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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 09:34 AM
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9. Thank you for posting this.
Perhaps people will call what I'm saying cheerleading, but I've been rather disappointed in many threads here lately. It doesn't seem like there's any way to please people. Suggesting taxing the wealthy at a rate a least a little closer to that of people who are making less than $109k a year so that Social Security will be there when I retire? That's a great idea! It was a great idea in 2008, too! So why do so few people see it as a great idea now?

Oh no. Obama has fallen off of his pedestal. He didn't live up to all of the huge expectations of people who thought that the president and his administration actually had super powers and that once he stepped into office that things would magically change overnight and make us all into shiny happy people holding hands. So now he's being attacked in a way similar to the way people here attacked Bush.

People, no president is perfect. No politician is perfect. And when you expect perfection, all you end up with is disappointment. The most you can expect is progress, and the solution that sounded so great in 2008 *is* progress.

As my grandmother was fond of saying, "Some people just won't be happy, not even if you hung them with a new rope."
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  -President Obama's position on Social Security ProSense  Jun-27-10 08:54 AM   #0 
  - obama weakens everything he proposes - aim low and settle for less nt  msongs   Jun-27-10 08:56 AM   #1 
  - Is that why  ProSense   Jun-27-10 08:58 AM   #2 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-27-10 09:07 AM   #4 
  - Excuse me? n/t  ProSense   Jun-27-10 09:09 AM   #5 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-27-10 09:21 AM   #7 
     - Yeah, I forgot that it's "cheerleading" to actually listen to what the President has to say  ProSense   Jun-27-10 09:25 AM   #8 
        - The President says a lot of things- and ends up doing, or acceding to, others -sometime preemptively  depakid   Jun-27-10 09:46 AM   #16 
        - self delete  depakid   Jun-27-10 09:58 AM   #21 
        - Yep, yep, yeppers.  cliffordu   Jun-27-10 11:02 AM   #43 
  - Exactly  joe black   Jun-27-10 09:46 AM   #17 
  - Thats rich.  bvar22   Jun-27-10 10:33 AM   #34 
  - The Senate weakens everything Obama proposes.  Radical Activist   Jun-27-10 09:44 AM   #15 
  - That's demonstrably not true  depakid   Jun-27-10 09:54 AM   #20 
  - "the administration intervened in Congress on behalf of exorbitant CEO compensation packages" Wrong  ProSense   Jun-27-10 10:08 AM   #23 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-27-10 10:14 AM   #26 
  - Here  ProSense   Jun-27-10 10:16 AM   #29 
  - He has facts.  Radical Activist   Jun-27-10 10:18 AM   #31 
  - There is a gaping chasm between what the administration claims to propose and what it actually does  girl gone mad   Jun-28-10 05:09 AM   #87 
  - It was true on health care, financial reform, energy, closing gitmo, and every major bill.  Radical Activist   Jun-27-10 10:14 AM   #27 
     - That's also demonstrably false  depakid   Jun-27-10 10:17 AM   #30 
        - What exactly is false? The fact that you wrote nothing must be the answer.  Radical Activist   Jun-27-10 10:22 AM   #33 
        - It's gotten to the point where it's not even worth arguing  depakid   Jun-27-10 10:52 AM   #41 
        - +1  whatchamacallit   Jun-27-10 01:32 PM   #61 
  - Maybe if The President...  bvar22   Jun-27-10 10:43 AM   #37 
  - It might help.  Radical Activist   Jun-27-10 10:48 AM   #39 
  - What about the people holding Lincoln's derivative bill up as the  ProSense   Jun-27-10 10:49 AM   #40 
     - They had to toss "something" to poor Blanche.  bvar22   Jun-27-10 11:17 AM   #47 
     - Everybody knows it will be watered down by the regulators.  girl gone mad   Jun-28-10 05:03 AM   #86 
  - Not true.  girl gone mad   Jun-28-10 05:00 AM   #85 
  - That's not fair to speak of the President in that way.  Xenotime   Jun-27-10 10:59 AM   #42 
  - Not fair to The President???  bvar22   Jun-27-10 01:47 PM   #62 
  - Did you really read all of those in 2 minutes?  SunsetDreams   Jun-27-10 04:32 PM   #75 
  - Want to strengthen the economy?  unhappycamper   Jun-27-10 09:02 AM   #3 
  - +1,000  Scuba   Jun-27-10 09:41 AM   #13 
  - K&R...n/t  Oceansaway   Jun-27-10 09:09 AM   #6 
  - Thank you for posting this.  moriah   Jun-27-10 09:34 AM   #9 
  - That's good, but it means nothing to us.  lumberjack_jeff   Jun-27-10 09:36 AM   #10 
  - Thanks for pointing out the truth.  jaxx   Jun-27-10 09:39 AM   #11 
  - Last summer the conversation shifted from single payer/public option to  midnight   Jun-27-10 10:20 AM   #32 
     - The media prints what they can spin a story into. Nothing less.  jaxx   Jun-27-10 11:14 AM   #45 
  - And since the campaign Obama has fired his entire economic team and replaced them with DLCers. (nt)  w4rma   Jun-27-10 09:41 AM   #12 
  - While the suggestion was first made in 2008, that town hall quoted was in 2010  moriah   Jun-27-10 09:43 AM   #14 
  - Social Security is the most unfair, regressive tax.  Radical Activist   Jun-27-10 09:46 AM   #18 
  - Well, I can say my mom was a boomer, but not wealthy....  moriah   Jun-27-10 10:03 AM   #22 
  - Please stop saying that.....  Wounded Bear   Jun-27-10 10:15 AM   #28 
     - That I agree with you on -- figuring out a way to fix it.  moriah   Jun-27-10 10:45 AM   #38 
        - it doesn't need to be "fixed". it needs to be repaid $2.5 billion dollars.  Hannah Bell   Jun-28-10 04:00 AM   #79 
           - .... and if we do only that, just how long will it last?  moriah   Jun-28-10 04:49 AM   #83 
              - you're talking about forecasts of 30 years into the future. i suggest  Hannah Bell   Jun-28-10 04:54 AM   #84 
                 - I'm really, really damn confused right now.  moriah   Jun-28-10 05:18 AM   #88 
                    - I'll assume you're young & naive. I was young & naive thirty years ago when reagan pulled this same  Hannah Bell   Jun-28-10 05:54 AM   #90 
                       - Okay, maybe I do need you to enlighten me, because I'm still damn confused here.  moriah   Jun-28-10 10:52 AM   #92 
                          - the billion was a brain fart. i'm well aware of the correct figures; read my journal.  Hannah Bell   Jun-28-10 03:19 PM   #94 
                             - Thank you for pointing to your journal.  moriah   Jun-28-10 04:54 PM   #96 
                                - About $2.5 trillion is currently owed to the Social Security Trust Fund.  Hannah Bell   Jun-28-10 05:19 PM   #97 
                                   - Because I would rather pay for my check now....  moriah   Jun-28-10 05:42 PM   #98 
                                      - they're going to pay regardless. that's how the scam (of making workers pay twice) works. nice  Hannah Bell   Jun-28-10 06:12 PM   #99 
                                         - You asked for one reason, I gave you one.  moriah   Jun-29-10 12:04 PM   #102 
                                            - lol. why are you calling me "sweetie"?  Hannah Bell   Jun-30-10 01:37 AM   #103 
                                               - I wanted to show that there were no hard feelings.  moriah   Jun-30-10 09:52 AM   #104 
  - oh, baloney. social security provides 100% of income for 1/3 of recipients & more than 50%  Hannah Bell   Jun-28-10 03:59 AM   #78 
  - After the health care horror...  joe black   Jun-27-10 09:50 AM   #19 
  - Well here's something else he said about Social Security  Lasher   Jun-27-10 10:10 AM   #24 
  - See post 14.  moriah   Jun-27-10 10:37 AM   #35 
  - That's a big spin you're making.  Radical Activist   Jun-27-10 11:37 AM   #49 
     - I don't know how much more context you could possibly need.  Lasher   Jun-28-10 03:40 AM   #77 
        - So, Obama was criticizing Hillary for not specifying what she would do  Radical Activist   Jun-28-10 09:38 AM   #91 
           - Or maybe that was Orly Taitz impersonating Obama during the debate.  Lasher   Jun-29-10 05:49 AM   #100 
  - Thanks for your sense pro! nt  flamingdem   Jun-27-10 10:14 AM   #25 
  - Want to really FIX Medicare?  bvar22   Jun-27-10 10:39 AM   #36 
  - Yeah, but Simpson and other members of the Catfood Commission have mentioned cutting benefits,  MadHound   Jun-27-10 11:12 AM   #44 
  - So we don't allow discussion of controversial ideas and only talk to people we agree with 100%?  Radical Activist   Jun-27-10 11:41 AM   #51 
  - Who is discussing alternatives to gutting social security on the Catfood Commission?  w4rma   Jun-27-10 11:59 AM   #54 
  - It has three of the most liberal members in Congress.  Radical Activist   Jun-27-10 12:02 PM   #56 
     - Only 3 out of 18 are nominally "liberal"?? Really? Why so few?  madfloridian   Jun-27-10 12:15 PM   #59 
     - I don't know how many are liberal and I doubt you do either.  Radical Activist   Jun-27-10 03:18 PM   #68 
        - You just defined them yourself, my friend.  madfloridian   Jun-27-10 04:13 PM   #71 
           - How about SEIU President Andy Stern?  Radical Activist   Jun-27-10 04:25 PM   #72 
              - he's a member of congress? who knew? now who are the two other "most liberal" congresspeople?  Hannah Bell   Jun-28-10 04:03 AM   #81 
                 - They have secret identities.  Lasher   Jun-29-10 06:03 AM   #101 
     - who would those be?  Hannah Bell   Jun-28-10 04:01 AM   #80 
  - You really don't have a clue, do you?  MadHound   Jun-27-10 12:49 PM   #60 
     - +10000!!!!! Thank you for stating it's so succinctly.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jun-27-10 01:56 PM   #63 
     - The only thing I've paid is the benefits of current SS recipients.  Radical Activist   Jun-27-10 03:16 PM   #67 
        - lol. Where do you get this stuff?  girl gone mad   Jun-28-10 05:26 AM   #89 
  - And Obama has proposed cutting tax loopholes,  Radical Activist   Jun-27-10 12:05 PM   #57 
  - His actions in appointing privatizers to the debt commission speak louder  madfloridian   Jun-27-10 11:16 AM   #46 
  - The make up of the commission tells it all.  madfloridian   Jun-27-10 11:37 AM   #48 
  - Here's the list of members on the commission. Speaks louder than words.  madfloridian   Jun-27-10 11:41 AM   #50 
  - Three of the most liberal members of Congress. Awesome!  Radical Activist   Jun-27-10 11:45 AM   #52 
     - Durbin said bleeding heart liberals would not be happy...  madfloridian   Jun-27-10 11:48 AM   #53 
        - The only quotes I can find were about the debt generally, not Social Security.  Radical Activist   Jun-27-10 12:00 PM   #55 
        - And here's the exact context and quote for you Mad  Catherina   Jun-27-10 02:11 PM   #64 
           - Thanks for that.  madfloridian   Jun-27-10 02:14 PM   #65 
           - You're welcome. Thank you for your objectivity and perseverance n/t  Catherina   Jun-27-10 02:25 PM   #66 
           - So no direct quote from Durbin suggesting cuts to SS.  Radical Activist   Jun-27-10 03:22 PM   #69 
           - They claim there's been no increase in cost of living  Mimosa   Jun-27-10 10:12 PM   #76 
              - I can't believe the lies they tell us to our faces.  Catherina   Jun-28-10 11:57 AM   #93 
  - It's the total military spending that is driving the country into the ground.  L0oniX   Jun-27-10 12:10 PM   #58 
  - thanks. lots of talk here that Obama is going to gut SS.  Whisp   Jun-27-10 03:23 PM   #70 
  - Social Security is NOT BROKEN. Obama should know that. nt  earth mom   Jun-27-10 04:27 PM   #73 
  - He adamantly opposed mandates and the taxing of benefits too.  TheKentuckian   Jun-27-10 04:32 PM   #74 
  - He stood behind transparency, but this Commission is locked up tighter  tsuki   Jun-28-10 04:04 AM   #82 
  - I heard President Obama at a town hall where he spoke to this.  laughingliberal   Jun-28-10 03:24 PM   #95 

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