William Z. Foster
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Fri Jun-25-10 05:15 PM
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| 79. yes, late in the game |
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Late in the game and thanks to a few courageous individuals, after a terrible number of people had died and been wounded, we learned that the whole thing was based on lies. Yes, that is what I mean.
Lurking behind these crossfire talking point wars here I suspect there are some profound political differences, and this type of debates disguises and obfuscates that. I say we need a stronger press, stronger than we had then and much stringer than we have now. I would not therefore take the position that "TV is covering it, and those complaining about the media are wrong." I take the position that we need to know more about what those in power are doing, so I would not jump all over people who also take that position over relatively minor and petty details.
I was dissatisfied with the level of critical coverage of the government's actions in Viet Nam back in the 60's, and that this contributed to the nightmare there. What say you? Was it just fine from your point of view? That is what matters - where we each stand on these issues, not who can "win" some empty-headed and superficial exchange of clever and snarky talking points.
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| -CNN: Almost All 1989 Exxon Valdez Cleanup Crew Dead!!!!! |
cory777 |
Jun-24-10 03:32 AM |
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Who's killing them? |
Ter |
Jun-24-10 04:07 AM |
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Here's a good follow up on that: Exxon Valdez oil risks spur warning for gulf cleanup crews |
1776Forever |
Jun-24-10 05:38 AM |
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Meryl Savage wrote a book on Valdez & has a website here: |
Shallah Kali |
Jun-24-10 11:36 PM |
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Holy crap. I was in Alaska when the Valdez thing happened, and knew people who went up there |
ixion |
Jun-24-10 05:39 AM |
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Are they all dead? |
DeltaLitProf |
Jun-24-10 04:41 PM |
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Unfuckingbelievable |
malaise |
Jun-24-10 06:33 AM |
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Appears that way, huh |
madokie |
Jun-24-10 06:35 AM |
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we are ALL disposable, in the eyes of the multi-nationals... |
ixion |
Jun-24-10 06:38 AM |
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Serfin' USA! courtesy of JimSagle n/t |
Catherina |
Jun-24-10 01:51 PM |
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+1 |
GoddessOfGuinness |
Jun-25-10 12:07 AM |
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I think you're exactly right, yet I would drop the 'sarcasm' |
obxhead |
Jun-24-10 10:05 PM |
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I know this song is about war... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Jun-24-10 10:55 PM |
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Both crude oil and the dispersants are extremely toxic and carcinogenic |
ck4829 |
Jun-24-10 06:36 AM |
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Of the two, I think the dispersants are deadlier |
WeDidIt |
Jun-24-10 02:03 PM |
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Actually, we don't need to talk about "mountain-loads." |
JDPriestly |
Jun-24-10 08:41 PM |
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And that 's just the warnings for problems they admit too!!! nt |
lunasun |
Jun-24-10 09:32 PM |
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Yet BP is not giving out respirators in some cases as |
truedelphi |
Jun-25-10 03:54 AM |
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Surprise! |
Robert DAH Bruce |
Jun-24-10 06:43 AM |
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Your "Friendly" "you and us" type corporation is there to make money, |
Hubert Flottz |
Jun-24-10 06:50 AM |
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I just read this comment |
happy_liberal |
Jun-24-10 12:06 PM |
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I don't blame |
femrap |
Jun-24-10 03:52 PM |
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Well, fewer numbers of serfs |
LiberalEsto |
Jun-24-10 04:50 PM |
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Wow. Great info! Right on also. Just "wow". |
glinda |
Jun-24-10 08:38 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Jun-24-10 12:08 PM |
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Please K&R |
happy_liberal |
Jun-24-10 12:08 PM |
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K&R |
nonconformist |
Jun-24-10 12:55 PM |
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It is why they won't allow respirators. It would be an admission of the toxicity. |
HCE SuiGeneris |
Jun-24-10 01:33 PM |
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Christie Todd Whitman/Lower Manhattan Redux n/t |
musette_sf |
Jun-24-10 05:23 PM |
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No chit. |
HCE SuiGeneris |
Jun-24-10 09:20 PM |
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Aren't some of the workers prisoners or something??? |
glinda |
Jun-24-10 08:41 PM |
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And what may be the worst aspect of it all? |
gratuitous |
Jun-24-10 01:43 PM |
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Good people die while bad people kill them off. (nt) |
w4rma |
Jun-24-10 04:01 PM |
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recommend |
TexasObserver |
Jun-24-10 01:50 PM |
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K&R |
pinstikfartherin |
Jun-24-10 01:53 PM |
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K&R |
me b zola |
Jun-24-10 02:01 PM |
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Holy shit..... |
femrap |
Jun-24-10 03:47 PM |
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umm and also the whole damn Gulf of Mexico is now full of poisons |
anarch |
Jun-24-10 08:48 PM |
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K&R |
highplainsdem |
Jun-24-10 03:48 PM |
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Kicked and recommended. |
Uncle Joe |
Jun-24-10 03:56 PM |
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Wow, how horrific and sad. |
earth mom |
Jun-24-10 03:58 PM |
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Also, do not forget the suicides. |
Blue_In_AK |
Jun-24-10 04:06 PM |
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Add that to the 9/11 Rescue Crews, Gulf War Syndrome, and the main lesson is sorrowfully clear. |
tom_paine |
Jun-24-10 04:13 PM |
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Makes a lot of sense |
Mimosa |
Jun-25-10 04:55 PM |
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Probably not. |
DeltaLitProf |
Jun-24-10 04:41 PM |
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The USA killed millions in Vietnam and maybe a million in Iraq, but I never saw that reported on TV |
Swamp Rat |
Jun-24-10 04:43 PM |
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+1 Swampy |
Blue_In_AK |
Jun-24-10 04:45 PM |
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You never saw the Vietnam War reported on TV? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-24-10 05:20 PM |
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and you think that it was? |
William Z. Foster |
Jun-25-10 01:33 AM |
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Uh, big media was INSTRUMENTAL in stopping that war |
HEyHEY |
Jun-25-10 02:08 AM |
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Yes, I think the Vietnam war was covered by the media. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-25-10 03:56 AM |
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odd |
William Z. Foster |
Jun-25-10 02:56 PM |
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You mean the Pentagon Papers covered by the New York Times? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-25-10 04:47 PM |
#75 |
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yes, late in the game |
William Z. Foster |
Jun-25-10 05:15 PM |
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Late in the Vietnam War, that is. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-25-10 05:22 PM |
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no idea |
William Z. Foster |
Jun-25-10 05:26 PM |
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Can it be possible that you haven't noticed your line of thinking is now invalid? |
tom_paine |
Jun-24-10 05:11 PM |
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+10000000 |
nashville_brook |
Jun-24-10 09:02 PM |
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Okay, and it's also possible to find examples where MSM did do their job |
HEyHEY |
Jun-25-10 02:10 AM |
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Two things : the Palast example proves my point & consider the logic of the various assertions |
tom_paine |
Jun-25-10 09:11 AM |
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There was/is very little in the media about 9/11 clean up workers |
Little Star |
Jun-24-10 05:18 PM |
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I agree |
Johonny |
Jun-24-10 07:37 PM |
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Not too sure if you've been paying attention. Do you really think that truth is ushered to the fore- |
HCE SuiGeneris |
Jun-24-10 09:16 PM |
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Cause we all know how conscientious and truthful the media are. |
BrklynLiberal |
Jun-24-10 09:32 PM |
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Um, this entire thread is based on a claim made on CNN. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-25-10 12:46 AM |
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I used to think that |
William Z. Foster |
Jun-25-10 01:28 AM |
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No. Reexamine yours. |
DeltaLitProf |
Jun-25-10 04:30 AM |
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what? |
William Z. Foster |
Jun-26-10 12:19 AM |
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K & R |
AzDar |
Jun-24-10 08:43 PM |
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Horrible |
MissDeeds |
Jun-24-10 08:51 PM |
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K&R and Exxon saw BP was useless and pushed them out of the way, why don't we? |
amborin |
Jun-24-10 09:03 PM |
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I'm going to rec this because I want this vetted. |
tranche |
Jun-24-10 09:06 PM |
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But it's got a fancy techno music sound track. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-24-10 11:58 PM |
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It sounded like mostly bullshit to me |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Jun-24-10 09:10 PM |
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I knew a couple that went up there.. |
Bennyboy |
Jun-24-10 09:37 PM |
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I think this will be the great migration of folks from the Gulf |
MadMaddie |
Jun-24-10 11:08 PM |
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I think your right |
lovuian |
Jun-24-10 11:12 PM |
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right on. they have to spend everything they can to get this sucked up for years to prevent |
Divine Discontent |
Jun-25-10 02:03 AM |
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The West Coast maybe |
MadMaddie |
Jun-25-10 09:15 AM |
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kick and recommend |
tomm2thumbs |
Jun-25-10 01:43 AM |
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Just checking to see if anyone's verified that Exxon killed the cleanup crew. |
tranche |
Jun-25-10 10:39 AM |
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"Video removed by user" n/t |
Barrett808 |
Jun-25-10 04:58 PM |
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They've gotten to him. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-25-10 04:59 PM |
#78 |