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39. Correct, but if you go to take Communion the Priest MUST give it with one exception
And that exception is that the Priest KNOWNS you are NOT in Communion. In any such dispute, the burden of proof in on the Priest AND it is automatic Ex-communication if the Priest denies Communion to a person in full communion. In simple terms if someone goes to the Alter, the Priest will give Communion. When a person is in ex-communication he or she is still expected to go to church (how else can they seek forgiveness?) but is told NOT to take communion. Thus the burden is on the person seeking Communion NOT the person giving it.

Just a note on the concept of Catholic ex-communication. One further comment, till the Middle Ages, Christians also separated into Males and Female Groups inside Churches. Sometime during the "Dark Ages" this changed to all male and female groups (With young children with their mothers) to Families going together. The Middle Ages is considered the high point of Women's Rights till the 1800s. With the re-introduction of Roman Law during the Renaissance (And the conversion of Military duties to taxes) you saw a decline in Women's rights (For example a man had the duty to perform any military duty his wife's ownership of land required, thus men received full use of her land for he had to perform the military duties tied in with that land, when this military duty was converted to taxes, women could pay taxes as while as men but the law as to the husband's full use of her land did NOT change. Thus women lost rights when such military duty was converted to taxes). Just a comment on how women and men have been treated within the Christian community and how that has changed over the last 2000 years.
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  -D.C. police will no longer intervene to remove women from mosques. woo me with science  Jun-21-10 11:11 AM   #0 
  - As much as I disagree with gender discrimination in mosques, I'd expect the same  no_hypocrisy   Jun-21-10 11:14 AM   #1 
  - "By "they" I assume you mean "men"  theHandpuppet   Jun-22-10 05:43 AM   #76 
  - Very interesting, from all sides. I have to say I like this move.  Brickbat   Jun-21-10 11:14 AM   #2 
  - The Cato Institute is in favor of government intervention in private disputes..  Fumesucker   Jun-21-10 11:17 AM   #3 
  - Ensuring women's secondary status, makes sense when you look at it that way.  riderinthestorm   Jun-21-10 11:21 AM   #5 
  - I was being sardonic.. Hence the eyeroll..  Fumesucker   Jun-21-10 11:26 AM   #9 
     - And I was echoing your sardonic and amplifying it.  riderinthestorm   Jun-21-10 11:31 AM   #16 
        - Remember how all  femrap   Jun-21-10 12:06 PM   #30 
           - Oh yes - another old feminist here and I remember it very well.  riderinthestorm   Jun-21-10 02:12 PM   #57 
  - Government's only function to them is to preserve private property rights  Oregone   Jun-21-10 11:28 AM   #11 
  - The new D.C. policy is correct.  JDPriestly   Jun-21-10 11:18 AM   #4 
  - Fascinating story. I hadn't heard about this before today.  riderinthestorm   Jun-21-10 11:24 AM   #7 
  - "If you don't want a trespasser on your lawn ... you do rely on the police, ultimately, to eject..."  Oregone   Jun-21-10 11:25 AM   #8 
  - Is a tax-exempt institution "private property"?  WinkyDink   Jun-21-10 11:28 AM   #12 
  - Is it public property?  Oregone   Jun-21-10 11:33 AM   #18 
  - Separation of church and state says yes.  JVS   Jun-21-10 12:56 PM   #43 
  - My thoughts too  NoNothing   Jun-21-10 11:42 AM   #23 
  - That would be assault and battery. That is a totally different matter  JDPriestly   Jun-21-10 01:41 PM   #49 
     - It's not a separate matter  NoNothing   Jun-21-10 01:54 PM   #54 
        - You're equating women trying to be equal to men, to an "obnoxious guest"?  riderinthestorm   Jun-21-10 02:09 PM   #56 
           - "Obnoxious" is in the eyes of the beholder  NoNothing   Jun-21-10 02:29 PM   #58 
              - Uh, you are actually defending your use of the word "obnoxious" re: the women protesters. Ooookay.  riderinthestorm   Jun-21-10 02:59 PM   #62 
  - It is my understanding that mosques have seperate  Angry Dragon   Jun-21-10 12:08 PM   #31 
  - And so do restaurants. They have a place for customers, and a place for cooks  Oregone   Jun-21-10 12:21 PM   #37 
     - Apples and Oranges  Angry Dragon   Jun-21-10 12:45 PM   #40 
     - That is completely different.  JDPriestly   Jun-21-10 01:43 PM   #50 
        - Depends on the restaurant's policies  Oregone   Jun-21-10 01:49 PM   #53 
  - I did not understand that the women were trespassing.  JDPriestly   Jun-21-10 01:39 PM   #48 
  - Not trespassing.  Dogtown   Jun-22-10 05:41 AM   #75 
  - Is it separation of church and state?  JustABozoOnThisBus   Jun-21-10 11:27 AM   #10 
  - You realize that church weddings, funerals, and services are OPEN TO ALL?  WinkyDink   Jun-21-10 11:29 AM   #13 
  - I believe churches, temples and mosques should pay TAXES  Lance_Boyle   Jun-21-10 11:29 AM   #14 
  - "The issue will sort itself out after much protest and many arrests."  Oregone   Jun-21-10 11:30 AM   #15 
  - But the women aren't trespassers. They are members.  riderinthestorm   Jun-21-10 11:33 AM   #19 
     - Under the law you either have a legal right to be on the property, a quest, an Invitee or a trespass  happyslug   Jun-22-10 08:31 AM   #78 
        - Thanks for the lengthy explanation. Lots to think about.  riderinthestorm   Jun-22-10 11:02 AM   #83 
           - The Police exist to keep the peace NOT enforce the law  happyslug   Jun-22-10 05:15 PM   #95 
              - I'm not a lawyer. Can you answer my questions in something like English? Many thanks!nt  riderinthestorm   Jun-23-10 10:41 PM   #97 
  - You are correct about communion. There have been many cases  hedgehog   Jun-21-10 11:36 AM   #20 
  - "how violent will the dispute get"  Oregone   Jun-21-10 11:57 AM   #28 
  - "Religion is insane"  riderinthestorm   Jun-21-10 02:06 PM   #55 
     - "laying their hands on"... I'm sure the police would respond to battery, yes?  fishbulb703   Jun-22-10 02:31 PM   #92 
  - I always like your insightful posts  Angry Dragon   Jun-21-10 12:11 PM   #32 
     - Thank you. I do expect to see changes in the structure of the Catholic Church,  hedgehog   Jun-21-10 12:17 PM   #34 
     - I would think that would be a good thing  Angry Dragon   Jun-21-10 12:46 PM   #41 
     - Depends on the church.  Gaedel   Jun-21-10 07:28 PM   #69 
  - Not really. It's a property issue.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jun-21-10 12:03 PM   #29 
  - But, who owns the mosque? Don't members usually own such buildings?  JDPriestly   Jun-21-10 01:46 PM   #52 
  - No  NoNothing   Jun-21-10 02:47 PM   #60 
  - But..  girl gone mad   Jun-21-10 03:24 PM   #63 
  - Correct, but if you go to take Communion the Priest MUST give it with one exception  happyslug   Jun-21-10 12:41 PM   #39 
     - Interesting! But the U.S. government does not enforce any of the  JDPriestly   Jun-21-10 01:33 PM   #45 
     - Technically the Catholic Church has its own Court System  happyslug   Jun-21-10 02:36 PM   #59 
        - Agreed. I was of course talking about civil, secular courts.  JDPriestly   Jun-22-10 01:15 AM   #73 
     - There are all kinds of rumors on Right wing Catholic Web sites  hedgehog   Jun-21-10 01:38 PM   #47 
        - lol!!!!!!! n/t  RainDog   Jun-22-10 10:47 AM   #81 
  - Great !  UndertheOcean   Jun-21-10 11:24 AM   #6 
  - Its hard to say what will give them better recognition?  glowing   Jun-21-10 11:31 AM   #17 
  - Prayer  bpj62   Jun-21-10 11:37 AM   #21 
  - I would urge the Moslem women to organize their own mosque according to their own rules.  hedgehog   Jun-21-10 11:38 AM   #22 
  - Or they could go to a male strip club, really pissing off the men  Oregone   Jun-21-10 11:45 AM   #24 
  - Why can't they just have their protest at the existing mosques?  riderinthestorm   Jun-21-10 11:46 AM   #25 
     - It comes down to a question of whose mosque is it. I'm not  hedgehog   Jun-21-10 11:50 AM   #26 
     - "they are second status"  Oregone   Jun-21-10 11:52 AM   #27 
        - I think the women involved would say that Islam does NOT  hedgehog   Jun-21-10 12:20 PM   #36 
  - are there any women here ?  dipsydoodle   Jun-21-10 12:14 PM   #33 
  - Back wards religious thinking about women was part of the reason I left  Cleita   Jun-21-10 12:19 PM   #35 
  - If Islam is anything like the Catholic Church, men do a lot of  hedgehog   Jun-21-10 12:23 PM   #38 
     - Yes, and for very little if any thanks. I don't know about Islam but  Cleita   Jun-21-10 12:54 PM   #42 
  - Here's an interesting website I found about the history of women in Islam.  Cleita   Jun-21-10 01:04 PM   #44 
  - If a religion is meant to spread like a virus, but be victim to man's distortion...  Oregone   Jun-21-10 01:37 PM   #46 
  - Private property = None of cops' business unless a crime is being committed  slackmaster   Jun-21-10 01:45 PM   #51 
  - So if someone sets up camp on your front lawn is it none of the police's business? nt  kelly1mm   Jun-21-10 02:52 PM   #61 
     - Well, that would be a crime, no?  girl gone mad   Jun-21-10 03:27 PM   #64 
        - Depending on the property title it is tresspassing if they will not leave. nt  kelly1mm   Jun-21-10 03:47 PM   #65 
           - But since the DC cops aren't going to be removing the women anymore, trespassing isn't it.  riderinthestorm   Jun-21-10 05:30 PM   #66 
              - Police officers do not decide what activity is and is not a crime - judges  kelly1mm   Jun-21-10 06:58 PM   #67 
                 - As I said, there's more to the story. That the police are not going in there anymore is key  riderinthestorm   Jun-21-10 07:18 PM   #68 
                    - You are right, there probably is more to the story. Thanks for your thoughts. nt  kelly1mm   Jun-21-10 09:19 PM   #70 
                       - Peace. And a belated welcome to DU. nt  riderinthestorm   Jun-21-10 09:24 PM   #71 
  - It's funny how the same  JerseygirlCT   Jun-21-10 09:25 PM   #72 
  - Do you class law enforcement as government intervention?  Donald Ian Rankin   Jun-22-10 05:24 AM   #74 
     - You don't think they do?  JerseygirlCT   Jun-22-10 07:50 AM   #77 
  - Thats good. Its not the business of the police to police to enforce religious edicts.  D23MIURG23   Jun-22-10 08:50 AM   #79 
  - I'm guessing the reason the police don't want to be involved is because  JoeyT   Jun-22-10 10:35 AM   #80 
  - great thread! thanks for all who are posting here.  RainDog   Jun-22-10 10:50 AM   #82 
  - Why are you posting here?  Dr. Strange   Jun-22-10 11:05 AM   #84 
     - doctor, doctor, give me the news  RainDog   Jun-22-10 01:56 PM   #85 
     - Both.  Dr. Strange   Jun-22-10 02:21 PM   #88 
        - you know where to find me...  RainDog   Jun-22-10 02:26 PM   #91 
     - If true that would exclude you  TZ   Jun-22-10 02:09 PM   #87 
        - Nice post, CreekDog.  Dr. Strange   Jun-22-10 02:24 PM   #90 
           - well, at least now I no longer have to ask that question...  RainDog   Jun-22-10 02:46 PM   #93 
              - Mostly male though:  Dr. Strange   Jun-22-10 02:50 PM   #94 
                 - epic thread n/t  RainDog   Jun-22-10 10:56 PM   #96 
  - According to my opinion, establishments which recieve federal funding or special tax exemptions  ZombieHorde   Jun-22-10 02:07 PM   #86 
  - good  Liberal_in_LA   Jun-22-10 02:22 PM   #89 

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