| 149. Science in disregard of nature isn't science... |
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Science cannot disregard nature, indeed science proved that humans are a part of nature, not removed from it. So the question is, what happened in the Gulf? Easy, human greed, human avarice, and human shortsightedness took over, profits over the natural world. Yet these motives, these faults of humans, didn't come about because of science, but rather are a darker part of human nature itself.
The fact that science is used by people who aren't scientists for profit isn't a fault of science, but a fault in humans themselves.
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| -Why do people have such a problem with science? |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 01:52 AM |
#0 |
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Most people are stupid anyway (by most I mean 95%) , who cares. |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-11-10 01:54 AM |
#1 |
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I don't believe that, and you shouldn't either... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 01:57 AM |
#2 |
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Whether the Human species survives or not is of no consequence to the Universe |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-11-10 02:02 AM |
#6 |
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Yeah, but I would hope my fellow humans would care about it... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 02:04 AM |
#7 |
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I think for our sake we need to evolve a little more. |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-11-10 02:07 AM |
#8 |
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If you truly feel that way, please, you go first. n/t |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 02:12 AM |
#9 |
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All of us are going , :) dust to dust and all , so I won't be lonely |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-11-10 02:13 AM |
#10 |
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I have to agree with Undertheocean and I also agree with you. |
liberal_at_heart |
Jun-11-10 07:49 PM |
#154 |
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See, even here, severe ignorance about evolution |
Chulanowa |
Jun-11-10 02:39 AM |
#15 |
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explain thyself |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-11-10 02:42 AM |
#17 |
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An animal doesn't say "I choose to evolve today" |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jun-11-10 02:49 AM |
#20 |
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"An animal doesn't say "I choose to evolve today"" |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-11-10 02:53 AM |
#23 |
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How do you see humans "evolving" more for "our" sake? |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jun-11-10 03:00 AM |
#26 |
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"our" was meant figuratively , a label of our collective species and its descendants |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-11-10 03:03 AM |
#27 |
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"We need to evolve a little more?" |
Chulanowa |
Jun-11-10 03:31 AM |
#37 |
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+1 |
guitar man |
Jun-11-10 01:43 PM |
#76 |
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Ok, I will stand in for her |
Bert |
Jun-11-10 03:24 PM |
#114 |
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You are being rude and give anyone reading your post the impression |
Tumbulu |
Jun-12-10 12:57 AM |
#168 |
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I'm glad someone caught that. |
NeedleCast |
Jun-11-10 12:25 PM |
#45 |
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Hey, atheists, if God doesn't exist then why did 9-11 happen? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-11-10 12:39 PM |
#50 |
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Trolling is a art...nt |
SidDithers |
Jun-11-10 03:23 PM |
#113 |
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Implying I should correct "a" to "an." |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-11-10 04:03 PM |
#129 |
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No other explanation is possible |
Bert |
Jun-12-10 12:42 AM |
#167 |
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A bit harsh, but your point is valid. |
Ignis |
Jun-11-10 08:19 PM |
#156 |
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KUDOS for the excellent Morbo reference. nm |
Richard Steele |
Jun-13-10 02:30 AM |
#186 |
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It's refreshing to see your idea expressed here on DU. |
Trillo |
Jun-11-10 12:42 PM |
#52 |
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What does "deserve" have to do with it? |
Silent3 |
Jun-11-10 03:17 PM |
#108 |
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Nice post +100 |
Confusious |
Jun-11-10 08:05 PM |
#155 |
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Whaaa...are we not the Masters of Le Universe? Destined to spread French everywhere? |
opihimoimoi |
Jun-11-10 03:04 AM |
#28 |
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Non . |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-11-10 03:06 AM |
#29 |
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Absolutely wrong. We are the Universe, of course we care if we survive or not. You are promoting |
fishbulb703 |
Jun-11-10 01:02 PM |
#58 |
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"We are the Universe" |
FiveGoodMen |
Jun-11-10 01:20 PM |
#70 |
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Yup. Where do you think all those elements come from? nt |
fishbulb703 |
Jun-11-10 01:31 PM |
#72 |
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Wait, wait ... don't tell me... |
FiveGoodMen |
Jun-11-10 01:34 PM |
#73 |
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No, when stars die they explode and their matter eventually becomes distant humans. :D |
fishbulb703 |
Jun-11-10 01:43 PM |
#75 |
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...which hardly makes us the universe |
FiveGoodMen |
Jun-11-10 01:46 PM |
#79 |
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So the universe is stars? What separates us from the universe? |
fishbulb703 |
Jun-11-10 02:13 PM |
#83 |
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"If the hairs in your shower could think and talk, then yes they probably would claim to be you" |
FiveGoodMen |
Jun-11-10 02:20 PM |
#84 |
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Uh, distance along field lines.... so that makes us not the universe and the universe is stars? |
fishbulb703 |
Jun-11-10 02:21 PM |
#85 |
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You are not everything. Everything is not you. |
FiveGoodMen |
Jun-11-10 02:28 PM |
#90 |
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That doesn't make sense. The universe is necessarily "all". Choose a new word. nt |
fishbulb703 |
Jun-11-10 02:36 PM |
#93 |
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The UNIVERSE is all. |
FiveGoodMen |
Jun-11-10 02:43 PM |
#95 |
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Yes, we are a part of the universe. Do you know how Venn diagrams work? |
fishbulb703 |
Jun-11-10 02:45 PM |
#96 |
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A PART is not the WHOLE. |
FiveGoodMen |
Jun-11-10 02:46 PM |
#98 |
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Yes, and we are that (or one) part of the universe that is self-aware. |
fishbulb703 |
Jun-11-10 02:50 PM |
#100 |
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Okay, that last statement made sense. |
FiveGoodMen |
Jun-11-10 02:57 PM |
#102 |
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:) |
fishbulb703 |
Jun-11-10 03:05 PM |
#104 |
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:) |
FiveGoodMen |
Jun-11-10 03:21 PM |
#112 |
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depends, imo. WILLFUL ignorance = stupidity in my book. |
piratefish08 |
Jun-11-10 06:34 AM |
#41 |
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"I don't care" != "nobody cares" |
Posteritatis |
Jun-11-10 01:08 PM |
#64 |
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They don't understand it. |
Codeine |
Jun-11-10 01:58 AM |
#3 |
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This is true, and I don't understand why people act this way... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 02:29 AM |
#14 |
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It's a mix of that and the "no opinion can be wrong" bullshit |
Posteritatis |
Jun-11-10 01:06 PM |
#61 |
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Of course it makes no sense, but it doesn't have to |
lob1 |
Jun-11-10 02:00 AM |
#4 |
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They have lazy minds. n/t |
LuvNewcastle |
Jun-11-10 02:00 AM |
#5 |
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He was speaking about the mechanization of the world. |
FedUpWithIt All |
Jun-11-10 02:13 AM |
#11 |
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"Monsanto is science. Oil exploration is science. Television is science." |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-11-10 02:17 AM |
#12 |
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My post went completely over your head, didn't it? |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 02:21 AM |
#13 |
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I have an education that ended at a 9th grade level. I understand concepts even if i am limited |
FedUpWithIt All |
Jun-11-10 02:42 AM |
#16 |
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The applications of science are saving us. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jun-11-10 02:45 AM |
#18 |
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I guess time will tell if we have benefited or not from our advancements. |
FedUpWithIt All |
Jun-11-10 02:49 AM |
#19 |
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What do you mean "short term benefit". Do you think more people should be dying? |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jun-11-10 02:52 AM |
#21 |
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More people ARE dying. Just not where you live. n/t |
FedUpWithIt All |
Jun-11-10 02:55 AM |
#24 |
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Where? More people die because we have larger populations. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jun-11-10 02:57 AM |
#25 |
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More people are dying because advancement carries with it the broad destruction of natural resources |
FedUpWithIt All |
Jun-11-10 03:10 AM |
#30 |
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So you would like a smaller population. How would you like to achieve that? |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jun-11-10 03:13 AM |
#32 |
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Again, population is not the problem IMO. |
FedUpWithIt All |
Jun-11-10 03:16 AM |
#33 |
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Medical advancement has few negative benefits other than saving the sick and keeping the elderly |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jun-11-10 03:18 AM |
#34 |
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Really? How Do You Feel About |
NashVegas |
Jun-12-10 11:17 AM |
#173 |
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They Are Saving Individual Lives At the Expense of the Greater Race |
NashVegas |
Jun-11-10 03:58 PM |
#128 |
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The applications of ignorance are what is truly killing us... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 03:19 AM |
#35 |
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LOL |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-11-10 03:19 PM |
#109 |
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Thanks for sharing... |
FedUpWithIt All |
Jun-11-10 05:08 PM |
#137 |
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You're just running your own hobby horse into Prince Charles's. |
Zix |
Jun-11-10 03:21 AM |
#36 |
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No, he and I are at opposite ends of the spectrum, he believes in some really odd... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 12:29 PM |
#47 |
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I actually think he was attacking capitalism |
BootinUp |
Jun-11-10 03:02 PM |
#103 |
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Real socialist, that Prince of Wales. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-11-10 03:07 PM |
#105 |
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He's divine, doesn't count. lol. |
BootinUp |
Jun-11-10 03:08 PM |
#107 |
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The bible is the source of all of our ills?? |
Angry Dragon |
Jun-11-10 02:53 AM |
#22 |
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The Bible is the most influencial book ever written in western civilization... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 03:11 AM |
#31 |
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"its the most reliable method we have in figuring out how the world works." |
The2ndWheel |
Jun-11-10 05:55 AM |
#38 |
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Subject to to the laws of nature means allowing the weak among us to die |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jun-11-10 06:32 AM |
#40 |
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I really HATE this missapplication of Evolutionary theory. |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 12:25 PM |
#46 |
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If people want to pretend that all of our ills come from science and technology, fine |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jun-11-10 12:59 PM |
#56 |
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I was simply stating that we don't like being subject to the laws of nature |
The2ndWheel |
Jun-11-10 02:34 PM |
#91 |
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I'm talking socially its changed our view of ourselves... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 12:20 PM |
#44 |
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So the use of science allows us to increase our domination of the planet |
The2ndWheel |
Jun-11-10 02:38 PM |
#94 |
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Better living through ignorance? |
Silent3 |
Jun-11-10 03:29 PM |
#116 |
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That seems like a waste of time and energy. |
Confusious |
Jun-11-10 03:55 PM |
#127 |
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We (you and I) agree. nt |
BootinUp |
Jun-11-10 06:02 AM |
#39 |
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At some point in many people's lives science starts to diverge from their beliefs. |
Forkboy |
Jun-11-10 06:41 AM |
#42 |
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Indeed. It's fun watching Reductionists come up with a way to explain Altruism. |
KittyWampus |
Jun-11-10 12:39 PM |
#51 |
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We observe altruism in many primate groups. |
trotsky |
Jun-11-10 02:25 PM |
#87 |
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What's that supposed to mean, altruism is a benefit to intelligent social animals... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 03:19 PM |
#110 |
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It's fun watching people making fools of themselves using "reductionist" as an epithet. |
Odin2005 |
Jun-13-10 01:55 AM |
#182 |
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Well put, Forkboy. n/t |
Desertrose |
Jun-11-10 01:08 PM |
#65 |
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Ignorance of scientific method is rampant on the left and right - and people believe their own ideas |
stray cat |
Jun-11-10 07:02 AM |
#43 |
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This |
NeedleCast |
Jun-11-10 01:05 PM |
#60 |
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Charles critiqued the Mindset. He did NOT BLAME GALILEO. Pretty ironic you attempt |
KittyWampus |
Jun-11-10 12:36 PM |
#48 |
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According to some (many) it is... |
Desertrose |
Jun-11-10 01:10 PM |
#66 |
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"Materialism is NOT the de facto Philosophy of Science." |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-11-10 01:14 PM |
#67 |
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Still mad about the moon bombing, eh? |
Warren DeMontague |
Jun-11-10 01:15 PM |
#68 |
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That, and people still teaching the theory of evilution. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-11-10 01:18 PM |
#69 |
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Materialism predates the modern scientific method by centuries... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 03:36 PM |
#121 |
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It's hard. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-11-10 12:37 PM |
#49 |
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"It makes me want to go poopy." |
BootinUp |
Jun-11-10 12:44 PM |
#53 |
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Meaning |
harun |
Jun-11-10 12:46 PM |
#54 |
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Might help if |
BootinUp |
Jun-11-10 12:58 PM |
#55 |
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Example |
harun |
Jun-11-10 02:04 PM |
#82 |
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Gotcha, Social Darwinism bad |
BootinUp |
Jun-11-10 02:35 PM |
#92 |
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Um, science DOES tell you why water freezes at 32 degrees Farenheit. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-11-10 01:01 PM |
#57 |
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What do you think the meaning of water freezing is? |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jun-11-10 01:05 PM |
#59 |
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it blinds me |
HughMoran |
Jun-11-10 01:06 PM |
#62 |
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It assails their willful ignorance with that evil logic. |
Iggo |
Jun-11-10 01:08 PM |
#63 |
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You start from a flawed premise |
nichomachus |
Jun-11-10 01:28 PM |
#71 |
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But there is a flaw in your logic I think |
BootinUp |
Jun-11-10 01:37 PM |
#74 |
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Partly because of "bible study" and "vacation bible school". |
AlinPA |
Jun-11-10 01:44 PM |
#77 |
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Who has a problem with science? |
KonaKane |
Jun-11-10 01:45 PM |
#78 |
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Life is wonderful and good. |
Iggo |
Jun-11-10 01:57 PM |
#80 |
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Because, first off, "one or the other" is a false dichotomy. |
Warren DeMontague |
Jun-11-10 02:45 PM |
#97 |
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Leave spirituality out of science and both get on just fine... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 05:56 PM |
#142 |
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Albert Einstein disagreed with you. |
KonaKane |
Jun-11-10 06:01 PM |
#145 |
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Einstein wasn't a perfect being, he wasn't even right about quantum theory... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 06:17 PM |
#147 |
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The Slacker! |
BootinUp |
Jun-11-10 06:34 PM |
#151 |
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Ah, the old expert in another field trick |
Bert |
Jun-11-10 09:18 PM |
#159 |
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Eistein was a Pantheist who mean "religion" in a far different way than... |
Odin2005 |
Jun-13-10 02:01 AM |
#183 |
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so... what do you say to those looking into spirituality effecting the human body in a scientific |
seabeyond |
Jun-11-10 06:14 PM |
#146 |
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Well, two things, first is that the physiology of the affects of the mind... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 06:22 PM |
#148 |
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It's not a science problem. It's a religious extremism and willful ignorance problem. |
Heidi |
Jun-11-10 01:58 PM |
#81 |
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Agreed for the most part, but what is willfully ignorant about |
KonaKane |
Jun-11-10 02:25 PM |
#88 |
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Both the problems you raised aren't problems with science, but religion. n/t |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 04:34 PM |
#134 |
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Incorrect. The Gulf spill is the best and most horrifying example on my side. |
KonaKane |
Jun-11-10 05:58 PM |
#143 |
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Science in disregard of nature isn't science... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 06:27 PM |
#149 |
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What happened in the gulf had everything to do with greed. That wasn't science. n/t |
Pithlet |
Jun-12-10 12:19 AM |
#166 |
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No, it isn't. It's an example of short-term greed without care for the world |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-13-10 02:23 AM |
#185 |
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Why would anyone care what a half witted product of incest have to say |
WCGreen |
Jun-11-10 02:22 PM |
#86 |
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My problem is with scientists (just like my problems are not with religion, but it's preachers) |
The Straight Story |
Jun-11-10 02:27 PM |
#89 |
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As opposed to priests |
Bert |
Jun-11-10 03:26 PM |
#115 |
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OK, your post illustrates all that is wrong with science education today... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 03:29 PM |
#117 |
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Ignorance is more in how and why you disagree... |
Silent3 |
Jun-11-10 03:47 PM |
#125 |
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I agree with you and the "scientists" writing rude posts |
Tumbulu |
Jun-12-10 01:21 AM |
#169 |
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It's easier to live in an imaginary, two dimensional cardboard box of fairy tales |
Warren DeMontague |
Jun-11-10 02:46 PM |
#99 |
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"Ah, Hickey, you've taken the magic out of the whiskey." Eugene O'Neill from "The Iceman Cometh". |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jun-11-10 02:57 PM |
#101 |
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I need to add another comment |
BootinUp |
Jun-11-10 03:07 PM |
#106 |
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I think it's because... |
LanternWaste |
Jun-11-10 03:20 PM |
#111 |
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when fad science like evolutionary behavior is used in order to promote agenda |
seabeyond |
Jun-11-10 03:29 PM |
#118 |
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Because they don't know what science is, look at post 89. n/t |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 03:31 PM |
#119 |
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not sure what post 89 had to do with it, but there are posters on this thread |
seabeyond |
Jun-11-10 03:36 PM |
#122 |
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Those scientists with agendas generally stop being respected scientists... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 03:41 PM |
#123 |
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Doesn't Matter |
NashVegas |
Jun-11-10 04:10 PM |
#130 |
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That just illustrates the importance for scientists to be independent and have free... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 04:31 PM |
#133 |
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Again, Doesn't Matter |
NashVegas |
Jun-11-10 05:12 PM |
#139 |
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Alfred Nobel created a device that helped miners go home without being maimed... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 05:37 PM |
#140 |
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Bullshit |
NashVegas |
Jun-12-10 11:28 AM |
#174 |
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Thats right- you wrote what I wanted to say far more eloquently (nt) |
Tumbulu |
Jun-12-10 01:27 AM |
#170 |
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and this is why science is having a tough time. anything wrong will be proven |
seabeyond |
Jun-11-10 04:13 PM |
#131 |
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Why did you reverse what I said basically happens in scientific fields? |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 04:23 PM |
#132 |
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you are out to win the argument, prove your point |
seabeyond |
Jun-11-10 05:08 PM |
#138 |
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What agenda do I have? |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 05:49 PM |
#141 |
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Science continually tries to prove itself wrong. |
BootinUp |
Jun-11-10 05:58 PM |
#144 |
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And that's also why it works. n/t |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 06:30 PM |
#150 |
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Here is my take |
Bert |
Jun-11-10 03:32 PM |
#120 |
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I imagine the corollary is also true. |
LanternWaste |
Jun-11-10 03:44 PM |
#124 |
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What corollary would that be? |
Bert |
Jun-11-10 04:51 PM |
#136 |
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If someone followed me around, correctly proving everything I say is wrong, I'd hate them too. -nt |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jun-11-10 03:53 PM |
#126 |
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OK, I promise not to stalk you anymore. |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 04:34 PM |
#135 |
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Unrec because you've misunderstood what Prince Charles said. |
earth mom |
Jun-11-10 06:35 PM |
#152 |
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You've just taken what you want say and grafted your preferred meaning... |
Silent3 |
Jun-11-10 07:31 PM |
#153 |
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Much like those who believe in the bible |
Bert |
Jun-11-10 09:24 PM |
#160 |
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well if that was what he meant then he's still an idiot |
dana_b |
Jun-13-10 02:12 AM |
#184 |
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If you really want an answer, do some research into other world-views: |
Ignis |
Jun-11-10 08:23 PM |
#157 |
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What has science done for the world? |
yawnmaster |
Jun-11-10 08:44 PM |
#158 |
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I hope you are kidding. |
Bert |
Jun-11-10 09:25 PM |
#161 |
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Yes, I am typing on a computer... |
yawnmaster |
Jun-12-10 10:29 PM |
#176 |
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Let's see, Germ theory allowed us to figure out the causes... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 09:29 PM |
#162 |
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yes these are all things that science has created... |
yawnmaster |
Jun-12-10 10:26 PM |
#175 |
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...he asks, on the Internet... (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Jun-11-10 11:43 PM |
#164 |
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yes, I am using the technology that science has allowed us to create... |
yawnmaster |
Jun-12-10 10:31 PM |
#177 |
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That's, by far, the dumbest question I have ever read here on DU. |
Lucian |
Jun-11-10 11:51 PM |
#165 |
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And therefore the answer should be very simple!... |
yawnmaster |
Jun-12-10 10:34 PM |
#178 |
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You're asking what science has done for this world. |
Lucian |
Jun-12-10 11:05 PM |
#180 |
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now go beyond that and answer if the things science has done for the world adds to the world... |
yawnmaster |
Jun-13-10 11:42 AM |
#187 |
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Funny word, that. Dominion. |
flvegan |
Jun-11-10 09:38 PM |
#163 |
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"Stupid" came to mind first - I see I was not alone in that conclusion. |
old mark |
Jun-12-10 05:39 AM |
#171 |
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Science doesn't undermine religion. Religion undermines science. (nt) |
Dr Morbius |
Jun-12-10 05:45 AM |
#172 |
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because it clashes with religious fairy tales |
Skittles |
Jun-12-10 10:35 PM |
#179 |
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Because most people are willfully ignorant and prefer fantasy over reality. |
Odin2005 |
Jun-13-10 01:49 AM |
#181 |
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