Hannah Bell
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Mon Jun-28-10 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #98 |
| 99. they're going to pay regardless. that's how the scam (of making workers pay twice) works. nice |
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Edited on Mon Jun-28-10 06:55 PM by Hannah Bell
dodge, though.
workers' retirements always come out of current workers' surplus production -- in reality.
you can't prefund retirement except indirectly -- by investing in education, research, technology & resource conservation to make future workers more productive.
& strange that the only answer to my question you can come up with is about *your* wishes, rather than the established 70-year design & operation of the program -- which has always paid for current retirees by taxing current workers.
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| -President Obama's position on Social Security |
ProSense |
Jun-27-10 08:54 AM |
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obama weakens everything he proposes - aim low and settle for less nt |
msongs |
Jun-27-10 08:56 AM |
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Is that why |
ProSense |
Jun-27-10 08:58 AM |
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Jun-27-10 09:07 AM |
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Excuse me? n/t |
ProSense |
Jun-27-10 09:09 AM |
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Jun-27-10 09:21 AM |
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Yeah, I forgot that it's "cheerleading" to actually listen to what the President has to say |
ProSense |
Jun-27-10 09:25 AM |
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The President says a lot of things- and ends up doing, or acceding to, others -sometime preemptively |
depakid |
Jun-27-10 09:46 AM |
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self delete |
depakid |
Jun-27-10 09:58 AM |
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Yep, yep, yeppers. |
cliffordu |
Jun-27-10 11:02 AM |
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Exactly |
joe black |
Jun-27-10 09:46 AM |
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Thats rich. |
bvar22 |
Jun-27-10 10:33 AM |
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The Senate weakens everything Obama proposes. |
Radical Activist |
Jun-27-10 09:44 AM |
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That's demonstrably not true |
depakid |
Jun-27-10 09:54 AM |
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"the administration intervened in Congress on behalf of exorbitant CEO compensation packages" Wrong |
ProSense |
Jun-27-10 10:08 AM |
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Jun-27-10 10:14 AM |
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Here |
ProSense |
Jun-27-10 10:16 AM |
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He has facts. |
Radical Activist |
Jun-27-10 10:18 AM |
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There is a gaping chasm between what the administration claims to propose and what it actually does |
girl gone mad |
Jun-28-10 05:09 AM |
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It was true on health care, financial reform, energy, closing gitmo, and every major bill. |
Radical Activist |
Jun-27-10 10:14 AM |
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That's also demonstrably false |
depakid |
Jun-27-10 10:17 AM |
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What exactly is false? The fact that you wrote nothing must be the answer. |
Radical Activist |
Jun-27-10 10:22 AM |
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It's gotten to the point where it's not even worth arguing |
depakid |
Jun-27-10 10:52 AM |
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+1 |
whatchamacallit |
Jun-27-10 01:32 PM |
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Maybe if The President... |
bvar22 |
Jun-27-10 10:43 AM |
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It might help. |
Radical Activist |
Jun-27-10 10:48 AM |
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What about the people holding Lincoln's derivative bill up as the |
ProSense |
Jun-27-10 10:49 AM |
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They had to toss "something" to poor Blanche. |
bvar22 |
Jun-27-10 11:17 AM |
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Everybody knows it will be watered down by the regulators. |
girl gone mad |
Jun-28-10 05:03 AM |
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Not true. |
girl gone mad |
Jun-28-10 05:00 AM |
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That's not fair to speak of the President in that way. |
Xenotime |
Jun-27-10 10:59 AM |
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Not fair to The President??? |
bvar22 |
Jun-27-10 01:47 PM |
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Did you really read all of those in 2 minutes? |
SunsetDreams |
Jun-27-10 04:32 PM |
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Want to strengthen the economy? |
unhappycamper |
Jun-27-10 09:02 AM |
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+1,000 |
Scuba |
Jun-27-10 09:41 AM |
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K&R...n/t |
Oceansaway |
Jun-27-10 09:09 AM |
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Thank you for posting this. |
moriah |
Jun-27-10 09:34 AM |
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That's good, but it means nothing to us. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jun-27-10 09:36 AM |
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Thanks for pointing out the truth. |
jaxx |
Jun-27-10 09:39 AM |
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Last summer the conversation shifted from single payer/public option to |
midnight |
Jun-27-10 10:20 AM |
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The media prints what they can spin a story into. Nothing less. |
jaxx |
Jun-27-10 11:14 AM |
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And since the campaign Obama has fired his entire economic team and replaced them with DLCers. (nt) |
w4rma |
Jun-27-10 09:41 AM |
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While the suggestion was first made in 2008, that town hall quoted was in 2010 |
moriah |
Jun-27-10 09:43 AM |
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Social Security is the most unfair, regressive tax. |
Radical Activist |
Jun-27-10 09:46 AM |
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Well, I can say my mom was a boomer, but not wealthy.... |
moriah |
Jun-27-10 10:03 AM |
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Please stop saying that..... |
Wounded Bear |
Jun-27-10 10:15 AM |
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That I agree with you on -- figuring out a way to fix it. |
moriah |
Jun-27-10 10:45 AM |
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it doesn't need to be "fixed". it needs to be repaid $2.5 billion dollars. |
Hannah Bell |
Jun-28-10 04:00 AM |
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.... and if we do only that, just how long will it last? |
moriah |
Jun-28-10 04:49 AM |
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you're talking about forecasts of 30 years into the future. i suggest |
Hannah Bell |
Jun-28-10 04:54 AM |
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I'm really, really damn confused right now. |
moriah |
Jun-28-10 05:18 AM |
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I'll assume you're young & naive. I was young & naive thirty years ago when reagan pulled this same |
Hannah Bell |
Jun-28-10 05:54 AM |
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Okay, maybe I do need you to enlighten me, because I'm still damn confused here. |
moriah |
Jun-28-10 10:52 AM |
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the billion was a brain fart. i'm well aware of the correct figures; read my journal. |
Hannah Bell |
Jun-28-10 03:19 PM |
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Thank you for pointing to your journal. |
moriah |
Jun-28-10 04:54 PM |
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About $2.5 trillion is currently owed to the Social Security Trust Fund. |
Hannah Bell |
Jun-28-10 05:19 PM |
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Because I would rather pay for my check now.... |
moriah |
Jun-28-10 05:42 PM |
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they're going to pay regardless. that's how the scam (of making workers pay twice) works. nice |
Hannah Bell |
Jun-28-10 06:12 PM |
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You asked for one reason, I gave you one. |
moriah |
Jun-29-10 12:04 PM |
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lol. why are you calling me "sweetie"? |
Hannah Bell |
Jun-30-10 01:37 AM |
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I wanted to show that there were no hard feelings. |
moriah |
Jun-30-10 09:52 AM |
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oh, baloney. social security provides 100% of income for 1/3 of recipients & more than 50% |
Hannah Bell |
Jun-28-10 03:59 AM |
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After the health care horror... |
joe black |
Jun-27-10 09:50 AM |
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Well here's something else he said about Social Security |
Lasher |
Jun-27-10 10:10 AM |
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See post 14. |
moriah |
Jun-27-10 10:37 AM |
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That's a big spin you're making. |
Radical Activist |
Jun-27-10 11:37 AM |
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I don't know how much more context you could possibly need. |
Lasher |
Jun-28-10 03:40 AM |
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So, Obama was criticizing Hillary for not specifying what she would do |
Radical Activist |
Jun-28-10 09:38 AM |
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Or maybe that was Orly Taitz impersonating Obama during the debate. |
Lasher |
Jun-29-10 05:49 AM |
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Thanks for your sense pro! nt |
flamingdem |
Jun-27-10 10:14 AM |
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Want to really FIX Medicare? |
bvar22 |
Jun-27-10 10:39 AM |
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Yeah, but Simpson and other members of the Catfood Commission have mentioned cutting benefits, |
MadHound |
Jun-27-10 11:12 AM |
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So we don't allow discussion of controversial ideas and only talk to people we agree with 100%? |
Radical Activist |
Jun-27-10 11:41 AM |
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Who is discussing alternatives to gutting social security on the Catfood Commission? |
w4rma |
Jun-27-10 11:59 AM |
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It has three of the most liberal members in Congress. |
Radical Activist |
Jun-27-10 12:02 PM |
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Only 3 out of 18 are nominally "liberal"?? Really? Why so few? |
madfloridian |
Jun-27-10 12:15 PM |
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I don't know how many are liberal and I doubt you do either. |
Radical Activist |
Jun-27-10 03:18 PM |
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You just defined them yourself, my friend. |
madfloridian |
Jun-27-10 04:13 PM |
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How about SEIU President Andy Stern? |
Radical Activist |
Jun-27-10 04:25 PM |
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he's a member of congress? who knew? now who are the two other "most liberal" congresspeople? |
Hannah Bell |
Jun-28-10 04:03 AM |
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They have secret identities. |
Lasher |
Jun-29-10 06:03 AM |
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who would those be? |
Hannah Bell |
Jun-28-10 04:01 AM |
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You really don't have a clue, do you? |
MadHound |
Jun-27-10 12:49 PM |
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+10000!!!!! Thank you for stating it's so succinctly. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-27-10 01:56 PM |
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The only thing I've paid is the benefits of current SS recipients. |
Radical Activist |
Jun-27-10 03:16 PM |
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lol. Where do you get this stuff? |
girl gone mad |
Jun-28-10 05:26 AM |
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And Obama has proposed cutting tax loopholes, |
Radical Activist |
Jun-27-10 12:05 PM |
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His actions in appointing privatizers to the debt commission speak louder |
madfloridian |
Jun-27-10 11:16 AM |
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The make up of the commission tells it all. |
madfloridian |
Jun-27-10 11:37 AM |
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Here's the list of members on the commission. Speaks louder than words. |
madfloridian |
Jun-27-10 11:41 AM |
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Three of the most liberal members of Congress. Awesome! |
Radical Activist |
Jun-27-10 11:45 AM |
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Durbin said bleeding heart liberals would not be happy... |
madfloridian |
Jun-27-10 11:48 AM |
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The only quotes I can find were about the debt generally, not Social Security. |
Radical Activist |
Jun-27-10 12:00 PM |
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And here's the exact context and quote for you Mad |
Catherina |
Jun-27-10 02:11 PM |
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Thanks for that. |
madfloridian |
Jun-27-10 02:14 PM |
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You're welcome. Thank you for your objectivity and perseverance n/t |
Catherina |
Jun-27-10 02:25 PM |
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So no direct quote from Durbin suggesting cuts to SS. |
Radical Activist |
Jun-27-10 03:22 PM |
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They claim there's been no increase in cost of living |
Mimosa |
Jun-27-10 10:12 PM |
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I can't believe the lies they tell us to our faces. |
Catherina |
Jun-28-10 11:57 AM |
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It's the total military spending that is driving the country into the ground. |
L0oniX |
Jun-27-10 12:10 PM |
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thanks. lots of talk here that Obama is going to gut SS. |
Whisp |
Jun-27-10 03:23 PM |
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Social Security is NOT BROKEN. Obama should know that. nt |
earth mom |
Jun-27-10 04:27 PM |
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He adamantly opposed mandates and the taxing of benefits too. |
TheKentuckian |
Jun-27-10 04:32 PM |
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He stood behind transparency, but this Commission is locked up tighter |
tsuki |
Jun-28-10 04:04 AM |
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I heard President Obama at a town hall where he spoke to this. |
laughingliberal |
Jun-28-10 03:24 PM |
#95 |
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