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Sat Jun-12-10 12:27 AM
Response to Reply #103 |
| 112. i re-read your post and i stand by everything i said. |
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Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 12:28 AM by tomp
perhaps you could open your mind to what you read. Here's what you said:
"Now, if you want to say Obama is totally caving in on principle by not prosecuting former administration torturers and traitors, then I'm right there with you."
I take that to mean you agree he is totally caving on principle. I don't see how it could be read any other way. So, when I said, "...ONLY caving on principle," I didn't mean that's the entirety obama was doing. I meant it as MERELY caving on principle, as in, " We,ll if it's JUST principle we're talking about what's the big deal?" It could just as easily have been read that way.....unless, of course, you had made up your mind in advance that anyone who didn't agree with you must be twisting things like a wingnut.
By the way, your cavalier use of the wingnut label is pretty McCarthyesque, and I'm going to ask you to stop it. Then you have the arrognace to suggest that my posting doesn't fit right on du. Check the rules, pal. I'm pretty sure Skinner has clearly said he doesn't want these types of terms thrown around loosely.
Then in this post you say, "...so long as there are laws on the books, it is the responsibility of the Executive branch to enforce them." And I ask you, all of them, or just the ones obama selects? How many laws did bush/cheny, inc. break? I repeat: selective prosecution is political harassment.
As for the Powell issue, well...if you can't see that, you're just fucking hopeless, and much less intelligent than you take yourself to be, and than i initially took you to be.
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| -Daniel Ellsberg: "'Obama Deceives the Public" |
Dawson Leery |
Jun-10-10 05:42 PM |
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Jun-10-10 05:44 PM |
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Obama says he will not "look backward.". |
Autumn |
Jun-10-10 05:53 PM |
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Those who refuse to look back |
burnsei sensei |
Jun-11-10 03:48 PM |
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Pelosi, Waxman, Conyers....all those we relied on say: "We will not look backward to the Mistakes |
KoKo |
Jun-11-10 04:54 PM |
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k&r! nt |
wildbilln864 |
Jun-10-10 06:01 PM |
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Apparwently lots of what was said about this got deleted, so I will only say, |
joeybee12 |
Jun-10-10 06:02 PM |
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Deleted message |
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Jun-10-10 06:03 PM |
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So we can back-date prosecutions for releasing info to reporters, but not for actual torturers. |
Bluebear |
Jun-10-10 06:03 PM |
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. |
Bluebear |
Jun-10-10 07:37 PM |
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Atty. General (Bag) Holder |
Moochy |
Jun-10-10 11:29 PM |
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super selective 'looking backward'...."Obama....is doing....worse than Bush" |
amborin |
Jun-10-10 06:06 PM |
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He's not as bad, but he isn't worthy of another vote either. |
pundaint |
Jun-11-10 11:52 AM |
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Agreed |
lark |
Jun-11-10 12:11 PM |
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Thank you Daniel Ellsberg. |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Jun-10-10 06:06 PM |
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kick |
Dawson Leery |
Jun-10-10 06:28 PM |
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wow... the wheels are coming off the wagon |
fascisthunter |
Jun-10-10 06:37 PM |
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he has never deceived me |
Skittles |
Jun-10-10 06:38 PM |
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There are many who need to believe. Absolutely need to, but you're right. |
stillwaiting |
Jun-10-10 06:54 PM |
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I understand how many people needed to believe |
Skittles |
Jun-12-10 03:50 AM |
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It was a choice between him and Hilary. |
PassingFair |
Jun-12-10 02:25 PM |
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Same here. A few of us were fully aware of what he really stood for. |
Dawson Leery |
Jun-10-10 07:08 PM |
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Jun-11-10 12:14 PM |
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I'm ashamed to say he deceived me for the first |
Raine |
Jun-10-10 08:23 PM |
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No, you only deceive yourself. |
johnaries |
Jun-10-10 11:31 PM |
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Uhmmm yeeeeeah.... that didn't sound Orwellian at all... |
liberation |
Jun-11-10 12:09 AM |
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Ah yeah... |
SammyWinstonJack |
Jun-11-10 09:15 AM |
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keep telling yourself that |
Skittles |
Jun-12-10 03:48 AM |
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+1 |
Senator |
Jun-11-10 04:40 AM |
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We wanted to believe. |
Enthusiast |
Jun-11-10 09:51 AM |
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if our media won't be focused on this I hope foreign ones will, as it is a grave injustice |
corpseratemedia |
Jun-10-10 06:42 PM |
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kick for teh DU |
mikelgb |
Jun-10-10 06:48 PM |
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This is preposterous. |
ProSense |
Jun-10-10 07:05 PM |
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I guess we'll find out. /nt |
dorkulon |
Jun-10-10 08:03 PM |
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Hmmm, I'd never heard of Thomas Drake before. Interesting. nt |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
Jun-10-10 07:36 PM |
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I'm sure "nobody could've predicted" that, as the mid-terms rolled up, |
Greyhound |
Jun-10-10 07:59 PM |
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K&R willful blindness will not do, folks. |
dorkulon |
Jun-10-10 08:04 PM |
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why is this guy lying and smearing the president? |
laurel46 |
Jun-10-10 08:20 PM |
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Ellsberg doesn't lie. How old are you? |
Individualist |
Jun-10-10 08:22 PM |
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The Pentagon Papers author now a "lying a-hole" for dissing Obama! |
Bluebear |
Jun-10-10 08:26 PM |
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Mind boggling, isn't it?! |
Individualist |
Jun-10-10 08:27 PM |
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Ellsberg was a few years before my time |
Dawson Leery |
Jun-10-10 08:28 PM |
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Good for you, Dawson. |
Individualist |
Jun-10-10 08:31 PM |
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yes I concur..thank you Dawson for caring enough to know this nations history! eom |
flyarm |
Jun-11-10 10:37 AM |
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the age question is an easy one...but what i wonder is ..have any of these types read a damn history |
flyarm |
Jun-11-10 10:36 AM |
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hi individualist, I am 46 and a senior research associate from UCLA. |
laurel46 |
Jun-11-10 01:37 PM |
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He's an 'a-hole'! Daniel Ellsberg never really loved Obama! |
Bluebear |
Jun-10-10 08:22 PM |
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Ellsberg an a-hole ? patently false? |
Autumn |
Jun-10-10 09:17 PM |
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LOL, it took long enough... |
liberation |
Jun-10-10 11:15 PM |
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Wow. What a . . . silly comment |
donco6 |
Jun-10-10 11:29 PM |
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You people just can't face reality, even when the most venerable of critics speaks. |
readmoreoften |
Jun-10-10 11:35 PM |
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She's "calling out" Daniel Ellsberg |
Bluebear |
Jun-11-10 01:20 AM |
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Oh, please. Daniel Ellsberg is not dreamy at all. |
QC |
Jun-11-10 08:41 AM |
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He Can't even Body Surf |
Moochy |
Jun-11-10 09:30 AM |
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And not even once have we seen him wearing cool sunglasses. n/t |
QC |
Jun-11-10 09:46 AM |
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Now that's funny. |
Divine Discontent |
Jun-11-10 01:26 PM |
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I fully grok where you are coming from, |
Moochy |
Jun-11-10 11:24 PM |
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I saw him recently |
Mz Pip |
Jun-11-10 09:51 AM |
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The 60's? Ewwww! That was, like, you know, like so long ago, you know. n/t |
QC |
Jun-11-10 10:34 AM |
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LOL! |
Enthusiast |
Jun-11-10 09:57 AM |
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whats sad about using this as a joke |
Moochy |
Jun-11-10 11:47 PM |
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My goodness-- there's no more room under this bus! |
Marr |
Jun-11-10 10:26 AM |
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Fear not! There is room for all under the Hopemobile! n/t |
QC |
Jun-11-10 10:34 AM |
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A new bus is being constructed from the debris leftover from the Hope and change rhetoric. |
arcadian |
Jun-11-10 10:45 AM |
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It's A Crowded SOB, Isn't It? (nt) |
Dinger |
Jun-11-10 03:57 PM |
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Quote:" Call these a-holes out by fact checking"....may i suggest you do some fact checking on who |
flyarm |
Jun-11-10 10:32 AM |
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She's 46 and a senior research associate |
Bluebear |
Jun-11-10 02:29 PM |
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Fucking low standards at UCLA these days... |
walldude |
Jun-11-10 05:30 PM |
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! |
Bluebear |
Jun-12-10 02:21 PM |
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read up on the pentagon papers.. |
frylock |
Jun-11-10 10:52 AM |
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I'll believe Ellsberg over O --- |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Jun-11-10 11:14 AM |
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Are you going to respond to anyone above? Well??? n/t |
Subdivisions |
Jun-11-10 11:52 AM |
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What has he done for "us" |
lark |
Jun-11-10 12:18 PM |
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Jun-11-10 03:53 PM |
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Do you even know who Daniel Ellsberg is? |
truedelphi |
Jun-11-10 04:44 PM |
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Which "countries have attacked us in multiple ways"? nt |
mix |
Jun-11-10 05:36 PM |
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'Also, an American was assassinated by our friend!' |
Bluebear |
Jun-11-10 11:08 PM |
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an ignorant fantasist, |
mix |
Jun-12-10 09:15 AM |
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Do you not seriously know who "this guy" Danial Elleberg is? |
saracat |
Jun-13-10 05:39 PM |
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If one didn't know better, one might start to wonder if BHO is a way-out-in-right field |
indepat |
Jun-10-10 08:25 PM |
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Jun-10-10 11:39 PM |
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No, he's simply a Clinton-style democrat who ran as a liberal and sold-out to the |
mistertrickster |
Jun-11-10 04:24 PM |
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If it was 1980 he would be. n/t |
Greyhound |
Jun-12-10 01:32 PM |
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we all know how unpatriotic he was when he leaked the Pentagon papers |
G_j |
Jun-10-10 08:46 PM |
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Did Ellsberg prefer Palin/McCain? |
Moochy |
Jun-10-10 11:26 PM |
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A real DUzy! nt |
laughingliberal |
Jun-11-10 08:52 AM |
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He tells you himself, right at the top. |
Dr.Phool |
Jun-11-10 10:22 AM |
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Ellsberg speaks for me. |
Jackpine Radical |
Jun-11-10 11:11 AM |
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good one!! eom |
flyarm |
Jun-11-10 10:43 AM |
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No, he would have preferred a Democrat, if available. n/t |
Admiral Loinpresser |
Jun-11-10 11:40 AM |
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Bada Bing!! ..eom |
flyarm |
Jun-11-10 12:12 PM |
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Most of us would have. |
dflprincess |
Jun-11-10 12:44 PM |
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Ellesberg prefers Mao!!! |
Hawkowl |
Jun-11-10 04:20 PM |
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Definitely unpatriotic! |
Hatchling |
Jun-11-10 01:54 PM |
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I don't know enough... |
Zoroastor |
Jun-10-10 08:59 PM |
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I think he meant... |
liberation |
Jun-10-10 11:27 PM |
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All true, but... |
Zoroastor |
Jun-11-10 08:03 PM |
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dem changes n/t |
Wilms |
Jun-11-10 12:34 AM |
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Oh Puh-leaze. |
The Doctor. |
Jun-11-10 06:29 AM |
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total crap. |
tomp |
Jun-11-10 08:39 AM |
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Nice selectivity. Must be convenient to argue by misquoting. |
The Doctor. |
Jun-11-10 05:37 PM |
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i re-read your post and i stand by everything i said. |
tomp |
Jun-12-10 12:27 AM |
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Sorry, but... |
liberation |
Jun-11-10 09:58 AM |
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In case you haven't noticed, law is complicated. |
The Doctor. |
Jun-11-10 05:50 PM |
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it's all the italics, bolding and all-caps that make this so persuasive |
nashville_brook |
Jun-11-10 12:19 PM |
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I don't trust any post without links to unrelated articles on the internet... |
liberation |
Jun-11-10 02:11 PM |
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blahahahaha! |
nashville_brook |
Jun-12-10 10:07 AM |
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indeed. I'm impressed! |
Bluebear |
Jun-11-10 03:58 PM |
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i'm dazzled. |
nashville_brook |
Jun-12-10 10:07 AM |
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Glad you like that. Got another one for you; |
The Doctor. |
Jun-11-10 05:53 PM |
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Like torturers? |
Bluebear |
Jun-12-10 01:33 PM |
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Obama should order the DoJ not to prosecute torturers? I totally disagree with that. |
The Doctor. |
Jun-12-10 07:12 PM |
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I remember when Democrats fought the right wing to pass and enforce whistle blower protections. |
laughingliberal |
Jun-11-10 08:57 AM |
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Everyday there's another reason to regret my vote. |
asdjrocky |
Jun-11-10 10:39 AM |
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All I have to do is think of McNutso-Palin and my voters' remorse lifts. |
Jackpine Radical |
Jun-11-10 11:25 AM |
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That's what breaks my heart the most. |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Jun-11-10 02:08 PM |
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+1.. this should have been historic. |
walldude |
Jun-11-10 05:33 PM |
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Totally agree. |
mix |
Jun-11-10 05:48 PM |
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I agree. He may be squandering a vast opportunity. |
The Doctor. |
Jun-12-10 11:44 AM |
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well, like you, I'm disappointed in the WH overall. I won't regret my final vote over McSame, but, |
Divine Discontent |
Jun-11-10 01:39 PM |
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Every day, a little more of the....... |
SILVER__FOX52 |
Jun-11-10 12:27 PM |
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Jun-11-10 01:05 PM |
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The oligaarchy rolls on... |
Nothing Without Hope |
Jun-11-10 04:14 PM |
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oiligarchy too |
Mithreal |
Jun-11-10 04:22 PM |
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How sad, and how the MSM ensures Obama will not be called out, they |
Jefferson23 |
Jun-11-10 05:59 PM |
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