48 PM   #20 
  - What evidence of that might you have?  MineralMan   Jul-01-10 08:03 PM   #43 
  - That's one of the rumors that runs rampant someplace else. That  DevonRex   Jul-01-10 08:07 PM   #51 
  - One can review the recent gang-tombstoning  MannyGoldstein   Jul-01-10 08:13 PM   #67 
  - I pay absolutely no attention to who comes and who goes here.  MineralMan   Jul-01-10 08:15 PM   #69 
  - +1  Individualist   Jul-01-10 08:33 PM   #93 
  - they were so pissed they couldn't shit on democrats freely, so they asked to be banned.  dionysus   Jul-02-10 10:47 AM   #514 
  - Al From disagrees with you that their influence is overrated.  Individualist   Jul-01-10 08:35 PM   #95 
     - "1998"??????????? n/t  emulatorloo   Jul-02-10 02:37 PM   #615 
        - You have a problem with '98? Here are his comments from 2009!!!!!!  Individualist   Jul-02-10 04:28 PM   #673 
           - I still think he is a delusional idiot. He can say anything he wants about his supposed "influence"  emulatorloo   Jul-04-10 12:04 PM   #832 
  - Ah, the DLC meme. How tired. How sad.  MineralMan   Jul-01-10 08:18 PM   #72 
  - There's an even sadder meme  Moochy   Jul-01-10 08:59 PM   #132 
     - +1000 lol  ima_sinnic   Jul-01-10 09:06 PM   #140 
     - Hear, hear!  Individualist   Jul-01-10 09:14 PM   #156 
     - Now that's really unfair to Satan  Sebastian Doyle   Jul-02-10 12:13 AM   #314 
     - Zing!  Lorien   Jul-02-10 10:54 AM   #523 
  - WHAT!?! No they don't!  Odin2005   Jul-01-10 08:55 PM   #124 
  - I think the discussion, or the tension, is engendered by what DU started as, vs. what it may have...  villager   Jul-01-10 09:07 PM   #142 
  - Great observation...  Larry Ogg   Jul-02-10 12:34 PM   #568 
     - If you are under the belief that as far as bad economic times, we haven't seen anything yet -  truedelphi   Jul-02-10 02:45 PM   #618 
        - I heard a lot about these elite organizations  Larry Ogg   Jul-02-10 08:03 PM   #749 
           - Yep, most people want to be able to "pretend" that  truedelphi   Jul-03-10 01:51 PM   #801 
  - things aren't always as they seem ... (nt)  ima_sinnic   Jul-01-10 09:09 PM   #148 
  - There's madness afoot here, Odin  Hekate   Jul-02-10 02:42 AM   #368 
  - support or supported by?  havocmom   Jul-01-10 08:57 PM   #131 
  - "They will not answer questions like why won't Pres Obama fix the..."  Boojatta   Jul-01-10 07:48 PM   #21 
  - nice  redqueen   Jul-01-10 08:43 PM   #104 
  - You did not misunderstand. Those that are lock-step Democrats will not  rhett o rick   Jul-01-10 11:07 PM   #246 
  - Sorry I missed your reply. I think you understand. I admit I stumbled  rhett o rick   Jul-04-10 02:21 PM   #842 
  - Plus there is the Group Hijack Attack.  Warren Stupidity   Jul-01-10 07:49 PM   #22 
  - +1000 Thank you n/t  Catherina   Jul-01-10 08:29 PM   # 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-01-10 08:39 PM   #102 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-01-10 08:47 PM   #109 
     - +10000000  Moochy   Jul-01-10 09:18 PM   #162 
        - Thanks. Whatever I posted must have been pretty cool.  Ignis   Jul-02-10 01:47 PM   #592 
           - A wink is as good as a nod  Moochy   Jul-02-10 05:45 PM   #711 
              - Fuck. There goes my beer AND my laptop screen.  Ignis   Jul-02-10 07:24 PM   #732 
  - Oh, like this thread for instance?  Bobbie Jo   Jul-01-10 08:54 PM   #121 
  - *crickets* As expected.  Bobbie Jo   Jul-02-10 12:17 AM   #320 
  - "a conscious effort to exploit The New Rules in order to suppress dissent"  Ignis   Jul-01-10 08:56 PM   #127 
  - they are virtual ants  Warren Stupidity   Jul-01-10 09:15 PM   #157 
     - I'd say that's a pretty generous comparison.  Ignis   Jul-02-10 05:16 PM   #699 
  - +1,000,000,000,000  Odin2005   Jul-01-10 08:57 PM   #130 
  - Exactly right n/t  MissDeeds   Jul-01-10 11:02 PM   #237 
  - There's a mess o projection going on too  havocmom   Jul-02-10 09:04 PM   #761 
  - I have some questions for you.  DevonRex   Jul-01-10 07:50 PM   #24 
  - One of the main problems here is that as soon as you disagree  CBR   Jul-01-10 07:53 PM   #29 
  - And thats exactly what the OP is doing  MadBadger   Jul-01-10 07:55 PM   #32 
  - The OP took it further and said that anyone  DevonRex   Jul-01-10 07:57 PM   #33 
  - Please give the quote from the OP that says that. nm  rhett o rick   Jul-01-10 11:14 PM   #253 
  - "There is a growing number of bad Democrats (DINO's) that vote Republican."  DevonRex   Jul-02-10 09:50 AM   #487 
  - well, you gotta feel pure somehow! CRUISE MISSLES!!11!!  dionysus   Jul-02-10 10:49 AM   #517 
     - I'm still trying to figure out why anybody here should be forced to answer  DevonRex   Jul-02-10 10:57 AM   #524 
        - in my opinion, what is being inferred is if you support obama you're not a True Liberal (tm) dammit!  dionysus   Jul-02-10 11:04 AM   #527 
           - I think he's saying there should be a rule banning Obama supporters  DevonRex   Jul-02-10 11:15 AM   #529 
  - The labels are tossed around by all sides and is always unproductive.  tekisui   Jul-01-10 08:30 PM   #91 
  - That was a very, very reasonable thing to say.  DevonRex   Jul-01-10 08:34 PM   #94 
     - Thanks for the matched response.  tekisui   Jul-01-10 08:44 PM   #106 
  - Ok, you tell me why the Pres doesnt fix the Bush DOJ? When I ask that, you guys always just attack  rhett o rick   Jul-01-10 09:25 PM   #178 
     - *crickets*  Individualist   Jul-01-10 10:03 PM   #204 
     - Sounds like a legitimate  Enthusiast   Jul-02-10 02:05 AM   #362 
     - It's a pretty meaningless question  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-02-10 04:15 AM   #379 
     - I could give you a list but not sure that would change anything.  rhett o rick   Jul-02-10 08:09 AM   #425 
     - Here was Clinton's fix for the first Bush "Justice" department  Moochy   Jul-02-10 09:48 AM   #485 
     - Obama has been slightly slower, but had nominated 67 new ones by April this year  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-02-10 10:02 AM   #494 
        - More from the wikipedia article I posted that bolsters your point  Moochy   Jul-02-10 10:09 AM   #499 
     - Nonanswer.  Individualist   Jul-02-10 10:08 AM   #497 
     - Possibly because the Senate won't confirm his nominees  Hippo_Tron   Jul-02-10 11:28 PM   #775 
  - Wow. A truly challenging post that confronts a lot of my conflicted feelings directly.  Mike 03   Jul-01-10 07:54 PM   #30 
  - Clearly you are outrage challenged.  DevonRex   Jul-01-10 07:55 PM   #31 
  - Outrage = pout= pony = lame. nt  Bonobo   Jul-01-10 08:07 PM   #50 
     - That was a very desperate attempt to put words in my mouth. I pity you. nt  DevonRex   Jul-01-10 08:08 PM   #57 
     - Was that supposed to be funny?  HughMoran   Jul-01-10 08:23 PM   #80 
        - If it was, it failed miserably...nt  SidDithers   Jul-02-10 07:20 AM   #414 
  - I didnt say failure. But the conflict in DU is between the progressives and the DLC sympathizer,  rhett o rick   Jul-01-10 09:29 PM   #182 
  - End corporate rights now!  Lint Head   Jul-01-10 08:02 PM   #38 
  - I still think we support President Obama and the Democrats BUT  Bitwit1234   Jul-01-10 08:03 PM   #44 
  - K&R n/t  muffin1   Jul-01-10 08:07 PM   #52 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-01-10 08:07 PM   #53 
  - "Reagan Democrats"?! and just who the hell are you, again?  Hekate   Jul-02-10 03:02 AM   #371 
  - Have you read the statement from the "corporatist" group  ProSense   Jul-01-10 08:08 PM   #58 
  - I asked the same questions a few days ago... it is depressing.  SunnySong   Jul-01-10 08:09 PM   #59 
  - Nice post  malaise   Jul-01-10 08:11 PM   #63 
  - Unrec for calling other Liberals "conservatives". nt  johnaries   Jul-01-10 08:12 PM   #64 
  - It is confusing to know what to call a Democrat who is voting with the Republicans to block UI.  laughingliberal   Jul-01-10 08:22 PM   #78 
  - Conservative, rightwing, or asshole all work for me. nt.  Warren Stupidity   Jul-01-10 08:27 PM   #83 
  - Why "or?" I say "and."  Ignis   Jul-01-10 08:32 PM   #92 
     - 'or' is inclusive not exclusive.  Warren Stupidity   Jul-01-10 08:35 PM   #97 
        - Boolean logic fight, behind the computer lab. Be there.  Ignis   Jul-01-10 08:42 PM   #103 
           - i always bet  SwampG8r   Jul-02-10 12:15 AM   #318 
              - Don't MAKE me put on an MC Frontalot album!  Ignis   Jul-02-10 11:46 AM   #537 
                 - Origin of the Species is one of my favorite songs ever!  Zhade   Jul-03-10 08:07 PM   #824 
  - I call them what they are. Republicans.  Raineyb   Jul-01-10 09:10 PM   #150 
  - But I have not heard ONE person support Nelson. Maybe I missed it but I don't think anyone here  OregonBlue   Jul-01-10 10:37 PM   #223 
  - With all due respect, I could give a rodent's behind what trolls reading our site think.  laughingliberal   Jul-02-10 12:12 AM   #310 
  - My problem is his suggestion that those here on DU that  johnaries   Jul-01-10 11:45 PM   #281 
  - Unrec your unrec for lame attempt to redefine "Liberal"  Sebastian Doyle   Jul-01-10 08:29 PM   #87 
  - Actually, I think it's the OP who's trying to redefine "Liberal".  johnaries   Jul-02-10 02:02 AM   #358 
     - "That places me somewhere between Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama. "  fascisthunter   Jul-02-10 07:43 PM   #739 
  - IMO the only thing worse than a neocon is a neocon enabler.  Individualist   Jul-01-10 08:39 PM   #101 
  - And how many of those neo-con enablers are here on DU?  johnaries   Jul-02-10 02:04 AM   #361 
     - DLC is a stealth organization  Individualist   Jul-02-10 10:11 AM   #500 
  - Blue Dog's, New Dem's and DLC'rs are not Liberals nor do they claim to be.  harun   Jul-01-10 09:47 PM   #193 
     - And none of those are here. At least not that I've seen. nt  johnaries   Jul-02-10 02:03 AM   #360 
        - If they aren't then maybe the rules of the site should reflect that distinction?  harun   Jul-02-10 08:42 AM   #455 
  - Respectfully, you have mischaracterized some of the problems you see  KonaKane   Jul-01-10 08:12 PM   #65 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-01-10 08:35 PM   #98 
  - I am acknowledging the way our system works (otherwise known as reality)  KonaKane   Jul-01-10 08:50 PM   #116 
     - He COULD stop the discharges with a stroke of a pen. And this has been pointed out over and over.  Zhade   Jul-02-10 06:26 PM   #717 
        - Please explain how a president can single handedly reverse an act of Congress  KonaKane   Jul-02-10 11:31 PM   #776 
  - You say he doesnt have the power to dump DADT. That says a lot. GWBush seemed to have the power to  rhett o rick   Jul-01-10 11:19 PM   #258 
  - Respectfully, you are wrong in this case. DADT is a congressional act  KonaKane   Jul-04-10 02:08 PM   #841 
  - I appreciate respectful discussion. I fully understand the limitations facing the Pres  rhett o rick   Jul-02-10 05:03 PM   #691 
  - Some nice thinking there. Of course  Jakes Progress   Jul-01-10 08:18 PM   #71 
  - Really the patronizing air of this post is in a class by itself.  grantcart   Jul-01-10 08:18 PM   #73 
  - Patronizing is a good word.  HughMoran   Jul-01-10 08:29 PM   #88 
  - I don't think the point was  POAS   Jul-01-10 08:52 PM   #117 
  - K&R only you forgot to mention an HCR bill that forces Americans to purchase a product from a priva  amborin   Jul-01-10 08:23 PM   #79 
  - Why won't he dump DADT?  tranche   Jul-01-10 08:26 PM   #81 
  - The only thing that no one should be called is discharged  Bluenorthwest   Jul-01-10 08:46 PM   #108 
     - What? People are discharged from the services every day.  KonaKane   Jul-01-10 09:09 PM   #146 
        - Obviously you understood exactly what I meant  Bluenorthwest   Jul-02-10 08:42 AM   #454 
           - Yes, I caught your attempt to redefine a term for your own ends.  KonaKane   Jul-02-10 03:51 PM   #644 
  - This entire OP is confusing  ProSense   Jul-01-10 08:35 PM   #96 
  - Does the OP mention "liberals"? The OP calls question to those that lock-step  rhett o rick   Jul-01-10 11:30 PM   #266 
     - You seem to be calling for anyone who always supports Obama to be thrown off DU  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-02-10 04:29 AM   #380 
     - Seems to be the case  HughMoran   Jul-02-10 07:11 AM   #409 
     - Nobody here supports GWB policies  HughMoran   Jul-02-10 07:10 AM   #408 
        - So you think the Pres is wrong to continue the Patriot Act, the MCA,  rhett o rick   Jul-02-10 07:41 AM   #417 
           - Yes  HughMoran   Jul-02-10 08:20 AM   #438 
           - I was a Republican until Richard Nixon. Been a Democrat since.  rhett o rick   Jul-02-10 08:47 AM   #459 
           - Lots of people disagree with some of his stands but still  geek tragedy   Jul-02-10 08:49 AM   #461 
              - Enablers of bad policy would be my take.  Zhade   Jul-02-10 06:54 PM   #725 
                 - How does one 'fight' against policies?  geek tragedy   Jul-02-10 07:09 PM   #728 
  - Just Because Something Hasn't Happened YET Doesn't Mean It Never Will  Beetwasher   Jul-01-10 08:44 PM   #105 
  - When GW Bush waged war, the liberals were in the streets protesting. Why arent we still protesting  rhett o rick   Jul-02-10 09:01 AM   #466 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-02-10 10:53 AM   #521 
        - You're far more trusting of public officials who don't even know you exist than I am.  Zhade   Jul-02-10 06:55 PM   #726 
  - How do we know you are who you say you are? For all we know, you  Tarheel_Dem   Jul-01-10 08:46 PM   #107 
  - Why hasn't Skinner posted? Has he been tombstoned?  leftstreet   Jul-01-10 08:47 PM   #110 
  - Here's my impression of Skinner reading this thread...  Boojatta   Jul-01-10 09:11 PM   #153 
  - Holiday weekend.  havocmom   Jul-01-10 09:41 PM   #188 
  - Apparently you haven't figured it out yet that us lefty's are just along for the ride here.  L0oniX   Jul-01-10 08:47 PM   #112 
  - don't you mean 'miscreants'?  Moochy   Jul-01-10 08:52 PM   #118 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-01-10 08:49 PM   #115 
  - "UnReKKK?"  Ignis   Jul-01-10 08:55 PM   #123 
  - You're new here, aren't you. n/t  UTUSN   Jul-01-10 08:57 PM   #129 
  - No answer? Just snark? n/t  Catherina   Jul-01-10 08:59 PM   #133 
  - Ah, it's a GROUP deal. Fine. Uh, I QUOTED your pal and THAT is snark?!1  UTUSN   Jul-01-10 09:05 PM   #136 
     - No you didn't. That poster asked you why you used KKK. Your answer was to ridicule and then snark.  Catherina   Jul-01-10 09:20 PM   #168 
        - *I'm* YOUR fellow poster here, but THAT don't seem to be the same thing.  UTUSN   Jul-01-10 09:25 PM   #177 
           - That post was deleted. Can you answer without violating a rule?  tekisui   Jul-02-10 07:18 AM   #413 
  - Yeah, I've only been here 7 years. Mea fucking culpa.  Ignis   Jul-01-10 09:04 PM   #135 
     - Well, I don't know what you're accusing me of - being KKK?!1 That's what I responded to. n/t  UTUSN   Jul-01-10 09:07 PM   #141 
     - I suggest you consult a dictionary re: "asking" vs. "accusing"  Ignis   Jul-01-10 09:09 PM   #147 
        - Oh, "happy hunting" is NOT an accusation/personal attack?!1 n/t  UTUSN   Jul-01-10 09:11 PM   #152 
           - ony if you are a deer and its hunting season  Moochy   Jul-01-10 09:12 PM   #154 
           - I guess your Profile slogan says it ALL!1 n/t  UTUSN   Jul-01-10 09:15 PM   #158 
              - the owner class is almost as lovable as chuckles  Moochy   Jul-01-10 09:19 PM   #166 
           - Hmm, I didn't really mean it that way.  Ignis   Jul-02-10 11:50 AM   #541 
     - Look, let's save EVERYBODY (you, me, your groupie, the Mods, Admin, the public) a lot of time and  UTUSN   Jul-01-10 09:10 PM   #149 
        - Sure, edit the "KKK" out of your "Unrec."  Ignis   Jul-01-10 09:16 PM   #159 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-01-10 09:18 PM   #165 
           - I see.  donco6   Jul-01-10 09:20 PM   #170 
           - That would not have had the desired effect: Locked Thread  Moochy   Jul-01-10 09:22 PM   #174 
              - What I can't figure out . . .  donco6   Jul-01-10 09:33 PM   #186 
                 - a hundred and twenty-two thousand miles of it to be exact  Moochy   Jul-01-10 09:46 PM   #192 
                 - oh, so you noticed that too?  ima_sinnic   Jul-01-10 09:54 PM   #198 
                 - That's been happening a lot lately. n/t  QC   Jul-01-10 09:59 PM   #202 
                 - You guys need to scale it back a bit  Hutzpa   Jul-01-10 11:24 PM   #263 
                    - gee, hi -- speak of the devil and all ...  ima_sinnic   Jul-02-10 04:03 AM   #377 
                    - Do you feel the same way about Helen Thomas?  Ignis   Jul-02-10 01:22 PM   #582 
           - Oh. So it's your way of calling the OP a racist. Very said. Another tactic  Catherina   Jul-01-10 09:27 PM   #180 
              - I couldn't get much out of his "explanation," but I think that's what it means  ima_sinnic   Jul-01-10 10:07 PM   #207 
        - self-delete  ima_sinnic   Jul-01-10 09:23 PM   #175 
           - You are breaking rules (again) by implying a motive that isn't there AND your lack of  UTUSN   Jul-01-10 09:27 PM   #179 
              - I don't know what you're talking about  ima_sinnic   Jul-01-10 09:46 PM   #191 
              - oh, and btw, what's with the "again"?  ima_sinnic   Jul-01-10 09:57 PM   #200 
              - You have had at least three posts deleted in this thread.  tekisui   Jul-02-10 07:20 AM   #415 
  - The poster has a long history of using that particular perjorative...  A HERETIC I AM   Jul-02-10 08:59 AM   #465 
     - Well, at least Beck is a RW stooge.  Ignis   Jul-02-10 11:53 AM   #544 
  - Yeah, we all read the post.  donco6   Jul-01-10 09:10 PM   #151 
     - What part of my QUOTES of the O.P. did you miss?!1 (Let's not continue, O.K.?!1) n/t  UTUSN   Jul-01-10 09:14 PM   #155 
        - Enlighten me.  donco6   Jul-01-10 09:18 PM   #164 
           - It's an impossible/futile undertaking, which I don't choose to continue. Nighty night!1 n/t  UTUSN   Jul-01-10 09:21 PM   #171 
  - K&R. CRUSH THE DLC!  Odin2005   Jul-01-10 08:52 PM   #119 
  - Kick and Rec  Kalun D   Jul-01-10 08:55 PM   #122 
  - crasez l'Infme!  QC   Jul-01-10 09:05 PM   #137 
  - Ah, YES. Thank you for trying to open a civil discussion with  USArmyParatrooper   Jul-01-10 09:05 PM   #138 
  - Well..  Bobbie Jo   Jul-01-10 09:20 PM   #169 
  - So if Obama hasn't fallen off of a pedestal for me, I'm a Republican?  moriah   Jul-01-10 09:17 PM   #160 
  - I am not sure what the OP said that could have provoked your response.  rhett o rick   Jul-02-10 06:43 AM   #401 
  - You said it was either "progressive" Democrats, or "conservative" Democrats....  moriah   Jul-02-10 08:15 AM   #428 
  - Moriah speaks for me, every word  Hekate   Jul-02-10 10:38 PM   #768 
  - AMEN!!!  uponit7771   Jul-04-10 01:42 PM   #838 
  - What if there are Democrats that don't support "progressive ideals?"  ozone_man   Jul-01-10 09:18 PM   #161 
  - K&R....n/t  unkachuck   Jul-01-10 09:18 PM   #163 
  - Maybe the DU is open to those who don't think in lockstep...  BrentWil   Jul-01-10 09:20 PM   #167 
  - .  HughMoran   Jul-01-10 09:21 PM   #172 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-01-10 09:29 PM   #181 
  - Yep, 85% of Dems are "consera-Dems, blue dog DINOs, and/or the DLC sympathizers"  USArmyParatrooper   Jul-01-10 10:26 PM   #213 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-01-10 09:30 PM   #183 
  - While I would disagree with most of the details, I agree with your main point.  Skinner   Jul-01-10 09:43 PM   #189 
  - Your last 2 sentences say it all.  Turborama   Jul-01-10 10:16 PM   #210 
  - Wait a minute Skinner  Hutzpa   Jul-01-10 10:22 PM   #212 
  - My response was narrowly focused on the OP's observation that there are two broad factions on DU.  Skinner   Jul-01-10 10:32 PM   #217 
  - Thank you. n/t  Hutzpa   Jul-01-10 10:36 PM   #221 
  - Thanks for your response. Would you please clarify the following?  Catherina   Jul-01-10 10:46 PM   #230 
  - Let me see if I can help Skinner  Hutzpa   Jul-01-10 11:04 PM   #240 
  - Our overall problem is with corporate fascism . . .that's what the GOP has represented . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 02:13 PM   #606 
  - Everyone here is progressive. Everyone here is broadly supportive of progressive policies and ideals  Skinner   Jul-01-10 11:06 PM   #244 
  - What I'm trying to understand is what specific shared goals  Catherina   Jul-01-10 11:41 PM   #277 
  - This site has very few litmus tests.  Skinner   Jul-02-10 06:15 AM   #391 
     - ... and when elected "Democrats" don't support progressive change . .. ????  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 02:15 PM   #608 
     - Litmus tests are not goals, that's not what I was asking  Catherina   Jul-02-10 05:19 PM   #701 
  - Everyone here is progressive? Are you kidding me?  Zhade   Jul-02-10 12:06 AM   #304 
  - I am not kidding you.  Skinner   Jul-02-10 06:32 AM   #398 
     - Thank you for that clarification Skinner. For me, the most infuriating thing is being told  berni_mccoy   Jul-02-10 07:00 AM   #406 
     - Thank you! (nt)  redqueen   Jul-02-10 08:18 AM   # 
     - Thank you again. nt  DevonRex   Jul-02-10 09:29 AM   #478 
     - Bingo, Skinner! We have a winner!! n/t  Fire1   Jul-02-10 10:16 AM   #502 
     - Ahem...  ConservativeDemocrat   Jul-02-10 07:55 PM   #746 
     - I think you meant to reply to me, but somehow tagged Skinner's post.  Zhade   Jul-02-10 08:15 PM   #752 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-03-10 11:53 AM   #795 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-03-10 08:10 PM   #825 
     - One can easily proclaim themselves a progressive and or liberal here, and I've seen  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jul-03-10 01:01 PM   #799 
     - AMEN!!  uponit7771   Jul-04-10 01:45 PM   #839 
  - I beg to differ with that assessment  depakid   Jul-02-10 12:26 AM   #329 
  - Here is where it gets complicated  grantcart   Jul-02-10 01:43 AM   #350 
  - So people who criticize the Dems for going right should be banned...  Zhade   Jul-02-10 01:56 AM   #356 
  - Lets be very clear here  grantcart   Jul-02-10 02:10 AM   #363 
  - This is what I've basically been saying for a while  LatteLibertine   Jul-02-10 01:49 PM   #595 
  - Good question  MissDeeds   Jul-02-10 07:17 AM   #412 
  - I think you've just complicated this even more . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 02:48 PM   #621 
  - Once again you insult posters with that framing.  spoony   Jul-02-10 03:43 AM   #375 
  - +1  Senator   Jul-02-10 05:38 AM   #383 
  - My intent was not to insult anyone.  Skinner   Jul-02-10 06:07 AM   #388 
  - Just some advice. Stop characterizing and get rid of it.  YOY   Jul-02-10 06:23 AM   #393 
  - Likening DUers 'Joe McCarthy' isn't characterizing as well?  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-02-10 06:31 AM   #397 
  - No...when I say "get rid of it" I mean "get rid of it."  YOY   Jul-02-10 07:54 AM   #423 
     - Then it does seem to me it's the characterization you don't like  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-02-10 08:14 AM   #427 
        - No. I dislike it because I am not really a "communist". Not by the faintest definition.  YOY   Jul-02-10 08:20 AM   #437 
           - Honest question:  Skinner   Jul-02-10 08:28 AM   #444 
              - So who has been TSed from that camp?  YOY   Jul-02-10 08:35 AM   #449 
              - As you know, in general we prefer not to discuss why specific people get banned.  Skinner   Jul-02-10 09:19 AM   #474 
              - Lerkfish a disruptor? That's about the silliest thing I've ever heard.  Zhade   Jul-02-10 05:43 PM   #710 
                 - and a grandaddy gamer. For flips sake the man was in Fallout 2!  YOY   Jul-02-10 10:40 PM   #769 
                 - I did not know that.  Ignis   Jul-03-10 06:59 PM   #820 
                    - He was in an easter egg called "The Unwashed Villagers:" random wilderness encounter.  YOY   Jul-03-10 09:49 PM   #828 
                 - huh? Lerkfish was banned? what the hell? and when did this happen?  TK421   Jul-02-10 11:14 PM   #773 
              - WeDidIt was Tsed?  d_b   Jul-02-10 04:20 PM   #669 
                 - Most excellent  conscious evolution   Jul-02-10 05:10 PM   #694 
                    - It only took 2+ years of constant stalking, bullying, and personal attacks. n/  QC   Jul-02-10 05:19 PM   #702 
                       - And those were the good days.  Ignis   Jul-03-10 07:00 PM   #821 
              - I notice that your question went unanswered.  DevonRex   Jul-02-10 09:43 AM   #482 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-02-10 10:04 AM   #495 
                 - Oh the irony. nt  DevonRex   Jul-02-10 10:20 AM   #504 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-02-10 10:22 AM   #506 
                 - Thank you.  DevonRex   Jul-02-10 01:48 PM   #593 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-02-10 12:45 PM   #569 
              - In the same way that some Christians feel targeted and persecuted when other religions  stranger81   Jul-02-10 01:46 PM   #591 
  - I think the "pile-ons" go both ways.  Skinner   Jul-02-10 06:49 AM   #404 
     - I'm afraid that's not true. So many folks here have noticed it that it's just not.  YOY   Jul-02-10 07:50 AM   #420 
        - The new bit of the rules is that a deleted post will stop people posting again in a thread  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-02-10 08:08 AM   #424 
        - Because you cannot "force" civility.  YOY   Jul-02-10 08:13 AM   #426 
           - So what's your counter-proposal? A free-for-all?  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-02-10 08:18 AM   #434 
              - I'm sure if the gagging weren't selective it would all work out.  YOY   Jul-02-10 08:23 AM   #442 
        - Pssst: Here's a secret.  Skinner   Jul-02-10 08:18 AM   #433 
        - and you've just decided to enforce them now?  YOY   Jul-02-10 08:23 AM   #441 
        - No, we've been enforcing them for years.  Skinner   Jul-02-10 08:31 AM   #445 
        - Pssst: The Obama rule is new.  Senator   Jul-02-10 08:26 PM   #755 
           - So you never read the rules before  HughMoran   Jul-03-10 01:05 PM   #800 
              - I think your post may be misplaced  Senator   Jul-03-10 01:57 PM   #802 
                 - The language was there  HughMoran   Jul-03-10 02:00 PM   #803 
                    - There was no language there  Senator   Jul-04-10 12:41 AM   #829 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-02-10 10:22 AM   #505 
           - You already are.  YOY   Jul-02-10 10:24 AM   #508 
           - ^^^ GREAT example of how ONE side gets a pass on personal attacks.  Ignis   Jul-02-10 11:44 AM   #534 
              - And from a DUer who actually KNOWS me.  YOY   Jul-02-10 11:46 AM   #536 
              - If you're an authoritarian, I'm a Chinese jet pilot.  Ignis   Jul-02-10 11:47 AM   #538 
              - No. It's a great example of a post that wasn't alerted.  Skinner   Jul-02-10 11:56 AM   #546 
                 - No problem. It's distressing that no one else thought to alert on it.  Ignis   Jul-02-10 12:11 PM   #554 
                 - I've alerted on these posts, and since then the mods deleted posts around it  Violet_Crumble   Jul-02-10 05:05 PM   #693 
                 - Please lay off the mods. Sometimes it takes a while.  Skinner   Jul-02-10 05:25 PM   #706 
                 - It didn't take a while for other posts in the thread to be deleted..  Violet_Crumble   Jul-02-10 05:36 PM   #708 
                    - +1. The disparity in the speed of deletion leads to the impression of favoritism.  Ignis   Jul-02-10 10:26 PM   #767 
                 - Hey Violet Crumble! love your new sig pic!  TK421   Jul-02-10 11:08 PM   #771 
                    - Thanks! I brought it back out of retirement...  Violet_Crumble   Jul-03-10 06:40 AM   #787 
                 - Come to think of it...  Ignis   Jul-02-10 08:12 PM   #750 
  - This post of yours itself might be a helpful thread start.  Senator   Jul-02-10 08:21 AM   #439 
  - One more chiming in on your framing being insulting.  noamnety   Jul-02-10 10:48 AM   #515 
  - great point about BOTH sides  Moochy   Jul-02-10 10:52 AM   #519 
  - Fair enough. What do you suggest?  Skinner   Jul-02-10 12:00 PM   #548 
  - something that is value neutral.  noamnety   Jul-02-10 01:43 PM   #590 
  - often what happens is we pick the label "we" want, and give the imagined others the opposite of that  nashville_brook   Jul-02-10 06:43 PM   #720 
     - Beautifully said.  DirkGently   Jul-02-10 06:49 PM   #722 
     - Nicely stated.  Ignis   Jul-03-10 07:02 PM   #822 
  - This reply should be its own OP.  stranger81   Jul-02-10 01:58 PM   #599 
  - Try this thought experiment:  Ignis   Jul-02-10 11:38 AM   #532 
  - Here on DU I've heard both used as a perjorative.  Skinner   Jul-02-10 12:03 PM   #549 
  - OK. You win.  Ignis   Jul-02-10 12:14 PM   #558 
     - and you've got a pretty sweet hat.  YOY   Jul-02-10 12:29 PM   #563 
        - OT: I always take out-of-town visitors to a local SF hat store.  Ignis   Jul-02-10 12:33 PM   #566 
  - That one's kind of bothered me for awhile  Posteritatis   Jul-02-10 11:33 PM   #777 
     - Very good points  Ignis   Jul-03-10 03:20 PM   #807 
  - I've been thinking more and more that what is going on  suffragette   Jul-02-10 02:28 PM   #612 
  - ... it is insulting, Skinner . . . because it pretty much frames the left here as  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 03:03 PM   #626 
  - Idealists vs pragmatists. or Truth-seekers vs lie-accepters?  chimpymustgo   Jul-02-10 07:35 PM   #735 
  - +1 -- What's the Difference Between a Liberal and a Progressive?  nashville_brook   Jul-02-10 11:02 AM   #526 
  - Indeed. It's very arrogant and self-serving.  Zhade   Jul-02-10 08:58 PM   #760 
  - No, they most certainly aren't -- you must be reading another board  LostinVA   Jul-02-10 06:20 AM   #392 
  - Since I am reading this board...  Skinner   Jul-02-10 06:35 AM   #400 
  - Um...no.  YOY   Jul-02-10 06:28 AM   #395 
  - According to some  HughMoran   Jul-02-10 07:15 AM   #410 
  - I want an end to endless imprisonment with zero judicial recourse  MannyGoldstein   Jul-02-10 07:15 AM   #411 
  - +a gazillion with thanks. nt  DevonRex   Jul-02-10 09:26 AM   #477 
  - Constructive criticism  OnyxCollie   Jul-02-10 10:08 AM   #498 
  - First of all, thanks for the Nazi reference. I felt like something was missing from this discussion.  Skinner   Jul-02-10 10:23 AM   #507 
     - Uh... you really don't see the contradiction in these two statements?  Zhade   Jul-02-10 06:42 PM   #718 
     - Namecalling isn't substantive criticism.  geek tragedy   Jul-02-10 07:13 PM   #729 
        - Sure, sure, I get that much, thanks.  Zhade   Jul-03-10 08:21 PM   #826 
     - One recent example I do not understand is the Jon Stewart thread.  Jamastiene   Jul-03-10 06:18 PM   #819 
  - I don't understand that statement given that progressives  EFerrari   Jul-02-10 02:01 PM   #602 
  - being called "firebagger" was especially good  spiritual_gunfighter   Jul-02-10 03:10 PM   #629 
  - Liberals/progressives here are "idealistic" -- and DLC here are "pragmatic" . . .???  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 02:02 PM   #603 
  - See, the thing is, it's about 6 years since someone said they were 'DLC' on DU  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-02-10 02:14 PM   #607 
     - That dog don't hunt  Individualist   Jul-02-10 02:35 PM   #614 
     - "Idealists said it should be single payer" - No, those of us who read the Party Platform said that.  Ignis   Jul-02-10 02:38 PM   #616 
     - Agree -- and maybe we need to have politicians sign "PLEDGES" in future???  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 03:16 PM   #632 
     - At this point, I'd be happy with parliamentary block-building.  Ignis   Jul-02-10 09:44 PM   #763 
        - According to the two parties it is -- !!  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 10:21 PM   #765 
     - "many private health insurance options and a public plan" is not 'single payer'  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-02-10 03:48 PM   #643 
        - I'm not willing to parse the issue that finely.  Ignis   Jul-02-10 04:53 PM   #687 
        - 76%+ of the country supported single payer - MEDICARE FOR ALL --  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 07:50 PM   #744 
     - Not really ... and Hillary Clinton is part of DLC leadership . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 03:10 PM   #628 
     - People were still here defending the DLC in the run up to 2006.  EFerrari   Jul-02-10 03:55 PM   #650 
     - They . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 10:23 PM   #766 
     - Um, noooooo. There's one running around in active threads RIGHT NOW.  Zhade   Jul-03-10 08:25 PM   #827 
  - Actually , we do NOT all want to move the country in the same direction. Many of us do NOT support  saracat   Jul-02-10 02:28 PM   #611 
     - +1000% . . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 03:17 PM   #633 
     - ^ True ^ n/t  Mimosa   Jul-03-10 06:44 AM   #789 
     - +10000!  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jul-04-10 12:18 PM   #834 
  - I think those are goals shared by almost everybody here  Hippo_Tron   Jul-02-10 11:14 PM   #772 
  - "The moderators could have easily locked this thread -- and probably should have "  HughMoran   Jul-01-10 11:10 PM   #249 
  - Why wont it "end well"?  rhett o rick   Jul-02-10 08:56 AM   #463 
     - Read down  HughMoran   Jul-02-10 11:25 AM   #531 
  - You made the right choice IMHO  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-02-10 12:54 AM   #340 
  - You might be right  HughMoran   Jul-02-10 06:59 AM   #405 
  - Agree--  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 03:18 PM   #634 
  - then do a "kill file" forum and be done with it...  NuttyFluffers   Jul-02-10 03:12 AM   #372 
  - I support this with one condition which you probably take as a given: to exclude obscenity  patrice   Jul-02-10 05:33 PM   #707 
  - Glad to see you saw it as divisive, unfair, and worthy of a lock.  redqueen   Jul-02-10 08:15 AM   #430 
  - Mixed messages are difficult to process.  Spheric   Jul-02-10 01:21 PM   #581 
     - The "new" vision isn't that complicated. And yes, we are committed to it.  Skinner   Jul-02-10 01:56 PM   #598 
        - Thank you for attempting to clarify.  Spheric   Jul-02-10 03:13 PM   #631 
        - You left out the reason he decided to keep it open  Turborama   Jul-02-10 11:19 PM   #774 
        - Skinner -- you can't go wrong supporting free speech . . . it's the reverse that  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 03:21 PM   #635 
           - Free speech applied to this discussion is really a red herring.  BzaDem   Jul-02-10 04:35 PM   #676 
              - Of course not. So why are so many conservative-leaning Dems allowed to push their policies here?  Zhade   Jul-02-10 06:51 PM   #723 
              - Exactly . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 07:47 PM   #742 
              - Because it seems now that being a "pragmatic" Democrat rules first and foremost  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jul-04-10 12:25 PM   #835 
              - "We fully intend to make the word "conservative" absolutely radioactive" . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 07:37 PM   #736 
  - Democrats "being bought by corporate" isn't a new thing  Turborama   Jul-01-10 10:40 PM   #228 
     - The OP made this statement  Hutzpa   Jul-01-10 10:48 PM   #233 
        - You interpreted what the OP said this way  Turborama   Jul-01-10 11:03 PM   #238 
           - What does this mean exactly  Hutzpa   Jul-01-10 11:13 PM   #252 
              - I'll ask again, what's that got to do with DU's rules?  Turborama   Jul-01-10 11:56 PM   #293 
                 - has a lot to do with DU rules  Hutzpa   Jul-02-10 12:04 AM   #301 
                    - Instead of giving a link, please quote the actual rules you are referring to.  Turborama   Jul-02-10 12:09 AM   #307 
                       - Nope,  Hutzpa   Jul-02-10 12:15 AM   #319 
                          - I am, but are you capable of reading and understanding the rules?  Turborama   Jul-02-10 12:48 AM   #337 
                          - We are paying guests . . .btw . .  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 03:25 PM   #636 
                             - You are NOT a paying guest  Hutzpa   Jul-02-10 03:56 PM   #651 
                                - Most members are "paying guests" ....  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 07:30 PM   #734 
  - Skinner, do you not recognize the part that those who are here to "message" play?  Go2Peace   Jul-01-10 10:31 PM   #216 
  - I think you need to consider the possibility...  Skinner   Jul-01-10 10:44 PM   #229 
     - I respect your thoughts,  Go2Peace   Jul-01-10 11:07 PM   #247 
        - Fair enough. I would add that the "very small minority" of which you speak...  Skinner   Jul-01-10 11:10 PM   #248 
           - lol  SwampG8r   Jul-02-10 12:31 AM   #331 
  - I accept that. Maybe it has to do with having right wing conservative parents. I am surprised when  Jennicut   Jul-01-10 10:37 PM   #222 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-01-10 11:16 PM   #254 
  - +1. The gist of this thread seems to be that the president hasn't solved  Tarheel_Dem   Jul-01-10 11:47 PM   #283 
  - No- that is just your very skewed interpretation of the OP  Tailormyst   Jul-02-10 11:55 AM   #545 
  - IMO, the OP is arguing for free speech rather than denial of reality here . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 03:29 PM   #637 
     - Have your "speech rights" been abridged on a privately held message board?  Tarheel_Dem   Jul-02-10 04:05 PM   #657 
        - You've called for LOCKING THIS THREAD . . .!!  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 05:22 PM   #703 
  - Us? US? If some disagree, they are trolls and it is us v anyone who disagrees?  havocmom   Jul-01-10 11:55 PM   #292 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-02-10 12:46 AM   #334 
        - Yes, I did. And I read all the misrepresentations of what the OP said  havocmom   Jul-02-10 01:05 AM   #345 
  - But you CAN change that fact. It's YOUR website. Allow me to quote your About section:  Zhade   Jul-01-10 11:58 PM   #295 
  - How many OPs have you seen lately that are "conservative, anti-union, anti-choice, pro-corporate"  Turborama   Jul-02-10 03:16 AM   #373 
  - quite a few, actually.  spoony   Jul-02-10 03:38 AM   #374 
  - Have you alerted?  Turborama   Jul-02-10 04:11 AM   #378 
     - yes  spoony   Jul-02-10 04:30 AM   #381 
  - I do. They remain.  Zhade   Jul-02-10 07:42 PM   #738 
  - What's the date on that? A WOW declaration of what DU stands for -- !!  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 03:36 PM   #639 
  - EVERYONE here should read this ... interesting record of what DU stands for!!  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 05:41 PM   #709 
  - Thanks for responding.  rhett o rick   Jul-02-10 08:57 AM   #464 
  - Could you please address my question about the About section?  Zhade   Jul-02-10 08:51 PM   #758 
  - Your OP exhibits the core problem here at DU.  Kind of Blue   Jul-01-10 09:49 PM   #195 
  - This post should be enough to get the poster BANNED for calling other democrats republicans because  ncteechur   Jul-01-10 09:52 PM   #196 
  - It was just said above by admin that it's every (wo)man for himself  HughMoran   Jul-01-10 09:58 PM   #201 
  - "they may not be progressive enough. "  ProSense   Jul-01-10 10:01 PM   #203 
  - 65 recs and ban the poster.  donco6   Jul-01-10 10:05 PM   #206 
  - What does that even mean?  Bobbie Jo   Jul-01-10 10:26 PM   #214 
  - I think it means that if you can  POAS   Jul-01-10 10:35 PM   #218 
  - That's two threads now that you've observed the number of recs.  Tarheel_Dem   Jul-02-10 12:17 AM   #321 
     - In their world it does. It makes them feel important. Sad, really.  Political Tiger   Jul-02-10 01:00 AM   #342 
     - No, not really.  donco6   Jul-02-10 08:19 AM   #435 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-02-10 10:28 AM   #510 
        - Good grief. The conspiracies never stop coming from you guys.  DevonRex   Jul-02-10 01:00 PM   #573 
     - It does when someone is calling for someone else's head.  donco6   Jul-02-10 08:15 AM   #429 
  - Damn right!  Political Tiger   Jul-01-10 11:05 PM   #242 
  - You summed it up perfectly. n/t  firedupdem   Jul-02-10 12:07 AM   #305 
  - Not all Democrats are progressives and not all progressives are Democrats  Raineyb   Jul-02-10 02:03 AM   #359 
     - Allegedly, no connection between DU and Democratic Party ....???  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 03:44 PM   #642 
     - Indeed. Foolish me for believing it. n/t  Raineyb   Jul-02-10 04:29 PM   #674 
        - Except DU raises money for the Democratic Party .. . . . eh . . ????  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 05:15 PM   #698 
     - THANK YOU.  Zhade   Jul-02-10 07:47 PM   #741 
     - I had a post deleted a couple of days ago because gasp! I  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jul-04-10 12:32 PM   #836 
  - I couldn't agree more.  Bobbie Jo   Jul-01-10 11:28 PM   #265 
  - You fail at reading comprehension  Tailormyst   Jul-02-10 11:56 AM   #547 
  - Pitchforks $5! Torches $10 for 3!  Ignis   Jul-03-10 07:16 PM   #823 
  - So if I'm not with you, I'm against you?  piedmont   Jul-01-10 09:53 PM   #197 
  - DU stopped being progressive a long time ago  Yuugal   Jul-01-10 10:18 PM   #211 
     - " in favor of spam threads straight off of Rahm's printer"  ProSense   Jul-01-10 10:28 PM   #215 
     - You misunderstand me  Yuugal   Jul-01-10 10:35 PM   #219 
     - "I'm talking about just spamming the same news feed all day. "  ProSense   Jul-01-10 10:50 PM   #235 
        - I guess you still don't understand  Yuugal   Jul-01-10 10:57 PM   #236 
        - Don't agree  ProSense   Jul-01-10 11:04 PM   #241 
           - Look at your own threads from GDP  Yuugal   Jul-01-10 11:18 PM   #257 
              - I see the problem  ProSense   Jul-01-10 11:26 PM   #264 
              - ...and there you have it.  Bobbie Jo   Jul-01-10 11:31 PM   #269 
              - Vital posts with 2 replies  Yuugal   Jul-01-10 11:41 PM   #278 
                 - Both of you are on the same path  Hutzpa   Jul-01-10 11:48 PM   #285 
                 - You seem hung up on  ProSense   Jul-01-10 11:49 PM   #287 
                    - And others get posted 40 times  Yuugal   Jul-02-10 12:01 AM   #298 
                       - Psssst.  Bobbie Jo   Jul-02-10 12:22 AM   #324 
                          - Try paying attention before getting cute  Yuugal   Jul-02-10 12:29 AM   #330 
                             - Actually, I can get cute *while* paying attention.  Bobbie Jo   Jul-02-10 12:48 AM   #335 
                             - This is a strawman. Why is it  ProSense   Jul-02-10 12:48 AM   #336 
              - quite often copycat threads  conscious evolution   Jul-02-10 05:50 PM   #712 
        - You make a good point.  Go2Peace   Jul-01-10 11:30 PM   #267 
           - There is absolutely no dynamic  ProSense   Jul-01-10 11:40 PM   #276 
              - By how many different people?  Go2Peace   Jul-02-10 12:00 AM   #296 
              - Prosense you've posted 3 topics on the same thing in 2 days  Mimosa   Jul-03-10 06:42 AM   #788 
     - I don't think anyone is opposed to positive articles  Go2Peace   Jul-01-10 11:17 PM   #255 
        - Bless you  Yuugal   Jul-01-10 11:21 PM   #261 
        - "as long as they are not heavily spun" What does that mean?  ProSense   Jul-01-10 11:30 PM   #268 
           - Well, sure it can be spin too, so that justifies more spin?  Go2Peace   Jul-01-10 11:39 PM   #275 
           - The problem is that  ProSense   Jul-01-10 11:42 PM   #280 
              - no, but I also do not participate in it  Go2Peace   Jul-01-10 11:51 PM   #288 
              - Ah, but then -- neither are you. Yet you act as such.  Zhade   Jul-02-10 12:21 AM   #322 
                 - I do no such thing  ProSense   Jul-02-10 12:23 AM   #325 
           - "as long as they are not heavily spun"  Go2Peace   Jul-01-10 11:48 PM   #286 
              - No it's not straightfoward.  ProSense   Jul-01-10 11:52 PM   #289 
                 - "Opinions vary as to what is or isn't spin."  Go2Peace   Jul-02-10 12:06 AM   #303 
     - Actually, the majority are progressive, but a minority is very forceful and prolific  Go2Peace   Jul-01-10 10:39 PM   #227 
        - I agree  Yuugal   Jul-01-10 10:49 PM   #234 
           - If you agree, that it's a minority, why is everyone complaining so frequently?  ProSense   Jul-02-10 08:31 AM   #446 
              - When free speech is curtailed here because of a squeaky minority wheel . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 03:51 PM   #646 
  - K&R  Bryn   Jul-01-10 10:13 PM   #209 
  - "As the Republican Party dies off"  Frank Booth   Jul-01-10 10:36 PM   #220 
  - Ohhhhhh, if only.  KonaKane   Jul-01-10 11:04 PM   #239 
  - 'Bout time somebody pointed out that the entire post was built on a false assumption  HughMoran   Jul-01-10 11:35 PM   #273 
  - The GOP is now a minority running our House and Senate . . .!!!  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 03:58 PM   #652 
  - Proud to recommend  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-01-10 10:38 PM   #224 
  - Big D Democratic principles ...  GeorgeGist   Jul-01-10 10:38 PM   #225 
  - The problem for liberals is the same  quaker bill   Jul-01-10 10:39 PM   #226 
  - 17 Years of compromise and "victory"... and here we are  MannyGoldstein   Jul-01-10 10:46 PM   #231 
  - I have a conservative in law who says liberals cannot hold and manage power.  KonaKane   Jul-01-10 11:06 PM   #243 
  - Liberals owned the US 1933-1969. 36 years!  MannyGoldstein   Jul-02-10 12:03 AM   #300 
     - "Nixon was far, far to the left of Obama."  ProSense   Jul-02-10 12:09 AM   #306 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-02-10 12:14 AM   #316 
     - And then came the large computers used by MSM ... and the voting computers ...  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 03:59 PM   #653 
     - I think he was referring to recent liberal trends, as in AC (After Clinton)  KonaKane   Jul-02-10 06:47 PM   #721 
  - Compromise didn't destroy the middle class  ProSense   Jul-01-10 11:06 PM   #245 
  - Fascinating that you don't see the connection between those two sentences.  spoony   Jul-01-10 11:11 PM   #251 
  - "The compromises are almost always in favour of the corporations."  ProSense   Jul-01-10 11:19 PM   #259 
  - Right . . . . corporate government ... corporate government officials . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 04:03 PM   #655 
  - You're actually correct.  MannyGoldstein   Jul-02-10 12:10 AM   #308 
  - With Democrats who claim to be the party of the people capitulating at every turn.  Raineyb   Jul-02-10 02:15 AM   #365 
     - Another example was Kerry announcing the other day Dems were ready to compromise more...  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 04:04 PM   #656 
  - Where do you get 17?  quaker bill   Jul-02-10 06:12 AM   #390 
  - Agree . . . the compromise began with our schizophrenic Constitution . . .!!  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 04:02 PM   #654 
  - + 1  Scurrilous   Jul-01-10 10:47 PM   #232 
  - Where has that gotten us?  Hutzpa   Jul-01-10 11:42 PM   #279 
  - It has gotten us  quaker bill   Jul-02-10 06:35 AM   #399 
     - Could you explain which compromises you're talking about here . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 04:09 PM   #659 
        - It was the lack of compromise  quaker bill   Jul-02-10 06:00 PM   #715 
           - Obviously, the 50 State/Howard Dean plan is what we need . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 07:25 PM   #733 
  - You know, just once I'd like to see them compromise with US.  Zhade   Jul-02-10 12:26 AM   # 
  - I do negotiation for a living  quaker bill   Jul-02-10 06:28 AM   #394 
  - And to win elections we need to rid ourselves of this computer based system ....  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 04:15 PM   #664 
  - I'm not allying myself with anyone who excuses torture, indefinite detention without trial...  Zhade   Jul-02-10 08:02 PM   #748 
  - +1000%  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 04:11 PM   #660 
  - A common sense post! THANK YOU! n/t  Political Tiger   Jul-02-10 01:02 AM   #343 
  - "I have seen defeat and it is not pretty."  HughMoran   Jul-02-10 07:31 AM   #416 
  - This may not help DU but  txlibdem   Jul-01-10 11:34 PM   #272 
  - Shhhh. You will impede our "progress" backwards.  Jakes Progress   Jul-02-10 08:41 AM   #453 
  - What you are saying resonates totally with me.  truedelphi   Jul-02-10 01:59 PM   #600 
  - Were you here for the 2004 primaries?  Warren DeMontague   Jul-01-10 11:48 PM   #284 
  - Speaking of paying attention  Yuugal   Jul-01-10 11:57 PM   #294 
  - Drawing a line in the sand as to what constitutes a "real progressive" has nothing to do with it.  Warren DeMontague   Jul-02-10 12:01 AM   #297 
  - Guess I hit a nerve  Yuugal   Jul-02-10 12:12 AM   #311 
  - Oh, yeah, you got my number. Either that, or you should work on your communications skills.  Warren DeMontague   Jul-02-10 02:48 AM   #369 
  - The "you can't be for this and be a progressive" posters  HughMoran   Jul-02-10 08:17 AM   #432 
     - That's pretty much the raison d'etre of the entire OP.  Warren DeMontague   Jul-02-10 12:52 PM   #570 
        - Sure, but that also doesn't mean it's acceptable.  Zhade   Jul-02-10 08:55 PM   #759 
           - Define "acceptable". I'm not 100% thrilled with everything Obama has or hasn't done.  Warren DeMontague   Jul-02-10 11:49 PM   #779 
  - Yes . . . seems pretty clear to me!!  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 04:19 PM   #668 
  - I wasn't here but I heard it was a bloodbath.  KonaKane   Jul-02-10 12:10 AM   #309 
     - Yeah, it was a mess.  Warren DeMontague   Jul-02-10 02:50 AM   #370 
  - Dead on.  faceit   Jul-02-10 12:05 AM   #302 
  - You know what I think?  Tsiyu   Jul-02-10 12:13 AM   #312 
  - Stop making sense.  KonaKane   Jul-02-10 12:15 AM   #317 
  - This is one of those times when I really, really, really  Tsiyu   Jul-02-10 10:44 AM   #513 
     - Thanks, comrade.  KonaKane   Jul-02-10 03:53 PM   #648 
  - If you got from my post that I want Skinner to "make one side go away", then I did a bad  rhett o rick   Jul-02-10 08:31 AM   #447 
  - He's nominated at least 67 US attorneys  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-02-10 09:10 AM   #470 
  - Thank you. I did not have that information and apparently not  rhett o rick   Jul-02-10 09:15 AM   #473 
  - This is true . . . and when Democrats as minority held up even a few . . . GOP exploded ...  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 04:24 PM   #671 
  - I was responding to all on this thread who are really upset  Tsiyu   Jul-02-10 10:34 AM   #511 
  - Thanks for the thoughtful post. I truly want Pres Obama to succeed.  rhett o rick   Jul-02-10 06:43 PM   #719 
  - How about 'he has a really hard job, and some things just take time'.  Dawgs   Jul-02-10 01:25 PM   #584 
  - Think you did quite well . . . and this post even clearer . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 04:21 PM   #670 
  - You're too hard on yourself  spoony   Jul-03-10 01:13 AM   #782 
     - Thank you. nm  rhett o rick   Jul-03-10 10:04 AM   #792 
  - wish I could recommend your post because I would  SemperEadem   Jul-02-10 09:45 AM   #483 
     - Thank you  Tsiyu   Jul-02-10 10:39 AM   #512 
  - K&R  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jul-02-10 12:26 AM   #328 
  - Here is the core problem  grahamhgreen   Jul-02-10 12:49 AM   #338 
  - Here is another core problem.  pnwmom   Jul-02-10 01:12 AM   #346 
  - But that's what I mean, instead of talking about our real solutions,  grahamhgreen   Jul-02-10 02:54 PM   #624 
  - Absolutely . . restore New Deal rules/restrictions on corporate America --  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 04:28 PM   #672 
  - K&R  Enthusiast   Jul-02-10 01:38 AM   #348 
  - There are some at DU who promote Blue Dogs every day as the second coming.  onehandle   Jul-02-10 01:44 AM   #351 
  - REALLY! I have been here since 2004 and have NEVER seen  johnaries   Jul-02-10 01:53 AM   #355 
     - You must have missed ....  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 04:30 PM   #675 
  - If only you were right about the die-off of the GOP.  leveymg   Jul-02-10 01:49 AM   #353 
  - The only way the GOP/right wing can rise or stay in power ...  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 04:38 PM   #677 
     - "I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half." Jay Gould, banker, tycoon  leveymg   Jul-03-10 06:19 AM   #786 
        - Yep ... and as FDR put it more or less ... "you can't sell democracy to hungry people" ....  defendandprotect   Jul-03-10 02:05 PM   #804 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-02-10 02:14 AM   #364 
  - You dare speak of irony after that subject line? nt  spoony   Jul-02-10 02:33 AM   #367 
  - A lot of my argument with the people that call themselves pragmatists was obvious  JoeyT   Jul-02-10 04:56 AM   #382 
  - Well said . . . agree --  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 04:40 PM   #678 
  - I'm going where and doing what I need to do to win this upcoming election.....  FrenchieCat   Jul-02-10 05:48 AM   #385 
  - +1  MineralMan   Jul-02-10 08:19 AM   #436 
  - I would suggest that would mean  Jakes Progress   Jul-02-10 08:45 AM   #457 
  - Where in that response did you see antagonizing  Kind of Blue   Jul-02-10 09:36 AM   #480 
     - Wasn't talking to you.  Jakes Progress   Jul-02-10 11:00 PM   #770 
        - Gotcha, kicking republican ass does not  Kind of Blue   Jul-03-10 06:11 AM   #785 
           - No. You still don't get it.  Jakes Progress   Jul-03-10 09:33 AM   #790 
              - Sure do get it. In an over 200-response thread  Kind of Blue   Jul-03-10 11:27 AM   #794 
                 - Are you new?  Jakes Progress   Jul-03-10 12:07 PM   #796 
                    - I haven't taken umbrage with anything you've  Kind of Blue   Jul-03-10 12:59 PM   #797 
                       - Glad you are amused  Jakes Progress   Jul-03-10 03:50 PM   #812 
  - Absolutely!  Bluzmann57   Jul-02-10 08:54 AM   #462 
  - IMHO, there are not disctinct factions -- there is diversity of viewpoints and its not a problem  aikoaiko   Jul-02-10 05:54 AM   #386 
  - K & R  Dinger   Jul-02-10 06:30 AM   #396 
  - Very well said  mochajava666   Jul-02-10 06:45 AM   #402 
  - That's a bit disingenuous  Recursion   Jul-02-10 08:16 AM   #431 
  - Exactly, it's the  ProSense   Jul-02-10 08:36 AM   #450 
     - This is the bottom line.  Bobbie Jo   Jul-02-10 09:23 PM   #762 
  - Probably the best mud sling fest thread in the history of DU EVER! n  Javaman   Jul-02-10 08:21 AM   #440 
  - Ha cha cha cha!  lonestarnot   Jul-02-10 08:26 AM   #443 
  - Self-serving bullshit post.  geek tragedy   Jul-02-10 08:47 AM   #458 
  - A lot of people are only happy if they can say, "I'm more liberal than you."  FSogol   Jul-02-10 09:53 AM   #490 
  - I don't completely agree but I'm Rec'cing it anyway  slackmaster   Jul-02-10 09:13 AM   #472 
  - I also dont completely agree. I am not good at stating my case clearly. nm  rhett o rick   Jul-02-10 09:20 AM   #476 
  - Sticks and stones may break my bones.... Lets ignore the fake Dems, and keep building a strong party  earcandle   Jul-02-10 09:19 AM   #475 
  - the time probably has come for there to be a seperate website  SemperEadem   Jul-02-10 09:32 AM   #479 
  - Where do you get off telling someone to leave? n/t  Raineyb   Jul-02-10 09:51 AM   #489 
  - If that's what you think . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 04:45 PM   #679 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-02-10 09:49 AM   #486 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-02-10 09:50 AM   #488 
  - Is it possible that instead of focusing on labeling  DirkGently   Jul-02-10 10:12 AM   #501 
  - the labels "pragmatic" and "idealistic" were bestowed by skinner -- so, really, the pragmatists win  nashville_brook   Jul-02-10 10:54 AM   #522 
     - Well, here's what bothers me  DirkGently   Jul-02-10 11:44 AM   #533 
     - i woud like to see this as an OP for larger discussion b/c i think you're *mediating* this very well  nashville_brook   Jul-02-10 11:53 AM   #543 
        - Thanks. Could be it's gotten too ugly already.  DirkGently   Jul-02-10 12:31 PM   #564 
     - I'm handing you this shiny internet  Starry Messenger   Jul-02-10 03:04 PM   #627 
     - Agree with you . . . !  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 04:48 PM   #680 
  - The majority of the voting population  smoogatz   Jul-02-10 10:19 AM   #503 
  - I stopped reading on the 4th sentence...if you really believe the Republican Party is dying off...  newtothegame   Jul-02-10 10:26 AM   #509 
  - Skinner's problem is not our problem,  branders seine   Jul-02-10 11:02 AM   #525 
  - Agree with your summation . . . and it would quite well suit the Repugs to kill DU website ...  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 04:51 PM   #683 
  - In other words, don't use their labels, use mine  wtmusic   Jul-02-10 11:13 AM   #528 
  - Another 500+ posts on this?  Renew Deal   Jul-02-10 11:16 AM   #530 
  - No -- it shows the need for much more discussion on this . ..  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 04:52 PM   #684 
  - so, everyone who supports Obama is now a DINO/DLC/RepukeAgent, right???  Aramchek   Jul-02-10 11:44 AM   #535 
  - apparently.  dionysus   Jul-02-10 11:48 AM   #540 
  - it would seem so  SunsetDreams   Jul-02-10 12:16 PM   #559 
  - That's what I read. And, apparently many agree.  Dawgs   Jul-02-10 01:28 PM   #585 
  - That's the gist of it. And they'd like all Obama supporters to have to answer a list of questions.  DevonRex   Jul-02-10 02:44 PM   #617 
  - How about an example of the issue . . . ????  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 04:53 PM   #686 
  - I would agree with the dynamic described in OP, no matter how you label the  patrice   Jul-02-10 11:47 AM   #539 
  - And you don't question HOW and WHY the minority is controlling the Congress ...  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 04:55 PM   #688 
     - Those question, the right ones, are part of the "LOT more work" needed to be effective  patrice   Jul-02-10 05:24 PM   #704 
        - The Minority controlling the Majority is a HUGE question . . ..  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 07:20 PM   #731 
  - My main issue with this OP:  quiet.american   Jul-02-10 11:51 AM   #542 
  - excellent post!  SunsetDreams   Jul-02-10 12:07 PM   #552 
  - Outstanding post quiet.american  great white snark   Jul-02-10 12:07 PM   #553 
  - absolutely, this should be an OP  SunsetDreams   Jul-02-10 12:12 PM   #555 
  - +1. The ignorance in the OP can be found throughout DU, and that's very disappointing.  Dawgs   Jul-02-10 01:30 PM   # 
  - The reason for the label is because the same proponents  EFerrari   Jul-02-10 02:06 PM   #605 
  - thank you for keeping it real  fascisthunter   Jul-02-10 03:01 PM   #625 
  - ... and defending pro-corporate decision making by Democrats . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 04:57 PM   #689 
  - +10000  sinkingfeeling   Jul-02-10 02:47 PM   #620 
  - Well Skinner, I Do Have to Say I Appreciate That You Didn't Lock This Thread  Dinger   Jul-02-10 04:16 PM   #665 
  - +1000% . . . proves that more free speech is the answer ... airing issues... not burying them...  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 05:00 PM   #690 
  - *****OP ADDRESSED FULLY IN THIS POST***** Great go  uponit7771   Jul-04-10 01:54 PM   #840 
  - Best Circular Firing Squad Thread Ever!!  NeedleCast   Jul-02-10 12:04 PM   #550 
  - Two hundred posters disagree with you. nt  EFerrari   Jul-02-10 01:09 PM   #576 
     - Actually, I rec'd it for the discussion in the thread  Lone_Star_Dem   Jul-02-10 01:30 PM   #586 
     - Right. And calling this a circular firing squad is only meant to shut down  EFerrari   Jul-02-10 01:49 PM   #594 
        - Yes  Lone_Star_Dem   Jul-02-10 01:55 PM   #597 
           - Gotcha. Thanks.  EFerrari   Jul-02-10 02:03 PM   #604 
     - 200 out of 10,000+ is not much.  Dawgs   Jul-02-10 01:32 PM   #587 
        - That doesn't even make sense.  EFerrari   Jul-02-10 01:50 PM   #596 
        - 10,000: are they all active accounts...  fascisthunter   Jul-02-10 07:40 PM   #737 
  - I think the core problem is accusing people who don't agree with your stance  TZ   Jul-02-10 12:12 PM   #556 
  - Yep. No purity test for liberals / Dems. Or shouldn't be.  DirkGently   Jul-02-10 12:32 PM   #565 
  - So you're going to own the DU Yardstick to judge who is progressive enough to post here  LynneSin   Jul-02-10 12:13 PM   #557 
  - Lynne  SunsetDreams   Jul-02-10 12:18 PM   #560 
  - I hope so  LynneSin   Jul-02-10 12:21 PM   #561 
     - yes it is  SunsetDreams   Jul-02-10 12:33 PM   #567 
     - "The fact that this thread is on the DU Homepage is an embarassment."  Number23   Jul-02-10 08:33 PM   #756 
  - Don't forget the list of questions we all have to answer for him.  DevonRex   Jul-02-10 02:45 PM   #619 
  - rhett o rick this is a clear problem that you have thoughtfully  midnight   Jul-02-10 12:22 PM   #562 
  - Agree completely. n/t  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-02-10 12:59 PM   #572 
  - k&r for the truth. n/t  Laelth   Jul-02-10 01:03 PM   #574 
  - Frankly, I haven't noticed any problems. nt  Deep13   Jul-02-10 01:07 PM   #575 
  - The core problem are posts like yours...  MellowDem   Jul-02-10 01:11 PM   #578 
  - Many conservatives are fleeing to the Democratic Party?  OmahaBlueDog   Jul-02-10 01:16 PM   #579 
  - The whole OP was the mantra of "real" Democrats vs. fake Dems  USArmyParatrooper   Jul-02-10 05:19 PM   #700 
  - IBTL  DainBramaged   Jul-02-10 01:35 PM   #588 
  - It's a sad day on DU when so many support a Democratic 'litmus test', and cons fleeing to dem party.  Dawgs   Jul-02-10 01:36 PM   #589 
  - Pretty good deal corporations have going, isn't it - one whole party...  polichick   Jul-02-10 02:01 PM   #601 
  - Let's just be small-d Democracy - forget the 'Party'  radhika   Jul-02-10 02:25 PM   #610 
  - With 217 Recs, I'd say more than a few DUers agree with your framing of the debate.  Ignis   Jul-02-10 02:50 PM   #622 
  - The rec system as become too manipulated to be  Bobbie Jo   Jul-02-10 04:14 PM   #663 
  - Hey, I'm just a peon--er, user.  Ignis   Jul-02-10 05:04 PM   #692 
  - Agree . . . and yes it does look like a lot of  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 05:14 PM   #697 
     - It certainly does.  Bobbie Jo   Jul-03-10 02:18 PM   #806 
        - Yes -- and ....  defendandprotect   Jul-03-10 05:15 PM   #818 
  - Thanks for the comments. My framing need work as my frustration often shows thru.  rhett o rick   Jul-02-10 04:53 PM   #685 
  - You Get a Rec from me  fascisthunter   Jul-02-10 02:52 PM   #623 
  - You got an early rec from me too. n/t  Catherina   Jul-02-10 03:12 PM   #630 
  - One little addition to your well taken point.. It should be about the person,not the party...  judesedit   Jul-02-10 03:51 PM   #645 
  - Agree. Well written. nm  rhett o rick   Jul-02-10 04:50 PM   #682 
  - Sadly true -- too true ... !!  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 05:12 PM   #696 
  - One of the issues you discuss is policy discussions... but you use attack language.  Ozymanithrax   Jul-02-10 04:17 PM   #666 
  - I absolutely agree. My frustration and poor ability to articulate get the best of me.  rhett o rick   Jul-02-10 04:49 PM   #681 
     - We became so used to treating Republicans with disdain...  Ozymanithrax   Jul-02-10 08:36 PM   #757 
  - Big Tent, no more?  bobburgster   Jul-02-10 04:18 PM   #667 
  - Do you really want . . .  defendandprotect   Jul-02-10 05:10 PM   #695 
  - The DLC isn't much different then the old conservative democrats.  bobburgster   Jul-03-10 03:30 PM   #808 
     - Are you suggesting those "old conservative Democrats" weren't harmful to the nation?  defendandprotect   Jul-03-10 03:48 PM   #810 
        - No, but the democratic party didn't crumble because of them.  bobburgster   Jul-04-10 02:36 AM   #830 
  - What does the big tent need with DLCers who are pulling up the tent pegs  Individualist   Jul-02-10 08:20 PM   #753 
     - I don't agree with you on that.  bobburgster   Jul-03-10 03:32 PM   #809 
     - So you support the DLC-corporate wing?  defendandprotect   Jul-03-10 03:51 PM   #813 
        - Reread my post.....  bobburgster   Jul-04-10 02:39 AM   #831 
     - The purpose is obviously to destroy any Democratic Party activism re liberal issues ...  defendandprotect   Jul-03-10 03:50 PM   #811 
  - Conservatives are not headed "our" way, they are becoming teabaggers!  DailyGrind51   Jul-02-10 05:25 PM   #705 
  - Do the Parties really want the masses involved?  howaboutme   Jul-03-10 10:36 AM   #793 
  - perfect. it is a sad fact that some don't want to follow Democratic principles and instead want to  Divine Discontent   Jul-02-10 05:58 PM   #714 
  - +1000  pleah   Jul-02-10 07:15 PM   #730 
  - The party is bigger than one individual  MissDeeds   Jul-02-10 07:44 PM   #740 
  - K & R ! ! ! ! !  pleah   Jul-02-10 06:23 PM   #716 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-02-10 06:54 PM   #724 
  - Just a thought, but when a political Party  howaboutme   Jul-02-10 08:26 PM   #754 
  - +1000% . . . thanks for clarity!  defendandprotect   Jul-03-10 03:53 PM   #814 
  - there are those that will mock this thread, and those discussing how we're disgusted with being  Divine Discontent   Jul-02-10 10:06 PM   #764 
  - Any thread with 0.75 kilocomments on something like this that's unlocked is a win for all involved  Posteritatis   Jul-02-10 11:36 PM   #778 
  - good point. three cheers for whatever we wanna call it!  Divine Discontent   Jul-03-10 01:05 AM   #781 
  - This thread certainly touched a nerve, didn't it? n/t  QC   Jul-03-10 06:04 AM   #784 
  - I agree. nm  rhett o rick   Jul-03-10 10:02 AM   #791 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-03-10 02:06 PM   #805 
  - Well, I don't think the gap is that huge  chillspike   Jul-03-10 04:09 PM   #816 
  - Replying  Rage for Order   Jul-04-10 12:08 PM   #833 
 

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