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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 07:49 AM
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30. As a general matter, why do people that say X shouldn't be passed because it doesn't go far enough?
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 07:51 AM by BzaDem
For any X?

I would dispute everything you are saying about the bill. But assuming for a second that you are correct that the bill is less than half a loaf (let's call it a tenth of a loaf for argument's sake). Even assuming that, why is it considered reasonable for one to say that it shouldn't be passed? As a general matter? If a bill moves the country in the right direction, why does it matter what fraction of a loaf it is? Why is that even relevant, let alone dispositive? How can people say with a straight face that we shouldn't pass good bills because they aren't good enough?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top tell me...why is a pissed-down-to-nothing "Financial Reform" bill still WORTH passing? Ken Burch  Jun-30-10 01:18 AM   #0 
  - Because it's a WIN !!!1111  leftstreet   Jun-30-10 01:21 AM   #1 
  - Financial Reform looks good on a resume. nt  ZombieHorde   Jun-30-10 01:34 AM   #2 
  - Wasn't the resume thing Bush Sr's motivation for running for president?  Ken Burch   Jun-30-10 01:35 AM   #3 
     - I don't know, but I would not be surprised. POTUS is good for resumes. nt  ZombieHorde   Jun-30-10 01:42 AM   #6 
  - Yeah....Status quo is really just peachy keen.  FrenchieCat   Jun-30-10 01:38 AM   #4 
  - Status Quo isn't the ONLY alternative  Ken Burch   Jun-30-10 02:10 AM   #9 
  - Why do you assume that we would EVER get something better before the next crisis?  BzaDem   Jun-30-10 07:54 AM   #31 
  - "Why do people always assume that there is some possible way to get what they want?"  Ken Burch   Jun-30-10 04:03 PM   #43 
     - You are saying that one can't be an activist but also understand reality?  BzaDem   Jun-30-10 08:25 PM   #49 
        - Here we go with the "reality" talk  DireStrike   Jun-30-10 10:18 PM   #55 
           - If you disagree, please list the 60 Senators/218 reps that would vote for something stronger.  BzaDem   Jun-30-10 10:46 PM   #56 
  - And wait! There's more!  CrispyQ   Jun-30-10 09:35 AM   #35 
  - "Nothing that puts Wall Street on notice in any meaningful way."  The Green Manalishi   Jun-30-10 11:10 PM   #62 
  - Status Quo is not much different than this bill.  sabrina 1   Jun-30-10 02:33 AM   #12 
  - the teabaggers had to cancel their national rally for lack of attendance, so give it up already.  Hannah Bell   Jun-30-10 02:45 AM   #15 
  - Exactly how does this financial bill change the status quo?  jgraz   Jun-30-10 02:51 AM   #17 
  - And so there it is?  tekisui   Jun-30-10 07:13 AM   #26 
     - Don't we need a new version of Godwin's?  Jakes Progress   Jun-30-10 07:25 AM   #27 
     - Delete wrong spot n/t  TransitJohn   Jun-30-10 11:00 PM   #57 
     - You should be defending your position that a good but not good-enough bill is worth killing.  BzaDem   Jun-30-10 07:58 AM   #33 
  - The banksters will soon need more bailout money!! (n/t)  ProudDad   Jun-30-10 01:39 AM   #5 
  - And they'll get it by...  MattSh   Jun-30-10 06:02 AM   #24 
  - False premise in the present context ...  RoyGBiv   Jun-30-10 01:45 AM   #7 
  - agreed. It is worse than doing nothing.  provis99   Jun-30-10 02:22 AM   #10 
     - Your support for this assertion is what?  RoyGBiv   Jun-30-10 02:26 AM   #11 
        - Another meltdown is inevitable (in absence of adequate regulations). It's virtually a certainty at  inna   Jun-30-10 03:48 AM   #21 
           - Is there anything IN the legislation that would actually prevent a meltdown, though?  Ken Burch   Jun-30-10 04:01 AM   #22 
              - here's what i thought:  inna   Jun-30-10 04:25 AM   #23 
  - Because it is a perfect match and mate to ...  Newest Reality   Jun-30-10 02:05 AM   #8 
  - I can think of two reasons.  napi21   Jun-30-10 02:39 AM   #13 
  - No, it's not.  blindpig   Jun-30-10 04:58 PM   #46 
  - Have to protect the banks in the upcoming headache.  Wilms   Jun-30-10 02:43 AM   #14 
  - Because......  democrank   Jun-30-10 02:47 AM   #16 
  - For the same reason a a pissed-down-to-nothing "Healthcare Reform" bill was worth passing  jgraz   Jun-30-10 02:52 AM   #18 
  - All holes, no cheese..  girl gone mad   Jun-30-10 03:07 AM   #19 
  - I suspect that, if the bill is even marginally good, Feingold will vote for it.  inna   Jun-30-10 03:36 AM   #20 
  - Feingold is running for re-election. This has nothing to do with policy.  BzaDem   Jun-30-10 08:00 AM   #34 
     - Actually, it has EVERYTHING to do with policy.  inna   Jun-30-10 01:07 PM   #39 
        - Unless he thinks this bill will make a meltdown MORE likely, it has nothing to do with policy.  BzaDem   Jun-30-10 08:28 PM   #50 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-30-10 07:07 AM   #25 
  - You vill now be told eggzactly vhy. Zit und be qviet.  Stinky The Clown   Jun-30-10 07:36 AM   #28 
  - ...k so there are NO...NOT ONE ...tangible change in this bill vs status quo?! Seriously? Do you guy  uponit7771   Jun-30-10 07:39 AM   #29 
  - As a general matter, why do people that say X shouldn't be passed because it doesn't go far enough?  BzaDem   Jun-30-10 07:49 AM   #30 
  - I defer to Elizabeth Warren on this. nt  Hosnon   Jun-30-10 07:57 AM   #32 
  - Are you repeating talking points or do you actually know what the  IOKIYAL   Jun-30-10 10:22 AM   #36 
  - SELF DELETE n/t  emulatorloo   Jun-30-10 11:24 AM   #37 
  - To give the next Republican majority more to repeal/undermine. n/t  Orsino   Jun-30-10 11:26 AM   #38 
  - Consider the Source  ProudDad   Jun-30-10 01:36 PM   #40 
  - Mainly because it is NOT a "pissed-down-to-nothing" bill....  scheming daemons   Jun-30-10 01:47 PM   #41 
  - Quoting this.  Arkana   Jun-30-10 08:45 PM   #53 
  - Because no credible observer thinks it's worthless.  geek tragedy   Jun-30-10 01:49 PM   #42 
  - Because it can be claimed as a win for Obama. nt  LWolf   Jun-30-10 04:18 PM   #44 
  - Because we don't pay for elections, the corporations do.  Festivito   Jun-30-10 04:26 PM   #45 
  - Because it's easier to amend (new legislation) an existing bill than pass one from scratch n/m  Rosco T.   Jun-30-10 05:01 PM   #47 
  - How often does that happen? THey're going to declare victory and move on to their next  Raineyb   Jun-30-10 07:16 PM   #48 
  - the fact that the financial industry isn't screaming bloody murder tells me all i need to know  KG   Jun-30-10 08:36 PM   #51 
  - Glad someone is paying attention.  harun   Jun-30-10 08:41 PM   #52 
  - K&R more here:  amborin   Jun-30-10 09:53 PM   #54 
  - Chess Move n/t  TransitJohn   Jun-30-10 11:00 PM   #58 
  - Part 2 is coming  Rosa Luxemburg   Jun-30-10 11:01 PM   #59 
  - so we can claim it as a success and that we have done something  NHLrocks   Jun-30-10 11:04 PM   #60 
  - I heard Thom Hartmann say "nibbled to pieces by lobbyist ducks"  Canuckistanian   Jun-30-10 11:07 PM   #61 

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