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| 24. Because Hitler is the (deservedly) ultimate bad guy. |
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I only know one guy named Adolph (he prefers to be called 'Al') and he was born in 1939-40.
Nobody has dared to sport the Hitler mustache (which he stole from Charlie Chaplin) for as long as I can remember.
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| -Why does Nazism continue to haunt our political discourse? |
mix |
Jun-12-10 09:43 AM |
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Because the Hitler regime was like a hell on earth |
rurallib |
Jun-12-10 09:46 AM |
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It is sadly apparent, though interesting, |
mix |
Jun-12-10 09:48 AM |
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To deepen your understanding do search "Know Your BFEE" here on DU. |
Karenina |
Jun-12-10 12:51 PM |
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I am familiar with this history. |
mix |
Jun-12-10 01:52 PM |
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The Economics of Fascism |
ProudDad |
Jun-13-10 01:57 PM |
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You've misread this entry, |
mix |
Jun-13-10 02:09 PM |
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We should never forget. |
katmondoo |
Jun-12-10 09:51 AM |
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what is sad is that we can not have a rational discussion |
rurallib |
Jun-12-10 10:08 AM |
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I would say |
Confusious |
Jun-12-10 02:56 PM |
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Is the holocaust the ONLY thing you know of fascism? |
Toots |
Jun-13-10 09:16 AM |
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Because Glenn Beckkk has Nazi tourettes |
Catshrink |
Jun-12-10 09:48 AM |
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Because WWII never ended |
Prisoner_Number_Six |
Jun-12-10 09:53 AM |
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The defeat of Nazism is part of the national American myth... |
Ozymanithrax |
Jun-12-10 09:54 AM |
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+1 |
mix |
Jun-12-10 12:00 PM |
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As bad as our transgressions were, they are not even remotely comparable to the Nazis. |
Zynx |
Jun-12-10 02:27 PM |
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I have relatives that died in the holocaust...no, they weren't nice people.. |
Ozymanithrax |
Jun-12-10 02:53 PM |
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Convince me of this: |
mix |
Jun-13-10 10:17 AM |
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I think the Cold War was more instrumental in the Civil Rights movement... |
mitchum |
Jun-12-10 05:06 PM |
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Godwinists |
IDemo |
Jun-12-10 09:56 AM |
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Maybe not within our borders |
agent46 |
Jun-12-10 05:16 PM |
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Young, are you? |
WinkyDink |
Jun-12-10 09:57 AM |
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Your point? nt |
mix |
Jun-12-10 10:01 AM |
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I don't know WinkyDink's point, but perhaps I could make one. |
boppers |
Jun-12-10 06:38 PM |
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Thank you for that reminder. |
mix |
Jun-13-10 11:51 AM |
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Because too many people know squat about history? |
Darth_Kitten |
Jun-12-10 10:03 AM |
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because at the end of WWII |
branders seine |
Jun-12-10 10:03 AM |
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I see our postwar foreign policy as a capitalism problem, not a Nazi problem. |
mix |
Jun-12-10 10:09 AM |
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Capitalism. Naziism. |
branders seine |
Jun-12-10 10:22 AM |
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But capitalism is far worse, since it is our reality today, not Nazism. nt |
mix |
Jun-12-10 10:26 AM |
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The intellectual legacy that spawned Rumsfeld and Cheney |
branders seine |
Jun-12-10 10:32 AM |
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Cheney is a product of the American West. nt |
mix |
Jun-12-10 11:01 AM |
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Not really |
Ardent15 |
Jun-13-10 02:05 PM |
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Nebraska is certainly the American West. |
mix |
Jun-13-10 02:19 PM |
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Ah, ok |
Ardent15 |
Jun-13-10 02:22 PM |
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They brought their ideology as well, |
MadHound |
Jun-12-10 12:52 PM |
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Because projecting our demons onto others is much easier and less uncomfortable. |
Dover |
Jun-12-10 10:08 AM |
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Because the human animal is capable of it still |
ismnotwasm |
Jun-12-10 10:10 AM |
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Perhaps because we're certainly drifting in a fascist direction |
MadHound |
Jun-12-10 10:10 AM |
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I have heard this argument and still disagree. |
mix |
Jun-12-10 10:22 AM |
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Actually if you study your history you will find that the corporatism of today |
MadHound |
Jun-12-10 10:32 AM |
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Sorry, I'm not convinced. nt |
mix |
Jun-12-10 10:34 AM |
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Well, that's your peragotive, |
MadHound |
Jun-12-10 10:41 AM |
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Let me put it this way. |
mix |
Jun-12-10 10:48 AM |
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Actually no, it isn't |
MadHound |
Jun-12-10 11:13 AM |
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This is why I do not take you seriously (among other things): |
mix |
Jun-12-10 11:19 AM |
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Yeah, roughly around that time |
MadHound |
Jun-12-10 11:24 AM |
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Scientific racism, eugenics, sterilization campaigns, |
mix |
Jun-12-10 11:28 AM |
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Ah, but eugenics actually got started here, |
MadHound |
Jun-12-10 11:30 AM |
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You've misread your sources. nt |
mix |
Jun-12-10 11:35 AM |
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Umm, no, I haven't |
MadHound |
Jun-12-10 11:41 AM |
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Here's your problem. |
mix |
Jun-12-10 12:28 PM |
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Here's your problem, |
MadHound |
Jun-12-10 12:40 PM |
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You started this thread asking a question, and now you're a preachy know it all. |
Electric Monk |
Jun-12-10 01:24 PM |
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Worst of all, a know it all with nothing to back up his ass |
MadHound |
Jun-12-10 01:27 PM |
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Read Edwin Black. |
Octafish |
Jun-12-10 02:12 PM |
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That is exactly my point. |
mix |
Jun-12-10 02:27 PM |
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NAZIs aren't coming to America. |
Octafish |
Jun-12-10 03:15 PM |
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Then how do you account for this: |
mix |
Jun-13-10 09:36 AM |
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How do you account for this? |
MadHound |
Jun-13-10 10:54 AM |
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My family was there fighting the NAZIs then. The NAZI's ideology was made here, though. |
Octafish |
Jun-13-10 12:06 PM |
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There is no denying these ties, Octafish. |
mix |
Jun-13-10 12:25 PM |
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Another apt phrase from you today |
MadHound |
Jun-13-10 01:05 PM |
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Just as BP is one form of "capitalism" |
ProudDad |
Jun-13-10 02:06 PM |
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And how effective or viable could your politics really be, |
mix |
Jun-13-10 01:44 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-13-10 02:05 PM |
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And your point is, well, wrong |
MadHound |
Jun-12-10 03:22 PM |
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it's also exactly why we heard so much demonization of socilaism and communism |
fascisthunter |
Jun-12-10 11:34 AM |
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System works great for making people do what you want while you steal their money. |
Octafish |
Jun-12-10 10:21 AM |
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It has a twisted appeal |
pscot |
Jun-12-10 10:28 AM |
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It's Easy |
iamjoy |
Jun-12-10 10:31 AM |
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It's easy and keeps Americans from examining their own history(ies). nt |
mix |
Jun-12-10 10:33 AM |
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Because Hitler is the (deservedly) ultimate bad guy. |
Blue-Jay |
Jun-12-10 10:32 AM |
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Nazism minus the death camps = garden variety fascism.... |
Smarmie Doofus |
Jun-12-10 10:43 AM |
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I agree with your answer re why they remain common. |
mix |
Jun-13-10 10:12 AM |
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Because talking about Vlad the Impaler would ring little bells |
Oregone |
Jun-12-10 11:09 AM |
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i kinda understand nt |
mix |
Jun-12-10 11:11 AM |
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Vlad had a much better sense of humor |
mitchum |
Jun-12-10 12:14 PM |
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Operation Paperclip |
Electric Monk |
Jun-12-10 11:26 AM |
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And how is this evidence of the USA being a fascist/Nazi state? |
mix |
Jun-12-10 11:41 AM |
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Amoral Paranoid American Capitalism struggling against Communism |
Moochy |
Jun-13-10 09:31 AM |
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I am not denying the totalitarian realities of American society. |
mix |
Jun-13-10 09:41 AM |
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Sorry, but your explanation of neoliberalism as the cause of all problems simply doesn't fly |
MadHound |
Jun-13-10 11:03 AM |
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And remember Moochy, |
mix |
Jun-13-10 11:15 AM |
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There most certainly is a need to look back to the horrors of German fascism |
Time for change |
Jun-12-10 11:42 AM |
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I agree. |
mix |
Jun-12-10 11:47 AM |
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Yes, we need to do both |
Time for change |
Jun-12-10 12:10 PM |
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Look into the very beginning of the Heritage Foundation. n/t |
Greyhound |
Jun-12-10 11:42 AM |
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Their sense of style... |
mitchum |
Jun-12-10 12:12 PM |
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When you think about the horrible crimes and trauma of the Nazi period, |
mix |
Jun-12-10 12:37 PM |
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All that leather, black clothing, death heads, pageantry, etc... |
mitchum |
Jun-12-10 12:52 PM |
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It was the society of the spectacle in full blossom, |
mix |
Jun-12-10 01:06 PM |
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Because it's the only bit of world history we know anything about, |
dorkulon |
Jun-12-10 12:56 PM |
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I think you are on to something...perhaps a symptom of the post-Cold War. nt |
mix |
Jun-12-10 01:15 PM |
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Fair enough, but even throughout the entire span of world history you would struggle |
Zynx |
Jun-12-10 02:18 PM |
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If you think that fascist tendencies are entirely on the right |
XemaSab |
Jun-12-10 01:19 PM |
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There was anti-Asian racism in the USA since the 19th century. |
mix |
Jun-12-10 01:28 PM |
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Most apt words you've written this entire thread, |
MadHound |
Jun-12-10 01:29 PM |
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Go MAD HOUND! |
Nikki Stone1 |
Jun-12-10 05:05 PM |
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The same reason Communism does... |
MellowDem |
Jun-12-10 01:25 PM |
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Interesting. And well-put. nt |
Smarmie Doofus |
Jun-13-10 06:23 AM |
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No, the American right has very much in common with fascism |
Ardent15 |
Jun-13-10 02:14 PM |
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Well, that proves it I guess? |
MellowDem |
Jun-13-10 05:43 PM |
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Bush is Hitler |
AngryAmish |
Jun-12-10 01:27 PM |
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That has a horrific ring to it. |
mix |
Jun-13-10 01:37 PM |
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Hate in human gene |
kgnu_fan |
Jun-12-10 01:31 PM |
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Because it is the end game in the mix of corporatism, nationalism and racism |
KonaKane |
Jun-12-10 02:05 PM |
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Because the Nazi regime was one of the few instances of true evil on the face of the planet. |
Zynx |
Jun-12-10 02:16 PM |
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Really? |
MadHound |
Jun-12-10 03:26 PM |
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Mad Hound |
Nikki Stone1 |
Jun-12-10 05:02 PM |
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The truth is, it wasn't... |
MellowDem |
Jun-12-10 04:31 PM |
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In fact, you could go back to evil empires since the beginning of empires |
Nikki Stone1 |
Jun-12-10 05:03 PM |
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Are you stoned? |
KonaKane |
Jun-12-10 05:05 PM |
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I wish... |
MellowDem |
Jun-13-10 12:33 AM |
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When people are forced into box cars and carried to death camps and |
saltpoint |
Jun-12-10 05:23 PM |
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Morality is relative... |
MellowDem |
Jun-13-10 12:42 AM |
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I'm unaware of any Jewish citizens of 1930s and 1940s Europe |
saltpoint |
Jun-13-10 07:11 AM |
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And? |
MellowDem |
Jun-13-10 11:10 AM |
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If its intent is logical, as in, for example, an intent to preserve and respect human |
saltpoint |
Jun-13-10 11:36 AM |
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Once again, morality is relative... |
MellowDem |
Jun-13-10 02:10 PM |
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There is no "logic" to the Third Reich's claim that Jewish people were |
saltpoint |
Jun-13-10 06:59 PM |
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Hence the quotation marks... |
MellowDem |
Jun-13-10 08:01 PM |
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Many philosophers make some modest nod toward your semantic |
saltpoint |
Jun-13-10 08:18 PM |
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Well, Ghandi's definition of evil... |
MellowDem |
Jun-13-10 08:49 PM |
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We disagree. Gandhi's application is universal but it implies responsibility |
saltpoint |
Jun-13-10 09:01 PM |
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"Most ethical constructs"... |
MellowDem |
Jun-13-10 09:27 PM |
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They are not relative. We disagree on that specific hinge. As well, there |
saltpoint |
Jun-13-10 09:37 PM |
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The point of comparison... |
MellowDem |
Jun-13-10 10:11 PM |
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What would you call it, then? |
saltpoint |
Jun-13-10 10:13 PM |
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Genocide... |
MellowDem |
Jun-14-10 11:23 AM |
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In my opinion it was in fact genocide and genocide is not a "relative" |
saltpoint |
Jun-15-10 02:35 AM |
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By any objective standard, |
mix |
Jun-13-10 11:01 AM |
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I have a problem with the word evil in general... |
MellowDem |
Jun-13-10 11:12 AM |
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I understand your personal opinion of the word. |
mix |
Jun-13-10 11:23 AM |
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The way it is used by certain others.... |
MellowDem |
Jun-13-10 02:13 PM |
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IMO it really DOES represent the "ultimate political evil." That's an |
saltpoint |
Jun-12-10 05:12 PM |
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Maybe because |
agent46 |
Jun-12-10 05:13 PM |
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It's a rather contemporary evil... |
LanternWaste |
Jun-12-10 05:19 PM |
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Maybe if the commitment to build atomic weapons had been a little stronger.... |
MilesColtrane |
Jun-13-10 01:04 AM |
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Perhaps...as it turns out the German atomic program was quite rudimentary. |
mix |
Jun-13-10 09:10 AM |
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Stalin was probably responsible for more deaths. He and Adolf |
deaniac21 |
Jun-13-10 01:46 PM |
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Stalin's crimes were also unparalleled and preceded Nazism's, no doubt. |
mix |
Jun-13-10 01:56 PM |
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The Economics of Fascism |
ProudDad |
Jun-13-10 02:00 PM |
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You are misrepresenting this Wikipedia entry, |
mix |
Jun-13-10 02:25 PM |
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To go the extra step in the reasoning process... |
ProudDad |
Jun-13-10 02:35 PM |
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A study of capitalism over the last 500 years tells us the same thing. |
mix |
Jun-13-10 02:44 PM |
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It appears that we agree that capitalism |
ProudDad |
Jun-13-10 04:18 PM |
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Because a Nazi financier's son and grandson became American Presidents later |
Ardent15 |
Jun-13-10 02:02 PM |
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These Nazis links certainly show what sort of people the Bushes are, |
mix |
Jun-13-10 02:41 PM |
#135 |
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Well... |
Ardent15 |
Jun-13-10 02:43 PM |
#136 |
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Fair enough. nt |
mix |
Jun-13-10 02:56 PM |
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No matter what the label, it's a dead-end death culture... |
ProudDad |
Jun-13-10 02:32 PM |
#133 |
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It's the mass psychology that was practiced here during WWII |
TransitJohn |
Jun-13-10 08:35 PM |
#144 |
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