Ken Burch
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Sat Jun-19-10 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #99 |
| 100. I get it that a murderer did a terrible thing and deserves punishment |
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Edited on Sat Jun-19-10 07:03 PM by Ken Burch
Life in prison without the possibility of parole is punishment enough in such cases.
But my own belief(and that of a lot of other people)is that it's simply wrong for the state to kill people.
Nothing in THAT belief equates to having a soft spot for killers.
Plus, sometimes they do execute the innocent, you know. Like Ethel Rosenberg.
Why would you NOT think there's something warped in a person volunteering to help kill another person?
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| -The executioners all volunteered for the job |
WileEcoyote |
Jun-18-10 03:59 AM |
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Sick fucks. No better than the man they are murdering. |
Luminous Animal |
Jun-18-10 04:03 AM |
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Agreed. They got to satify thier bloodlust. |
Xenotime |
Jun-18-10 11:18 AM |
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The only people worse are the ones who show up outside the prison |
Ken Burch |
Jun-19-10 05:01 AM |
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Exactly what my Stepson said last evening |
madokie |
Jun-19-10 07:15 AM |
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Your stepson is mistaken. Murder is a legal conclusion. It is |
liquid diamond |
Jun-19-10 01:53 PM |
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Isn't that a mortal sin? |
Prometheus Bound |
Jun-18-10 04:06 AM |
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Depends upon the religion. |
GreenStormCloud |
Jun-18-10 04:11 PM |
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Mormonism has some ideas about "blood atonement.' |
nemo137 |
Jun-19-10 04:51 AM |
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It may have been the only way they could stop music critics from wasting the Osmonds |
Ken Burch |
Jun-19-10 05:03 AM |
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I suppose better than being assigned to an odious task that one doesn't believe in |
depakid |
Jun-18-10 04:14 AM |
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I'm pretty sure |
Abq_Sarah |
Jun-18-10 03:03 PM |
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and yet they are paid in cash for their action. |
Bluerthanblue |
Jun-18-10 03:10 PM |
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Wonder if any of those coins have ever turned up |
Ken Burch |
Jun-19-10 05:04 AM |
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Plenty of DUers would volunteer ... |
JustABozoOnThisBus |
Jun-18-10 04:44 AM |
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+1 |
Fumesucker |
Jun-18-10 04:53 AM |
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or the right person |
Fla_Democrat |
Jun-18-10 10:16 AM |
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Hey - Don't gang up on those priests. |
cliffordu |
Jun-18-10 10:19 AM |
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In A Situation Like That, You Don't Notice The Recoil. (n/t) |
Paladin |
Jun-18-10 12:09 PM |
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Hell, just saying that someone did that would be enough for those DUers |
WolverineDG |
Jun-18-10 12:14 PM |
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I have no problem doing it. |
951-Riverside |
Jun-18-10 02:23 PM |
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killing in a war is still killing- |
Bluerthanblue |
Jun-18-10 02:47 PM |
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Its compassion if you know you are the best marksman |
stray cat |
Jun-18-10 07:50 AM |
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For those who are interested |
michreject |
Jun-18-10 04:00 PM |
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thou shalt not kill....no asteriks |
spanone |
Jun-18-10 08:02 AM |
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As I understand it is more along the line of "murder" not kill |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jun-18-10 09:46 AM |
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actually, the hebrew word "Ratsach" to intentionally kill, |
Bluerthanblue |
Jun-18-10 01:20 PM |
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so killing is okie dokie? i can kill you but i can't murder you...alriiiiight |
spanone |
Jun-18-10 04:30 PM |
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The bible never specifies what you shall not kill |
951-Riverside |
Jun-18-10 02:14 PM |
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i do |
spanone |
Jun-18-10 04:31 PM |
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Yea, god really lived up to that commandment, didn't he? |
Dark |
Jun-18-10 02:32 PM |
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ah but, did 'he' really? the very first murder in the bible- |
Bluerthanblue |
Jun-18-10 03:08 PM |
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Yep, god told his people to slaughter men, women, and children - leaving NOBODY alive |
Hugabear |
Jun-19-10 09:40 PM |
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As I recall |
Wildewolfe |
Jun-18-10 04:13 PM |
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you very funny |
spanone |
Jun-18-10 04:31 PM |
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Here are the references |
Wildewolfe |
Jun-18-10 04:47 PM |
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But this commandment from the OT is only valid if one believes in the |
Obamanaut |
Jun-18-10 04:54 PM |
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There are *'s, even in buddhism, when it comes to killing (nt) |
The Straight Story |
Jun-18-10 10:26 PM |
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Read further |
Styxiv |
Jun-21-10 08:54 PM |
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and were given "commemorative coins" for their 'service'.... |
Bluerthanblue |
Jun-18-10 08:17 AM |
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Volunteered... Commerative Coins... |
MattBaggins |
Jun-18-10 08:50 AM |
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So that they won't carve notches in the stock of the rifles. |
lpbk2713 |
Jun-18-10 11:03 AM |
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It makes a lot more sense to me to have tools of the state do it instead of doctors. |
Brickbat |
Jun-18-10 08:37 AM |
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Did they draw straws to see who gets to put the head on their wall? |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jun-18-10 10:06 AM |
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BTW, if you read the article - Gardner asked for firing squad over lethal injection |
LynneSin |
Jun-18-10 10:20 AM |
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Yeah, that's the thing: He requested this method. |
Withywindle |
Jun-19-10 12:11 AM |
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IF I had a choice, I'd rather have the firing squad than lethal injection |
WeDidIt |
Jun-19-10 09:48 PM |
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I wouldn't want to live in the same house with any of them. |
hunter |
Jun-18-10 10:39 AM |
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When ya think about it its almost better that some dumb cops shot the bastard |
WileEcoyote |
Jun-18-10 10:44 AM |
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Why "dumb"? What the hell is that supposed to mean? |
salguine |
Jun-19-10 12:36 AM |
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Yeah, those sick bastards killing that poor innocent man. |
edbermac |
Jun-18-10 10:54 AM |
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He wasn't innocent. |
Bill McBlueState |
Jun-18-10 11:23 AM |
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no one says what Gardner did is ok- but doing the same thing |
Bluerthanblue |
Jun-18-10 01:25 PM |
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That bastard Gardner was so violent he had to be kept segregated |
Ilsa |
Jun-18-10 03:39 PM |
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I suppose the alternative is "Hey you!" duty |
Nuclear Unicorn |
Jun-18-10 11:08 AM |
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It's their once-in-a-lifetime chance to hunt the "Ultimate Animal." |
KansDem |
Jun-18-10 01:28 PM |
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Jun-18-10 02:11 PM |
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You're forgetting this is Utah. |
KonaKane |
Jun-18-10 02:14 PM |
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You're also forgetting the man they shot |
jmowreader |
Jun-18-10 04:28 PM |
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"some people just need shootin'" |
Bluerthanblue |
Jun-18-10 04:44 PM |
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"Some peoople just need shootin'" |
Raineyb |
Jun-19-10 12:19 AM |
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I know well who Mr Gardner was. I was a Utah resident when all that happened. |
KonaKane |
Jun-19-10 07:55 PM |
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That is VERY disturbing. |
jesus_of_suburbia |
Jun-18-10 02:35 PM |
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Having a blank fools no one. Too many people get their gun info from movies. |
GreenStormCloud |
Jun-18-10 04:09 PM |
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I don't recall where I heard it, but |
sir pball |
Jun-18-10 05:57 PM |
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A wax bullet wouldn't work as it is much lighter than lead, so much less recoil. |
GreenStormCloud |
Jun-18-10 11:03 PM |
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You're Wrong. |
Paladin |
Jun-19-10 07:48 AM |
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Shooting in a firing squad would be markedly different. |
GreenStormCloud |
Jun-19-10 09:42 PM |
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And I Stand By My Belief That You're Wrong. |
Paladin |
Jun-21-10 08:31 PM |
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We know who the Gulf of Mexico's executioners are. But the paid prison killers are anonymous. |
AnArmyVeteran |
Jun-18-10 04:13 PM |
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We must kill in the name of murder. |
Rex |
Jun-18-10 04:46 PM |
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or |
Bluerthanblue |
Jun-18-10 04:52 PM |
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Mercy and forgiveness require higher brain functions |
Rex |
Jun-18-10 05:11 PM |
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Poppycock. |
frustrated_lefty |
Jun-18-10 11:46 PM |
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The American dream is to kill some random person legally |
ironic name |
Jun-18-10 04:56 PM |
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But there was nothing random about killing Mr. Gardner |
jmowreader |
Jun-19-10 09:36 PM |
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I'm in the minority, but some crimes warrant the death penalty. |
frustrated_lefty |
Jun-18-10 05:04 PM |
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Gardner asked not to be killed, but |
Bluerthanblue |
Jun-18-10 06:15 PM |
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You are a very polite person. |
frustrated_lefty |
Jun-18-10 08:30 PM |
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I hate to admit this, but... |
pipi_k |
Jun-18-10 09:21 PM |
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It amazes me that some people here believe that NO crime |
liquid diamond |
Jun-19-10 01:57 PM |
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In 15 states, NO crimes warrant the death penalty |
Bill McBlueState |
Jun-18-10 09:32 PM |
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If you think things are just fine in Philly or Cambridge, |
frustrated_lefty |
Jun-18-10 11:38 PM |
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If you think the death penalty will fix what's wrong with those places then I'd say YOU are the one |
Raineyb |
Jun-19-10 12:20 AM |
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ooh, so snarky. n/t |
Bill McBlueState |
Jun-19-10 07:09 AM |
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It would be better not to have a death penalty, yes, but... |
pipi_k |
Jun-18-10 09:17 PM |
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They volunteered. |
frustrated_lefty |
Jun-18-10 11:39 PM |
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So we have sick fucks shooting another sick fuck but without sanction. |
Raineyb |
Jun-19-10 12:21 AM |
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Without sanction? |
frustrated_lefty |
Jun-19-10 04:30 AM |
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That's why late night posting is bad. I meant with sanction. |
Raineyb |
Jun-19-10 10:25 AM |
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They're sanctioned by the state. n/t |
pipi_k |
Jun-19-10 10:22 AM |
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Yes, they did |
pipi_k |
Jun-19-10 10:20 AM |
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That's the only solution if no one volunteered? Force? Really? |
Pithlet |
Jun-19-10 05:48 PM |
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And they're responsible for ending his punishment and suffering. |
flvegan |
Jun-18-10 09:34 PM |
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It's all sick. n/t |
scrubthedata |
Jun-18-10 10:33 PM |
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Jun-18-10 11:15 PM |
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You pity executioners? |
Ken Burch |
Jun-19-10 05:05 AM |
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Embrace the stereotypes if you will. |
proteus_lives |
Jun-19-10 01:41 PM |
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I still don't get it |
Ken Burch |
Jun-19-10 05:41 PM |
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I still don't get it. |
proteus_lives |
Jun-19-10 06:54 PM |
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I get it that a murderer did a terrible thing and deserves punishment |
Ken Burch |
Jun-19-10 07:01 PM |
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"Plus, sometimes they do execute the innocent" |
proteus_lives |
Jun-19-10 07:52 PM |
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Apparently you believe in the death penalty. |
Ken Burch |
Jun-19-10 08:03 PM |
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" was speaking specifically about the idea of VOLUNTEERING to inflict it" |
proteus_lives |
Jun-19-10 09:09 PM |
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Saying "inflict it" doesn't mean negating the crime that resulted in the death sentence |
Ken Burch |
Jun-19-10 09:25 PM |
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And some places don't have the death penalty. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jun-21-10 08:24 PM |
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Empty insults are empty. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jun-21-10 04:45 PM |
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Sick fucks indeed. n/t |
Lucian |
Jun-19-10 12:14 AM |
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i've always been baffled by the whole "one rifle has a |
salguine |
Jun-19-10 12:34 AM |
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Families of the executioners? Human capacity for self-deception? |
nemo137 |
Jun-19-10 04:57 AM |
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I believe it began as a way to ensure "reasonable doubt" |
Bluerthanblue |
Jun-19-10 03:37 PM |
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According to the article in our mornings paper, Tulsa World. |
madokie |
Jun-19-10 07:14 AM |
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I hope they have nightmares about what they have done. |
jennijohnson |
Jun-19-10 09:21 AM |
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Well they probably won't, seeing as how they volunteered. |
pipi_k |
Jun-19-10 10:27 AM |
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In this case they don't HAVE nightmares, they ARE nightmares. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jun-21-10 04:44 PM |
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That's OK as long as you're aware of the fact that... |
pipi_k |
Jun-21-10 09:04 PM |
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In this particular case? I could have easily volunteered |
WeDidIt |
Jun-19-10 09:58 PM |
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We know it. -nt |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jun-21-10 04:50 PM |
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I'm Glad I'm Not You. (n/t) |
Paladin |
Jun-21-10 08:32 PM |
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"Utah and all of that dumb redneck shit." - Nice. I've known a lot of good folks from Utah. |
apocalypsehow |
Jun-21-10 08:29 PM |
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makes my skin crawl... |
hlthe2b |
Jun-21-10 08:58 PM |
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Actually no so |
Styxiv |
Jun-21-10 08:59 PM |
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No different than setting a rat trap. |
MrSlayer |
Jun-21-10 09:24 PM |
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