| 23. You agree, then, that the Israeli government should be allowed to run a whitewash investigation? |
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It goes without saying that such an "investigation" will just issue the verdict that Bibi orders it to. Muslim lives don't matter to that state.
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| -Joe Biden on the assault on the Marmara: "So What's The Big Deal Here?" |
Ken Burch |
Jun-04-10 10:12 PM |
#0 |
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He's right. |
Joe the Revelator |
Jun-04-10 10:20 PM |
#1 |
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He's right in saying the IDF should be allowed to investigate its own murderers? |
Ken Burch |
Jun-04-10 10:22 PM |
#3 |
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no one should be able to investigate their own problems. ever. |
wingnut40 |
Jun-04-10 10:28 PM |
#9 |
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Sure! |
Fox_Hunter |
Jun-05-10 12:33 AM |
#45 |
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So the murder of an American citizen |
Tunkamerica |
Jun-04-10 10:24 PM |
#7 |
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Using buzz words doesn't give you the high ground in an argument |
Joe the Revelator |
Jun-04-10 10:29 PM |
#11 |
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Execution style murder is "buzz words"? |
Webster Green |
Jun-04-10 10:33 PM |
#15 |
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All I did was summarize the reality |
Ken Burch |
Jun-04-10 10:34 PM |
#17 |
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Sure it is. unless the person is prone on on knees |
Pavulon |
Jun-04-10 11:44 PM |
#36 |
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What is a "moz drill", which is considered standard fare? |
tango-tee |
Jun-05-10 12:18 PM |
#61 |
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Military jargon, used as though it validates his opinion that the killing was legit. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-05-10 12:55 PM |
#65 |
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No the video tape showing guys swinging pipe does that.(nt) |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 01:01 PM |
#70 |
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Uh, no, it doesn't n/t |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-06-10 03:26 AM |
#138 |
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No, it doesn't. |
Zix |
Jun-06-10 03:37 AM |
#142 |
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No the video shown on international news sources makes it undeniable.. |
Pavulon |
Jun-06-10 08:30 AM |
#155 |
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+1 |
Jefferson23 |
Jun-06-10 08:21 AM |
#152 |
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Its a failure to stop drill used with sidearms. More so by police |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 01:01 PM |
#69 |
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"Centre mass"... |
Zix |
Jun-06-10 03:43 AM |
#144 |
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Think about it. Where is your center of mass? |
Pavulon |
Jun-06-10 08:31 AM |
#156 |
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It means he's trying to impress people. |
Forkboy |
Jun-05-10 02:09 PM |
#75 |
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Forkboy, |
tango-tee |
Jun-05-10 10:57 PM |
#92 |
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Bottom line, you guys really wanted this. It was you white whale |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 11:18 PM |
#98 |
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Sort of like how Israel gets what it wants when terrorists attack? |
Chulanowa |
Jun-06-10 12:32 AM |
#128 |
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HUH? Not one single sentence of what you wrote makes |
kas125 |
Jun-06-10 03:02 AM |
#136 |
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Pavulon... |
Zix |
Jun-06-10 03:44 AM |
#145 |
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It was a planned stunt from the beginning, and it went south |
Pavulon |
Jun-06-10 08:33 AM |
#157 |
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You sound like as conspiracy nut. |
Forkboy |
Jun-06-10 08:44 AM |
#164 |
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Impress people AND defend pirates who murdered unarmed |
kas125 |
Jun-06-10 02:58 AM |
#135 |
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A home invader doesn't get to plead self defense just because the homeowner fought back. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-05-10 12:20 PM |
#62 |
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You analogy is flawed, use police in my house. |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 01:04 PM |
#71 |
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How do you know it is the police if they have a 'no knock' warrant? |
Rex |
Jun-05-10 11:13 PM |
#95 |
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Because they have uniforms that say "police" |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 11:15 PM |
#96 |
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Oh right you have time to figure that out while they are shooting at you |
Rex |
Jun-05-10 11:16 PM |
#97 |
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Do I have a pipe and a gas mask. Did I disarm the first man and gut shoot |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 11:20 PM |
#100 |
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Just keep repeating that lie and I'm sure someone will believe it. |
Rex |
Jun-05-10 11:29 PM |
#105 |
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Video tape speaks. all else is straight bullshit. |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 11:32 PM |
#108 |
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Video from the murdering party is not evidence. |
Rex |
Jun-05-10 11:37 PM |
#111 |
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Video it from the cameras on the ship, you are late to the party |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 11:40 PM |
#114 |
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Oh wow...yet again you are wrong - masks don't stop bullets. |
Rex |
Jun-05-10 11:41 PM |
#116 |
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Google that video up. Those pipes look real peaceful. |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 11:44 PM |
#119 |
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Boarding a ship in international waters armed to the teeth |
Chulanowa |
Jun-06-10 12:52 AM |
#129 |
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I support full disclosure. As this tape does, it will just support the truth.(nt) |
Pavulon |
Jun-06-10 08:26 AM |
#154 |
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Let's see the RESt of the footage, eh, Pavulon? |
Zix |
Jun-06-10 03:45 AM |
#146 |
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The more the better. Seems they all show opposite of your meme |
Pavulon |
Jun-06-10 12:15 PM |
#182 |
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Since when have the police been allowed to |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-06-10 03:29 PM |
#187 |
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except for one thing |
erikdane |
Jun-06-10 12:27 PM |
#183 |
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In a blockade a ship that refused to allow its contents to be inspected loses its protected status. |
Statistical |
Jun-06-10 10:18 AM |
#174 |
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"Self-defense" is a buzz word. So is "terrorist." |
JackRiddler |
Jun-05-10 12:12 PM |
#59 |
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Israel announced intent over the radio, thats how the "unarmed" had time to get pipes |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 12:16 PM |
#60 |
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I hereby announce my intent to invade your house. Don't hit me or I'm allowed to shoot you. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-05-10 12:43 PM |
#63 |
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The video shows the truth and nullifies all the BS |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 12:58 PM |
#67 |
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That video was edited to show the what the Israeli government wanted it to show |
Raineyb |
Jun-05-10 02:15 PM |
#77 |
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Video is the ultimate witness. Edits can be detected. |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 02:53 PM |
#78 |
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Clearly you don't mind innocent people getting gunned down. |
Rex |
Jun-05-10 11:30 PM |
#106 |
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Pipe swinging innocent, you have a tv or internet? check the video |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 11:35 PM |
#109 |
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The murdering party boards, shooting unarmed civilians and you expect |
Rex |
Jun-05-10 11:39 PM |
#113 |
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The pipe makes them armed |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 11:47 PM |
#121 |
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You're just making it up. |
Zix |
Jun-06-10 03:46 AM |
#147 |
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Try it with you local police, walk in and hit an officer and keep hitting him |
Pavulon |
Jun-06-10 08:36 AM |
#159 |
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Then, I assume that you will be ready to apologize and DO |
kas125 |
Jun-06-10 03:10 AM |
#137 |
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Are you a robot? You have been repeating the same stupid |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-06-10 03:42 AM |
#143 |
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They were armed, its on tape and everything you said about legality is wrong.(nt) |
Pavulon |
Jun-06-10 08:34 AM |
#158 |
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I guess according to ignored some Americans are more worthy of being avenged than others. |
Raineyb |
Jun-05-10 02:05 PM |
#73 |
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Yes, Israel has the right to murder foreign civilians on a foreign ship in international waters. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-05-10 12:07 PM |
#56 |
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Well stated, JackRiddler! |
tango-tee |
Jun-05-10 11:07 PM |
#93 |
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It is amazing how far people will go to 'rationalize' state sanctioned |
Rex |
Jun-05-10 11:19 PM |
#99 |
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Might is not right |
HughMoran |
Jun-05-10 11:20 PM |
#101 |
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No he isn't. Not even close. |
Richard Steele |
Jun-06-10 11:06 AM |
#177 |
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I didn't vote for him |
wingnut40 |
Jun-04-10 10:21 PM |
#2 |
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Same here. |
Ken Burch |
Jun-04-10 10:23 PM |
#4 |
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Why do you think so many dems know him as MBNA Joe? |
Lost4words |
Jun-04-10 10:32 PM |
#13 |
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Learn somethings about him, watch the interview: |
elleng |
Jun-05-10 07:33 PM |
#87 |
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Yes you did, you couldn't split that vote. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-05-10 12:08 PM |
#57 |
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I voted for both. |
elleng |
Jun-05-10 07:32 PM |
#86 |
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Well no, no it doesn't.... |
tnlefty |
Jun-04-10 10:23 PM |
#5 |
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It's a good night for it. |
Ken Burch |
Jun-04-10 10:24 PM |
#6 |
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Watch the interview: |
elleng |
Jun-05-10 07:36 PM |
#88 |
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That's two topics this week he pontificated on when he should have known better |
depakid |
Jun-04-10 10:25 PM |
#8 |
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Check his position on jobs and Gaza in interview: |
elleng |
Jun-05-10 07:37 PM |
#89 |
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Yeah, |
Libertas1776 |
Jun-04-10 10:29 PM |
#10 |
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He's a fucking asshole. |
katandmoon |
Jun-04-10 10:31 PM |
#12 |
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He is a fucking asshole. |
Webster Green |
Jun-04-10 10:34 PM |
#19 |
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Joe, it's a BIG FUCKING DEAL!!!!! |
WeDidIt |
Jun-04-10 10:32 PM |
#14 |
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He's right. |
emilyg |
Jun-04-10 10:34 PM |
#16 |
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You agree, then, that the Israeli government should be allowed to run a whitewash investigation? |
Ken Burch |
Jun-04-10 10:36 PM |
#23 |
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Do Jewish lives matter to the Muslims? |
emilyg |
Jun-04-10 11:32 PM |
#30 |
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Does your statement have relevancy? |
Chulanowa |
Jun-04-10 11:34 PM |
#32 |
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I wasn't talking to you. Yes it stopped being an excuse in kindergarten - as did |
emilyg |
Jun-05-10 01:30 AM |
#48 |
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You're speaking in an open forum |
Chulanowa |
Jun-05-10 04:32 AM |
#49 |
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You grow the fuck up. |
elleng |
Jun-05-10 07:54 PM |
#91 |
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Doesn't bother me |
Chulanowa |
Jun-06-10 02:33 AM |
#134 |
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Too bad, Chulan, you know thing about me. |
elleng |
Jun-06-10 11:23 AM |
#178 |
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Ellen, thanks for the link, but I'm a bit confused... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-06-10 03:34 AM |
# |
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No, Violet, not 'sticking up' for Emilyg; haven't met her, |
elleng |
Jun-06-10 11:27 AM |
#179 |
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You didn't seem to mind when |
emilyg |
Jun-06-10 01:00 PM |
#184 |
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My impression of the Biden interview... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-06-10 06:32 AM |
#151 |
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That's an accurate summary, Violet, but one word of advice on English non-word usage |
Ken Burch |
Jun-06-10 03:58 PM |
#190 |
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And of course he did NOT say something 'mean,' he doesn't do such. |
elleng |
Jun-05-10 07:52 PM |
#90 |
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Jewish lives matter to most Muslims; Muslim lives do not matter to the Israeli government. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jun-05-10 07:19 PM |
#82 |
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What a revolting and bigoted thing for you to say... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jun-06-10 03:30 AM |
#139 |
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You put it better than I did, Violet. |
Ken Burch |
Jun-06-10 03:54 PM |
#189 |
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Ahhhh, there it is. Ducking and diving. |
Zix |
Jun-06-10 03:50 AM |
#148 |
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Yuck. |
Forkboy |
Jun-06-10 10:08 AM |
#172 |
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Well at least you are |
emilyg |
Jun-06-10 01:04 PM |
#185 |
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To a fair amount, they do. To others, perhaps they have fewer fellow feelings towards ISRAELIS. |
Ken Burch |
Jun-06-10 03:12 PM |
#186 |
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The same Joe Biden who authored |
Dawson Leery |
Jun-04-10 10:34 PM |
#18 |
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OH...so you've heard of him, then. |
Ken Burch |
Jun-04-10 10:35 PM |
#20 |
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I am not registered with any political party either. |
Dawson Leery |
Jun-04-10 10:52 PM |
# |
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OK...how about |
Ken Burch |
Jun-06-10 03:52 PM |
#188 |
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The Senate always reminds me of this and Joe is their rep in the WH. |
EFerrari |
Jun-04-10 10:35 PM |
#21 |
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Link - contact the VP ... |
slipslidingaway |
Jun-04-10 10:35 PM |
#22 |
| -
While legally he is correct |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-04-10 10:37 PM |
#24 |
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I have never been a Hamas fan. |
Ken Burch |
Jun-04-10 10:42 PM |
#25 |
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I will answer once |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-04-10 10:52 PM |
#26 |
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They fear all the time....but is that fear ALWAYS justified? |
Ken Burch |
Jun-04-10 11:03 PM |
#28 |
| -
How long can grudges go on? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-04-10 11:16 PM |
#29 |
| -
"Where is the outrage"? |
Chulanowa |
Jun-04-10 11:41 PM |
#34 |
| -
Is the US giving $3 billion a year in aid to North Korea? |
JackRiddler |
Jun-05-10 11:42 PM |
#117 |
| -
Hey, what is the main battle tank used by egypt? |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 11:48 PM |
#122 |
| -
You're seriously using Egypt as the example? How deep would you like to dig your hole? |
JackRiddler |
Jun-06-10 01:35 AM |
#132 |
| -
This is a pet issue |
Pavulon |
Jun-06-10 08:41 AM |
#162 |
| -
Again, is the US officially involved in the Congo war? |
JackRiddler |
Jun-06-10 10:28 AM |
#176 |
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It is about claims of control. |
RandomThoughts |
Jun-04-10 11:02 PM |
#27 |
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well an american citizen was murdered...oh.. i mean died |
madrchsod |
Jun-04-10 11:34 PM |
#31 |
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Not towing your line on your pet issue, so fuck him. |
Pavulon |
Jun-04-10 11:38 PM |
#33 |
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The world is bigger than the US and Israel |
Chulanowa |
Jun-04-10 11:42 PM |
#35 |
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The IP conflict is backwater, meaningless. other than those who worship at its altar |
Pavulon |
Jun-04-10 11:46 PM |
#37 |
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The IP conflict drives much of what consumes our politics these days.. |
Fumesucker |
Jun-05-10 12:04 AM |
#40 |
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They live in overflowing toilet states. Like the DPRC |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 12:08 AM |
#41 |
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Israel has no oil.. |
Fumesucker |
Jun-05-10 12:19 AM |
#42 |
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53, who was pres then? Airliners had propellers, they hate us because of their theocrat gov |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 12:26 AM |
#43 |
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Umm.. The theocrat government is a direct result of the overthrow in 1953 |
Fumesucker |
Jun-05-10 01:16 AM |
#47 |
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Yep, but after reconstruction we moved on. E. Germans moved on, |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 12:05 PM |
#54 |
| -
Strange, "the land of the free" has the highest incarceration rate in the world.. |
Fumesucker |
Jun-05-10 07:10 PM |
#81 |
| -
Victims of the drug war. Hint, not white people |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 11:25 PM |
#104 |
| -
Ah, that makes it so much better... |
Fumesucker |
Jun-06-10 01:44 AM |
#133 |
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Oh i Get it. Palestinians are the regional poor |
Pavulon |
Jun-06-10 08:38 AM |
#161 |
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It took over a century to get rid of Jim Crow.. |
Fumesucker |
Jun-06-10 10:00 AM |
#171 |
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And who made those "toilet states"? |
Chulanowa |
Jun-05-10 12:36 AM |
#46 |
| -
Whoa partner. The us did not back an attack on kuwait |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 07:27 AM |
#50 |
| -
Actually we did |
Chulanowa |
Jun-05-10 12:02 PM |
#52 |
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Care to back that with a primary source? |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 12:03 PM |
#53 |
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Sure thing |
Chulanowa |
Jun-05-10 12:48 PM |
#64 |
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Did you actually read that doc? |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 01:09 PM |
#72 |
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It states both |
Chulanowa |
Jun-06-10 12:30 AM |
#127 |
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No it discuses military drills and clearly does not say we support the invasion. |
Pavulon |
Jun-06-10 08:42 AM |
#163 |
| -
Wrong on East Germany |
SOS |
Jun-06-10 10:26 AM |
#175 |
| -
Well the wonders of communism can still be found in Cuba or North Korea |
Pavulon |
Jun-06-10 12:05 PM |
#180 |
| -
Unified Germany - Love it or Leave It! |
SOS |
Jun-06-10 11:55 PM |
#192 |
| -
Not quite correct |
Chulanowa |
Jun-05-10 12:31 AM |
#44 |
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IP is a line item on agendas of oil rich states. Note the wall egypt built |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 07:30 AM |
#51 |
| -
Note that Egypt is a puppet state |
Chulanowa |
Jun-05-10 12:55 PM |
#66 |
| -
And yet you've commented on it as much, if not more, than almost everyone here. |
Forkboy |
Jun-05-10 02:13 PM |
#76 |
| -
Its to hot to work in the yard... |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 03:04 PM |
#80 |
| -
There's certainly some hot air floating around..... |
Forkboy |
Jun-06-10 08:46 AM |
#166 |
| -
Queue video...Its fake though right? |
Pavulon |
Jun-06-10 09:03 AM |
#169 |
| -
You seem to want to argue with what you say instead of what I say. |
Forkboy |
Jun-06-10 09:18 AM |
#170 |
| -
Strongly disagree, because of the number of people in other countries who care about it. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jun-05-10 07:22 PM |
#84 |
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Nope, they are puppets. That is why egypt built a wall and Jordan |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 11:23 PM |
#103 |
| -
That's really not gonna win you any friends, Pavulon. |
Zix |
Jun-06-10 03:53 AM |
#149 |
| -
Biden, SHUT THE FUCK UP, ASSHOLE. |
chimpymustgo |
Jun-04-10 11:46 PM |
#38 |
| -
Watch it here, get facts. |
elleng |
Jun-05-10 07:28 PM |
#85 |
| -
No big deal that our citizens are getting abducted, tortured, and murdered? |
New Dawn |
Jun-04-10 11:51 PM |
#39 |
| -
*FACEPLAM* @ Joe |
Odin2005 |
Jun-05-10 12:07 PM |
#55 |
| -
He knows it's BS. |
frustrated_lefty |
Jun-05-10 12:08 PM |
#58 |
| -
Biden is a neo-lib and a mouthpiece for the administration. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jun-05-10 01:01 PM |
#68 |
| -
Exactly. nt |
snagglepuss |
Jun-05-10 11:48 PM |
#123 |
| -
What's the surprise here |
upi402 |
Jun-05-10 02:08 PM |
#74 |
| -
'we're open to international participation' - since it was in intl. waters that would be nice |
Bluebear |
Jun-05-10 02:55 PM |
#79 |
| -
Guardian has it WRONG! |
elleng |
Jun-05-10 07:21 PM |
#83 |
| -
What do you expect from Israel shills? |
Voluntary1 |
Jun-05-10 11:10 PM |
#94 |
| -
You mean the guys with pipes? |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 11:22 PM |
#102 |
| -
He was shot at close range with four bullets to his head and |
Voluntary1 |
Jun-05-10 11:36 PM |
#110 |
| -
With a pistol. Ever had any military training |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 11:42 PM |
#118 |
| -
No evidece that Furkan Dogan had a pistol |
Voluntary1 |
Jun-06-10 12:01 AM |
#126 |
| -
There is no evidence PERIOD. Everyone is surfing on emotion and little fact |
Pavulon |
Jun-06-10 08:57 AM |
#168 |
| -
Hey they were clearly asking for murder, they picked up pipes |
Rex |
Jun-05-10 11:31 PM |
#107 |
| -
I will up the bet. $500 cash if you let a high school kid |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 11:38 PM |
#112 |
| -
You can try and justify bullets to pipes for defense all you want to |
Rex |
Jun-05-10 11:41 PM |
#115 |
| -
I dont count, neither do you. State department, and potus do |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 11:45 PM |
#120 |
| -
Wrong, you are not important since you believe that |
Rex |
Jun-05-10 11:49 PM |
#124 |
| -
Orwellian language aside, the humanitarians on the other boats were not harmed |
Pavulon |
Jun-05-10 11:52 PM |
#125 |
| -
Only 9. |
Zix |
Jun-06-10 03:31 AM |
#140 |
| -
The people on the other boats who used no violence |
Pavulon |
Jun-06-10 08:24 AM |
#153 |
| -
Really? |
Chulanowa |
Jun-06-10 12:56 AM |
#130 |
| -
State has a clear position on this. |
Pavulon |
Jun-06-10 08:46 AM |
#167 |
| -
With a helmet on, full combat gear and a gun to hold up to protect my face? |
Prometheus Bound |
Jun-06-10 01:05 AM |
#131 |
| -
Dressed like the guys in the video |
Pavulon |
Jun-06-10 08:44 AM |
#165 |
| -
Nope. Definitely helmets. |
Prometheus Bound |
Jun-06-10 07:20 PM |
#191 |
| -
Well, soldiers wear helmets and body armor. A pipe to the head won't do as much damage. |
Selatius |
Jun-06-10 04:56 AM |
#150 |
| -
The big deal joe is that people are dead. |
Zix |
Jun-06-10 03:34 AM |
#141 |
| -
I like Joe generally. |
BlueMTexpat |
Jun-06-10 08:37 AM |
#160 |
| -
I'll be wonderinng what the big deal is in November of 2012, Joe. |
Forkboy |
Jun-06-10 10:13 AM |
#173 |
| -
Ruh Ro. Meme seems to be falling apart as more photos surface. |
Pavulon |
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