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226. not a good enough argument for me anymore
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  -Health Insurance Reform: My premiums are going up. LWolf  Jun-06-10 10:09 AM   #0 
  - Yep. Those of us who didn't support it  ixion   Jun-06-10 10:17 AM   #1 
  - Sorry but the premiums would be going up more without it ... nt  D-Lee   Jun-06-10 12:35 PM   #40 
     - Sorry but premiums were going up anyway and they are going to continue to go up.  L0oniX   Jun-06-10 12:55 PM   #43 
     - How changealicious.  avaistheone1   Jun-07-10 02:05 AM   #170 
     - Health reform hasn't started yet  Omaha Steve   Jun-07-10 05:53 AM   #173 
        - You might have missed  avaistheone1   Jun-07-10 10:31 AM   #200 
     - Healthcare reform?  INdemo   Jun-07-10 06:03 AM   #175 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-06-10 12:57 PM   #45 
     - I just remember people complaining about 35% increases before  Maraya1969   Jun-06-10 05:24 PM   #90 
     - My brother works for a midsize company whose carrier just tried to hit them with a 35.5% increase  dflprincess   Jun-06-10 08:57 PM   #140 
     - You fucking do the research!! - Insurance premiums have gone up significantly  GreenTea   Jun-06-10 05:44 PM   #93 
        - They announced they were going to raise premiums  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 06:52 PM   #128 
     - Interesting assertion. Can you point to a nonpartisan economic analysis that backs it up?  Gormy Cuss   Jun-06-10 02:13 PM   #56 
     - I don't believe that for a second.  woo me with science   Jun-06-10 04:42 PM   #70 
     - Perfect example of faith-based politics.  Jakes Progress   Jun-06-10 04:56 PM   #79 
     - The premiums go up all the time. They have gone up constantly in the  JDPriestly   Jun-06-10 05:55 PM   #98 
        - The bill wasn't reform  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 06:11 PM   #103 
           - True. So let's try to improve it.  JDPriestly   Jun-06-10 06:23 PM   #109 
              - Starts with repealing the mandate and starting over  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 06:45 PM   #123 
              - Yes--at a bare minimum allow states to enact single payer  eridani   Jun-06-10 10:32 PM   #158 
                 - Agreed! California just might do it if things get good (or bad) enough.  JDPriestly   Jun-07-10 01:11 AM   #168 
     - Great observation  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 05:12 PM   #88 
     - BS you can't prove that....  humbled_opinion   Jun-06-10 06:42 PM   #120 
     - Why? What's stopping them from raising rates right now?  Canuckistanian   Jun-06-10 09:59 PM   #150 
     - Oh, really?  Missy Vixen   Jun-09-10 09:28 PM   #225 
  - But it's REFORM!  vi5   Jun-06-10 10:22 AM   #2 
  - We recently applied for new insurance and my daughter was only accepted with a rider.  City Lights   Jun-06-10 10:26 AM   #3 
  - I have a metabolic disorder  LWolf   Jun-06-10 10:39 AM   #7 
  - That really sucks.  City Lights   Jun-06-10 10:45 AM   #11 
  - Hypothyroid, adrenal failure, fibromyalgia, CFS, and more here, but I've found ways  Lorien   Jun-06-10 02:06 PM   #54 
     - And aren't these conditions mainly  femrap   Jun-06-10 10:05 PM   #151 
        - Hypothyroid and fibromyalgia, yes. Adrenal fatigue is about equal among the sexes  Lorien   Jun-07-10 12:27 AM   #165 
           - I have Chronic fatigue, possibly fibromyalgia but my thyroid is just fine  liberal_at_heart   Jun-07-10 05:54 AM   #174 
           - There's a very good chance that it's your thyroid: the standard TSH test is total crap  Lorien   Jun-07-10 12:39 PM   #203 
              - .I can't believe how many of those symptoms fit me. Thank you.  liberal_at_heart   Jun-09-10 11:08 PM   #227 
           - Thank you for this information....  femrap   Jun-07-10 09:37 AM   #195 
  - Is it a waiting period for coverage of allergies/asthma?  SocialistLez   Jun-06-10 10:40 AM   #8 
     - It's a minimum of two years with no guarantee that they'll remove it. nt  City Lights   Jun-06-10 10:44 AM   #10 
        - Yikes. I am sorry to hear that. =[ NT  SocialistLez   Jun-06-10 10:53 AM   #18 
           - Thanks. nt  City Lights   Jun-06-10 10:58 AM   #22 
  - Many of us who were sounding the alarm over this bill  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 10:28 AM   #4 
  - +1 nt  laughingliberal   Jun-06-10 10:36 AM   #6 
  - Even if we didn't get the public option  SocialistLez   Jun-06-10 10:42 AM   #9 
  - Well people were saying the 80% cap was a control  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 10:47 AM   #13 
  - +1  area51   Jun-06-10 11:01 AM   #23 
  - "look forward" to 2012. He won't make it again.  davidwparker   Jun-06-10 04:12 PM   #65 
  - He might  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 04:42 PM   #71 
  - +1  aquart   Jun-06-10 10:39 PM   #160 
  - "fix it later" is a fraud.  midnight armadillo   Jun-07-10 10:19 PM   #206 
  - I hear you. n/t  OhioChick   Jun-06-10 10:34 AM   #5 
  - That's health care and insurance for profit.  burnsei sensei   Jun-06-10 10:45 AM   #12 
  - we had to pass SOMETHING so that we could tweak it and amend it. :-(  secondwind   Jun-06-10 10:52 AM   #17 
     - Don't you know Medicare and Social Security  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 10:55 AM   #19 
  - all state workers in WA state had their insurance deductible increase  nannah   Jun-06-10 10:49 AM   #14 
  - Like the credit card bill  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 10:50 AM   #15 
  - Wife works for DSHS.  joe black   Jun-06-10 04:08 PM   #64 
     - i am also one of the 25% of WA state employees  nannah   Jun-06-10 05:28 PM   #91 
        - Here to the south of you,  LWolf   Jun-07-10 06:55 AM   #181 
  - mine, too. and all I have is catastrophic care.  Mari333   Jun-06-10 10:51 AM   #16 
  - I'm hobbling around right now, on what might be a broken foot.  Dr.Phool   Jun-06-10 10:56 AM   #20 
  - Fucking ridiculous  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 10:57 AM   #21 
  - So many of us suffering because having insurance doesn't get us care.  LWolf   Jun-06-10 11:06 AM   #25 
  - This probably won't be well received  immune   Jun-06-10 11:04 AM   #24 
  - Universal, single-payer, not-for-profit health CARE.  LWolf   Jun-06-10 11:08 AM   #27 
  - I agree with you about single payer  immune   Jun-06-10 11:31 AM   #29 
  - "Universal, single-payer, not-for-profit health CARE."  Enthusiast   Jun-07-10 04:13 AM   #171 
     - Yes. nt  LWolf   Jun-07-10 07:08 AM   #187 
  - Just to point something out  Book Lover   Jun-06-10 11:36 AM   #30 
  - and lots of pharma salesmen offering bennies to the doc  immune   Jun-06-10 11:40 AM   #31 
     - What was your job? (nm)  Book Lover   Jun-06-10 11:42 AM   #32 
        - Lab Tech - in hospital  immune   Jun-06-10 11:47 AM   #33 
           - Lab test have become preventive measures for lawsuits  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 11:59 AM   #35 
              - Agree wholeheartedly  immune   Jun-06-10 12:01 PM   #36 
  - I like your ideas...  femrap   Jun-06-10 10:13 PM   #154 
  - Join the club.. Its going up because so many employers are dropping  glowing   Jun-06-10 11:07 AM   #26 
  - Be sure to thank Sen. Baucus and his ten Dems.  Festivito   Jun-06-10 11:18 AM   #28 
  - I'm going to start by making sure  LWolf   Jun-06-10 11:55 AM   #34 
     - As long as you don't unwittingly cast for Repubs for trying to castigate a D.  Festivito   Jun-06-10 12:28 PM   #38 
     - I don't vote for republicans. Never have. Never will.  LWolf   Jun-06-10 12:52 PM   #41 
        - You realize, that will be voting for a Republican.  Festivito   Jun-06-10 01:18 PM   #49 
           - Vote pragmatically  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 02:01 PM   #53 
           - Pragmatically should include using your head.  Festivito   Jun-06-10 06:28 PM   #112 
              - it is on the dems, as LWolf said  tiny elvis   Jun-07-10 10:19 AM   #199 
           - If we continue to vote for what we don't want  GinaMaria   Jun-06-10 04:20 PM   #66 
           - Tell me you'd still want Bush over Gore because you preferred Nader?  Festivito   Jun-06-10 06:13 PM   #104 
              - Not sure where you are getting this Nader thing,  GinaMaria   Jun-07-10 10:34 AM   #201 
                 - In 2001 Bush took the presidency instead of Al Gore.  Festivito   Jun-08-10 01:18 PM   #218 
           - So basically we are fucked either way we vote. Hope and Change -- bollocks. nt  eilen   Jun-06-10 04:53 PM   #77 
           - Yup, but voting is not our only weapon.  Festivito   Jun-06-10 05:47 PM   #95 
              - Wait for things to hit the fan  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 05:49 PM   #96 
                 - I wish the way out of our plight was straightforward and easy.  Festivito   Jun-06-10 06:21 PM   #106 
                    - The solution IS simple and obvious.  fasttense   Jun-07-10 07:01 AM   #182 
                       - I agree. And we need to hold our media as responsible as we want Obama to be.  Festivito   Jun-08-10 12:55 PM   #214 
           - I realize that the favorite propaganda piece  LWolf   Jun-06-10 08:20 PM   #138 
           - Favorite propaganda bullshit piece back at you.  Festivito   Jun-06-10 09:26 PM   #144 
           - Reality sucks for some.  LWolf   Jun-07-10 07:07 AM   #186 
              - Reality blows for others.  Festivito   Jun-08-10 12:58 PM   #215 
                 - I want "those Dems" to earn my vote.  LWolf   Jun-08-10 09:13 PM   #220 
                    - Ah, give someone something for free, and all they'll want is MORE.  Festivito   Jun-09-10 01:49 PM   #222 
           - `Thank you.  emilyg   Jun-07-10 01:43 AM   #169 
              - You're welcome, of course. nt  LWolf   Jun-07-10 07:06 AM   #183 
           - As far as I'm concerned the democrats are republicans and they do just as much damage  liberal_at_heart   Jun-06-10 10:14 PM   #155 
              - It's a sad choice between someone who will steal your wallet, and ..  Festivito   Jun-08-10 01:05 PM   #217 
                 - not a good enough argument for me anymore  liberal_at_heart   Jun-09-10 10:10 PM   #226 
     - That's a good start. Then work at a state level to get single-payer.  bobbolink   Jun-06-10 02:47 PM   #57 
  - Health Insurance is like loaning out an umbrella that dissolves in the rain.  Odin2005   Jun-06-10 12:19 PM   #37 
  - That is a really great analogy.  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Jun-06-10 12:29 PM   #39 
  - it's not reform dude - it's insurance profit guantee law  Donnachaidh   Jun-06-10 12:55 PM   #42 
  - SHUT THE FUCK UP  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 12:56 PM   #44 
  - you owe me some papertowels Jake!  Donnachaidh   Jun-06-10 01:05 PM   #46 
  - Sorry  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 01:45 PM   #51 
     - stop it LOL!  Donnachaidh   Jun-06-10 02:07 PM   #55 
  - Oh My, + Infinity  Dinger   Jun-06-10 01:08 PM   #47 
  - acutely observed. nt  woo me with science   Jun-06-10 04:44 PM   #72 
  - Back at you nt.  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 04:48 PM   #74 
  - IT'S A START, JAKE!!!  Skittles   Jun-06-10 06:24 PM   #110 
     - Stop it or Bush will literally get a third term  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 06:32 PM   #115 
        - YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY PINING FOR PRESIDENT PALIN  Skittles   Jun-06-10 06:42 PM   #121 
           - Keep it up and Pol Pot will be President and Franco VP  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 06:51 PM   #126 
  - +1 nt  woo me with science   Jun-06-10 04:45 PM   #73 
  - K&R. I'm so sorry.  Greyhound   Jun-06-10 01:15 PM   #48 
  - Mine just went up 30 dollars starting this month and I'm out of work  BoWanZi   Jun-06-10 01:20 PM   #50 
  - I was in the same boat so I had to let the insurance go  Lorien   Jun-06-10 01:59 PM   #52 
  - Well, at least the gov't won't be forcing us to pay for insurance we can't afford to use...  CLANG   Jun-06-10 04:35 PM   #67 
  - More and more Americans  eilen   Jun-06-10 04:57 PM   #80 
  - Lorien, we have the same sucky high deductibles  Mimosa   Jun-07-10 10:34 PM   #207 
  - I'm just happy....  daleanime   Jun-06-10 02:48 PM   #58 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jun-06-10 03:12 PM   #59 
  - It's historilicious!  Greyhound   Jun-06-10 03:16 PM   #60 
  - Don't worry your pretty mind with these details, we'll fix them later*  liberation   Jun-06-10 03:21 PM   #61 
  - My fiance's company just switched  blueamy66   Jun-06-10 03:28 PM   #62 
  - Be prepared to fight to get you claims paid with UHC  dflprincess   Jun-06-10 09:06 PM   #142 
     - Thanks for the heads up!  blueamy66   Jun-07-10 09:38 AM   #196 
  - Mine are going up also!  DailyGrind51   Jun-06-10 04:02 PM   #63 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-06-10 04:37 PM   #68 
  - Mine went up at well. Some of us tried to warn folks but were mocked  saracat   Jun-06-10 04:42 PM   #69 
  - Prove the premiums would've went DOWN without reform.....big unrec no doubt  uponit7771   Jun-06-10 04:48 PM   #75 
  - They sure as heck would have gone down if we had real reform like single-payer.  Vinca   Jun-06-10 04:57 PM   #81 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-06-10 06:40 PM   #118 
     - Maybe we are not on your "side"  liberation   Jun-06-10 09:31 PM   #145 
  - What a silly argument  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 05:09 PM   #86 
  - I didn't expect them to go down.  LWolf   Jun-07-10 06:49 AM   #178 
  - thank you  Shadow Creature   Jun-06-10 04:49 PM   #76 
  - Your Insurance Premiums Were Going Up Before HCR. HCR Is Not Yet Effective...  TomCADem   Jun-06-10 04:54 PM   #78 
  - Really not that astute?  Jakes Progress   Jun-06-10 05:01 PM   #82 
  - Don't bother  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 05:04 PM   #84 
  - If we're lucky, they will "reform" Social Security so we will  eilen   Jun-06-10 05:02 PM   #83 
  - Looking forward to that one  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 05:10 PM   #87 
  - I think they will rename it FOAD,  Autumn   Jun-06-10 10:31 PM   #157 
  - "HCR Is Not Yet Effective..."  ProSense   Jun-06-10 05:37 PM   #92 
  - Want to talk about raising premiums and deductibles  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 05:47 PM   #94 
  - what the FUCK kind of "reform" is that?  Skittles   Jun-06-10 06:23 PM   #108 
     - Well, they seem to have changed the definition of "reform"  liberation   Jun-06-10 09:35 PM   #146 
  - Are you a veteran? If you are, head to the VA.  alfredo   Jun-06-10 05:08 PM   #85 
  - Single payer!  RedCloud   Jun-06-10 05:13 PM   #89 
  - costs more, covers less.  dembotoz   Jun-06-10 05:52 PM   #97 
  - K&R - To hell with the individual mandate!  New Dawn   Jun-06-10 05:57 PM   #99 
  - What makes you think the reform bill is to blame?  JDPriestly   Jun-06-10 06:00 PM   #100 
  - Why did we fight for nearly a year  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 06:08 PM   #101 
  - To help kids who were being denied care because of a pre-existing condition.  ProSense   Jun-06-10 06:13 PM   #105 
     - In time  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 06:27 PM   #111 
     - "You think this situation is going to improve"  ProSense   Jun-06-10 06:38 PM   #117 
        - We are talking cost  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 06:43 PM   #122 
           - On a positive note...  liberation   Jun-06-10 09:37 PM   #147 
     - Coverage does not mean those people will get care  dflprincess   Jun-06-10 09:23 PM   #143 
  - Just this:  LWolf   Jun-07-10 06:51 AM   #179 
  - We need MEDICARE FOR ALL . . . and a new Democratic president . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-06-10 06:09 PM   #102 
  - tell me  northzax   Jun-06-10 06:21 PM   #107 
  - Premiums have been increasing across the board  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 06:30 PM   #113 
     - wasn't the question  northzax   Jun-06-10 06:37 PM   #116 
        - We pay more for health care with worse results than the rest of the world  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 06:41 PM   #119 
           - who's dodging a question?  northzax   Jun-06-10 06:45 PM   #124 
              - I thought we started this debate because domestic health care  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 06:47 PM   #125 
                 - cost increases are a given  northzax   Jun-06-10 07:02 PM   #133 
                    - Did we do either  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 07:12 PM   #135 
                    - Yeah, the "affordable" part.  liberation   Jun-06-10 09:38 PM   #148 
  - Impossible! You HAVE affordable healthcare now. It says so-right in the name of the law  kenny blankenship   Jun-06-10 06:31 PM   #114 
  - It's free market magic sponsored by the DLC and Fortune 500, love it  scentopine   Jun-06-10 06:52 PM   #127 
  - Nixon would be a Pinko Commie in 2010. nt.  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 06:53 PM   #129 
     - ... and even earlier than that  liberation   Jun-06-10 09:39 PM   #149 
     - Eisenhower would be called hippie anarchist and France lover. -nt  scentopine   Jun-06-10 10:12 PM   #153 
  - Sorry to hear that  Xavyman   Jun-06-10 06:55 PM   #130 
  - The bill is worse than what preceded it  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 06:56 PM   #131 
     - "Before the bill we could opt out of the system "  ProSense   Jun-06-10 07:00 PM   #132 
     - Funny where you choose to reply  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 07:10 PM   #134 
        - "I suggest the President swim with dolphins."  ProSense   Jun-06-10 07:21 PM   #136 
           - Even you are losing your sense of humor  AllentownJake   Jun-06-10 07:24 PM   #137 
     - You still can  northzax   Jun-07-10 09:40 PM   #205 
  - premiums have been going up at 2-3x inflation for years.  Warren Stupidity   Jun-06-10 08:46 PM   #139 
  - Which is why we need single payer or a public option minimum.  grahamhgreen   Jun-06-10 11:09 PM   #163 
     - agree 100% but the implication of the OP is that HCR raised his premiums.  Warren Stupidity   Jun-07-10 06:44 AM   #177 
        - That's not what I got from the OP.  liberal_at_heart   Jun-07-10 06:51 AM   #180 
           - read it again  Warren Stupidity   Jun-07-10 07:06 AM   #184 
              - I did read it. I disagree with your assessement of the OP.  liberal_at_heart   Jun-07-10 07:34 AM   #188 
              - In agreement with you.  Dappleganger   Jun-07-10 09:54 AM   #198 
  - I thought HCR does not apply to full time government employees  SmileyRose   Jun-06-10 09:02 PM   #141 
  - We buy private health insurance like everyone else. nt  LWolf   Jun-08-10 07:24 AM   #213 
  - my husband had to switch medication knowing there would be side affects  liberal_at_heart   Jun-06-10 10:09 PM   #152 
  - We have the best government money can buy  killbotfactory   Jun-06-10 10:18 PM   #156 
  - The Health care reform is a joke  lovuian   Jun-06-10 10:34 PM   #159 
  - Our premiums just went up 19%...after a 23% jump last year.  orbitalman   Jun-06-10 10:49 PM   #161 
  - Where are all those who promised they would 'fix' this crappy bill?  grahamhgreen   Jun-06-10 11:07 PM   #162 
  - They're busy NOT holding the banks and oil merchants accountable. nt  valerief   Jun-07-10 08:01 AM   #189 
  - How much is Medicare going up? Historic reform of the meaning of historic and reform only.  pundaint   Jun-06-10 11:43 PM   #164 
  - Of course they are. But the 15-26% is a lot better than the 40%  johnaries   Jun-07-10 12:37 AM   #166 
  - That's a fictional figure.  LWolf   Jun-08-10 07:24 AM   #212 
  - Policy-holder's premium goes up 69%  johnaries   Jun-07-10 12:50 AM   #167 
  - Not for Nothing, but....  whatacountry09   Jun-07-10 05:21 AM   #172 
  - ditto  mdmc   Jun-07-10 06:44 AM   #176 
  - Can you wait until 2014?  closeupready   Jun-07-10 07:06 AM   #185 
  - But my mother-in-law got a letter from her insurance company  revolution breeze   Jun-07-10 08:06 AM   #190 
  - What should I assume?  LWolf   Jun-08-10 07:21 AM   #211 
  - It's not the reform.  hippywife   Jun-07-10 08:45 AM   #191 
  - So have ours.  LWolf   Jun-08-10 07:17 AM   #209 
  - Yeah, and mine went up about 15% for the prior 5 years in a row. So blame the reform.  sinkingfeeling   Jun-07-10 09:05 AM   #192 
  - Mine went up 1-3% every year for the past 5 years.  LWolf   Jun-08-10 07:18 AM   #210 
  - One of the crappiest aspects of this "reform" is that they've GIVEN the insurance companies  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-07-10 09:23 AM   #193 
  - But don't you feel like a winner getting to pass legislation that gives the middle  midnight   Jun-07-10 09:24 AM   #194 
  - I'm sure that rates wouldn't have gone up if the HCB failed.  lumberjack_jeff   Jun-07-10 09:52 AM   #197 
  - Rates have been going up a bit each year.  LWolf   Jun-08-10 07:16 AM   #208 
  - Here's an idea.  laundry_queen   Jun-07-10 10:36 AM   #202 
  - But it would have been worse...  Greyhound   Jun-07-10 12:43 PM   #204 
  - I'm starting to think that a person could be better off with just cheap accident coverage  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Jun-08-10 01:01 PM   #216 
  - Reform My Ass  Gates9   Jun-08-10 01:31 PM   #219 
  - When people are sick or die, there are always doctors around.  gulliver   Jun-08-10 09:18 PM   #221 
  - I actually don't see the connection here. You're premiums went up.  tranche   Jun-09-10 01:57 PM   #223 
     - The connection is this:  LWolf   Jun-09-10 09:07 PM   #224 
 

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