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Marines beat gay man badly enough for hospitilization - misdemeanor charge in Georgia
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Two young Marines are sitting in a military brig this morning, accused of beating a gay man in Savannah, Georgia, so badly he had a bruised brain and two seizures. And while details on the case are just emerging, it has huge implications for the end of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," as well as the justice system in Georgia, which lacks hate-crime laws and charged the men with a simple misdemeanor.

The service members, Keil Joseph Cronauer and Charles Stanzel, were barhopping in Savannah, just over the border from the base where they're stationed, Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort, South Carolina (of The Great Santini fame.) According to the Savannah Morning News, one of the Marines grew convinced that 26-year-old Kieran Daly, who came out six months ago, winked at him.

In police parlance, an altercation ensued. Daly was punched in the back of the head so hard, he had to be taken to the hospital.

The Marines, who were caught on foot after fleeing the scene, say they were "being harassed by a gay man and wanted to get away from him," but eyewitnesses and Daly himself disputed that account:

"The guy thought I was winking at him," Daly said. "I told him, 'I was squinting, man. ... I'm tired.'" ........(more)

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  -Marines beat gay man badly enough for hospitilization - misdemeanor charge in Georgia marmar  Jun-15-10 06:45 AM   #0 
  - Misdemeanor my ass, that's criminal assault and battery.  hobbit709   Jun-15-10 06:46 AM   #1 
  - We've got enough hatred and hostility to go around for everyone in this country. A  RKP5637   Jun-15-10 06:58 AM   #2 
  - Well the good news is the Marine Corps is also going to go after them.  wmbrew0206   Jun-15-10 07:38 AM   #4 
     - Don't be so sure  MajorChode   Jun-15-10 09:11 AM   #5 
     - I'm absolutely sure  USArmyParatrooper   Jun-15-10 09:36 AM   #7 
     - Indeed. The Marines Are Extremely Protective Of Their Public Image.  Toasterlad   Jun-15-10 09:40 AM   #8 
     - They turn a blind eye to military members murdering innocent civilians  MajorChode   Jun-15-10 10:06 AM   #12 
        - The American Press Does Not Concern Itself Overmuch With Foreign Casualties.  Toasterlad   Jun-15-10 10:09 AM   #13 
        - There is a big difference between what happens on a battle field in the fog of war  wmbrew0206   Jun-15-10 10:51 AM   #17 
           - You mean there's a different military that investigates the two?  MajorChode   Jun-15-10 11:26 AM   #21 
              - You are the one who compared this incident to killing innocent civilians on a battlefield  wmbrew0206   Jun-15-10 12:19 PM   #24 
                 - If you're going to insist on your fallacious BS...  MajorChode   Jun-15-10 06:29 PM   #28 
                    - So this is how you respond when all the other veterans on this thread disagree with you  wmbrew0206   Jun-16-10 08:20 AM   #33 
     - You may want to check the update on the story before you're so sure  MajorChode   Jun-15-10 10:21 AM   #14 
        - apparently, confidence in a ga court would also be misplaced. eom  ellenfl   Jun-15-10 10:47 AM   #15 
        - Savannah is not very representative of GA as a whole  MajorChode   Jun-16-10 10:06 AM   #35 
        - This is the whole innocent until proven guilty idea  wmbrew0206   Jun-15-10 10:57 AM   #19 
        - Based on what?  USArmyParatrooper   Jun-15-10 11:23 AM   #20 
           - Do you think you're the only one with military experience here?  MajorChode   Jun-15-10 11:34 AM   #22 
              - Again...  USArmyParatrooper   Jun-15-10 11:49 AM   #23 
              - Again...  MajorChode   Jun-15-10 06:39 PM   #29 
                 - What's I'm talking about  USArmyParatrooper   Jun-15-10 08:23 PM   #30 
                    - Sure they can  MajorChode   Jun-15-10 10:57 PM   #31 
                       - Why don't we wait and see what actually happens here. The DA and the JAG are probably deciding  wmbrew0206   Jun-16-10 08:28 AM   #34 
              - Agree with USARMYPARATROOPER. If a Marine hits the blotter out in town, he is  wmbrew0206   Jun-15-10 12:26 PM   #25 
     - no  MyNameGoesHere   Jun-15-10 09:46 AM   #10 
     - You're assuming the military would want to exercise jurisdiction  MajorChode   Jun-15-10 10:01 AM   #11 
        - It doesn't matter if they want to, they have the authority.  MyNameGoesHere   Jun-15-10 02:14 PM   #27 
     - Wrong. The Marine Corps can charge them with several things a civilian court  wmbrew0206   Jun-15-10 10:48 AM   #16 
     - beheading is probably a bit strong...  SidDithers   Jun-15-10 10:54 AM   #18 
  - I hope he sues them for every penny they  xchrom   Jun-15-10 07:14 AM   #3 
  - Which isn't going to be much  USArmyParatrooper   Jun-15-10 09:41 AM   #9 
  - i think it's time for sc to secede again. eom  ellenfl   Jun-15-10 09:28 AM   #6 
  - These subhumans should get the firing squad!  backscatter712   Jun-15-10 12:54 PM   #26 
     - Sub Humans?  Brooklyns_Finest   Jun-15-10 11:43 PM   #32 

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