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Mon Jun-21-10 05:26 AM
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| 66. Which is also why it's said |
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when it comes down to two choices, go with your first answer unless when you go back you have specific reasons against it.
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| -Florida honor students can't graduate because of one test. FCAT determines it all. |
madfloridian |
Jun-20-10 11:06 PM |
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it is entirely nuts, and is a system that needs to be demolished, as soon as possible |
villager |
Jun-20-10 11:09 PM |
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No way for locals to intervene. The test is God. |
madfloridian |
Jun-20-10 11:09 PM |
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children are not widgets |
madrchsod |
Jun-20-10 11:10 PM |
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I've known top educators that have quit education they are so fed up with what |
RKP5637 |
Jun-20-10 11:10 PM |
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How are these students getting good grades if they can't pass a basic test with multiple tries? |
LeftyMom |
Jun-20-10 11:14 PM |
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Oh, these honor students are just plain dumb. Right? |
madfloridian |
Jun-21-10 12:00 AM |
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As the poster below said - taking a test proves you can |
enlightenment |
Jun-21-10 12:17 AM |
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It's not at all uncommon for students to have trouble passing standardized tests |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jun-21-10 12:56 AM |
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Sometimes grades are based on how much a teacher likes you |
ecstatic |
Jun-21-10 09:05 AM |
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I've seen it happen several times. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-21-10 09:13 AM |
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Some students have brain freezes when confronted with standardized testing. |
Gormy Cuss |
Jun-21-10 09:25 AM |
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As a college professor once told me, "tests only prove |
johnaries |
Jun-20-10 11:17 PM |
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It almost makes you wonder why even bother with grades anymore |
bluestateguy |
Jun-20-10 11:18 PM |
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It has been reported that Arne Duncan |
Angry Dragon |
Jun-20-10 11:27 PM |
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Now that is funny. |
madfloridian |
Jun-21-10 12:48 AM |
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This reeks of grade puffery |
Taitertots |
Jun-20-10 11:46 PM |
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Oh c'mon...nobody's going to be an Honor Student solely on grade puffery, |
Ken Burch |
Jun-20-10 11:48 PM |
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There can be both puffery and the need for accountability in the testing |
Taitertots |
Jun-20-10 11:59 PM |
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You're assuming there's nothing weird with the tests. |
Ken Burch |
Jun-21-10 12:02 AM |
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When you argue with one using the words "grade puffery"....you waste your time. |
madfloridian |
Jun-21-10 12:04 AM |
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Yeah, that person is clearly a victim of "thought puffery". |
Ken Burch |
Jun-21-10 12:05 AM |
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Interesting turn of the phrase. |
madfloridian |
Jun-21-10 12:10 AM |
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Good one. |
erodriguez |
Jun-21-10 12:03 PM |
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Your assuming something is weird with the test when the student failed multiple times |
Taitertots |
Jun-21-10 12:17 AM |
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You haven't SEEN the FCAT. |
Ken Burch |
Jun-21-10 12:19 AM |
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Every other person in the graduating class managed to pass it |
Taitertots |
Jun-21-10 12:38 AM |
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You are WAY too invested in proving this kid didn't deserve good grades. |
Ken Burch |
Jun-21-10 12:41 AM |
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So invested that I won't do anything other than post on a message board about it |
Taitertots |
Jun-21-10 02:02 AM |
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How do you know that every other student passed? |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jun-21-10 07:41 AM |
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Everyone who got a diploma passed it n/t |
Taitertots |
Jun-21-10 10:31 AM |
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But is that everyone else in the class? |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jun-21-10 10:51 AM |
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Do you consider people who didn't get diplomas part of the graduating class? n/t |
Taitertots |
Jun-21-10 11:03 AM |
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I consider everyone enrolled in the class to be part of the class |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jun-21-10 12:56 PM |
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No, everyone can know what's on it, just use the Intertubes.. |
snooper2 |
Jun-21-10 09:31 AM |
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I know lots of people who have problems with harder multiple choice tests - because they overthink |
haele |
Jun-21-10 12:18 AM |
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I have a son that read too much into questions. |
madfloridian |
Jun-21-10 12:22 AM |
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Two masters degrees, he must have passed a lot of multiple choice tests |
Taitertots |
Jun-21-10 12:56 AM |
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There are NO FCAT-type tests after high school |
Ken Burch |
Jun-21-10 12:57 AM |
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MCAT, LSAT, GRE, GMAT n/t |
Taitertots |
Jun-21-10 02:25 AM |
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GMAT drove me nuts... |
onpatrol98 |
Jun-21-10 02:51 AM |
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Shit, try taking a CCIE in voice or routing |
snooper2 |
Jun-21-10 09:37 AM |
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All tests that are designed to assess ABILITY - |
enlightenment |
Jun-21-10 01:52 PM |
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A lot of people say that but didn't know the material well enough |
Taitertots |
Jun-21-10 12:29 AM |
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And you can't see that that could have been the case with THIS kid? |
Ken Burch |
Jun-21-10 01:06 AM |
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He didn't know the material well enough and the test was not easy? |
Taitertots |
Jun-21-10 01:17 AM |
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What I meant is, it seems to be really, REALLY important to you to defend the test |
Ken Burch |
Jun-21-10 01:19 AM |
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It is so important that if my computer were across the room I would be doing nothing about it |
Taitertots |
Jun-21-10 01:29 AM |
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It's just hard to credit your loyalty to the testing corporations. |
Ken Burch |
Jun-21-10 01:33 AM |
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That is collusion, not grade puffery |
Taitertots |
Jun-21-10 01:42 AM |
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Two years ago, I got to look over the kidlet's CSAT Standardized test |
haele |
Jun-21-10 01:32 AM |
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Of course, they make the kids go over and over the questions |
Mariana |
Jun-21-10 02:02 AM |
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Which is also why it's said |
BadgerKid |
Jun-21-10 05:26 AM |
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I so disagree. Grades and actions during the years are vital... |
madfloridian |
Jun-20-10 11:50 PM |
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If the kid was AA, this could be the State of Florida doing unto the kid |
Ken Burch |
Jun-21-10 12:04 AM |
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Grades and actions don't matter if they didn't learn the material |
Taitertots |
Jun-21-10 12:09 AM |
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Again, why are you ASSUMING here that the FCAT results |
Ken Burch |
Jun-21-10 12:23 AM |
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They failed multiple chances |
Taitertots |
Jun-21-10 12:50 AM |
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You are just convinced the kid is stupid, and nothing will change your narrow view. |
Ken Burch |
Jun-21-10 12:56 AM |
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Produce the tiniest shred of evidence for discrimination before comparing them to Malcolm X |
Taitertots |
Jun-21-10 01:07 AM |
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The only possible reason I can come up with for your intransigence here |
Ken Burch |
Jun-21-10 01:08 AM |
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As far as I know they have not even released their race |
Taitertots |
Jun-21-10 01:22 AM |
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Why do you assume the tests prove anything at all? |
Ken Burch |
Jun-21-10 01:24 AM |
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They prove the ability to recall and apply what they have learned |
Taitertots |
Jun-21-10 01:47 AM |
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No. Because grades are assigned by actual human beings |
Ken Burch |
Jun-21-10 03:05 AM |
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Tests were created and administered by human beings |
Taitertots |
Jun-21-10 10:27 AM |
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"...but ALL of them?" - yep |
notesdev |
Jun-21-10 02:37 AM |
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Grade puffery? |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jun-21-10 12:47 AM |
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This poster is a perfect example of the Cult of Test Objectivity. |
Odin2005 |
Jun-21-10 08:04 AM |
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Thank you for telling me what I believe, instead of asking me |
Taitertots |
Jun-21-10 10:41 AM |
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Precisely what leads you to that conclusion? |
LanternWaste |
Jun-21-10 11:59 AM |
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The whole "the test is what matters" thing is based on the ludicrous belief |
Ken Burch |
Jun-20-10 11:47 PM |
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Tonight I learned that pride in good work and grades is "grade puffery." |
madfloridian |
Jun-21-10 12:02 AM |
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To clarify to those who love the words "grade puffery"....honor students |
madfloridian |
Jun-21-10 12:14 AM |
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It's all about the Obama administration taking it out on students and teachers everywhere |
Ken Burch |
Jun-21-10 12:18 AM |
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OK, |
minavasht |
Jun-21-10 12:23 AM |
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Oh, yeh, buddy. Keep all those honor students out of college. |
madfloridian |
Jun-21-10 12:26 AM |
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Why are so many posters part of the "Cult of The Test"? |
Ken Burch |
Jun-21-10 12:31 AM |
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Here |
minavasht |
Jun-21-10 11:23 AM |
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Get real? |
madfloridian |
Jun-21-10 12:03 PM |
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These are the problems |
minavasht |
Jun-21-10 12:13 PM |
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Stunning... |
madfloridian |
Jun-21-10 01:05 PM |
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Most of the time in college, you don't take STANDARDIZED tests. |
Ken Burch |
Jun-21-10 12:30 AM |
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Good point. |
madfloridian |
Jun-21-10 12:42 AM |
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much of the time you DO take standardized or group tests if it's important |
pitohui |
Jun-21-10 10:49 AM |
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I recall the 'test teaching sessions' when we were all forced to stop learning |
jp11 |
Jun-21-10 01:05 AM |
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Yep. We had to quit teaching Science and Social Studies in January |
rucky |
Jun-21-10 01:37 AM |
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I taught in that FCAT madness. |
mfcorey1 |
Jun-21-10 03:19 AM |
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Last time I checked getting into college requires scoring well on another standardized test : SAT. |
Statistical |
Jun-21-10 07:58 AM |
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some people hate standardized testing |
Johonny |
Jun-21-10 10:20 AM |
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I hope none of the teachers defending these kids teach statistics. |
Bill McBlueState |
Jun-21-10 08:12 AM |
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S/he may be horrible with taking tests... or s/he may not know the material |
ecstatic |
Jun-21-10 09:16 AM |
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There are many things wrong with the test. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-21-10 09:18 AM |
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see, that's the misconception I knew people would have |
Bill McBlueState |
Jun-21-10 09:32 AM |
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Your sample would be biased |
Taitertots |
Jun-21-10 10:57 AM |
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It depends on the test--the ACT does well in that comparison. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-21-10 12:28 PM |
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How are they honor students if they can't pass this test? |
Tailormyst |
Jun-21-10 08:15 AM |
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Check my post 77...everything is one the intertubes... |
snooper2 |
Jun-21-10 09:42 AM |
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Thank you so much for posting that. |
Tailormyst |
Jun-21-10 10:59 AM |
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I think it's because... |
LanternWaste |
Jun-21-10 12:02 PM |
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To conclude...too many in this thread discount a student's school career |
madfloridian |
Jun-21-10 09:45 AM |
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the young man didn't bother w. all the essays, homework, classes in the first case |
pitohui |
Jun-21-10 10:54 AM |
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How pathetic this discussion board has become so dismissive... |
madfloridian |
Jun-21-10 10:59 AM |
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I am a teacher, and I call b.s. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-21-10 12:40 PM |
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"honor" students who can't pass a simple multiple choice test --educational fraud |
pitohui |
Jun-21-10 10:40 AM |
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It's not a simple test. Take a look at one. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-21-10 12:33 PM |
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Not new |
zipplewrath |
Jun-21-10 10:58 AM |
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Education for profit |
hapkidogal |
Jun-21-10 11:49 AM |
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The biggest problem which I have as a FL parent |
Dappleganger |
Jun-21-10 12:15 PM |
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Well, it's not like the FCAT is culturally biased or anything |
KamaAina |
Jun-21-10 12:51 PM |
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The United States is increasinly getting into a exam-focused country. |
Jkid |
Jun-21-10 01:17 PM |
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