| 126. If someone followed me around, correctly proving everything I say is wrong, I'd hate them too. -nt |
| -Why do people have such a problem with science? |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 01:52 AM |
#0 |
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Most people are stupid anyway (by most I mean 95%) , who cares. |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-11-10 01:54 AM |
#1 |
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I don't believe that, and you shouldn't either... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 01:57 AM |
#2 |
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Whether the Human species survives or not is of no consequence to the Universe |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-11-10 02:02 AM |
#6 |
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Yeah, but I would hope my fellow humans would care about it... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 02:04 AM |
#7 |
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I think for our sake we need to evolve a little more. |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-11-10 02:07 AM |
#8 |
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If you truly feel that way, please, you go first. n/t |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 02:12 AM |
#9 |
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All of us are going , :) dust to dust and all , so I won't be lonely |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-11-10 02:13 AM |
#10 |
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I have to agree with Undertheocean and I also agree with you. |
liberal_at_heart |
Jun-11-10 07:49 PM |
#154 |
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See, even here, severe ignorance about evolution |
Chulanowa |
Jun-11-10 02:39 AM |
#15 |
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explain thyself |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-11-10 02:42 AM |
#17 |
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An animal doesn't say "I choose to evolve today" |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jun-11-10 02:49 AM |
#20 |
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"An animal doesn't say "I choose to evolve today"" |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-11-10 02:53 AM |
#23 |
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How do you see humans "evolving" more for "our" sake? |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jun-11-10 03:00 AM |
#26 |
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"our" was meant figuratively , a label of our collective species and its descendants |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-11-10 03:03 AM |
#27 |
| -
"We need to evolve a little more?" |
Chulanowa |
Jun-11-10 03:31 AM |
#37 |
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+1 |
guitar man |
Jun-11-10 01:43 PM |
#76 |
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Ok, I will stand in for her |
Bert |
Jun-11-10 03:24 PM |
#114 |
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You are being rude and give anyone reading your post the impression |
Tumbulu |
Jun-12-10 12:57 AM |
#168 |
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I'm glad someone caught that. |
NeedleCast |
Jun-11-10 12:25 PM |
#45 |
| -
Hey, atheists, if God doesn't exist then why did 9-11 happen? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-11-10 12:39 PM |
#50 |
| -
Trolling is a art...nt |
SidDithers |
Jun-11-10 03:23 PM |
#113 |
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Implying I should correct "a" to "an." |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-11-10 04:03 PM |
#129 |
| -
No other explanation is possible |
Bert |
Jun-12-10 12:42 AM |
#167 |
| -
A bit harsh, but your point is valid. |
Ignis |
Jun-11-10 08:19 PM |
#156 |
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KUDOS for the excellent Morbo reference. nm |
Richard Steele |
Jun-13-10 02:30 AM |
#186 |
| -
It's refreshing to see your idea expressed here on DU. |
Trillo |
Jun-11-10 12:42 PM |
#52 |
| -
What does "deserve" have to do with it? |
Silent3 |
Jun-11-10 03:17 PM |
#108 |
| -
Nice post +100 |
Confusious |
Jun-11-10 08:05 PM |
#155 |
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Whaaa...are we not the Masters of Le Universe? Destined to spread French everywhere? |
opihimoimoi |
Jun-11-10 03:04 AM |
#28 |
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Non . |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-11-10 03:06 AM |
#29 |
| -
Absolutely wrong. We are the Universe, of course we care if we survive or not. You are promoting |
fishbulb703 |
Jun-11-10 01:02 PM |
#58 |
| -
"We are the Universe" |
FiveGoodMen |
Jun-11-10 01:20 PM |
#70 |
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Yup. Where do you think all those elements come from? nt |
fishbulb703 |
Jun-11-10 01:31 PM |
#72 |
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Wait, wait ... don't tell me... |
FiveGoodMen |
Jun-11-10 01:34 PM |
#73 |
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No, when stars die they explode and their matter eventually becomes distant humans. :D |
fishbulb703 |
Jun-11-10 01:43 PM |
#75 |
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...which hardly makes us the universe |
FiveGoodMen |
Jun-11-10 01:46 PM |
#79 |
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So the universe is stars? What separates us from the universe? |
fishbulb703 |
Jun-11-10 02:13 PM |
#83 |
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"If the hairs in your shower could think and talk, then yes they probably would claim to be you" |
FiveGoodMen |
Jun-11-10 02:20 PM |
#84 |
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Uh, distance along field lines.... so that makes us not the universe and the universe is stars? |
fishbulb703 |
Jun-11-10 02:21 PM |
#85 |
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You are not everything. Everything is not you. |
FiveGoodMen |
Jun-11-10 02:28 PM |
#90 |
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That doesn't make sense. The universe is necessarily "all". Choose a new word. nt |
fishbulb703 |
Jun-11-10 02:36 PM |
#93 |
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The UNIVERSE is all. |
FiveGoodMen |
Jun-11-10 02:43 PM |
#95 |
| -
Yes, we are a part of the universe. Do you know how Venn diagrams work? |
fishbulb703 |
Jun-11-10 02:45 PM |
#96 |
| -
A PART is not the WHOLE. |
FiveGoodMen |
Jun-11-10 02:46 PM |
#98 |
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Yes, and we are that (or one) part of the universe that is self-aware. |
fishbulb703 |
Jun-11-10 02:50 PM |
#100 |
| -
Okay, that last statement made sense. |
FiveGoodMen |
Jun-11-10 02:57 PM |
#102 |
| -
:) |
fishbulb703 |
Jun-11-10 03:05 PM |
#104 |
| -
:) |
FiveGoodMen |
Jun-11-10 03:21 PM |
#112 |
| -
depends, imo. WILLFUL ignorance = stupidity in my book. |
piratefish08 |
Jun-11-10 06:34 AM |
#41 |
| -
"I don't care" != "nobody cares" |
Posteritatis |
Jun-11-10 01:08 PM |
#64 |
| -
They don't understand it. |
Codeine |
Jun-11-10 01:58 AM |
#3 |
| -
This is true, and I don't understand why people act this way... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 02:29 AM |
#14 |
| -
It's a mix of that and the "no opinion can be wrong" bullshit |
Posteritatis |
Jun-11-10 01:06 PM |
#61 |
| -
Of course it makes no sense, but it doesn't have to |
lob1 |
Jun-11-10 02:00 AM |
#4 |
| -
They have lazy minds. n/t |
LuvNewcastle |
Jun-11-10 02:00 AM |
#5 |
| -
He was speaking about the mechanization of the world. |
FedUpWithIt All |
Jun-11-10 02:13 AM |
#11 |
| -
"Monsanto is science. Oil exploration is science. Television is science." |
UndertheOcean |
Jun-11-10 02:17 AM |
#12 |
| -
My post went completely over your head, didn't it? |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 02:21 AM |
#13 |
| -
I have an education that ended at a 9th grade level. I understand concepts even if i am limited |
FedUpWithIt All |
Jun-11-10 02:42 AM |
#16 |
| -
The applications of science are saving us. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jun-11-10 02:45 AM |
#18 |
| -
I guess time will tell if we have benefited or not from our advancements. |
FedUpWithIt All |
Jun-11-10 02:49 AM |
#19 |
| -
What do you mean "short term benefit". Do you think more people should be dying? |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jun-11-10 02:52 AM |
#21 |
| -
More people ARE dying. Just not where you live. n/t |
FedUpWithIt All |
Jun-11-10 02:55 AM |
#24 |
| -
Where? More people die because we have larger populations. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jun-11-10 02:57 AM |
#25 |
| -
More people are dying because advancement carries with it the broad destruction of natural resources |
FedUpWithIt All |
Jun-11-10 03:10 AM |
#30 |
| -
So you would like a smaller population. How would you like to achieve that? |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jun-11-10 03:13 AM |
#32 |
| -
Again, population is not the problem IMO. |
FedUpWithIt All |
Jun-11-10 03:16 AM |
#33 |
| -
Medical advancement has few negative benefits other than saving the sick and keeping the elderly |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jun-11-10 03:18 AM |
#34 |
| -
Really? How Do You Feel About |
NashVegas |
Jun-12-10 11:17 AM |
#173 |
| -
They Are Saving Individual Lives At the Expense of the Greater Race |
NashVegas |
Jun-11-10 03:58 PM |
#128 |
| -
The applications of ignorance are what is truly killing us... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 03:19 AM |
#35 |
| -
LOL |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-11-10 03:19 PM |
#109 |
| -
Thanks for sharing... |
FedUpWithIt All |
Jun-11-10 05:08 PM |
#137 |
| -
You're just running your own hobby horse into Prince Charles's. |
Zix |
Jun-11-10 03:21 AM |
#36 |
| -
No, he and I are at opposite ends of the spectrum, he believes in some really odd... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 12:29 PM |
#47 |
| -
I actually think he was attacking capitalism |
BootinUp |
Jun-11-10 03:02 PM |
#103 |
| -
Real socialist, that Prince of Wales. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-11-10 03:07 PM |
#105 |
| -
He's divine, doesn't count. lol. |
BootinUp |
Jun-11-10 03:08 PM |
#107 |
| -
The bible is the source of all of our ills?? |
Angry Dragon |
Jun-11-10 02:53 AM |
#22 |
| -
The Bible is the most influencial book ever written in western civilization... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 03:11 AM |
#31 |
| -
"its the most reliable method we have in figuring out how the world works." |
The2ndWheel |
Jun-11-10 05:55 AM |
#38 |
| -
Subject to to the laws of nature means allowing the weak among us to die |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jun-11-10 06:32 AM |
#40 |
| -
I really HATE this missapplication of Evolutionary theory. |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 12:25 PM |
#46 |
| -
If people want to pretend that all of our ills come from science and technology, fine |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jun-11-10 12:59 PM |
#56 |
| -
I was simply stating that we don't like being subject to the laws of nature |
The2ndWheel |
Jun-11-10 02:34 PM |
#91 |
| -
I'm talking socially its changed our view of ourselves... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 12:20 PM |
#44 |
| -
So the use of science allows us to increase our domination of the planet |
The2ndWheel |
Jun-11-10 02:38 PM |
#94 |
| -
Better living through ignorance? |
Silent3 |
Jun-11-10 03:29 PM |
#116 |
| -
That seems like a waste of time and energy. |
Confusious |
Jun-11-10 03:55 PM |
#127 |
| -
We (you and I) agree. nt |
BootinUp |
Jun-11-10 06:02 AM |
#39 |
| -
At some point in many people's lives science starts to diverge from their beliefs. |
Forkboy |
Jun-11-10 06:41 AM |
#42 |
| -
Indeed. It's fun watching Reductionists come up with a way to explain Altruism. |
KittyWampus |
Jun-11-10 12:39 PM |
#51 |
| -
We observe altruism in many primate groups. |
trotsky |
Jun-11-10 02:25 PM |
#87 |
| -
What's that supposed to mean, altruism is a benefit to intelligent social animals... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 03:19 PM |
#110 |
| -
It's fun watching people making fools of themselves using "reductionist" as an epithet. |
Odin2005 |
Jun-13-10 01:55 AM |
#182 |
| -
Well put, Forkboy. n/t |
Desertrose |
Jun-11-10 01:08 PM |
#65 |
| -
Ignorance of scientific method is rampant on the left and right - and people believe their own ideas |
stray cat |
Jun-11-10 07:02 AM |
#43 |
| -
This |
NeedleCast |
Jun-11-10 01:05 PM |
#60 |
| -
Charles critiqued the Mindset. He did NOT BLAME GALILEO. Pretty ironic you attempt |
KittyWampus |
Jun-11-10 12:36 PM |
#48 |
| -
According to some (many) it is... |
Desertrose |
Jun-11-10 01:10 PM |
#66 |
| -
"Materialism is NOT the de facto Philosophy of Science." |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-11-10 01:14 PM |
#67 |
| -
Still mad about the moon bombing, eh? |
Warren DeMontague |
Jun-11-10 01:15 PM |
#68 |
| -
That, and people still teaching the theory of evilution. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-11-10 01:18 PM |
#69 |
| -
Materialism predates the modern scientific method by centuries... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 03:36 PM |
#121 |
| -
It's hard. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-11-10 12:37 PM |
#49 |
| -
"It makes me want to go poopy." |
BootinUp |
Jun-11-10 12:44 PM |
#53 |
| -
Meaning |
harun |
Jun-11-10 12:46 PM |
#54 |
| -
Might help if |
BootinUp |
Jun-11-10 12:58 PM |
#55 |
| -
Example |
harun |
Jun-11-10 02:04 PM |
#82 |
| -
Gotcha, Social Darwinism bad |
BootinUp |
Jun-11-10 02:35 PM |
#92 |
| -
Um, science DOES tell you why water freezes at 32 degrees Farenheit. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-11-10 01:01 PM |
#57 |
| -
What do you think the meaning of water freezing is? |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jun-11-10 01:05 PM |
#59 |
| -
it blinds me |
HughMoran |
Jun-11-10 01:06 PM |
#62 |
| -
It assails their willful ignorance with that evil logic. |
Iggo |
Jun-11-10 01:08 PM |
#63 |
| -
You start from a flawed premise |
nichomachus |
Jun-11-10 01:28 PM |
#71 |
| -
But there is a flaw in your logic I think |
BootinUp |
Jun-11-10 01:37 PM |
#74 |
| -
Partly because of "bible study" and "vacation bible school". |
AlinPA |
Jun-11-10 01:44 PM |
#77 |
| -
Who has a problem with science? |
KonaKane |
Jun-11-10 01:45 PM |
#78 |
| -
Life is wonderful and good. |
Iggo |
Jun-11-10 01:57 PM |
#80 |
| -
Because, first off, "one or the other" is a false dichotomy. |
Warren DeMontague |
Jun-11-10 02:45 PM |
#97 |
| -
Leave spirituality out of science and both get on just fine... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 05:56 PM |
#142 |
| -
Albert Einstein disagreed with you. |
KonaKane |
Jun-11-10 06:01 PM |
#145 |
| -
Einstein wasn't a perfect being, he wasn't even right about quantum theory... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 06:17 PM |
#147 |
| -
The Slacker! |
BootinUp |
Jun-11-10 06:34 PM |
#151 |
| -
Ah, the old expert in another field trick |
Bert |
Jun-11-10 09:18 PM |
#159 |
| -
Eistein was a Pantheist who mean "religion" in a far different way than... |
Odin2005 |
Jun-13-10 02:01 AM |
#183 |
| -
so... what do you say to those looking into spirituality effecting the human body in a scientific |
seabeyond |
Jun-11-10 06:14 PM |
#146 |
| -
Well, two things, first is that the physiology of the affects of the mind... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 06:22 PM |
#148 |
| -
It's not a science problem. It's a religious extremism and willful ignorance problem. |
Heidi |
Jun-11-10 01:58 PM |
#81 |
| -
Agreed for the most part, but what is willfully ignorant about |
KonaKane |
Jun-11-10 02:25 PM |
#88 |
| -
Both the problems you raised aren't problems with science, but religion. n/t |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 04:34 PM |
#134 |
| -
Incorrect. The Gulf spill is the best and most horrifying example on my side. |
KonaKane |
Jun-11-10 05:58 PM |
#143 |
| -
Science in disregard of nature isn't science... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 06:27 PM |
#149 |
| -
What happened in the gulf had everything to do with greed. That wasn't science. n/t |
Pithlet |
Jun-12-10 12:19 AM |
#166 |
| -
No, it isn't. It's an example of short-term greed without care for the world |
LeftishBrit |
Jun-13-10 02:23 AM |
#185 |
| -
Why would anyone care what a half witted product of incest have to say |
WCGreen |
Jun-11-10 02:22 PM |
#86 |
| -
My problem is with scientists (just like my problems are not with religion, but it's preachers) |
The Straight Story |
Jun-11-10 02:27 PM |
#89 |
| -
As opposed to priests |
Bert |
Jun-11-10 03:26 PM |
#115 |
| -
OK, your post illustrates all that is wrong with science education today... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 03:29 PM |
#117 |
| -
Ignorance is more in how and why you disagree... |
Silent3 |
Jun-11-10 03:47 PM |
#125 |
| -
I agree with you and the "scientists" writing rude posts |
Tumbulu |
Jun-12-10 01:21 AM |
#169 |
| -
It's easier to live in an imaginary, two dimensional cardboard box of fairy tales |
Warren DeMontague |
Jun-11-10 02:46 PM |
#99 |
| -
"Ah, Hickey, you've taken the magic out of the whiskey." Eugene O'Neill from "The Iceman Cometh". |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jun-11-10 02:57 PM |
#101 |
| -
I need to add another comment |
BootinUp |
Jun-11-10 03:07 PM |
#106 |
| -
I think it's because... |
LanternWaste |
Jun-11-10 03:20 PM |
#111 |
| -
when fad science like evolutionary behavior is used in order to promote agenda |
seabeyond |
Jun-11-10 03:29 PM |
#118 |
| -
Because they don't know what science is, look at post 89. n/t |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 03:31 PM |
#119 |
| -
not sure what post 89 had to do with it, but there are posters on this thread |
seabeyond |
Jun-11-10 03:36 PM |
#122 |
| -
Those scientists with agendas generally stop being respected scientists... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 03:41 PM |
#123 |
| -
Doesn't Matter |
NashVegas |
Jun-11-10 04:10 PM |
#130 |
| -
That just illustrates the importance for scientists to be independent and have free... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 04:31 PM |
#133 |
| -
Again, Doesn't Matter |
NashVegas |
Jun-11-10 05:12 PM |
#139 |
| -
Alfred Nobel created a device that helped miners go home without being maimed... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 05:37 PM |
#140 |
| -
Bullshit |
NashVegas |
Jun-12-10 11:28 AM |
#174 |
| -
Thats right- you wrote what I wanted to say far more eloquently (nt) |
Tumbulu |
Jun-12-10 01:27 AM |
#170 |
| -
and this is why science is having a tough time. anything wrong will be proven |
seabeyond |
Jun-11-10 04:13 PM |
#131 |
| -
Why did you reverse what I said basically happens in scientific fields? |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 04:23 PM |
#132 |
| -
you are out to win the argument, prove your point |
seabeyond |
Jun-11-10 05:08 PM |
#138 |
| -
What agenda do I have? |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 05:49 PM |
#141 |
| -
Science continually tries to prove itself wrong. |
BootinUp |
Jun-11-10 05:58 PM |
#144 |
| -
And that's also why it works. n/t |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 06:30 PM |
#150 |
| -
Here is my take |
Bert |
Jun-11-10 03:32 PM |
#120 |
| -
I imagine the corollary is also true. |
LanternWaste |
Jun-11-10 03:44 PM |
#124 |
| -
What corollary would that be? |
Bert |
Jun-11-10 04:51 PM |
#136 |
| -
If someone followed me around, correctly proving everything I say is wrong, I'd hate them too. -nt |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jun-11-10 03:53 PM |
#126 |
| -
OK, I promise not to stalk you anymore. |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 04:34 PM |
#135 |
| -
Unrec because you've misunderstood what Prince Charles said. |
earth mom |
Jun-11-10 06:35 PM |
#152 |
| -
You've just taken what you want say and grafted your preferred meaning... |
Silent3 |
Jun-11-10 07:31 PM |
#153 |
| -
Much like those who believe in the bible |
Bert |
Jun-11-10 09:24 PM |
#160 |
| -
well if that was what he meant then he's still an idiot |
dana_b |
Jun-13-10 02:12 AM |
#184 |
| -
If you really want an answer, do some research into other world-views: |
Ignis |
Jun-11-10 08:23 PM |
#157 |
| -
What has science done for the world? |
yawnmaster |
Jun-11-10 08:44 PM |
#158 |
| -
I hope you are kidding. |
Bert |
Jun-11-10 09:25 PM |
#161 |
| -
Yes, I am typing on a computer... |
yawnmaster |
Jun-12-10 10:29 PM |
#176 |
| -
Let's see, Germ theory allowed us to figure out the causes... |
Cleobulus |
Jun-11-10 09:29 PM |
#162 |
| -
yes these are all things that science has created... |
yawnmaster |
Jun-12-10 10:26 PM |
#175 |
| -
...he asks, on the Internet... (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Jun-11-10 11:43 PM |
#164 |
| -
yes, I am using the technology that science has allowed us to create... |
yawnmaster |
Jun-12-10 10:31 PM |
#177 |
| -
That's, by far, the dumbest question I have ever read here on DU. |
Lucian |
Jun-11-10 11:51 PM |
#165 |
| -
And therefore the answer should be very simple!... |
yawnmaster |
Jun-12-10 10:34 PM |
#178 |
| -
You're asking what science has done for this world. |
Lucian |
Jun-12-10 11:05 PM |
#180 |
| -
now go beyond that and answer if the things science has done for the world adds to the world... |
yawnmaster |
Jun-13-10 11:42 AM |
#187 |
| -
Funny word, that. Dominion. |
flvegan |
Jun-11-10 09:38 PM |
#163 |
| -
"Stupid" came to mind first - I see I was not alone in that conclusion. |
old mark |
Jun-12-10 05:39 AM |
#171 |
| -
Science doesn't undermine religion. Religion undermines science. (nt) |
Dr Morbius |
Jun-12-10 05:45 AM |
#172 |
| -
because it clashes with religious fairy tales |
Skittles |
Jun-12-10 10:35 PM |
#179 |
| -
Because most people are willfully ignorant and prefer fantasy over reality. |
Odin2005 |
Jun-13-10 01:49 AM |
#181 |
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