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Response to Reply #47
49. Thats the current system you are talking about
Not the system that most of us are advocating. Thanks for your support.
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  -Academic Evidence that School Choice Works BrentWil  Jun-02-10 11:15 AM   #0 
  - I do support public school choice  bluestateguy   Jun-02-10 11:59 AM   #1 
  - I agree...  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 12:06 PM   #2 
  - I agree with Bluestateguy  dflprincess   Jun-02-10 01:51 PM   #27 
  - I am of the opinion that providing choice is a Trojan Horse.  olegramps   Jun-04-10 09:18 AM   #262 
  - How about this -  minavasht   Jun-02-10 12:43 PM   #3 
  - What are you going to do about special ed students?  Catshrink   Jun-02-10 12:45 PM   #4 
  - Exactly  dflprincess   Jun-02-10 12:50 PM   #5 
  - Nor does it help the kids who are "throw aways"  Catshrink   Jun-02-10 12:52 PM   #6 
  - No, I think vocational training is very important..  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 01:06 PM   #11 
  - It is a matter of choice  minavasht   Jun-02-10 01:31 PM   #19 
     - Education has to work for all students, regardless of ability..  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 01:34 PM   #22 
     - One size fits all schools don't...  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 01:53 PM   #28 
     - I agree  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 02:01 PM   #34 
        - Been lurking here for a while...  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 02:04 PM   #36 
     - Hu?  minavasht   Jun-02-10 02:14 PM   #38 
     - And this is why you are not an educator.  Catshrink   Jun-02-10 01:44 PM   #24 
     - At what age do you propose to give up on a kid who's ...  surrealAmerican   Jun-02-10 02:54 PM   #50 
     - But then again  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 03:00 PM   #52 
     - I teach those kids.  knitter4democracy   Jun-02-10 09:56 PM   #212 
        - Bless You  Mojeoux   Jun-03-10 09:53 PM   #256 
           - They do make it when you support them.  knitter4democracy   Jun-04-10 08:46 PM   #265 
  - Simple  bluestateguy   Jun-02-10 01:33 PM   #21 
     - This time I caught your sarcasm  dflprincess   Jun-02-10 01:56 PM   #31 
  - Charter schools pretty much pretend they don't exist  Dappleganger   Jun-02-10 12:53 PM   #7 
  - Much of the research takes into account external factors that affect performance  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 01:09 PM   #14 
  - Spectrum Charter Academy  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 01:58 PM   #33 
  - +1000 nt  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 02:35 PM   #40 
  - I think you would have to up the amount of resources given to these kids..  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 01:05 PM   #10 
  - And where are these increased resources going to come from?  dflprincess   Jun-02-10 01:28 PM   #17 
  - I am suggesting a new federal program..  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 01:33 PM   #20 
     - Sounds good to me  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 02:01 PM   #35 
  - Don't get me wrong  minavasht   Jun-02-10 01:42 PM   #23 
     - The system does little to take into account income and economic/social condition of the child..  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 01:45 PM   #25 
     - It's segregation.  Catshrink   Jun-02-10 01:46 PM   #26 
        - agreed  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 02:11 PM   #37 
        - +1000 nt  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 02:37 PM   #41 
  - What about them?  minavasht   Jun-02-10 01:22 PM   #15 
  - Wow!  Catshrink   Jun-02-10 01:24 PM   #16 
  - +1000  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 01:31 PM   #18 
  - No shit.  donco6   Jun-02-10 04:16 PM   #95 
  - At what age do you start applying this criteria?  dflprincess   Jun-02-10 01:55 PM   #30 
     - Hey, you still go to school  minavasht   Jun-02-10 02:41 PM   #43 
     - At what age do kids start being gifted  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 02:52 PM   #48 
        - Even a gifted child can fall behind if you don't have the right support  dflprincess   Jun-02-10 04:06 PM   #90 
        - I know a bunch of gifted kids school choice would really help out  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:08 PM   #93 
           - You're in favor of killing public education?  donco6   Jun-02-10 04:17 PM   #97 
              - I am in favor of providing every kid an adequate education  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:21 PM   #102 
                 - How far we've fallen. n/t  donco6   Jun-02-10 04:23 PM   #104 
                 - Probably so.  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:26 PM   #110 
                    - Ah. I knew you sounded familiar. n/t  donco6   Jun-02-10 04:28 PM   #112 
                       - Ummmm okay.... not sure how but okay...  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:30 PM   #116 
                       - Bingo!  proud2BlibKansan   Jun-02-10 04:50 PM   #150 
                       - Indeed....  Catshrink   Jun-02-10 04:52 PM   #152 
                 - Define adequate education.  Catshrink   Jun-02-10 04:25 PM   #108 
                    - Okay here are a few ideas  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:29 PM   #115 
                       - Oh yeah, I get the picture.  Catshrink   Jun-02-10 04:32 PM   #119 
                       - Personal experience, partially  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:37 PM   #126 
                          - God help us.  Catshrink   Jun-02-10 04:40 PM   #132 
                             - Can I make a suggestion  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:41 PM   #136 
                                - This isn't an aspie board  Catshrink   Jun-02-10 04:49 PM   #149 
                                   - I expect "this chip on my shoulder" to help me  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:54 PM   # 
                                      - Actually, more than you think  Catshrink   Jun-02-10 04:57 PM   #157 
                                         - Hmm, aspie here...  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:59 PM   #160 
                                         - Oh you'll find out soon enough.  Catshrink   Jun-02-10 05:27 PM   #175 
                                         - If I found a charter school...  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 05:33 PM   #177 
                                         - I am so glad that you "founding it."  olegramps   Jun-04-10 09:32 AM   #264 
                       - You paint a very clear picture of nothing more than unsubstainiated crapola.  olegramps   Jun-04-10 09:28 AM   #263 
        - You didn't learn anything? But you sure know how to read and write.  proud2BlibKansan   Jun-02-10 04:40 PM   #133 
           - My mom taught me how to read when I was 3, and I was always ahead of the class  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:42 PM   #139 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-02-10 04:54 PM   #155 
  - Thank you  proud2BlibKansan   Jun-02-10 01:53 PM   #29 
  - Give private schools the same amount that public schools get for said kids?  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 01:57 PM   #32 
  - Are you aware that this already is law?  Spike89   Jun-02-10 02:32 PM   #39 
  - They have to provide assisstive technology  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 02:41 PM   #44 
  - They already do get this money - even in private schools.  donco6   Jun-02-10 04:18 PM   #98 
     - Then may I ask why my friend with severe ADHD  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:22 PM   #103 
        - Non sequitur  donco6   Jun-02-10 04:26 PM   #111 
        - Public schools will pay for technology  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:32 PM   #117 
           - So you're pissed because you didn't get an individual aide?  Catshrink   Jun-02-10 04:35 PM   #122 
           - No I am pissed that I didn't get an IEP  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:39 PM   #130 
              - You'd better get over it before you start teaching  Catshrink   Jun-02-10 04:41 PM   #138 
                 - I don't plan to teach in the public education system  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:43 PM   #140 
                    - That's probably for the best.  Catshrink   Jun-02-10 04:45 PM   #143 
                       - Yea, I always thought so  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:48 PM   #146 
           - We pay for individual aides all the time.  donco6   Jun-02-10 04:41 PM   #137 
           - Glad someone is  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:44 PM   #141 
              - So you really wanted your own school? What would it have been like? n/t  donco6   Jun-02-10 04:54 PM   #154 
                 - I would have liked it to be...  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:59 PM   #159 
                    - There you go. Throwing money at the problem.  Luminous Animal   Jun-02-10 05:52 PM   #187 
                       - +1 nt  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 10:26 PM   #224 
           - They do pay for individual aides.  harry_pothead   Jun-02-10 10:52 PM   #228 
        - What? You think they hand over a check to every student?  Catshrink   Jun-02-10 04:28 PM   #113 
           - You mean at the private school or public school  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:34 PM   #121 
  - And ELL students?  Sabriel   Jun-02-10 05:16 PM   #173 
  - And all the kids who actually NEED good teachers end up in garbage dumpsters, as Ayn Rand intended,  Richard Steele   Jun-02-10 10:27 PM   #225 
  - A complex subject without easy answers  Spike89   Jun-02-10 12:58 PM   #8 
  - Word  Catshrink   Jun-02-10 01:03 PM   #9 
  - No you certainly can't.. you can however find solutions that work in current circumstances  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 01:08 PM   #13 
  - Many of the studies take social/economic factors into account and correct for their influence  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 01:07 PM   #12 
     - Some of them aren't studies, at all.  Luminous Animal   Jun-02-10 05:29 PM   #176 
  - I see. It's Reagan appreciation day on DU. Unrec. nt  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 02:40 PM   #42 
  - snort  leftstreet   Jun-02-10 02:41 PM   #45 
  - Yep you have to be conservative...  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 02:49 PM   #46 
  - Not at all. You just have to be wealthy n/t  leftstreet   Jun-02-10 02:50 PM   #47 
  - Thats the current system you are talking about  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 02:53 PM   #49 
     - Yes, the current system the RW has fought against funding. Then they can point to how it's failing  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 03:09 PM   #59 
        - Money isn't everything...  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 03:15 PM   #65 
           - Fail. The refusal to adequately fund the public school system is the problem.  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 03:18 PM   #66 
           - LOL Then how do you explain my friend  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 03:20 PM   #68 
           - Lol. You ain't seen nothin' yet. Wait til we turn the system over to the for profits.  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 03:46 PM   #80 
              - Whatever you say  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 03:48 PM   #82 
                 - Fund the fucking schools to allow for individual needs. Money IS the problem.  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 04:01 PM   #87 
                 - Was it a scam when teachers unions were pushing for it?  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:04 PM   #88 
                    - I'm sure they got it a lot cheaper from a school we were funding. Not the same thing.  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 04:08 PM   #92 
                       - Here is my problem with that...  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:12 PM   #94 
                          - Because of these experiences you're making wholesale pronouncements  Catshrink   Jun-02-10 04:24 PM   #106 
                          - Yea, thankfully Ryan Patrick Halligan will never be in charge too  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:40 PM   #134 
                          - I lost, face it? ROFL!!!!  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 10:34 PM   #226 
                 - I knew you sounded familiar!  proud2BlibKansan   Jun-02-10 04:49 PM   #148 
                    - Uhhh no?  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 05:00 PM   #162 
                       - Uhhhh yes  Catshrink   Jun-02-10 05:36 PM   #178 
                       - I was right the first time. Good job.  donco6   Jun-02-10 08:58 PM   #209 
                       - and bye bye....  Catshrink   Jun-02-10 05:41 PM   #180 
                          - Thank you mods!  proud2BlibKansan   Jun-02-10 07:38 PM   #204 
           - +1,000  maryf   Jun-02-10 09:42 PM   #210 
           - Oh, please. I raised money in Greenwich CT where EVERY family I raised money  CTyankee   Jun-02-10 07:12 PM   #203 
  - You have to be conservative to want to turn yet more of the public money over to profiteers. nt  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 02:58 PM   #51 
     - So you are saying that every private/charter school is run by profiteers  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 03:01 PM   #53 
     - If they were non-profit, wouldn't we call them Public Schools?  leftstreet   Jun-02-10 03:06 PM   #54 
     - Uh no...  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 03:10 PM   #61 
     - I have yet to see one public service privatized that did not result in increased expense & less serv  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 03:07 PM   #55 
        - There is ample evidence for this.  Catshrink   Jun-02-10 03:09 PM   #58 
        - One.. very easy to find..  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 03:10 PM   #60 
           - Perhaps one from our country  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 03:13 PM   #63 
              - How about YMCAs building gyms for schools  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 03:18 PM   #67 
              - Building gyms is not on the level of running an entire school system.  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 03:52 PM   #83 
                 - How much money would have the land that the gym was built on have cost?  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 03:55 PM   #84 
                    - Not the same thing. I'm sure the school we built was able to offer the land cheaper.  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 04:21 PM   #100 
                    - I got no services  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:24 PM   #105 
                       - I did  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 04:28 PM   #114 
                          - So your education was perfect?  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:45 PM   #142 
                             - Not perfect but nothing is perfect. But I was in a public school system that was funded.  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 10:49 PM   #227 
                    - Non-profit does not mean that money is not being made,  Luminous Animal   Jun-02-10 05:39 PM   #179 
                    - As noted, a pool does not a school system make. Nor does swimming get a standardized test.  WinkyDink   Jun-03-10 09:40 PM   #253 
              - Okay..  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 03:30 PM   #72 
                 - ROFL! Fed Ex costs a lot more than USPS. And we don't fund them with tax payer dollars. nt  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 04:26 PM   #109 
                    - Actually, they do..  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 04:37 PM   #125 
                       - the post office has never lost anything of mine. in 50 years.  Hannah Bell   Jun-02-10 05:09 PM   #166 
                          - I don't care..  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 10:21 PM   #222 
                             - See how easy that was? You have a choice when you use your own money.  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 10:55 PM   #229 
                             - Really? Why?  donco6   Jun-03-10 11:20 AM   #238 
     - Or pragmatic and in search of a better world.  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 03:08 PM   #56 
        - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jun-02-10 03:11 PM   #62 
        - I have a feeling we are fighting a losing battle  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 03:27 PM   #70 
           - I know the public schools aren't doing well. The RW has fought adequate funding.  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 04:35 PM   #123 
           - So more funding ALONE will make the public education system better?  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 05:14 PM   #170 
              - Parents of children who attend elite private schools seem to believe  Luminous Animal   Jun-02-10 05:51 PM   #186 
              - Disagree all you want.  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 10:04 PM   #216 
           - And no public institution will meet every single person's needs  Catshrink   Jun-02-10 04:38 PM   #127 
              - Maslows hierachy of needs  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:47 PM   #145 
                 - Diverting the public funds for a few cherry picked students in charter and private schools  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 10:08 PM   #217 
  - With CATO foundation sponsorship  Starry Messenger   Jun-02-10 03:08 PM   #57 
  - +1000 nt  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 03:14 PM   #64 
  - Ha! + 1 zillion.  waiting for hope   Jun-03-10 07:43 AM   #233 
  - Choice ONLY matters when it comes to abortion. Schools, Where to drink, etc, need to be controlled  The Straight Story   Jun-02-10 03:26 PM   #69 
  - *hands you a flame proof jacket*  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 03:29 PM   #71 
  - Sad one would need a flame proof jacket to be pro-choice  The Straight Story   Jun-02-10 03:37 PM   #76 
  - That explains a lot. n/t  donco6   Jun-02-10 04:07 PM   #91 
  - I'm inclined to agree  bluestateguy   Jun-02-10 04:17 PM   #96 
  - Or it could not be.  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:20 PM   #99 
  - +1000 nt  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 10:23 PM   #223 
  - You can make any choice you want with your own money. Tax dollars need to fund the public schools.  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 04:32 PM   #118 
     - So you disagree with tax dollars going to any public coorporations?  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:50 PM   #151 
        - I think we're all well aware of where for profit health care got us.  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 10:12 PM   #218 
  - I'm against privatization. My response  mmonk   Jun-02-10 03:32 PM   #73 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-02-10 03:33 PM   #74 
  - Yep, I have GOP backers who support my polices of higher taxes on the rich and giving it to poor  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 03:41 PM   #78 
  - I worked on this study many years ago. The evidence is inconclusive at best. Some "school choice"  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jun-02-10 03:34 PM   #75 
  - Well, certainly other factors matter..  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 03:40 PM   #77 
  - Of course, but the purpose was to conduct empirical work and to make sure that what we  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jun-02-10 06:52 PM   #201 
  - Some stronghold.  donco6   Jun-02-10 04:06 PM   #89 
  - A very interesting story on the power/influence of the teachers' unions and how  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jun-02-10 06:56 PM   #202 
     - No surprise, there  laughingliberal   Jun-03-10 08:03 AM   #235 
        - I agree with you on this. He seems hellbent on throwing progressives under the bus. I don't understa  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jun-03-10 02:40 PM   #241 
  - Exactly! Even bad ideas can work...  Spike89   Jun-02-10 04:48 PM   #147 
  - those studies don't show shit. only one actually looks at schools, & it's a tiny study from 1998.  Hannah Bell   Jun-02-10 03:41 PM   #79 
  - THey all look at schools with different sample sizes and use different types of academic methods.  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 03:48 PM   #81 
     - no, they don't.  Hannah Bell   Jun-02-10 03:59 PM   #85 
        - Proof that they don't?  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 04:00 PM   #86 
           - read the abstracts: carefully.  Hannah Bell   Jun-02-10 04:33 PM   #120 
              - IF you wish for the studies, I can provide them for you...  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 04:38 PM   #128 
                 - She doesn't  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 05:09 PM   #167 
                 - I'm well aware of the 'facts' the RW has been pushing in their quest to divert more of our tax dolla  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 10:16 PM   #219 
  - Let me ask you a question sir, what is this country doing for the doomed?  DefenseLawyer   Jun-02-10 04:21 PM   #101 
  - Well, something I was going to do was ensure they had money and resources to get a better education.  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 04:24 PM   #107 
  - Your "selected" students are not the issue. They'll do fine. n/t  DefenseLawyer   Jun-02-10 04:36 PM   #124 
  - If you saw what I wrote,  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 04:39 PM   #131 
     - And who is paying to send every child in America to private schools?  DefenseLawyer   Jun-02-10 04:47 PM   #144 
        - Did I say that every child would go to private schools...  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 04:53 PM   #153 
        - And children whose families are above the poverty line can suck it in bad schools?  DefenseLawyer   Jun-02-10 04:57 PM   #158 
           - Most private schools are not for profits  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 05:05 PM   #164 
           - Directors and administrators of non-profits work for free?  DefenseLawyer   Jun-02-10 05:13 PM   #169 
           - LOL do principals work for free?  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 05:15 PM   #172 
           - It doesn't have to be a private school. It is federal money and could easily go to the local  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 06:05 PM   #192 
           - Oh, just wait til we open the gates for tax dollars to start being paid to them.  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 10:18 PM   #220 
           - What are you talking about?  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 05:44 PM   #182 
        - Why would every parent in America want to educate their kid in private schools  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 05:02 PM   #163 
           - No, they are not. We have been underfunding the public schools for years  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 10:21 PM   #221 
  - Sure. We see how well all the competition and free market crap worked out for our health care system  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 04:39 PM   #129 
     - Bad example...  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 04:40 PM   #135 
     - That's why I called it free market crap. Results will be exactly as they've been in health care.  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 09:52 PM   #211 
     - You misunderstand  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 05:12 PM   #168 
        - I understand perfectly. You're being deceived.  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 09:58 PM   #213 
  - We're teaching them. Send them my way.  knitter4democracy   Jun-02-10 09:59 PM   #214 
  - May all those in favor have to plan a public school budget, with staff, sports teams, textbook pur-  WinkyDink   Jun-02-10 04:56 PM   #156 
  - Correlation/Causation etc. etc.  Xithras   Jun-02-10 05:00 PM   #161 
  - The studies correct for this..  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 05:47 PM   #183 
  - The studies seem promising  gravity   Jun-02-10 05:07 PM   #165 
  - the studies aren't studies. there are plenty of ideas; they just don't benefit the rulers.  Hannah Bell   Jun-02-10 05:14 PM   #171 
  - Really? How so... where is the data/analysis error in the studies..  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 05:50 PM   #185 
  - Where did you read these studies?  Luminous Animal   Jun-02-10 05:44 PM   #181 
     - If you want the PDF, just email me..  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 05:54 PM   #189 
        - I was asking Gravity.  Luminous Animal   Jun-02-10 06:20 PM   #194 
  - A little help here...  aspiesrule   Jun-02-10 05:25 PM   #174 
  - "After Milwaukee"  Gormy Cuss   Jun-02-10 05:49 PM   #184 
  - I have provided studies that contradict that..  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 05:52 PM   #188 
     - Why do you have to target vouchers to the poor? Why not just fund their public schools?  Gormy Cuss   Jun-02-10 06:06 PM   #193 
        - Because I want the power with the poor..  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 06:22 PM   #195 
           - If you want to empower the poor, fund the public schools and public universities.  Gormy Cuss   Jun-02-10 06:31 PM   #199 
              - It would be federal money..  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 06:42 PM   #200 
                 - Federal money is taxpayer money.  Gormy Cuss   Jun-02-10 07:43 PM   #205 
                    - For what results?  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 08:03 PM   #206 
                       - The results of better educations for all children regardless of parental circumstances.  Gormy Cuss   Jun-02-10 08:08 PM   #207 
                          - 16K per student hasn't helped in NY...  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 08:21 PM   #208 
                             - There you have it. 10K won't get you through the door of most private schools.  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 11:03 PM   #230 
                                - Where do you live? That's more than they cost here.  knitter4democracy   Jun-03-10 09:21 PM   #246 
                                - The person can send the kid to public school...  BrentWil   Jun-04-10 08:33 AM   #261 
  - I've ranted against vouchers before...  jmowreader   Jun-02-10 05:55 PM   #190 
  - If you read the thread, the vouchers would be for low income families  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 06:01 PM   #191 
     - Watch the "conditions" fade away...  jmowreader   Jun-02-10 06:22 PM   #196 
        - I can't take advantage of it..  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 06:28 PM   #197 
        - You're probably not one of the ones pushing it  jmowreader   Jun-03-10 04:10 PM   #242 
           - The people who are the most vocal about wanting vouchers don't really need them  BrentWil   Jun-04-10 08:29 AM   #260 
        - I can't take advantage of it..  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 06:28 PM   #198 
        - +10,000 nt  laughingliberal   Jun-02-10 11:04 PM   #231 
  - Actually cleaning up their schools and making them work works better.  knitter4democracy   Jun-02-10 10:02 PM   #215 
  - Again,  BrentWil   Jun-02-10 11:41 PM   #232 
     - Parents do have that power, even in poor neighborhoods.  knitter4democracy   Jun-03-10 09:16 PM   #244 
        - And part of the problem is that school have no reason to want them to attend...  BrentWil   Jun-06-10 07:58 AM   #271 
  - Public school choice works  LWolf   Jun-03-10 07:59 AM   #234 
  - my grandson's school is a good example of public school innovation.  CTyankee   Jun-03-10 09:45 AM   #236 
  - it is a question of "thinking outside of the box."  BrentWil   Jun-03-10 11:20 AM   #239 
  - Immersion schools are one great example of choices that public ed  LWolf   Jun-03-10 09:37 PM   #250 
     - I wish you could see this school! When I visit, I notice a sea of diversity  CTyankee   Jun-04-10 07:10 AM   #258 
  - How is what I suggesting union busting?  BrentWil   Jun-03-10 11:03 AM   #237 
  - Charters and private schools aren't unionized.  knitter4democracy   Jun-03-10 09:20 PM   #245 
  - The money doesn't have to go to a charter school  BrentWil   Jun-03-10 09:38 PM   #251 
     - Your Freudian slip is showing.  knitter4democracy   Jun-03-10 09:39 PM   #252 
        - That isn't what I am saying..  BrentWil   Jun-04-10 08:07 AM   #259 
  - Union-busting is one of the main goals of the charter movement.  LWolf   Jun-03-10 09:40 PM   #254 
  - Yes.  donco6   Jun-03-10 11:22 AM   #240 
     - Your district is a perfect example. With a focus on supporting  LWolf   Jun-03-10 09:34 PM   #248 
     - How would this sort of federal money destroy them?  BrentWil   Jun-05-10 08:09 AM   #268 
  - I find it interesting that no one has asked for me to email them the study...  BrentWil   Jun-03-10 08:57 PM   #243 
  - It's because those of us in education know most education studies are crap.  knitter4democracy   Jun-03-10 09:23 PM   #247 
     - because that isn't the majority of the evidence...  BrentWil   Jun-03-10 09:37 PM   #249 
        - I doubt it. I've read too many studies in my time.  knitter4democracy   Jun-03-10 09:43 PM   #255 
           - Love the amount of academic curiosity the board shows when there is evidence the world doesn't work  BrentWil   Jun-03-10 10:03 PM   #257 
  - Sure its better. All the troubled kids get shoved out of the  DebJ   Jun-04-10 09:10 PM   #266 
     - It isn't about charter, public, or private schools..  BrentWil   Jun-04-10 10:08 PM   #267 
        - You want to give them educational resources, then start fully funding public education  MadHound   Jun-05-10 08:23 AM   #269 
           - A few points..  BrentWil   Jun-05-10 09:01 AM   #270 
 

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