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28. Well, I said if it's bullshit, not "if true"
And the very nature of political gossip-mongering (like this story) is that the monger doesn't much care, but the gossiper really needs to preserve his or her anonymity. My scenario is that someone in the administration was pushing the White House to get on the record in the Democratic primary behind Blanche Lincoln. It's indisputable that Lincoln was the White House's candidate in this race, and Halter was not.

Lincoln fails to secure the 50%+1 she needs to win the primary outright, and so yesterday's runoff happens. Polling shows the race is tight - and it was - and that same someone in the administration pushing the White House to endorse Lincoln is now shitting bricks. His or her credibility is on the line; the White House has already taken a black eye in Pennsylvania when their candidate (Specter) lost to the more progressive challenger (Sestak). It's entirely possible the same person is involved in both races, but even if it's not the same person, the Arkansas primary threatens another black eye for the White House. This could cost someone a job, which is more important than anything to political operatives.

Lincoln escapes the race, but barely. With a mixture of relief and triumphalism, our hero the operative can't resist crowing. Job safe, credibility maintained, and fuck you to the unions who made his or her life so miserable the past six weeks. Politico gets the gist of it, and runs the "anonymous White House official" story. Politico doesn't care about naming its source; its interest resides in driving a wedge between the White House and its natural ally, union and working people. It's up to the White House to scotch this story right away, and deny having said anything of the sort. But they haven't done that. The burning question is, "Why not"? The longer the story hangs out there, the worse relations are going to be between unions and the White House.

Unless . . . the quote is accurate, or the sentiment it expresses is a true reflection of administration resentment over what it sees as union meddling.
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  -POLITICO = Drudge with lipstick. I would not trust Politico if its tongue came notarized emulatorloo  Jun-09-10 12:58 PM   #0 
  - There is no trust of politico  TheKentuckian   Jun-09-10 01:01 PM   #1 
  - I've seem lots of DU "freak-outs" over other POLITICO articles that allegedly "meshed with reality"  emulatorloo   Jun-09-10 01:16 PM   #11 
     - I had almost forgotten that so-callrd "memo".  pnorman   Jun-09-10 03:03 PM   #13 
  - dupe delete  TheKentuckian   Jun-09-10 01:01 PM   #2 
  - Oh Yes  Militant_Populist   Jun-09-10 01:02 PM   #3 
  - I thought everybody knew this.  yella_dawg   Jun-09-10 01:02 PM   #4 
  - Obama-bashers on this site quote them constantly....n/t  msanthrope   Jun-09-10 07:16 PM   #43 
  - Politico a wholly own rpig establishment  HillbillyBob   Jun-09-10 01:02 PM   #5 
  - And the two should be treated exactly the same way on DU.  blondeatlast   Jun-09-10 01:03 PM   #6 
  - This toon sez it all  blogslut   Jun-09-10 01:05 PM   #7 
  - Nailed it. nt  blondeatlast   Jun-09-10 01:09 PM   #8 
  - yep -- thanks for posting that n/t  emulatorloo   Jun-09-10 01:17 PM   #12 
  - I've always been struck with how they magically appeared and  izzybeans   Jun-09-10 01:09 PM   #9 
  - +1  Echo In Light   Jun-09-10 03:14 PM   #18 
  - Actually, Palin = Drudge with lipstick.  KamaAina   Jun-09-10 01:15 PM   #10 
  - Politico was the replacement for Talon News  NNN0LHI   Jun-09-10 03:06 PM   #14 
  - Okay  gratuitous   Jun-09-10 03:09 PM   #15 
  - You mean like  blogslut   Jun-09-10 03:11 PM   #17 
     - Hanh?  gratuitous   Jun-09-10 03:21 PM   #19 
        - Explain to me how Politico's report appears to be genuine?  blogslut   Jun-09-10 03:42 PM   #21 
        - It's either genuine or it's not genuine  gratuitous   Jun-09-10 04:31 PM   #22 
           - "IF"  janx   Jun-09-10 04:37 PM   #24 
              - Well, I said if it's bullshit, not "if true"  gratuitous   Jun-09-10 05:56 PM   #28 
                 - There should be no IF involved at all.  janx   Jun-09-10 06:45 PM   #32 
        - But gratuitous, how could the White House issue such a statement  janx   Jun-09-10 06:55 PM   #35 
           - Curiously, press secretary Gibbs was asked about it today  gratuitous   Jun-10-10 12:05 AM   #73 
  - My anonymous source in the White House begs to disagree.  Blue-Jay   Jun-09-10 03:11 PM   #16 
  - Hmmmm, well I for one thank you.  bobburgster   Jun-09-10 03:35 PM   #20 
  - Beats the hell out of me n/t  emulatorloo   Jun-09-10 05:25 PM   #27 
  - K&R  janx   Jun-09-10 04:33 PM   #23 
  - If it is important to me, I will check other sources to verify it.  bobburgster   Jun-10-10 03:06 AM   #74 
  - I never trust them either unless and until there's independent confirmation  depakid   Jun-09-10 04:50 PM   #25 
  - I like Politico  davidinalameda   Jun-09-10 04:51 PM   #26 
  - Sometimes they're right. Sometimes they're wrong. This time  chill_wind   Jun-09-10 06:34 PM   #29 
  - Who else got the Senior Official word?  janx   Jun-09-10 06:43 PM   #31 
     - Marc Ambinder.  chill_wind   Jun-09-10 06:57 PM   #37 
        - No source, again?  janx   Jun-09-10 07:10 PM   #41 
           - No denial by Gibbs?  chill_wind   Jun-09-10 07:17 PM   #44 
           - How can Gibbs deny it if it wasn't sourced?  janx   Jun-09-10 07:54 PM   #57 
           - Source  Wandawilkerson   Jun-09-10 07:22 PM   #48 
              - That's not a source--that's the same 'unnamed official.' WELCOME to DU! n/t  msanthrope   Jun-09-10 07:33 PM   #52 
              - So basically you agreed that Smith and Ambinder conspired to spread a lie  Wandawilkerson   Jun-09-10 07:40 PM   #54 
              - Why are you assuming that?  janx   Jun-09-10 08:07 PM   #61 
              - I'm with you.  janx   Jun-09-10 07:56 PM   #58 
              - All that was in my thread.  chill_wind   Jun-09-10 07:36 PM   #53 
                 - No. Janx just wants some more quality fiction from C. Michael Curtis.  janx   Jun-09-10 09:53 PM   #69 
                 - Your assumptions make you look so stupid.  janx   Jun-09-10 10:00 PM   #71 
                    - Neither stupid nor naive. And especially not a regular reader  chill_wind   Jun-09-10 11:31 PM   #72 
                       - I did not call you names and would never do so.  janx   Jun-10-10 09:10 PM   #75 
  - But press releases from the White House are gospel truth. WTF n/t  Catherina   Jun-09-10 06:36 PM   #30 
  - Politico is a useful tool for conservatives.  Luminous Animal   Jun-09-10 06:49 PM   #33 
  - It doesn't matter.  janx   Jun-09-10 07:04 PM   #40 
  - while i believe you. you lost me at " see the wikipedia entry"  ProgressiveVictory   Jun-09-10 06:51 PM   #34 
  - 1-) Ben Smith is a good journalist, 2) Marc Ambinder corroborated Smith's story  Wandawilkerson   Jun-09-10 06:56 PM   #36 
  - "Sucky" ?  janx   Jun-09-10 07:14 PM   #42 
  - Ben Smith took dictation for the McCain campaign--see Media Matters links below...  msanthrope   Jun-09-10 07:31 PM   #50 
  - Is Ambinder a right-wing hack?  Wandawilkerson   Jun-09-10 07:43 PM   #56 
     - Which union? And how do you know that this union "believes"  janx   Jun-09-10 08:13 PM   #63 
  - Ben Smith took dictation for the McCain campaign--see Media Matters documentation--  msanthrope   Jun-09-10 07:32 PM   #51 
  - What is it with Politico?  scrubthedata   Jun-09-10 06:59 PM   #38 
  - What is it with Marc Ambinder?  Wandawilkerson   Jun-09-10 07:00 PM   #39 
  - Google "Stinky" and "Politico"  Stinky The Clown   Jun-09-10 07:19 PM   #45 
  - I remember that!  janx   Jun-09-10 07:21 PM   #47 
  - While we're on the subject of sensationalist media--  janx   Jun-09-10 07:20 PM   #46 
  - So was Wonkette. Looks like Palin bought herself a couple "Luxury Items."  chill_wind   Jun-09-10 07:25 PM   #49 
     - Great political journalism there...  janx   Jun-09-10 08:04 PM   #60 
        - I'm pretty sure Wonkette doesn't try to carry that pretense.  chill_wind   Jun-09-10 08:14 PM   #64 
  - As Glenn Greenwald has well documented Politico is a conduit to MSM for Drudge  underpants   Jun-09-10 07:43 PM   #55 
  - A devastating counter-argument is that Greenwald BELIEVES Politico's story  Wandawilkerson   Jun-09-10 07:56 PM   #59 
     - Wow! Devastating!  janx   Jun-09-10 08:10 PM   #62 
        - I responded to a person who used Greenwald's opinion to back up his claim  Wandawilkerson   Jun-09-10 09:07 PM   #65 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-09-10 09:23 PM   #66 
           - Because--  janx   Jun-09-10 09:40 PM   #68 
  - I believe nothing from politico  madokie   Jun-09-10 09:31 PM   #67 
  - never read Politico. It's a msm spin and rightwing rag  volvoblue   Jun-09-10 09:59 PM   #70 

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