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33. Again, population is not the problem IMO.
The vanity of the wealthy and their selfish greed and consumption of the few at the expense of the many is.

But again, i am off to bed.

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  -Why do people have such a problem with science? Cleobulus  Jun-11-10 01:52 AM   #0 
  - Most people are stupid anyway (by most I mean 95%) , who cares.  UndertheOcean   Jun-11-10 01:54 AM   #1 
  - I don't believe that, and you shouldn't either...  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 01:57 AM   #2 
  - Whether the Human species survives or not is of no consequence to the Universe  UndertheOcean   Jun-11-10 02:02 AM   #6 
  - Yeah, but I would hope my fellow humans would care about it...  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 02:04 AM   #7 
  - I think for our sake we need to evolve a little more.  UndertheOcean   Jun-11-10 02:07 AM   #8 
     - If you truly feel that way, please, you go first. n/t  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 02:12 AM   #9 
     - All of us are going , :) dust to dust and all , so I won't be lonely  UndertheOcean   Jun-11-10 02:13 AM   #10 
     - I have to agree with Undertheocean and I also agree with you.  liberal_at_heart   Jun-11-10 07:49 PM   #154 
     - See, even here, severe ignorance about evolution  Chulanowa   Jun-11-10 02:39 AM   #15 
     - explain thyself  UndertheOcean   Jun-11-10 02:42 AM   #17 
     - An animal doesn't say "I choose to evolve today"  SemiCharmedQuark   Jun-11-10 02:49 AM   #20 
     - "An animal doesn't say "I choose to evolve today""  UndertheOcean   Jun-11-10 02:53 AM   #23 
        - How do you see humans "evolving" more for "our" sake?  SemiCharmedQuark   Jun-11-10 03:00 AM   #26 
           - "our" was meant figuratively , a label of our collective species and its descendants  UndertheOcean   Jun-11-10 03:03 AM   #27 
     - "We need to evolve a little more?"  Chulanowa   Jun-11-10 03:31 AM   #37 
        - +1  guitar man   Jun-11-10 01:43 PM   #76 
        - Ok, I will stand in for her  Bert   Jun-11-10 03:24 PM   #114 
        - You are being rude and give anyone reading your post the impression  Tumbulu   Jun-12-10 12:57 AM   #168 
     - I'm glad someone caught that.  NeedleCast   Jun-11-10 12:25 PM   #45 
     - Hey, atheists, if God doesn't exist then why did 9-11 happen?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jun-11-10 12:39 PM   #50 
     - Trolling is a art...nt  SidDithers   Jun-11-10 03:23 PM   #113 
     - Implying I should correct "a" to "an."  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jun-11-10 04:03 PM   #129 
     - No other explanation is possible  Bert   Jun-12-10 12:42 AM   #167 
     - A bit harsh, but your point is valid.  Ignis   Jun-11-10 08:19 PM   #156 
     - KUDOS for the excellent Morbo reference. nm  Richard Steele   Jun-13-10 02:30 AM   #186 
     - It's refreshing to see your idea expressed here on DU.  Trillo   Jun-11-10 12:42 PM   #52 
     - What does "deserve" have to do with it?  Silent3   Jun-11-10 03:17 PM   #108 
        - Nice post +100  Confusious   Jun-11-10 08:05 PM   #155 
  - Whaaa...are we not the Masters of Le Universe? Destined to spread French everywhere?  opihimoimoi   Jun-11-10 03:04 AM   #28 
  - Non .  UndertheOcean   Jun-11-10 03:06 AM   #29 
  - Absolutely wrong. We are the Universe, of course we care if we survive or not. You are promoting  fishbulb703   Jun-11-10 01:02 PM   #58 
     - "We are the Universe"  FiveGoodMen   Jun-11-10 01:20 PM   #70 
        - Yup. Where do you think all those elements come from? nt  fishbulb703   Jun-11-10 01:31 PM   #72 
           - Wait, wait ... don't tell me...  FiveGoodMen   Jun-11-10 01:34 PM   #73 
              - No, when stars die they explode and their matter eventually becomes distant humans. :D  fishbulb703   Jun-11-10 01:43 PM   #75 
                 - ...which hardly makes us the universe  FiveGoodMen   Jun-11-10 01:46 PM   #79 
                    - So the universe is stars? What separates us from the universe?  fishbulb703   Jun-11-10 02:13 PM   #83 
                       - "If the hairs in your shower could think and talk, then yes they probably would claim to be you"  FiveGoodMen   Jun-11-10 02:20 PM   #84 
                          - Uh, distance along field lines.... so that makes us not the universe and the universe is stars?  fishbulb703   Jun-11-10 02:21 PM   #85 
                             - You are not everything. Everything is not you.  FiveGoodMen   Jun-11-10 02:28 PM   #90 
                                - That doesn't make sense. The universe is necessarily "all". Choose a new word. nt  fishbulb703   Jun-11-10 02:36 PM   #93 
                                   - The UNIVERSE is all.  FiveGoodMen   Jun-11-10 02:43 PM   #95 
                                      - Yes, we are a part of the universe. Do you know how Venn diagrams work?  fishbulb703   Jun-11-10 02:45 PM   #96 
                                         - A PART is not the WHOLE.  FiveGoodMen   Jun-11-10 02:46 PM   #98 
                                            - Yes, and we are that (or one) part of the universe that is self-aware.  fishbulb703   Jun-11-10 02:50 PM   #100 
                                               - Okay, that last statement made sense.  FiveGoodMen   Jun-11-10 02:57 PM   #102 
                                               - :)  fishbulb703   Jun-11-10 03:05 PM   #104 
                                               - :)  FiveGoodMen   Jun-11-10 03:21 PM   #112 
  - depends, imo. WILLFUL ignorance = stupidity in my book.  piratefish08   Jun-11-10 06:34 AM   #41 
  - "I don't care" != "nobody cares"  Posteritatis   Jun-11-10 01:08 PM   #64 
  - They don't understand it.  Codeine   Jun-11-10 01:58 AM   #3 
  - This is true, and I don't understand why people act this way...  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 02:29 AM   #14 
     - It's a mix of that and the "no opinion can be wrong" bullshit  Posteritatis   Jun-11-10 01:06 PM   #61 
  - Of course it makes no sense, but it doesn't have to  lob1   Jun-11-10 02:00 AM   #4 
  - They have lazy minds. n/t  LuvNewcastle   Jun-11-10 02:00 AM   #5 
  - He was speaking about the mechanization of the world.  FedUpWithIt All   Jun-11-10 02:13 AM   #11 
  - "Monsanto is science. Oil exploration is science. Television is science."  UndertheOcean   Jun-11-10 02:17 AM   #12 
  - My post went completely over your head, didn't it?  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 02:21 AM   #13 
  - I have an education that ended at a 9th grade level. I understand concepts even if i am limited  FedUpWithIt All   Jun-11-10 02:42 AM   #16 
  - The applications of science are saving us.  SemiCharmedQuark   Jun-11-10 02:45 AM   #18 
  - I guess time will tell if we have benefited or not from our advancements.  FedUpWithIt All   Jun-11-10 02:49 AM   #19 
  - What do you mean "short term benefit". Do you think more people should be dying?  SemiCharmedQuark   Jun-11-10 02:52 AM   #21 
     - More people ARE dying. Just not where you live. n/t  FedUpWithIt All   Jun-11-10 02:55 AM   #24 
        - Where? More people die because we have larger populations.  SemiCharmedQuark   Jun-11-10 02:57 AM   #25 
           - More people are dying because advancement carries with it the broad destruction of natural resources  FedUpWithIt All   Jun-11-10 03:10 AM   #30 
              - So you would like a smaller population. How would you like to achieve that?  SemiCharmedQuark   Jun-11-10 03:13 AM   #32 
                 - Again, population is not the problem IMO.  FedUpWithIt All   Jun-11-10 03:16 AM   #33 
                    - Medical advancement has few negative benefits other than saving the sick and keeping the elderly  SemiCharmedQuark   Jun-11-10 03:18 AM   #34 
                       - Really? How Do You Feel About  NashVegas   Jun-12-10 11:17 AM   #173 
  - They Are Saving Individual Lives At the Expense of the Greater Race  NashVegas   Jun-11-10 03:58 PM   #128 
  - The applications of ignorance are what is truly killing us...  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 03:19 AM   #35 
  - LOL  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jun-11-10 03:19 PM   #109 
     - Thanks for sharing...  FedUpWithIt All   Jun-11-10 05:08 PM   #137 
  - You're just running your own hobby horse into Prince Charles's.  Zix   Jun-11-10 03:21 AM   #36 
     - No, he and I are at opposite ends of the spectrum, he believes in some really odd...  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 12:29 PM   #47 
  - I actually think he was attacking capitalism  BootinUp   Jun-11-10 03:02 PM   #103 
     - Real socialist, that Prince of Wales.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jun-11-10 03:07 PM   #105 
        - He's divine, doesn't count. lol.  BootinUp   Jun-11-10 03:08 PM   #107 
  - The bible is the source of all of our ills??  Angry Dragon   Jun-11-10 02:53 AM   #22 
  - The Bible is the most influencial book ever written in western civilization...  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 03:11 AM   #31 
  - "its the most reliable method we have in figuring out how the world works."  The2ndWheel   Jun-11-10 05:55 AM   #38 
  - Subject to to the laws of nature means allowing the weak among us to die  SemiCharmedQuark   Jun-11-10 06:32 AM   #40 
  - I really HATE this missapplication of Evolutionary theory.  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 12:25 PM   #46 
  - If people want to pretend that all of our ills come from science and technology, fine  SemiCharmedQuark   Jun-11-10 12:59 PM   #56 
  - I was simply stating that we don't like being subject to the laws of nature  The2ndWheel   Jun-11-10 02:34 PM   #91 
  - I'm talking socially its changed our view of ourselves...  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 12:20 PM   #44 
  - So the use of science allows us to increase our domination of the planet  The2ndWheel   Jun-11-10 02:38 PM   #94 
  - Better living through ignorance?  Silent3   Jun-11-10 03:29 PM   #116 
  - That seems like a waste of time and energy.  Confusious   Jun-11-10 03:55 PM   #127 
  - We (you and I) agree. nt  BootinUp   Jun-11-10 06:02 AM   #39 
  - At some point in many people's lives science starts to diverge from their beliefs.  Forkboy   Jun-11-10 06:41 AM   #42 
  - Indeed. It's fun watching Reductionists come up with a way to explain Altruism.  KittyWampus   Jun-11-10 12:39 PM   #51 
  - We observe altruism in many primate groups.  trotsky   Jun-11-10 02:25 PM   #87 
  - What's that supposed to mean, altruism is a benefit to intelligent social animals...  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 03:19 PM   #110 
  - It's fun watching people making fools of themselves using "reductionist" as an epithet.  Odin2005   Jun-13-10 01:55 AM   #182 
  - Well put, Forkboy. n/t  Desertrose   Jun-11-10 01:08 PM   #65 
  - Ignorance of scientific method is rampant on the left and right - and people believe their own ideas  stray cat   Jun-11-10 07:02 AM   #43 
  - This  NeedleCast   Jun-11-10 01:05 PM   #60 
  - Charles critiqued the Mindset. He did NOT BLAME GALILEO. Pretty ironic you attempt  KittyWampus   Jun-11-10 12:36 PM   #48 
  - According to some (many) it is...  Desertrose   Jun-11-10 01:10 PM   #66 
  - "Materialism is NOT the de facto Philosophy of Science."  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jun-11-10 01:14 PM   #67 
  - Still mad about the moon bombing, eh?  Warren DeMontague   Jun-11-10 01:15 PM   #68 
  - That, and people still teaching the theory of evilution.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jun-11-10 01:18 PM   #69 
  - Materialism predates the modern scientific method by centuries...  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 03:36 PM   #121 
  - It's hard.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jun-11-10 12:37 PM   #49 
  - "It makes me want to go poopy."  BootinUp   Jun-11-10 12:44 PM   #53 
  - Meaning  harun   Jun-11-10 12:46 PM   #54 
  - Might help if  BootinUp   Jun-11-10 12:58 PM   #55 
  - Example  harun   Jun-11-10 02:04 PM   #82 
     - Gotcha, Social Darwinism bad  BootinUp   Jun-11-10 02:35 PM   #92 
  - Um, science DOES tell you why water freezes at 32 degrees Farenheit.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jun-11-10 01:01 PM   #57 
  - What do you think the meaning of water freezing is?  SemiCharmedQuark   Jun-11-10 01:05 PM   #59 
  - it blinds me  HughMoran   Jun-11-10 01:06 PM   #62 
  - It assails their willful ignorance with that evil logic.  Iggo   Jun-11-10 01:08 PM   #63 
  - You start from a flawed premise  nichomachus   Jun-11-10 01:28 PM   #71 
  - But there is a flaw in your logic I think  BootinUp   Jun-11-10 01:37 PM   #74 
  - Partly because of "bible study" and "vacation bible school".  AlinPA   Jun-11-10 01:44 PM   #77 
  - Who has a problem with science?  KonaKane   Jun-11-10 01:45 PM   #78 
  - Life is wonderful and good.  Iggo   Jun-11-10 01:57 PM   #80 
  - Because, first off, "one or the other" is a false dichotomy.  Warren DeMontague   Jun-11-10 02:45 PM   #97 
  - Leave spirituality out of science and both get on just fine...  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 05:56 PM   #142 
     - Albert Einstein disagreed with you.  KonaKane   Jun-11-10 06:01 PM   #145 
     - Einstein wasn't a perfect being, he wasn't even right about quantum theory...  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 06:17 PM   #147 
     - The Slacker!  BootinUp   Jun-11-10 06:34 PM   #151 
     - Ah, the old expert in another field trick  Bert   Jun-11-10 09:18 PM   #159 
     - Eistein was a Pantheist who mean "religion" in a far different way than...  Odin2005   Jun-13-10 02:01 AM   #183 
     - so... what do you say to those looking into spirituality effecting the human body in a scientific  seabeyond   Jun-11-10 06:14 PM   #146 
        - Well, two things, first is that the physiology of the affects of the mind...  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 06:22 PM   #148 
  - It's not a science problem. It's a religious extremism and willful ignorance problem.  Heidi   Jun-11-10 01:58 PM   #81 
  - Agreed for the most part, but what is willfully ignorant about  KonaKane   Jun-11-10 02:25 PM   #88 
     - Both the problems you raised aren't problems with science, but religion. n/t  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 04:34 PM   #134 
        - Incorrect. The Gulf spill is the best and most horrifying example on my side.  KonaKane   Jun-11-10 05:58 PM   #143 
           - Science in disregard of nature isn't science...  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 06:27 PM   #149 
           - What happened in the gulf had everything to do with greed. That wasn't science. n/t  Pithlet   Jun-12-10 12:19 AM   #166 
           - No, it isn't. It's an example of short-term greed without care for the world  LeftishBrit   Jun-13-10 02:23 AM   #185 
  - Why would anyone care what a half witted product of incest have to say  WCGreen   Jun-11-10 02:22 PM   #86 
  - My problem is with scientists (just like my problems are not with religion, but it's preachers)  The Straight Story   Jun-11-10 02:27 PM   #89 
  - As opposed to priests  Bert   Jun-11-10 03:26 PM   #115 
  - OK, your post illustrates all that is wrong with science education today...  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 03:29 PM   #117 
  - Ignorance is more in how and why you disagree...  Silent3   Jun-11-10 03:47 PM   #125 
  - I agree with you and the "scientists" writing rude posts  Tumbulu   Jun-12-10 01:21 AM   #169 
  - It's easier to live in an imaginary, two dimensional cardboard box of fairy tales  Warren DeMontague   Jun-11-10 02:46 PM   #99 
  - "Ah, Hickey, you've taken the magic out of the whiskey." Eugene O'Neill from "The Iceman Cometh".  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jun-11-10 02:57 PM   #101 
  - I need to add another comment  BootinUp   Jun-11-10 03:07 PM   #106 
  - I think it's because...  LanternWaste   Jun-11-10 03:20 PM   #111 
  - when fad science like evolutionary behavior is used in order to promote agenda  seabeyond   Jun-11-10 03:29 PM   #118 
  - Because they don't know what science is, look at post 89. n/t  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 03:31 PM   #119 
     - not sure what post 89 had to do with it, but there are posters on this thread  seabeyond   Jun-11-10 03:36 PM   #122 
        - Those scientists with agendas generally stop being respected scientists...  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 03:41 PM   #123 
           - Doesn't Matter  NashVegas   Jun-11-10 04:10 PM   #130 
           - That just illustrates the importance for scientists to be independent and have free...  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 04:31 PM   #133 
              - Again, Doesn't Matter  NashVegas   Jun-11-10 05:12 PM   #139 
                 - Alfred Nobel created a device that helped miners go home without being maimed...  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 05:37 PM   #140 
                 - Bullshit  NashVegas   Jun-12-10 11:28 AM   #174 
                 - Thats right- you wrote what I wanted to say far more eloquently (nt)  Tumbulu   Jun-12-10 01:27 AM   #170 
           - and this is why science is having a tough time. anything wrong will be proven  seabeyond   Jun-11-10 04:13 PM   #131 
           - Why did you reverse what I said basically happens in scientific fields?  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 04:23 PM   #132 
              - you are out to win the argument, prove your point  seabeyond   Jun-11-10 05:08 PM   #138 
                 - What agenda do I have?  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 05:49 PM   #141 
           - Science continually tries to prove itself wrong.  BootinUp   Jun-11-10 05:58 PM   #144 
              - And that's also why it works. n/t  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 06:30 PM   #150 
  - Here is my take  Bert   Jun-11-10 03:32 PM   #120 
  - I imagine the corollary is also true.  LanternWaste   Jun-11-10 03:44 PM   #124 
     - What corollary would that be?  Bert   Jun-11-10 04:51 PM   #136 
  - If someone followed me around, correctly proving everything I say is wrong, I'd hate them too. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jun-11-10 03:53 PM   #126 
  - OK, I promise not to stalk you anymore.  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 04:34 PM   #135 
  - Unrec because you've misunderstood what Prince Charles said.  earth mom   Jun-11-10 06:35 PM   #152 
  - You've just taken what you want say and grafted your preferred meaning...  Silent3   Jun-11-10 07:31 PM   #153 
  - Much like those who believe in the bible  Bert   Jun-11-10 09:24 PM   #160 
  - well if that was what he meant then he's still an idiot  dana_b   Jun-13-10 02:12 AM   #184 
  - If you really want an answer, do some research into other world-views:  Ignis   Jun-11-10 08:23 PM   #157 
  - What has science done for the world?  yawnmaster   Jun-11-10 08:44 PM   #158 
  - I hope you are kidding.  Bert   Jun-11-10 09:25 PM   #161 
  - Yes, I am typing on a computer...  yawnmaster   Jun-12-10 10:29 PM   #176 
  - Let's see, Germ theory allowed us to figure out the causes...  Cleobulus   Jun-11-10 09:29 PM   #162 
  - yes these are all things that science has created...  yawnmaster   Jun-12-10 10:26 PM   #175 
  - ...he asks, on the Internet... (nt)  Posteritatis   Jun-11-10 11:43 PM   #164 
  - yes, I am using the technology that science has allowed us to create...  yawnmaster   Jun-12-10 10:31 PM   #177 
  - That's, by far, the dumbest question I have ever read here on DU.  Lucian   Jun-11-10 11:51 PM   #165 
     - And therefore the answer should be very simple!...  yawnmaster   Jun-12-10 10:34 PM   #178 
        - You're asking what science has done for this world.  Lucian   Jun-12-10 11:05 PM   #180 
           - now go beyond that and answer if the things science has done for the world adds to the world...  yawnmaster   Jun-13-10 11:42 AM   #187 
  - Funny word, that. Dominion.  flvegan   Jun-11-10 09:38 PM   #163 
  - "Stupid" came to mind first - I see I was not alone in that conclusion.  old mark   Jun-12-10 05:39 AM   #171 
  - Science doesn't undermine religion. Religion undermines science. (nt)  Dr Morbius   Jun-12-10 05:45 AM   #172 
  - because it clashes with religious fairy tales  Skittles   Jun-12-10 10:35 PM   #179 
  - Because most people are willfully ignorant and prefer fantasy over reality.  Odin2005   Jun-13-10 01:49 AM   #181 

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