| 162. Thank you for making my point |
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You call names without substance. You don't know me. I could certainly call you a bigot as you pre-judge. Where's your condemnation of the Egyptians who kept the Palestinians of Gaza in refugee camps for 20 years? There's where your Bantustans come from. But there's obvious no conversation here. You attack, you condemn, you accuse, yet you offer no alternative. For you the world started in 2007, there's never been any suicide bombers, coup attempts, hijacked airplanes, slaughtered Olympic teams, coordinated surprise attacks and invasions, or other countless crimes committed over the past 62 years. You entered the movie well after it started and chose your side based on the scene you came in on. "starve the people into submission"? If that's the plan they're doing a terrible job of it. Even Hamas says "There is no starvation in Gaza. No one has died of hunger." I agree that economy is in tatters and that is wrong But I'm not going to debate the legality of the blockade. The Palestinians deserve their own state to build as they see fit. They were well on their way until their leaders turned down a better deal than their cousins offered them all those years ago. The average Palestinian is a victim, as much from the rest of the Arab world who kept them as pawns as they are from Israel. Do you condemn Hamas? Do you condemn Egypt? Or even the Turks, who treat them like game pieces, and who provided the backing for the flotilla that left, by the way, from the illegally Turkish-occupied North Cyprus, from their illegal invasion that displaced 200,000 Greek Cypriots. That's all I'm saying. Quick to condemn Israel and no one else. Israel does something wrong and the world comes down. Someone does something wrong to Israel and nobody says a word. Others have committed far more heinous crimes, others are far worse off. I never said I hated Palestinians or that Arabs deserve oppression. I don't. They don't. I could easily accuse you of supporting the destruction of Israel but I don't because I hope you don't, even though you didn't say it.
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| - Standing Up for Helen Thomas - By Robert Parry |
kpete |
Jun-08-10 10:33 AM |
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K & R nt |
laughingliberal |
Jun-08-10 10:35 AM |
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So True |
liberalmike27 |
Jun-09-10 01:27 AM |
#131 |
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Recommend |
xchrom |
Jun-08-10 10:37 AM |
#2 |
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K&R |
Whisp |
Jun-08-10 10:38 AM |
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Excellent article |
malaise |
Jun-08-10 10:41 AM |
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Parry is another treasure. K&R |
EFerrari |
Jun-08-10 10:42 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Jun-08-10 10:48 AM |
#9 |
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That bias continues here too n/t |
n2doc |
Jun-08-10 10:42 AM |
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Right and IMO in large part because there is too little real discussion of |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-10 05:40 PM |
#46 |
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Yes, we provide some aid to Gaza |
BlueMTexpat |
Jun-09-10 02:18 AM |
#133 |
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The collective censorship on this issue is astonishing and frightening - whether it's DU or the |
chimpymustgo |
Jun-09-10 09:00 AM |
#144 |
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The collective censorship on this issue is astonishing and frightening - whether it's DU or the |
chimpymustgo |
Jun-09-10 09:00 AM |
#145 |
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Kicked and recommended. |
Uncle Joe |
Jun-08-10 10:43 AM |
#7 |
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K&R nt |
City Lights |
Jun-08-10 10:47 AM |
#8 |
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Thanks |
AnArmyVeteran |
Jun-08-10 10:49 AM |
#10 |
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I saw Frank Sesno on CNN -- |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Jun-08-10 10:50 AM |
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If her views were "very well known to everyone".... |
MicaelS |
Jun-08-10 11:25 AM |
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Are we going to start attacking people for their privately held views now? |
EFerrari |
Jun-08-10 11:32 AM |
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Yes we are..... |
MicaelS |
Jun-08-10 12:22 PM |
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Right. The distinction I was making is between public and private. |
EFerrari |
Jun-08-10 12:53 PM |
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Think you're onto a big discussion there . . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-10 05:56 PM |
#51 |
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Except that Helen Thomas is a public figure, and not a supposed family member of an anonymous poster |
liberation |
Jun-08-10 04:17 PM |
#32 |
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Because perhaps there is nothing worth outing? |
Chulanowa |
Jun-08-10 03:58 PM |
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The problem is not that she thinks the Israelis "are not always right." |
Chef Eric |
Jun-08-10 09:13 PM |
#84 |
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"She implied" - Is that so? |
Chulanowa |
Jun-09-10 12:32 AM |
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If she was talking about Jews in West Bank/Gaza, why did she say they should go to Germany/Poland? |
Chef Eric |
Jun-09-10 05:32 AM |
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There's only one answer you want to hear and want to accept |
Chulanowa |
Jun-09-10 07:23 AM |
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Boy, you just LOVE to tell me what I am really hearing, really thinking, really saying. |
Chef Eric |
Jun-09-10 08:28 AM |
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And I have a problem with what you are suggesting and implying |
Chulanowa |
Jun-09-10 02:42 PM |
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She thinks that the state of Israel was a mistake, and I agree... |
modestybl |
Jun-08-10 11:34 PM |
#116 |
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She was talking about the inequality between them |
nightgaunt |
Jun-14-10 06:25 PM |
#189 |
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Thought the questioning of her in that video was a bit odd on reflection..... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-10 05:50 PM |
#49 |
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We'll never hear from anyone else |
Chulanowa |
Jun-09-10 03:28 PM |
#170 |
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K&R |
Carolina |
Jun-08-10 11:31 AM |
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Good to hear intelligent and brave colleagues speaking up |
Laughing Mirror |
Jun-08-10 11:41 AM |
#15 |
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And there you have it |
Catherina |
Jun-08-10 11:46 AM |
#16 |
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The Disconnect... |
KharmaTrain |
Jun-08-10 11:50 AM |
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Ari Fleischer, propagandist for war crimiinals, |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-08-10 07:47 PM |
#75 |
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Low, low POS. n/t |
Peregrine Took |
Jun-08-10 08:27 PM |
#80 |
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Well said. |
BrklynLiberal |
Jun-08-10 09:59 PM |
#94 |
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kr+45 |
inna |
Jun-08-10 11:51 AM |
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K&R |
uppityperson |
Jun-08-10 12:20 PM |
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Thank you Robert Parry.... |
blm |
Jun-08-10 12:21 PM |
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Thank you Robert Parry -- one of the last of the genuine journalists. |
glitch |
Jun-08-10 12:54 PM |
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K&R /nt |
Spheric |
Jun-08-10 02:07 PM |
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Criticize Israel?! |
jacksprat |
Jun-08-10 02:10 PM |
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How is not anti-semitic to say that the Jews should "go back to Germany and Poland"? nt |
Chef Eric |
Jun-08-10 09:23 PM |
#86 |
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Reverse that question. How *is* it anti-semitic? |
Recursion |
Jun-08-10 10:21 PM |
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There has been a continuous Jewish presence in that land for thousands of years. |
Chef Eric |
Jun-08-10 10:57 PM |
#109 |
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But are the israelis jews of today from the holy land? |
German |
Jun-09-10 02:42 AM |
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Yes, they are. DNA evidence has debunked the "Khazar" theory. |
Chef Eric |
Jun-09-10 05:20 AM |
#138 |
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Not the Khazar shit again. |
cali |
Jun-13-10 08:32 AM |
#186 |
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Umm.. no you didn't |
Recursion |
Jun-09-10 06:42 AM |
#140 |
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She didn't just say "Germany and Poland." She said "Germany, Poland, the United States" |
stranger81 |
Jun-09-10 11:58 AM |
#151 |
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Tell all the damn pundits (both R & D) I support Helen .... |
orbitalman |
Jun-08-10 03:43 PM |
#26 |
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You'd think she murdered 9 people in international waters, the way people reacted. |
Mugweed |
Jun-08-10 03:51 PM |
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You would, wouldn't you? |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-09-10 02:24 AM |
#135 |
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K&R |
MissDeeds |
Jun-08-10 03:52 PM |
#28 |
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K & R. n/t |
chill_wind |
Jun-08-10 03:56 PM |
#29 |
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Helen Thomas was way, way out of line. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-08-10 03:58 PM |
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Suffering is suffering whether you are a Jew or a Palestinian -- |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-10 06:31 PM |
#56 |
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Did the US take in Jews threatened by Hitler? |
JDPriestly |
Jun-08-10 07:05 PM |
#65 |
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Turkey did take in German jews threatened by Hitler before the holocaust... |
cascadiance |
Jun-08-10 09:34 PM |
#91 |
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Thanks for that and . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-10 10:07 PM |
#96 |
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Wow, I wasn't aware that the "Z" word was a bad word. |
cascadiance |
Jun-08-10 10:22 PM |
#99 |
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As far as I'm aware . . . think it says that in the I/P forum . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-10 10:54 PM |
#107 |
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The problem is not with the word "Zionist." The problem is that so few people know what it means. |
Chef Eric |
Jun-08-10 11:17 PM |
#110 |
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I was under that impression to though, where Zionism implies the structure of the government... |
cascadiance |
Jun-08-10 11:36 PM |
#117 |
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Certainly, the situation where Israel is an "occupier" over the state of Palestine .... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-09-10 01:49 PM |
#158 |
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The question was the USE of the word in DU forums . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-09-10 12:13 PM |
#155 |
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"...a right to their own homeland." |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Jun-09-10 12:20 PM |
#156 |
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Turkey would have done precisely the same thing as the Israelis did |
JDPriestly |
Jun-09-10 12:45 AM |
#126 |
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Speculation on your part. And the line was not there in INTERNATIONAL WATERS... |
cascadiance |
Jun-09-10 01:02 AM |
#129 |
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You are probably too young to remember the Turkish-Cypriot conflict. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-09-10 02:21 AM |
#134 |
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Too young? I probably knew more people DIRECTLY involved in that than you did! |
cascadiance |
Jun-09-10 02:52 PM |
#168 |
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US turned away a boatload of Jews trying to excape Germany ... forced to return... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-10 10:02 PM |
#95 |
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that is a significantly biased view of WW2 |
B Whale |
Jun-09-10 08:06 PM |
#174 |
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If you look at the map, you will note that the largest part of Transjordan |
JDPriestly |
Jun-08-10 07:10 PM |
#66 |
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Does this suggest to you somehow .... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-10 10:14 PM |
#97 |
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The Palestinians have a homeland. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-09-10 12:43 AM |
#125 |
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Evidently, we're all talking about the need for a "State of Palestine" .... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-09-10 12:06 PM |
#153 |
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NBC news did a segment tonight on "Growing Up Behind the Blockade in Gaza" |
dflprincess |
Jun-08-10 09:25 PM |
#87 |
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Nothing for me to feel proud of in Obama's failure to criticize Israel |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-10 10:23 PM |
#100 |
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Best reply on this thread! |
earth mom |
Jun-08-10 11:26 PM |
#111 |
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One of the few posts on this subject that really "gets it". |
WileEcoyote |
Jun-08-10 07:17 PM |
#68 |
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That analogy isn't quite right. |
dorkulon |
Jun-08-10 08:33 PM |
#81 |
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Israel is no victim here. |
Raineyb |
Jun-09-10 09:15 AM |
#146 |
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Besides US backing with money and weapons -- !!! Palestine has no military ... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-09-10 01:52 PM |
#159 |
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Helen Thomas was way, way out of line. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-08-10 03:58 PM |
#30 |
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She should do all that... |
liberation |
Jun-08-10 04:23 PM |
#33 |
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Lolz... |
here_is_to_hope |
Jun-08-10 04:27 PM |
#34 |
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"Suggesting that the Jews in Israel go back ... |
AlbertCat |
Jun-08-10 05:50 PM |
#48 |
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Yis there any other european country? .....why yes |
B Whale |
Jun-08-10 06:24 PM |
#54 |
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What European country did not persecute Jews for centuries? |
JDPriestly |
Jun-08-10 06:40 PM |
#59 |
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You have to understand that the basis of that ... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-10 06:45 PM |
#61 |
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I understand that very well. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-08-10 06:56 PM |
#64 |
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Jews are immigrating to Germany - More Jews in Germany now that pre-WWII... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-10 09:33 PM |
#90 |
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hey hey easy. You asked a question, is there |
B Whale |
Jun-08-10 06:56 PM |
#63 |
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Apparently some people figure WWII is a carte blanche for them to be racist |
liberation |
Jun-08-10 08:10 PM |
#78 |
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Nice post . . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-10 10:28 PM |
#103 |
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I lived in France. There are many Jews there. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-09-10 12:50 AM |
#128 |
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Dupe |
liberation |
Jun-09-10 11:48 AM |
#149 |
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What is your definition of "safe?" |
liberation |
Jun-09-10 11:48 AM |
#150 |
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you have a screwed view of europe and european people |
B Whale |
Jun-09-10 08:13 PM |
#175 |
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One of the great prime ministers in Austria was Jewish, but believe m |
JDPriestly |
Jun-10-10 03:01 AM |
#177 |
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i would take your point about austria. i do believe austria has |
B Whale |
Jun-11-10 05:39 AM |
#182 |
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Yes, you're correct . .. |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-10 09:40 PM |
#92 |
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Not all European people are anti-Jewish. But I lived there, |
JDPriestly |
Jun-09-10 12:47 AM |
#127 |
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it impossible for Jewish people to live there and feel secure. |
AlbertCat |
Jun-09-10 09:51 AM |
#148 |
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And I lived in Europe too, and had plenty of Jewish friends who lived there all their lives |
liberation |
Jun-09-10 11:58 AM |
#152 |
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Denmark deserves more credit than a "maybe" |
dflprincess |
Jun-08-10 09:05 PM |
#83 |
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That is a very disingenuous question. |
liberation |
Jun-09-10 12:11 PM |
#154 |
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Evidently, Israeli Jews are returning to Germany and Israel isn't happy about that ... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-09-10 01:58 PM |
#160 |
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Please see my post . . . here . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-10 09:31 PM |
#89 |
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No Ashkenazim means no need for settlements |
Recursion |
Jun-08-10 10:24 PM |
#101 |
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Negotiated Peace would require that the Israelis give up on expanding their territories |
NorthCarolina |
Jun-08-10 04:46 PM |
#37 |
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'And I suggest that any of you who' - ? |
Bluebear |
Jun-08-10 05:36 PM |
#45 |
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I didn't know the United States was a European country. |
Lilith Velkor |
Jun-08-10 06:30 PM |
#55 |
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That's crap |
ilaughatrightwingers |
Jun-08-10 11:34 PM |
#115 |
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so where are the homelands for gypsies, homosexuals, political dissidents, and others? |
tomp |
Jun-09-10 08:34 AM |
#143 |
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+1000% |
defendandprotect |
Jun-09-10 01:59 PM |
#161 |
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Strongly recommended. |
avaistheone1 |
Jun-08-10 04:39 PM |
#35 |
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How come the media never slams the Right? |
freeperhuntersRus |
Jun-08-10 04:46 PM |
#36 |
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it must be all that "liberal bias" or something... |
liberation |
Jun-08-10 04:49 PM |
#38 |
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K & R |
Dinger |
Jun-08-10 05:17 PM |
#39 |
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Very good |
Safya |
Jun-08-10 05:19 PM |
#40 |
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Turn on your own to spare Israel.....always.... |
Darth_Kitten |
Jun-08-10 05:19 PM |
#41 |
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K&R |
Owl |
Jun-08-10 05:21 PM |
#42 |
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In the passion of the moment it is easy to say what we are feeling |
eagertolearn |
Jun-08-10 05:23 PM |
#43 |
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What I see is a lot of support from the corporate MIC and then the lemming journalists follow.... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-10 05:35 PM |
#44 |
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K&R |
RetroLounge |
Jun-08-10 05:45 PM |
#47 |
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K & R !!! |
WillyT |
Jun-08-10 05:51 PM |
#50 |
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k/r. the hypocrites. |
Hannah Bell |
Jun-08-10 05:59 PM |
#52 |
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K&R -- Thank you, Robert Parry. Thanks Kpete for posting this. I support Helen Thomas |
scarletwoman |
Jun-08-10 06:17 PM |
#53 |
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K&R |
me b zola |
Jun-08-10 06:31 PM |
#57 |
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kick and recommend!! |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jun-08-10 06:37 PM |
#58 |
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here's a cheer for Ms. Thomas. |
branders seine |
Jun-08-10 06:41 PM |
#60 |
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One must wonder if Mr. Parry would be so quick to leap to Thomas' defense... |
proteus_lives |
Jun-08-10 06:51 PM |
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I wonder if you would be so quick to condemn Helen Thomas if she went after |
Raineyb |
Jun-08-10 10:46 PM |
#106 |
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Yes, I would. |
proteus_lives |
Jun-08-10 11:44 PM |
#119 |
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Robert Parry, another of the few real journalists left in this |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-08-10 07:15 PM |
#67 |
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she was a journalist they were more than happy to get rid of. |
Divine Discontent |
Jun-08-10 07:37 PM |
#72 |
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Good post, I think your view is shared by a majority of decent people. |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-08-10 10:28 PM |
#104 |
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Thank you, sabrina 1, it's nice to see someone else have decency about this issue. |
Divine Discontent |
Jun-08-10 11:31 PM |
#112 |
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Amy Goodman would be one guess for "next" . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-10 10:38 PM |
#105 |
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sadly, you're spot on. she's fantastic. God protect her/good vibes! |
Divine Discontent |
Jun-08-10 11:32 PM |
#114 |
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UIA loves her some Robert Parry |
UpInArms |
Jun-08-10 07:30 PM |
#69 |
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So glad to see this post from Robert Parry defending Helen Thomas! |
KoKo |
Jun-08-10 07:33 PM |
#70 |
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Howard Kurtz sucks. Big Time. |
Owl |
Jun-08-10 07:36 PM |
#71 |
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I thank Robert Parry for standing up for Helen. |
bleever |
Jun-08-10 07:38 PM |
#73 |
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K&R |
pleah |
Jun-08-10 07:39 PM |
#74 |
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I am glad that someone is articulate enough to write for Helen |
kgnu_fan |
Jun-08-10 07:48 PM |
#76 |
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Helen needs all the people standing up for that she can muster. |
Rabrrrrrr |
Jun-08-10 07:54 PM |
#77 |
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Isn't she entitled to her opinion, even if some view it as not "PC?" |
Peregrine Took |
Jun-08-10 08:24 PM |
#79 |
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This was rotten, indeed. |
Proud_Lefty |
Jun-08-10 08:39 PM |
#82 |
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Why does most everyone including Parry mention Thomas' Lebanese background |
snagglepuss |
Jun-08-10 09:14 PM |
#85 |
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Here's some info I'm surprised at... Jews are immigrating to Germany . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-10 09:27 PM |
#88 |
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Some are taking German citizenship... |
Karenina |
Jun-13-10 08:23 AM |
#184 |
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Excellent article. I stand with Helen Thomas. |
BrklynLiberal |
Jun-08-10 09:55 PM |
#93 |
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F*ck the |
femrap |
Jun-08-10 10:26 PM |
#102 |
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Really??? |
CL455W4R |
Jun-08-10 10:56 PM |
#108 |
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Cause the Aliens controlling DU will melt your brain and feed it to oil companies |
HEyHEY |
Jun-08-10 11:39 PM |
#118 |
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The blinding cataracts need to be removed from your eyes. |
ooglymoogly |
Jun-09-10 01:11 AM |
#130 |
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Because |
femrap |
Jun-09-10 12:58 PM |
#157 |
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Check the specific rules posted at "I/P" . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-09-10 02:03 PM |
#163 |
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Apologies to CL455W4R. I meant my above post for another poster |
ooglymoogly |
Jun-09-10 03:01 PM |
#169 |
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Hypocrisy |
ilaughatrightwingers |
Jun-08-10 11:32 PM |
#113 |
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I will forever stand with Helen Thomas..the Queen of truth! eom |
flyarm |
Jun-09-10 12:04 AM |
#120 |
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Sorry, her remark was simply common sense resolution, but what is the acceptable alternative? |
earcandle |
Jun-09-10 12:06 AM |
#121 |
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I stand with Helen...without the reservations of this post. |
ooglymoogly |
Jun-09-10 12:23 AM |
#122 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-09-10 12:26 AM |
#123 |
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What is Sensible Cities? |
avaistheone1 |
Jun-09-10 02:13 AM |
#132 |
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Why all the hate? |
genorp |
Jun-09-10 04:44 AM |
#137 |
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Absolute bullshit excuse making. |
Raineyb |
Jun-09-10 09:23 AM |
#147 |
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Thank you for making my point |
genorp |
Jun-09-10 02:00 PM |
#162 |
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Bravo . . .!! Thank you -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Jun-09-10 02:07 PM |
#165 |
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Minus 1000% -- Too much wrong with that post to get into . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-09-10 02:05 PM |
#164 |
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So much for real discussion: |
LTX |
Jun-09-10 02:43 PM |
#167 |
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Yes, I am arguing for more honest discussion of "I/P" affairs . . . but not in the dungeon... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-09-10 03:35 PM |
#171 |
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The legality of the blockade: |
LTX |
Jun-09-10 04:57 PM |
#173 |
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UN find the blockade of Gaza "illegal" . . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-09-10 09:14 PM |
#176 |
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Navi Pillay's report is not a UN finding of illegality |
LTX |
Jun-10-10 09:48 AM |
#178 |
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"U.N. Human Rights Chief: Israel's Blockade of Gaza Strip Is Illegal" -- no rambling there ... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-10-10 01:06 PM |
#179 |
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As I said, Pillay's report is not a UN finding of illegality: |
LTX |
Jun-10-10 02:49 PM |
#180 |
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As I've mentioned ... for the second time now ... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-10-10 10:43 PM |
#181 |
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I see: |
LTX |
Jun-11-10 08:59 AM |
#183 |
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Parry and Thomas stood up to Rev Moon, Bush and the rest of the Washington Mafia. |
Octafish |
Jun-09-10 04:15 PM |
#172 |
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Kicked (nt) |
Dinger |
Jun-13-10 08:24 AM |
#185 |
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Kick |
Better Believe It |
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Spazito |
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#188 |