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86. I voted for both.
Interview confirms my decision. Facts:

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11035
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  -Joe Biden on the assault on the Marmara: "So What's The Big Deal Here?" Ken Burch  Jun-04-10 10:12 PM   #0 
  - He's right.  Joe the Revelator   Jun-04-10 10:20 PM   #1 
  - He's right in saying the IDF should be allowed to investigate its own murderers?  Ken Burch   Jun-04-10 10:22 PM   #3 
  - no one should be able to investigate their own problems. ever.  wingnut40   Jun-04-10 10:28 PM   #9 
  - Sure!  Fox_Hunter   Jun-05-10 12:33 AM   #45 
  - So the murder of an American citizen  Tunkamerica   Jun-04-10 10:24 PM   #7 
  - Using buzz words doesn't give you the high ground in an argument  Joe the Revelator   Jun-04-10 10:29 PM   #11 
  - Execution style murder is "buzz words"?  Webster Green   Jun-04-10 10:33 PM   #15 
  - All I did was summarize the reality  Ken Burch   Jun-04-10 10:34 PM   #17 
  - Sure it is. unless the person is prone on on knees  Pavulon   Jun-04-10 11:44 PM   #36 
     - What is a "moz drill", which is considered standard fare?  tango-tee   Jun-05-10 12:18 PM   #61 
     - Military jargon, used as though it validates his opinion that the killing was legit.  JackRiddler   Jun-05-10 12:55 PM   #65 
     - No the video tape showing guys swinging pipe does that.(nt)  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 01:01 PM   #70 
     - Uh, no, it doesn't n/t  sabrina 1   Jun-06-10 03:26 AM   #138 
     - No, it doesn't.  Zix   Jun-06-10 03:37 AM   #142 
        - No the video shown on international news sources makes it undeniable..  Pavulon   Jun-06-10 08:30 AM   #155 
     - +1  Jefferson23   Jun-06-10 08:21 AM   #152 
     - Its a failure to stop drill used with sidearms. More so by police  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 01:01 PM   #69 
     - "Centre mass"...  Zix   Jun-06-10 03:43 AM   #144 
        - Think about it. Where is your center of mass?  Pavulon   Jun-06-10 08:31 AM   #156 
     - It means he's trying to impress people.  Forkboy   Jun-05-10 02:09 PM   #75 
        - Forkboy,  tango-tee   Jun-05-10 10:57 PM   #92 
        - Bottom line, you guys really wanted this. It was you white whale  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 11:18 PM   #98 
        - Sort of like how Israel gets what it wants when terrorists attack?  Chulanowa   Jun-06-10 12:32 AM   #128 
        - HUH? Not one single sentence of what you wrote makes  kas125   Jun-06-10 03:02 AM   #136 
        - Pavulon...  Zix   Jun-06-10 03:44 AM   #145 
        - It was a planned stunt from the beginning, and it went south  Pavulon   Jun-06-10 08:33 AM   #157 
        - You sound like as conspiracy nut.  Forkboy   Jun-06-10 08:44 AM   #164 
        - Impress people AND defend pirates who murdered unarmed  kas125   Jun-06-10 02:58 AM   #135 
     - A home invader doesn't get to plead self defense just because the homeowner fought back.  JackRiddler   Jun-05-10 12:20 PM   #62 
        - You analogy is flawed, use police in my house.  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 01:04 PM   #71 
        - How do you know it is the police if they have a 'no knock' warrant?  Rex   Jun-05-10 11:13 PM   #95 
        - Because they have uniforms that say "police"  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 11:15 PM   #96 
           - Oh right you have time to figure that out while they are shooting at you  Rex   Jun-05-10 11:16 PM   #97 
           - Do I have a pipe and a gas mask. Did I disarm the first man and gut shoot  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 11:20 PM   #100 
              - Just keep repeating that lie and I'm sure someone will believe it.  Rex   Jun-05-10 11:29 PM   #105 
                 - Video tape speaks. all else is straight bullshit.  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 11:32 PM   #108 
                    - Video from the murdering party is not evidence.  Rex   Jun-05-10 11:37 PM   #111 
                       - Video it from the cameras on the ship, you are late to the party  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 11:40 PM   #114 
                          - Oh wow...yet again you are wrong - masks don't stop bullets.  Rex   Jun-05-10 11:41 PM   #116 
                             - Google that video up. Those pipes look real peaceful.  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 11:44 PM   #119 
                                - Boarding a ship in international waters armed to the teeth  Chulanowa   Jun-06-10 12:52 AM   #129 
                                - I support full disclosure. As this tape does, it will just support the truth.(nt)  Pavulon   Jun-06-10 08:26 AM   #154 
                                - Let's see the RESt of the footage, eh, Pavulon?  Zix   Jun-06-10 03:45 AM   #146 
                                   - The more the better. Seems they all show opposite of your meme  Pavulon   Jun-06-10 12:15 PM   #182 
           - Since when have the police been allowed to  sabrina 1   Jun-06-10 03:29 PM   #187 
        - except for one thing  erikdane   Jun-06-10 12:27 PM   #183 
        - In a blockade a ship that refused to allow its contents to be inspected loses its protected status.  Statistical   Jun-06-10 10:18 AM   #174 
  - "Self-defense" is a buzz word. So is "terrorist."  JackRiddler   Jun-05-10 12:12 PM   #59 
     - Israel announced intent over the radio, thats how the "unarmed" had time to get pipes  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 12:16 PM   #60 
        - I hereby announce my intent to invade your house. Don't hit me or I'm allowed to shoot you.  JackRiddler   Jun-05-10 12:43 PM   #63 
           - The video shows the truth and nullifies all the BS  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 12:58 PM   #67 
              - That video was edited to show the what the Israeli government wanted it to show  Raineyb   Jun-05-10 02:15 PM   #77 
                 - Video is the ultimate witness. Edits can be detected.  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 02:53 PM   #78 
                    - Clearly you don't mind innocent people getting gunned down.  Rex   Jun-05-10 11:30 PM   #106 
                    - Pipe swinging innocent, you have a tv or internet? check the video  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 11:35 PM   #109 
                       - The murdering party boards, shooting unarmed civilians and you expect  Rex   Jun-05-10 11:39 PM   #113 
                          - The pipe makes them armed  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 11:47 PM   #121 
                             - You're just making it up.  Zix   Jun-06-10 03:46 AM   #147 
                                - Try it with you local police, walk in and hit an officer and keep hitting him  Pavulon   Jun-06-10 08:36 AM   #159 
                    - Then, I assume that you will be ready to apologize and DO  kas125   Jun-06-10 03:10 AM   #137 
                    - Are you a robot? You have been repeating the same stupid  sabrina 1   Jun-06-10 03:42 AM   #143 
                       - They were armed, its on tape and everything you said about legality is wrong.(nt)  Pavulon   Jun-06-10 08:34 AM   #158 
  - I guess according to ignored some Americans are more worthy of being avenged than others.  Raineyb   Jun-05-10 02:05 PM   #73 
  - Yes, Israel has the right to murder foreign civilians on a foreign ship in international waters.  JackRiddler   Jun-05-10 12:07 PM   #56 
  - Well stated, JackRiddler!  tango-tee   Jun-05-10 11:07 PM   #93 
  - It is amazing how far people will go to 'rationalize' state sanctioned  Rex   Jun-05-10 11:19 PM   #99 
  - Might is not right  HughMoran   Jun-05-10 11:20 PM   #101 
  - No he isn't. Not even close.  Richard Steele   Jun-06-10 11:06 AM   #177 
  - I didn't vote for him  wingnut40   Jun-04-10 10:21 PM   #2 
  - Same here.  Ken Burch   Jun-04-10 10:23 PM   #4 
  - Why do you think so many dems know him as MBNA Joe?  Lost4words   Jun-04-10 10:32 PM   #13 
  - Learn somethings about him, watch the interview:  elleng   Jun-05-10 07:33 PM   #87 
  - Yes you did, you couldn't split that vote.  JackRiddler   Jun-05-10 12:08 PM   #57 
  - I voted for both.  elleng   Jun-05-10 07:32 PM   #86 
  - Well no, no it doesn't....  tnlefty   Jun-04-10 10:23 PM   #5 
  - It's a good night for it.  Ken Burch   Jun-04-10 10:24 PM   #6 
  - Watch the interview:  elleng   Jun-05-10 07:36 PM   #88 
  - That's two topics this week he pontificated on when he should have known better  depakid   Jun-04-10 10:25 PM   #8 
  - Check his position on jobs and Gaza in interview:  elleng   Jun-05-10 07:37 PM   #89 
  - Yeah,  Libertas1776   Jun-04-10 10:29 PM   #10 
  - He's a fucking asshole.  katandmoon   Jun-04-10 10:31 PM   #12 
  - He is a fucking asshole.  Webster Green   Jun-04-10 10:34 PM   #19 
  - Joe, it's a BIG FUCKING DEAL!!!!!  WeDidIt   Jun-04-10 10:32 PM   #14 
  - He's right.  emilyg   Jun-04-10 10:34 PM   #16 
  - You agree, then, that the Israeli government should be allowed to run a whitewash investigation?  Ken Burch   Jun-04-10 10:36 PM   #23 
     - Do Jewish lives matter to the Muslims?  emilyg   Jun-04-10 11:32 PM   #30 
        - Does your statement have relevancy?  Chulanowa   Jun-04-10 11:34 PM   #32 
        - I wasn't talking to you. Yes it stopped being an excuse in kindergarten - as did  emilyg   Jun-05-10 01:30 AM   #48 
        - You're speaking in an open forum  Chulanowa   Jun-05-10 04:32 AM   #49 
           - You grow the fuck up.  elleng   Jun-05-10 07:54 PM   #91 
              - Doesn't bother me  Chulanowa   Jun-06-10 02:33 AM   #134 
              - Too bad, Chulan, you know thing about me.  elleng   Jun-06-10 11:23 AM   #178 
              - Ellen, thanks for the link, but I'm a bit confused...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-06-10 03:34 AM   # 
              - No, Violet, not 'sticking up' for Emilyg; haven't met her,  elleng   Jun-06-10 11:27 AM   #179 
              - You didn't seem to mind when  emilyg   Jun-06-10 01:00 PM   #184 
              - My impression of the Biden interview...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-06-10 06:32 AM   #151 
                 - That's an accurate summary, Violet, but one word of advice on English non-word usage  Ken Burch   Jun-06-10 03:58 PM   #190 
        - And of course he did NOT say something 'mean,' he doesn't do such.  elleng   Jun-05-10 07:52 PM   #90 
        - Jewish lives matter to most Muslims; Muslim lives do not matter to the Israeli government.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jun-05-10 07:19 PM   #82 
        - What a revolting and bigoted thing for you to say...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-06-10 03:30 AM   #139 
        - You put it better than I did, Violet.  Ken Burch   Jun-06-10 03:54 PM   #189 
        - Ahhhh, there it is. Ducking and diving.  Zix   Jun-06-10 03:50 AM   #148 
        - Yuck.  Forkboy   Jun-06-10 10:08 AM   #172 
        - Well at least you are  emilyg   Jun-06-10 01:04 PM   #185 
        - To a fair amount, they do. To others, perhaps they have fewer fellow feelings towards ISRAELIS.  Ken Burch   Jun-06-10 03:12 PM   #186 
  - The same Joe Biden who authored  Dawson Leery   Jun-04-10 10:34 PM   #18 
  - OH...so you've heard of him, then.  Ken Burch   Jun-04-10 10:35 PM   #20 
     - I am not registered with any political party either.  Dawson Leery   Jun-04-10 10:52 PM   # 
        - OK...how about  Ken Burch   Jun-06-10 03:52 PM   #188 
  - The Senate always reminds me of this and Joe is their rep in the WH.  EFerrari   Jun-04-10 10:35 PM   #21 
  - Link - contact the VP ...  slipslidingaway   Jun-04-10 10:35 PM   #22 
  - While legally he is correct  nadinbrzezinski   Jun-04-10 10:37 PM   #24 
  - I have never been a Hamas fan.  Ken Burch   Jun-04-10 10:42 PM   #25 
  - I will answer once  nadinbrzezinski   Jun-04-10 10:52 PM   #26 
     - They fear all the time....but is that fear ALWAYS justified?  Ken Burch   Jun-04-10 11:03 PM   #28 
        - How long can grudges go on?  nadinbrzezinski   Jun-04-10 11:16 PM   #29 
  - "Where is the outrage"?  Chulanowa   Jun-04-10 11:41 PM   #34 
  - Is the US giving $3 billion a year in aid to North Korea?  JackRiddler   Jun-05-10 11:42 PM   #117 
     - Hey, what is the main battle tank used by egypt?  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 11:48 PM   #122 
        - You're seriously using Egypt as the example? How deep would you like to dig your hole?  JackRiddler   Jun-06-10 01:35 AM   #132 
           - This is a pet issue  Pavulon   Jun-06-10 08:41 AM   #162 
              - Again, is the US officially involved in the Congo war?  JackRiddler   Jun-06-10 10:28 AM   #176 
  - It is about claims of control.  RandomThoughts   Jun-04-10 11:02 PM   #27 
  - well an american citizen was murdered...oh.. i mean died  madrchsod   Jun-04-10 11:34 PM   #31 
  - Not towing your line on your pet issue, so fuck him.  Pavulon   Jun-04-10 11:38 PM   #33 
  - The world is bigger than the US and Israel  Chulanowa   Jun-04-10 11:42 PM   #35 
     - The IP conflict is backwater, meaningless. other than those who worship at its altar  Pavulon   Jun-04-10 11:46 PM   #37 
        - The IP conflict drives much of what consumes our politics these days..  Fumesucker   Jun-05-10 12:04 AM   #40 
        - They live in overflowing toilet states. Like the DPRC  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 12:08 AM   #41 
           - Israel has no oil..  Fumesucker   Jun-05-10 12:19 AM   #42 
           - 53, who was pres then? Airliners had propellers, they hate us because of their theocrat gov  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 12:26 AM   #43 
              - Umm.. The theocrat government is a direct result of the overthrow in 1953  Fumesucker   Jun-05-10 01:16 AM   #47 
                 - Yep, but after reconstruction we moved on. E. Germans moved on,  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 12:05 PM   #54 
                    - Strange, "the land of the free" has the highest incarceration rate in the world..  Fumesucker   Jun-05-10 07:10 PM   #81 
                       - Victims of the drug war. Hint, not white people  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 11:25 PM   #104 
                          - Ah, that makes it so much better...  Fumesucker   Jun-06-10 01:44 AM   #133 
                             - Oh i Get it. Palestinians are the regional poor  Pavulon   Jun-06-10 08:38 AM   #161 
                                - It took over a century to get rid of Jim Crow..  Fumesucker   Jun-06-10 10:00 AM   #171 
           - And who made those "toilet states"?  Chulanowa   Jun-05-10 12:36 AM   #46 
              - Whoa partner. The us did not back an attack on kuwait  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 07:27 AM   #50 
                 - Actually we did  Chulanowa   Jun-05-10 12:02 PM   #52 
                 - Care to back that with a primary source?  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 12:03 PM   #53 
                    - Sure thing  Chulanowa   Jun-05-10 12:48 PM   #64 
                       - Did you actually read that doc?  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 01:09 PM   #72 
                          - It states both  Chulanowa   Jun-06-10 12:30 AM   #127 
                             - No it discuses military drills and clearly does not say we support the invasion.  Pavulon   Jun-06-10 08:42 AM   #163 
                 - Wrong on East Germany  SOS   Jun-06-10 10:26 AM   #175 
                    - Well the wonders of communism can still be found in Cuba or North Korea  Pavulon   Jun-06-10 12:05 PM   #180 
                       - Unified Germany - Love it or Leave It!  SOS   Jun-06-10 11:55 PM   #192 
        - Not quite correct  Chulanowa   Jun-05-10 12:31 AM   #44 
        - IP is a line item on agendas of oil rich states. Note the wall egypt built  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 07:30 AM   #51 
           - Note that Egypt is a puppet state  Chulanowa   Jun-05-10 12:55 PM   #66 
        - And yet you've commented on it as much, if not more, than almost everyone here.  Forkboy   Jun-05-10 02:13 PM   #76 
        - Its to hot to work in the yard...  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 03:04 PM   #80 
           - There's certainly some hot air floating around.....  Forkboy   Jun-06-10 08:46 AM   #166 
              - Queue video...Its fake though right?  Pavulon   Jun-06-10 09:03 AM   #169 
                 - You seem to want to argue with what you say instead of what I say.  Forkboy   Jun-06-10 09:18 AM   #170 
        - Strongly disagree, because of the number of people in other countries who care about it.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jun-05-10 07:22 PM   #84 
        - Nope, they are puppets. That is why egypt built a wall and Jordan  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 11:23 PM   #103 
        - That's really not gonna win you any friends, Pavulon.  Zix   Jun-06-10 03:53 AM   #149 
  - Biden, SHUT THE FUCK UP, ASSHOLE.  chimpymustgo   Jun-04-10 11:46 PM   #38 
  - Watch it here, get facts.  elleng   Jun-05-10 07:28 PM   #85 
  - No big deal that our citizens are getting abducted, tortured, and murdered?  New Dawn   Jun-04-10 11:51 PM   #39 
  - *FACEPLAM* @ Joe  Odin2005   Jun-05-10 12:07 PM   #55 
  - He knows it's BS.  frustrated_lefty   Jun-05-10 12:08 PM   #58 
  - Biden is a neo-lib and a mouthpiece for the administration.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jun-05-10 01:01 PM   #68 
  - Exactly. nt  snagglepuss   Jun-05-10 11:48 PM   #123 
  - What's the surprise here  upi402   Jun-05-10 02:08 PM   #74 
  - 'we're open to international participation' - since it was in intl. waters that would be nice  Bluebear   Jun-05-10 02:55 PM   #79 
  - Guardian has it WRONG!  elleng   Jun-05-10 07:21 PM   #83 
  - What do you expect from Israel shills?  Voluntary1   Jun-05-10 11:10 PM   #94 
  - You mean the guys with pipes?  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 11:22 PM   #102 
     - He was shot at close range with four bullets to his head and  Voluntary1   Jun-05-10 11:36 PM   #110 
        - With a pistol. Ever had any military training  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 11:42 PM   #118 
           - No evidece that Furkan Dogan had a pistol  Voluntary1   Jun-06-10 12:01 AM   #126 
              - There is no evidence PERIOD. Everyone is surfing on emotion and little fact  Pavulon   Jun-06-10 08:57 AM   #168 
  - Hey they were clearly asking for murder, they picked up pipes  Rex   Jun-05-10 11:31 PM   #107 
  - I will up the bet. $500 cash if you let a high school kid  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 11:38 PM   #112 
     - You can try and justify bullets to pipes for defense all you want to  Rex   Jun-05-10 11:41 PM   #115 
     - I dont count, neither do you. State department, and potus do  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 11:45 PM   #120 
        - Wrong, you are not important since you believe that  Rex   Jun-05-10 11:49 PM   #124 
        - Orwellian language aside, the humanitarians on the other boats were not harmed  Pavulon   Jun-05-10 11:52 PM   #125 
           - Only 9.  Zix   Jun-06-10 03:31 AM   #140 
              - The people on the other boats who used no violence  Pavulon   Jun-06-10 08:24 AM   #153 
        - Really?  Chulanowa   Jun-06-10 12:56 AM   #130 
           - State has a clear position on this.  Pavulon   Jun-06-10 08:46 AM   #167 
     - With a helmet on, full combat gear and a gun to hold up to protect my face?  Prometheus Bound   Jun-06-10 01:05 AM   #131 
     - Dressed like the guys in the video  Pavulon   Jun-06-10 08:44 AM   #165 
        - Nope. Definitely helmets.  Prometheus Bound   Jun-06-10 07:20 PM   #191 
     - Well, soldiers wear helmets and body armor. A pipe to the head won't do as much damage.  Selatius   Jun-06-10 04:56 AM   #150 
  - The big deal joe is that people are dead.  Zix   Jun-06-10 03:34 AM   #141 
  - I like Joe generally.  BlueMTexpat   Jun-06-10 08:37 AM   #160 
  - I'll be wonderinng what the big deal is in November of 2012, Joe.  Forkboy   Jun-06-10 10:13 AM   #173 
  - Ruh Ro. Meme seems to be falling apart as more photos surface.  Pavulon   Jun-06-10 12:14 PM   #181 
 

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