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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 12:05 AM
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19. Yeah, that person is clearly a victim of "thought puffery".
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  -Florida honor students can't graduate because of one test. FCAT determines it all. madfloridian  Jun-20-10 11:06 PM   #0 
  - it is entirely nuts, and is a system that needs to be demolished, as soon as possible  villager   Jun-20-10 11:09 PM   #1 
  - No way for locals to intervene. The test is God.  madfloridian   Jun-20-10 11:09 PM   #2 
  - children are not widgets  madrchsod   Jun-20-10 11:10 PM   #3 
  - I've known top educators that have quit education they are so fed up with what  RKP5637   Jun-20-10 11:10 PM   #4 
  - How are these students getting good grades if they can't pass a basic test with multiple tries?  LeftyMom   Jun-20-10 11:14 PM   #5 
  - Oh, these honor students are just plain dumb. Right?  madfloridian   Jun-21-10 12:00 AM   #14 
  - As the poster below said - taking a test proves you can  enlightenment   Jun-21-10 12:17 AM   #23 
  - It's not at all uncommon for students to have trouble passing standardized tests  proud2BlibKansan   Jun-21-10 12:56 AM   #43 
  - Sometimes grades are based on how much a teacher likes you  ecstatic   Jun-21-10 09:05 AM   #72 
  - I've seen it happen several times.  knitter4democracy   Jun-21-10 09:13 AM   #73 
  - Some students have brain freezes when confronted with standardized testing.  Gormy Cuss   Jun-21-10 09:25 AM   #76 
  - As a college professor once told me, "tests only prove  johnaries   Jun-20-10 11:17 PM   #6 
  - It almost makes you wonder why even bother with grades anymore  bluestateguy   Jun-20-10 11:18 PM   #7 
  - It has been reported that Arne Duncan  Angry Dragon   Jun-20-10 11:27 PM   #8 
  - Now that is funny.  madfloridian   Jun-21-10 12:48 AM   #39 
  - This reeks of grade puffery  Taitertots   Jun-20-10 11:46 PM   #9 
  - Oh c'mon...nobody's going to be an Honor Student solely on grade puffery,  Ken Burch   Jun-20-10 11:48 PM   #11 
  - There can be both puffery and the need for accountability in the testing  Taitertots   Jun-20-10 11:59 PM   #13 
     - You're assuming there's nothing weird with the tests.  Ken Burch   Jun-21-10 12:02 AM   #16 
     - When you argue with one using the words "grade puffery"....you waste your time.  madfloridian   Jun-21-10 12:04 AM   #17 
     - Yeah, that person is clearly a victim of "thought puffery".  Ken Burch   Jun-21-10 12:05 AM   #19 
        - Interesting turn of the phrase.  madfloridian   Jun-21-10 12:10 AM   #21 
        - Good one.  erodriguez   Jun-21-10 12:03 PM   #100 
     - Your assuming something is weird with the test when the student failed multiple times  Taitertots   Jun-21-10 12:17 AM   #24 
        - You haven't SEEN the FCAT.  Ken Burch   Jun-21-10 12:19 AM   #27 
           - Every other person in the graduating class managed to pass it  Taitertots   Jun-21-10 12:38 AM   #35 
           - You are WAY too invested in proving this kid didn't deserve good grades.  Ken Burch   Jun-21-10 12:41 AM   #36 
           - So invested that I won't do anything other than post on a message board about it  Taitertots   Jun-21-10 02:02 AM   #60 
           - How do you know that every other student passed?  proud2BlibKansan   Jun-21-10 07:41 AM   #67 
              - Everyone who got a diploma passed it n/t  Taitertots   Jun-21-10 10:31 AM   #84 
                 - But is that everyone else in the class?  proud2BlibKansan   Jun-21-10 10:51 AM   #88 
                    - Do you consider people who didn't get diplomas part of the graduating class? n/t  Taitertots   Jun-21-10 11:03 AM   #94 
                       - I consider everyone enrolled in the class to be part of the class  proud2BlibKansan   Jun-21-10 12:56 PM   #107 
           - No, everyone can know what's on it, just use the Intertubes..  snooper2   Jun-21-10 09:31 AM   #77 
     - I know lots of people who have problems with harder multiple choice tests - because they overthink  haele   Jun-21-10 12:18 AM   #25 
        - I have a son that read too much into questions.  madfloridian   Jun-21-10 12:22 AM   #28 
        - Two masters degrees, he must have passed a lot of multiple choice tests  Taitertots   Jun-21-10 12:56 AM   #42 
           - There are NO FCAT-type tests after high school  Ken Burch   Jun-21-10 12:57 AM   #44 
              - MCAT, LSAT, GRE, GMAT n/t  Taitertots   Jun-21-10 02:25 AM   #61 
                 - GMAT drove me nuts...  onpatrol98   Jun-21-10 02:51 AM   #63 
                 - Shit, try taking a CCIE in voice or routing  snooper2   Jun-21-10 09:37 AM   #79 
                 - All tests that are designed to assess ABILITY -  enlightenment   Jun-21-10 01:52 PM   #110 
        - A lot of people say that but didn't know the material well enough  Taitertots   Jun-21-10 12:29 AM   #32 
        - And you can't see that that could have been the case with THIS kid?  Ken Burch   Jun-21-10 01:06 AM   #46 
        - He didn't know the material well enough and the test was not easy?  Taitertots   Jun-21-10 01:17 AM   #49 
           - What I meant is, it seems to be really, REALLY important to you to defend the test  Ken Burch   Jun-21-10 01:19 AM   #50 
              - It is so important that if my computer were across the room I would be doing nothing about it  Taitertots   Jun-21-10 01:29 AM   #53 
                 - It's just hard to credit your loyalty to the testing corporations.  Ken Burch   Jun-21-10 01:33 AM   #55 
                    - That is collusion, not grade puffery  Taitertots   Jun-21-10 01:42 AM   #57 
        - Two years ago, I got to look over the kidlet's CSAT Standardized test  haele   Jun-21-10 01:32 AM   #54 
        - Of course, they make the kids go over and over the questions  Mariana   Jun-21-10 02:02 AM   #59 
           - Which is also why it's said  BadgerKid   Jun-21-10 05:26 AM   #66 
  - I so disagree. Grades and actions during the years are vital...  madfloridian   Jun-20-10 11:50 PM   #12 
  - If the kid was AA, this could be the State of Florida doing unto the kid  Ken Burch   Jun-21-10 12:04 AM   #18 
  - Grades and actions don't matter if they didn't learn the material  Taitertots   Jun-21-10 12:09 AM   #20 
     - Again, why are you ASSUMING here that the FCAT results  Ken Burch   Jun-21-10 12:23 AM   #30 
        - They failed multiple chances  Taitertots   Jun-21-10 12:50 AM   #40 
        - You are just convinced the kid is stupid, and nothing will change your narrow view.  Ken Burch   Jun-21-10 12:56 AM   #41 
           - Produce the tiniest shred of evidence for discrimination before comparing them to Malcolm X  Taitertots   Jun-21-10 01:07 AM   #47 
              - The only possible reason I can come up with for your intransigence here  Ken Burch   Jun-21-10 01:08 AM   #48 
                 - As far as I know they have not even released their race  Taitertots   Jun-21-10 01:22 AM   #51 
                    - Why do you assume the tests prove anything at all?  Ken Burch   Jun-21-10 01:24 AM   #52 
                       - They prove the ability to recall and apply what they have learned  Taitertots   Jun-21-10 01:47 AM   #58 
                          - No. Because grades are assigned by actual human beings  Ken Burch   Jun-21-10 03:05 AM   #64 
                             - Tests were created and administered by human beings  Taitertots   Jun-21-10 10:27 AM   #83 
        - "...but ALL of them?" - yep  notesdev   Jun-21-10 02:37 AM   #62 
  - Grade puffery?  proud2BlibKansan   Jun-21-10 12:47 AM   #38 
  - This poster is a perfect example of the Cult of Test Objectivity.  Odin2005   Jun-21-10 08:04 AM   #69 
  - Thank you for telling me what I believe, instead of asking me  Taitertots   Jun-21-10 10:41 AM   #86 
  - Precisely what leads you to that conclusion?  LanternWaste   Jun-21-10 11:59 AM   #97 
  - The whole "the test is what matters" thing is based on the ludicrous belief  Ken Burch   Jun-20-10 11:47 PM   #10 
  - Tonight I learned that pride in good work and grades is "grade puffery."  madfloridian   Jun-21-10 12:02 AM   #15 
  - To clarify to those who love the words "grade puffery"....honor students  madfloridian   Jun-21-10 12:14 AM   #22 
  - It's all about the Obama administration taking it out on students and teachers everywhere  Ken Burch   Jun-21-10 12:18 AM   #26 
  - OK,  minavasht   Jun-21-10 12:23 AM   #29 
  - Oh, yeh, buddy. Keep all those honor students out of college.  madfloridian   Jun-21-10 12:26 AM   #31 
  - Why are so many posters part of the "Cult of The Test"?  Ken Burch   Jun-21-10 12:31 AM   #34 
  - Here  minavasht   Jun-21-10 11:23 AM   #95 
     - Get real?  madfloridian   Jun-21-10 12:03 PM   #99 
        - These are the problems  minavasht   Jun-21-10 12:13 PM   #101 
           - Stunning...  madfloridian   Jun-21-10 01:05 PM   #108 
  - Most of the time in college, you don't take STANDARDIZED tests.  Ken Burch   Jun-21-10 12:30 AM   #33 
     - Good point.  madfloridian   Jun-21-10 12:42 AM   #37 
     - much of the time you DO take standardized or group tests if it's important  pitohui   Jun-21-10 10:49 AM   #87 
  - I recall the 'test teaching sessions' when we were all forced to stop learning  jp11   Jun-21-10 01:05 AM   #45 
  - Yep. We had to quit teaching Science and Social Studies in January  rucky   Jun-21-10 01:37 AM   #56 
  - I taught in that FCAT madness.  mfcorey1   Jun-21-10 03:19 AM   #65 
  - Last time I checked getting into college requires scoring well on another standardized test : SAT.  Statistical   Jun-21-10 07:58 AM   #68 
  - some people hate standardized testing  Johonny   Jun-21-10 10:20 AM   #82 
  - I hope none of the teachers defending these kids teach statistics.  Bill McBlueState   Jun-21-10 08:12 AM   #70 
  - S/he may be horrible with taking tests... or s/he may not know the material  ecstatic   Jun-21-10 09:16 AM   #74 
  - There are many things wrong with the test.  knitter4democracy   Jun-21-10 09:18 AM   #75 
     - see, that's the misconception I knew people would have  Bill McBlueState   Jun-21-10 09:32 AM   #78 
        - Your sample would be biased  Taitertots   Jun-21-10 10:57 AM   #90 
        - It depends on the test--the ACT does well in that comparison.  knitter4democracy   Jun-21-10 12:28 PM   #103 
  - How are they honor students if they can't pass this test?  Tailormyst   Jun-21-10 08:15 AM   #71 
  - Check my post 77...everything is one the intertubes...  snooper2   Jun-21-10 09:42 AM   #80 
     - Thank you so much for posting that.  Tailormyst   Jun-21-10 10:59 AM   #93 
        - I think it's because...  LanternWaste   Jun-21-10 12:02 PM   #98 
  - To conclude...too many in this thread discount a student's school career  madfloridian   Jun-21-10 09:45 AM   #81 
  - the young man didn't bother w. all the essays, homework, classes in the first case  pitohui   Jun-21-10 10:54 AM   #89 
     - How pathetic this discussion board has become so dismissive...  madfloridian   Jun-21-10 10:59 AM   #92 
     - I am a teacher, and I call b.s.  knitter4democracy   Jun-21-10 12:40 PM   #105 
  - "honor" students who can't pass a simple multiple choice test --educational fraud  pitohui   Jun-21-10 10:40 AM   #85 
  - It's not a simple test. Take a look at one.  knitter4democracy   Jun-21-10 12:33 PM   #104 
  - Not new  zipplewrath   Jun-21-10 10:58 AM   #91 
  - Education for profit  hapkidogal   Jun-21-10 11:49 AM   #96 
  - The biggest problem which I have as a FL parent  Dappleganger   Jun-21-10 12:15 PM   #102 
  - Well, it's not like the FCAT is culturally biased or anything  KamaAina   Jun-21-10 12:51 PM   #106 
  - The United States is increasinly getting into a exam-focused country.  Jkid   Jun-21-10 01:17 PM   #109 
 

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