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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 09:17 PM
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59. It would be better not to have a death penalty, yes, but...
it exists in the state of Utah.

What's supposed to happen? People who don't want to shoot somebody are going to be forced to do it?

I personally would not want to be traumatized that way. Yeah, I could probably tell myself the rest of my days that MY gun wasn't the one that killed another human being, but I don't think that would work. I know I would suffer nightmares and damaging guilt. Probably forever.

It's bad enough that a person has to be executed, but why make 4 people suffer the rest of their days wondering if they had killed someone if they really didn't want to?

Yeah, the DP sucks. But if there must be a death penalty, I think it's better that the person/people who carry it out volunteer, and aren't being forced to do it.
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  -The executioners all volunteered for the job WileEcoyote  Jun-18-10 03:59 AM   #0 
  - Sick fucks. No better than the man they are murdering.  Luminous Animal   Jun-18-10 04:03 AM   #1 
  - Agreed. They got to satify thier bloodlust.  Xenotime   Jun-18-10 11:18 AM   #21 
  - The only people worse are the ones who show up outside the prison  Ken Burch   Jun-19-10 05:01 AM   #80 
  - Exactly what my Stepson said last evening  madokie   Jun-19-10 07:15 AM   #86 
     - Your stepson is mistaken. Murder is a legal conclusion. It is  liquid diamond   Jun-19-10 01:53 PM   #94 
  - Isn't that a mortal sin?  Prometheus Bound   Jun-18-10 04:06 AM   #2 
  - Depends upon the religion.  GreenStormCloud   Jun-18-10 04:11 PM   #41 
  - Mormonism has some ideas about "blood atonement.'  nemo137   Jun-19-10 04:51 AM   #78 
     - It may have been the only way they could stop music critics from wasting the Osmonds  Ken Burch   Jun-19-10 05:03 AM   #81 
  - I suppose better than being assigned to an odious task that one doesn't believe in  depakid   Jun-18-10 04:14 AM   #3 
  - I'm pretty sure  Abq_Sarah   Jun-18-10 03:03 PM   #35 
     - and yet they are paid in cash for their action.  Bluerthanblue   Jun-18-10 03:10 PM   #37 
        - Wonder if any of those coins have ever turned up  Ken Burch   Jun-19-10 05:04 AM   #82 
  - Plenty of DUers would volunteer ...  JustABozoOnThisBus   Jun-18-10 04:44 AM   #4 
  - +1  Fumesucker   Jun-18-10 04:53 AM   #5 
  - or the right person  Fla_Democrat   Jun-18-10 10:16 AM   #13 
  - Hey - Don't gang up on those priests.  cliffordu   Jun-18-10 10:19 AM   #14 
  - In A Situation Like That, You Don't Notice The Recoil. (n/t)  Paladin   Jun-18-10 12:09 PM   #23 
  - Hell, just saying that someone did that would be enough for those DUers  WolverineDG   Jun-18-10 12:14 PM   #24 
  - I have no problem doing it.  951-Riverside   Jun-18-10 02:23 PM   #31 
     - killing in a war is still killing-  Bluerthanblue   Jun-18-10 02:47 PM   #34 
  - Its compassion if you know you are the best marksman  stray cat   Jun-18-10 07:50 AM   #6 
  - For those who are interested  michreject   Jun-18-10 04:00 PM   #39 
  - thou shalt not asteriks  spanone   Jun-18-10 08:02 AM   #7 
  - As I understand it is more along the line of "murder" not kill  ProgressiveProfessor   Jun-18-10 09:46 AM   #11 
  - actually, the hebrew word "Ratsach" to intentionally kill,  Bluerthanblue   Jun-18-10 01:20 PM   #25 
  - so killing is okie dokie? i can kill you but i can't murder you...alriiiiight  spanone   Jun-18-10 04:30 PM   #45 
  - The bible never specifies what you shall not kill  951-Riverside   Jun-18-10 02:14 PM   #29 
  - i do  spanone   Jun-18-10 04:31 PM   #46 
  - Yea, god really lived up to that commandment, didn't he?  Dark   Jun-18-10 02:32 PM   #32 
  - ah but, did 'he' really? the very first murder in the bible-  Bluerthanblue   Jun-18-10 03:08 PM   #36 
  - Yep, god told his people to slaughter men, women, and children - leaving NOBODY alive  Hugabear   Jun-19-10 09:40 PM   #107 
  - As I recall  Wildewolfe   Jun-18-10 04:13 PM   #42 
  - you very funny  spanone   Jun-18-10 04:31 PM   #47 
     - Here are the references  Wildewolfe   Jun-18-10 04:47 PM   #50 
  - But this commandment from the OT is only valid if one believes in the  Obamanaut   Jun-18-10 04:54 PM   #52 
  - There are *'s, even in buddhism, when it comes to killing (nt)  The Straight Story   Jun-18-10 10:26 PM   #63 
  - Read further  Styxiv   Jun-21-10 08:54 PM   #118 
  - and were given "commemorative coins" for their 'service'....  Bluerthanblue   Jun-18-10 08:17 AM   #8 
  - Volunteered... Commerative Coins...  MattBaggins   Jun-18-10 08:50 AM   #10 
  - So that they won't carve notches in the stock of the rifles.  lpbk2713   Jun-18-10 11:03 AM   #19 
  - It makes a lot more sense to me to have tools of the state do it instead of doctors.  Brickbat   Jun-18-10 08:37 AM   #9 
  - Did they draw straws to see who gets to put the head on their wall?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jun-18-10 10:06 AM   #12 
  - BTW, if you read the article - Gardner asked for firing squad over lethal injection  LynneSin   Jun-18-10 10:20 AM   #15 
  - Yeah, that's the thing: He requested this method.  Withywindle   Jun-19-10 12:11 AM   #70 
  - IF I had a choice, I'd rather have the firing squad than lethal injection  WeDidIt   Jun-19-10 09:48 PM   #109 
  - I wouldn't want to live in the same house with any of them.  hunter   Jun-18-10 10:39 AM   #16 
  - When ya think about it its almost better that some dumb cops shot the bastard  WileEcoyote   Jun-18-10 10:44 AM   #17 
  - Why "dumb"? What the hell is that supposed to mean?  salguine   Jun-19-10 12:36 AM   #76 
  - Yeah, those sick bastards killing that poor innocent man.  edbermac   Jun-18-10 10:54 AM   #18 
  - He wasn't innocent.  Bill McBlueState   Jun-18-10 11:23 AM   #22 
  - no one says what Gardner did is ok- but doing the same thing  Bluerthanblue   Jun-18-10 01:25 PM   #26 
  - That bastard Gardner was so violent he had to be kept segregated  Ilsa   Jun-18-10 03:39 PM   #38 
  - I suppose the alternative is "Hey you!" duty  Nuclear Unicorn   Jun-18-10 11:08 AM   #20 
  - It's their once-in-a-lifetime chance to hunt the "Ultimate Animal."  KansDem   Jun-18-10 01:28 PM   #27 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-18-10 02:11 PM   #28 
  - You're forgetting this is Utah.  KonaKane   Jun-18-10 02:14 PM   #30 
  - You're also forgetting the man they shot  jmowreader   Jun-18-10 04:28 PM   #44 
     - "some people just need shootin'"  Bluerthanblue   Jun-18-10 04:44 PM   #48 
     - "Some peoople just need shootin'"  Raineyb   Jun-19-10 12:19 AM   #72 
     - I know well who Mr Gardner was. I was a Utah resident when all that happened.  KonaKane   Jun-19-10 07:55 PM   #102 
  - That is VERY disturbing.  jesus_of_suburbia   Jun-18-10 02:35 PM   #33 
  - Having a blank fools no one. Too many people get their gun info from movies.  GreenStormCloud   Jun-18-10 04:09 PM   #40 
  - I don't recall where I heard it, but  sir pball   Jun-18-10 05:57 PM   #56 
  - A wax bullet wouldn't work as it is much lighter than lead, so much less recoil.  GreenStormCloud   Jun-18-10 11:03 PM   #65 
  - You're Wrong.  Paladin   Jun-19-10 07:48 AM   #87 
     - Shooting in a firing squad would be markedly different.  GreenStormCloud   Jun-19-10 09:42 PM   #108 
        - And I Stand By My Belief That You're Wrong.  Paladin   Jun-21-10 08:31 PM   #116 
  - We know who the Gulf of Mexico's executioners are. But the paid prison killers are anonymous.  AnArmyVeteran   Jun-18-10 04:13 PM   #43 
  - We must kill in the name of murder.  Rex   Jun-18-10 04:46 PM   #49 
  - or  Bluerthanblue   Jun-18-10 04:52 PM   #51 
  - Mercy and forgiveness require higher brain functions  Rex   Jun-18-10 05:11 PM   #55 
  - Poppycock.  frustrated_lefty   Jun-18-10 11:46 PM   #69 
  - The American dream is to kill some random person legally  ironic name   Jun-18-10 04:56 PM   #53 
  - But there was nothing random about killing Mr. Gardner  jmowreader   Jun-19-10 09:36 PM   #106 
  - I'm in the minority, but some crimes warrant the death penalty.  frustrated_lefty   Jun-18-10 05:04 PM   #54 
  - Gardner asked not to be killed, but  Bluerthanblue   Jun-18-10 06:15 PM   #57 
  - You are a very polite person.  frustrated_lefty   Jun-18-10 08:30 PM   #58 
  - I hate to admit this, but...  pipi_k   Jun-18-10 09:21 PM   #60 
  - It amazes me that some people here believe that NO crime  liquid diamond   Jun-19-10 01:57 PM   #95 
  - In 15 states, NO crimes warrant the death penalty  Bill McBlueState   Jun-18-10 09:32 PM   #61 
     - If you think things are just fine in Philly or Cambridge,  frustrated_lefty   Jun-18-10 11:38 PM   #67 
        - If you think the death penalty will fix what's wrong with those places then I'd say YOU are the one  Raineyb   Jun-19-10 12:20 AM   #73 
        - ooh, so snarky. n/t  Bill McBlueState   Jun-19-10 07:09 AM   #84 
  - It would be better not to have a death penalty, yes, but...  pipi_k   Jun-18-10 09:17 PM   #59 
  - They volunteered.  frustrated_lefty   Jun-18-10 11:39 PM   #68 
  - So we have sick fucks shooting another sick fuck but without sanction.  Raineyb   Jun-19-10 12:21 AM   #74 
  - Without sanction?  frustrated_lefty   Jun-19-10 04:30 AM   #77 
  - That's why late night posting is bad. I meant with sanction.  Raineyb   Jun-19-10 10:25 AM   #91 
  - They're sanctioned by the state. n/t  pipi_k   Jun-19-10 10:22 AM   #90 
  - Yes, they did  pipi_k   Jun-19-10 10:20 AM   #89 
  - That's the only solution if no one volunteered? Force? Really?  Pithlet   Jun-19-10 05:48 PM   #98 
  - And they're responsible for ending his punishment and suffering.  flvegan   Jun-18-10 09:34 PM   #62 
  - It's all sick. n/t  scrubthedata   Jun-18-10 10:33 PM   #64 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-18-10 11:15 PM   #66 
  - You pity executioners?  Ken Burch   Jun-19-10 05:05 AM   #83 
  - Embrace the stereotypes if you will.  proteus_lives   Jun-19-10 01:41 PM   #93 
     - I still don't get it  Ken Burch   Jun-19-10 05:41 PM   #97 
     - I still don't get it.  proteus_lives   Jun-19-10 06:54 PM   #99 
        - I get it that a murderer did a terrible thing and deserves punishment  Ken Burch   Jun-19-10 07:01 PM   #100 
           - "Plus, sometimes they do execute the innocent"  proteus_lives   Jun-19-10 07:52 PM   #101 
              - Apparently you believe in the death penalty.  Ken Burch   Jun-19-10 08:03 PM   #103 
                 - " was speaking specifically about the idea of VOLUNTEERING to inflict it"  proteus_lives   Jun-19-10 09:09 PM   #104 
                    - Saying "inflict it" doesn't mean negating the crime that resulted in the death sentence  Ken Burch   Jun-19-10 09:25 PM   #105 
     - And some places don't have the death penalty.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jun-21-10 08:24 PM   #114 
  - Empty insults are empty.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jun-21-10 04:45 PM   #112 
  - Sick fucks indeed. n/t  Lucian   Jun-19-10 12:14 AM   #71 
  - i've always been baffled by the whole "one rifle has a  salguine   Jun-19-10 12:34 AM   #75 
  - Families of the executioners? Human capacity for self-deception?  nemo137   Jun-19-10 04:57 AM   #79 
  - I believe it began as a way to ensure "reasonable doubt"  Bluerthanblue   Jun-19-10 03:37 PM   #96 
  - According to the article in our mornings paper, Tulsa World.  madokie   Jun-19-10 07:14 AM   #85 
  - I hope they have nightmares about what they have done.  jennijohnson   Jun-19-10 09:21 AM   #88 
  - Well they probably won't, seeing as how they volunteered.  pipi_k   Jun-19-10 10:27 AM   #92 
  - In this case they don't HAVE nightmares, they ARE nightmares.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jun-21-10 04:44 PM   #111 
     - That's OK as long as you're aware of the fact that...  pipi_k   Jun-21-10 09:04 PM   #121 
  - In this particular case? I could have easily volunteered  WeDidIt   Jun-19-10 09:58 PM   #110 
     - We know it. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jun-21-10 04:50 PM   #113 
     - I'm Glad I'm Not You. (n/t)  Paladin   Jun-21-10 08:32 PM   #117 
  - "Utah and all of that dumb redneck shit." - Nice. I've known a lot of good folks from Utah.  apocalypsehow   Jun-21-10 08:29 PM   #115 
  - makes my skin crawl...  hlthe2b   Jun-21-10 08:58 PM   #119 
  - Actually no so  Styxiv   Jun-21-10 08:59 PM   #120 
  - No different than setting a rat trap.  MrSlayer   Jun-21-10 09:24 PM   #122 

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