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244. My assertion is that being locked away for 6-7 hours a day with only your same
age peers is limiting. Nowhere did I say that regular schoolers didn't have other activities. I was simply trying to counter your assertion that home schooled children don't get out. Nowhere else in life will people encounter being required to spend 6-7 hours, 5 days per week with only their same age peers. It's a completely artificial environment and doesn't provide experience for anything other than that specific experience. Who wants their 5 year old "socialized" by 30 other 5 year olds? So much better to be around people of all ages and learn to cope by interacting in the real world. sHome schooling is a term, not a description of what happens when you don't attend regular school. It's an alternative approach. There certainly are home schooler who are fanatical about hiding their children away from the real world, but they don't represent the majority and they really don't represent the majority of children who's parents home school them for academic reasons as these parents do and as we do. We're never home! We are out in the community interacting with all. Micromanaging? Yes that's what occurs in school. You can't even pee without permission! We encounter good and bad people and teachers too. We learn to deal with that in the normal course of every day activities. Your entire argument is based on what the NEA says about home schooling to argue that kids need to be publicly school or something awful will happen and they won't know how to cope. Public school isn't about education. It's about conforming behavior, control, learning to stand in line, endless waiting for the teacher to get the class under control and accepting a worker bee position in life and not complaining about it.

You're absolutely wrong about studies indicating that home schooled kids don't do better than the average regular schooled students. Studies prove the opposite and colleges accept home schooled children at higher rates than private or publicly schooled children.

Have you read anything in this thread that actual home schoolers have written? People who actual live the life and walk the walk? How totally bizarre for you to continue to repeat propaganda instead of researching to find out the truth. You don't even have to research, you can read it here. Check out the website hoagiesgifted.org You just have to open your mind and allow in a new concept. Yes, I'm sure that was a snarky comment and irritates. I've been hearing the garbage you're spouting for years and biting my tongue. We do not sit around the kitchen table with a bible and never let our kids out of the house. People who do that are not educating, they're abusing. They and their methods have nothing to do with this topic. This topic is about gifted children and education. Mom and Dad are not the sole sources of input any more than they are in any other child's life. We attend classes taught by actual teachers and experts in their fields. My son speaks 6 languages. I speak one. How could that be if I'm his only resource? We've encountered some great teachers and some not so great. We discard what doesn't work for us and move on. There are so many resources out there we couldn't possible use them all.

This isn't about ego or control. This is about education and not wishing the dumbed down life my children and this 13 year old found in school. Schools are not equipped, in most instances, to educate kids at either end of the spectrum without additional education for their teachers and differentiated programs. Most fail the gifted miserably by relegating them to mini teacher status, alienating them from the very age peers they're forced to spend their days with and providing no actual learning for that child.

There are no infallible parents. You got that one right. I don't claim to be and I know only a few who are so foolish.

"If I've read about home schooled children"? You need to read, because you clearly have no experience. I have read voraciously on the subject. I've had my children in public school and been forced to home school. I just wish I'd done it sooner before my son suffered so much bullying and abuse... by teachers and age peers. My son is now attending one of the most academic colleges in the nation. Many gifted home schoolers do. Read the statistics about SAT scores. Gifted home schoolers do extremely well.

Why are you so convinced that someone who makes choices different from the norm must have some odd agenda? That's not a remotely liberal or progressive view. Like all good parents we want an education for our children. If they cannot get one in school it would be abusive to leave them there. It took my son almost a year to recover from 4 years of public school. We put in a sweet, eager, polite and engaged child and got back a snarling, angry person we didn't recognize. He told me at 8 years old that everything I'd taught him about getting along with others was a lie. Being nice, considerate and kind got him nowhere. The other kids only liked him when he was mean like them were. We tried to fight the system to get him what he needed and at some point you simply have to move on and admit that you're not going to achieve change in time for it to be of any use to your child. I was told by the district that if I wanted the education that the law mandated I'd have to sue to get it and they'd fight it until my child was out of school and beyond. I was told that by the asst. superintendent and the director of instruction. I finally believed them and there has been no forward movement since we left the system. I think my time was much better spent facilitating my children's education than being in court for years to no avail.

Home schooling isn't for everyone, but it's a completely reasonable and usually well thought out decision that many choose to make and others are forced to make.



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  -Parents fight college that won't admit daughter, Anastasia Megan — she's 13 The Straight Story  May-30-10 03:08 PM   #0 
  - When I was in college we had a 14 year old boy in our class. I can't say that his situation would  Happyhippychick   May-30-10 03:13 PM   #1 
  - You can't really home school college level though  TransitJohn   May-30-10 03:21 PM   #4 
  - It is called distance learning today, many colleges, most have options for it and several have  jp11   May-30-10 03:27 PM   #8 
  - I knew a man here in Florida who stated his son, the doctor, was the  monmouth   May-30-10 03:53 PM   #16 
  - 8 or 9? Holy cow. Wonder if most of em were home-schooled, or at genius  tigereye   May-30-10 08:53 PM   #65 
  - According to the article they allow 15 year olds attend the college  tammywammy   May-30-10 03:48 PM   #14 
  - that's what I was thinking- there must be thousands of these kids out there  tigereye   May-30-10 08:56 PM   #67 
  - I interviewed for the Program for the Exceptionally Gifted.  moriah   May-30-10 08:57 PM   #68 
     - I read a bit on the site  tammywammy   May-30-10 09:07 PM   #72 
  - Dead tour? That's not backsliding,  Morning Dew   May-30-10 09:01 PM   #69 
  - Home schooling  sense   May-30-10 04:10 PM   #21 
  - This Is About Way More Than Learning  NashVegas   May-30-10 08:30 PM   #56 
  - What isn't appropriate is to  sense   May-30-10 09:58 PM   #79 
     - Nice Way to Parse Words  NashVegas   May-31-10 07:50 AM   #130 
        - Having no understanding of gifted children  sense   May-31-10 03:50 PM   #142 
           - Sense, you understand the mind of a gifted child... they are tossed aside and parents do the best  NotThisTime   Jun-01-10 12:20 AM   #207 
  - We ran into some of that when we returned to the US  ProgressiveProfessor   May-30-10 10:22 PM   #85 
  - I started college at 14.  girl gone mad   May-30-10 08:39 PM   #61 
  - I wanted to add..  girl gone mad   May-31-10 07:05 PM   #172 
     - Good for you!  Dappleganger   Jun-01-10 02:48 PM   #236 
  - I know a guy who went to college at 15  Ex Lurker   May-30-10 11:48 PM   #104 
  - I had no trouble getting into bars when I was underage either.  sense   May-31-10 04:04 PM   #147 
  - I disagree  USArmyParatrooper   Jun-01-10 12:37 AM   #210 
  - There's no reason she can't do both  Hippo_Tron   Jun-01-10 02:35 AM   #217 
  - Thanks  Big Picture   Jun-01-10 03:40 PM   #241 
  - Wow, what really stupid parents...and they taught this girl? She's not  joeybee12   May-30-10 03:19 PM   #2 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   May-30-10 03:22 PM   #5 
  - surely you forgot  mzteris   May-30-10 03:46 PM   #13 
  - They're stupid?  sense   May-30-10 04:14 PM   #23 
  - Wow, nice hatched job on gifted kids!  Odin2005   May-30-10 04:27 PM   #28 
  - What the ****, joey. That's a really simplistic response to a complicated issue.  madinmaryland   May-30-10 04:37 PM   #33 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-30-10 08:34 PM   #58 
  - How wonderful that you make these assumptions....  moriah   May-30-10 09:02 PM   #70 
     - Plus, they drop out  sense   May-30-10 10:21 PM   #84 
        - Hell, if I'd dropped out, I'd have been better off....  moriah   May-31-10 02:31 AM   #124 
  - I was in college at 16 best thing I ever did... my son was accepted at 13 and would have  NotThisTime   May-30-10 03:19 PM   #3 
  - I understand where the college president is coming from.  Dr Morbius   May-30-10 03:26 PM   #6 
  - Hadn't thought of that.  Iggo   May-30-10 03:37 PM   #11 
  - Are college classes"unsupervised" these days? Mine all had teachers.  WinkyDink   May-30-10 08:35 PM   #59 
  - Before and after class is unsupervised, as are study groups.  knitter4democracy   May-31-10 03:17 PM   #138 
  - Being home schooled, I'm sure that her relationship  sense   May-31-10 04:13 PM   #149 
  - Parents don't have as many rights at a college, though.  knitter4democracy   May-31-10 11:12 PM   #188 
     - I'm quite certain the parents are willing  sense   May-31-10 11:55 PM   #200 
  - So you think she's going to be..  girl gone mad   May-31-10 06:25 PM   #167 
     - Not necessarily.  knitter4democracy   May-31-10 11:11 PM   #187 
        - Everything you mention could happen just as easily in high school.  sense   Jun-01-10 02:09 AM   #214 
        - If it's really that big of a concern, they could hire a female student to look after her  Hippo_Tron   Jun-01-10 02:29 AM   #216 
  - I am a college professor. I don't "supervise" my students.  Xithras   Jun-01-10 03:45 PM   #243 
  - Well, the "unsupervised" part is not that hard to prevent.  eppur_se_muova   May-31-10 03:43 PM   #141 
  - I sometimes have high school (usually 16 or 17) students in  enlightenment   May-30-10 03:26 PM   #7 
  - Best post on the subject. The parents might want to consider all of the  stanwyck   May-30-10 03:37 PM   #12 
  - We naturally mature at different rates, just  sense   May-31-10 04:58 PM   #158 
     - Good points. However, being the daughter or two teachers,  stanwyck   Jun-01-10 02:01 PM   #232 
        - There is no evidence to suggest that her parents haven't or aren't willing to  sense   Jun-01-10 02:45 PM   #235 
           - Again, good points. However, your assertion that  stanwyck   Jun-01-10 03:33 PM   #240 
              - My assertion is that being locked away for 6-7 hours a day with only your same  sense   Jun-01-10 04:49 PM   #244 
  - There's definitely something to what you say  JerseygirlCT   May-30-10 04:01 PM   #18 
  - Yes, reading is good, but there's no point  sense   May-30-10 10:42 PM   #88 
  - Sadly, my son  sense   May-30-10 04:22 PM   #24 
  - I think you need to look up the word discrimination.  enlightenment   May-30-10 09:56 PM   #78 
     - Contradicting your own advice and still not  sense   May-30-10 10:30 PM   #86 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   May-30-10 11:52 PM   #106 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-10 12:14 AM   #114 
  - This exact issue is what crossed my mind first.  GreenEyedLefty   May-31-10 04:39 PM   #154 
  - If she can't be challenged academically any more it's because she  joeybee12   May-30-10 03:29 PM   #9 
  - She certainly won't win in the court of public opinion  Arkana   May-30-10 04:03 PM   #20 
  - Oh, my god!  sense   May-30-10 04:32 PM   #30 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   May-30-10 07:31 PM   #49 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-30-10 08:48 PM   #62 
     - They already punish the bright kids, my daughter was told to sit in the back of the class since she  NotThisTime   May-30-10 11:51 PM   #105 
        - Our experience was the same.....  sense   May-31-10 12:18 AM   #115 
        - Nope, you're wrong, they only educate those who are average, anything above that and it's the  NotThisTime   May-31-10 05:28 PM   #161 
        - You're right. And they completely leave the bright kids out of any  DevonRex   Jun-01-10 03:03 PM   #238 
           - you're right, for the most part they do NOT fit in with their age peers. My son is 5 years ahead  NotThisTime   Jun-01-10 03:14 PM   #239 
  - Try to update  sense   May-30-10 04:24 PM   #26 
  - No use, the Homeschooling haters have internalized the "Socialization" propaganda...  Odin2005   May-30-10 04:34 PM   #32 
     - No, we've met too many parents who believe that  Missy Vixen   May-30-10 05:44 PM   #38 
     - The plural of anectdote is not data.  Odin2005   May-30-10 06:38 PM   #40 
     - "The plural of anectdote is not data."  tammywammy   May-30-10 07:28 PM   #47 
     - No problem!  Odin2005   May-30-10 08:21 PM   #53 
     - Use, repeatedly, on anti-vaxers......n/t  msanthrope   May-31-10 04:17 PM   #150 
     - Before you slap me down for not believing that homeschooling  Missy Vixen   May-31-10 12:38 AM   #116 
     - There is oversight and accountability in most states.  sense   May-31-10 01:13 AM   #120 
     - If that someone is a self-styled "teacher", it's damn well relevant  Missy Vixen   May-31-10 02:19 PM   #137 
        - Sheesh...  sense   May-31-10 04:33 PM   #152 
     - dupe-oops.  sense   May-31-10 01:13 AM   #121 
     - The family in the OP isn't "most families"  Hippo_Tron   Jun-01-10 02:44 AM   #220 
     - And, by the way,  Missy Vixen   May-31-10 12:50 AM   #118 
     - Sufficient education to function in the world?  sense   May-31-10 01:20 AM   #122 
     - "Anectdote" doesn't look right. nt  Obamanaut   May-31-10 04:52 PM   #156 
        - Oh wow, a typo. Jeez.  Odin2005   May-31-10 11:48 PM   #197 
           - by someone promoting homeschooling...  snooper2   Jun-01-10 02:05 PM   #233 
     - Sorry to hear that your anecdotal experience has been  sense   May-30-10 10:38 PM   #87 
     - The Issue Is Not Homeschooling  NashVegas   May-31-10 07:53 AM   #131 
        - Learning shouldn't have age criteria.  sense   May-31-10 04:46 PM   #155 
           - I was reading at four  Missy Vixen   May-31-10 09:54 PM   #185 
              - Kay!  sense   May-31-10 10:49 PM   #186 
              - I was punished a lot because I corrected ignorant teachers.  Odin2005   May-31-10 11:52 PM   #199 
              - Exactly!  sense   Jun-01-10 12:03 AM   #206 
              - Everyone is special, aren't they?  Missy Vixen   Jun-01-10 01:23 AM   #211 
                 - Oversight is a good thing...don't twist my words to make them  sense   Jun-01-10 02:25 AM   #215 
                    - I'm done talking with you  Missy Vixen   Jun-01-10 01:37 PM   #231 
                       - cool.  sense   Jun-01-10 02:07 PM   #234 
              - like many autistics I'm hyperlexic, i was reading at just over 3.  Odin2005   May-31-10 11:50 PM   #198 
              - Dupe, sorry  moriah   Jun-01-10 03:24 AM   #225 
              - Agreed on the comprehensive hold harmless agreement.  moriah   Jun-01-10 03:27 AM   #227 
  - Uh, unless this gal has an autism spectrum disorder she doesn't need to be taught "social skills".  Odin2005   May-30-10 04:32 PM   #29 
  - Absolutely!  sense   May-30-10 04:33 PM   #31 
  - Or perhaps she absorbed academics very quickly?  moriah   May-31-10 12:00 AM   #111 
  - Similar thing happened  H2O Man   May-30-10 03:32 PM   #10 
  - "What's the worst that can happen?"...  SidDithers   May-30-10 03:52 PM   #15 
  - Teacher's feeling insecure about  sense   May-30-10 11:00 PM   #93 
     - No, much worse than that.  knitter4democracy   May-31-10 03:21 PM   #139 
        - The profs are as likely to engage in all of those things.  sense   May-31-10 04:39 PM   #153 
           - Sure, but they're supervised and monitored to a degree.  knitter4democracy   May-31-10 11:13 PM   #189 
              - There is no more danger there than at the mall.  sense   Jun-01-10 12:02 AM   #205 
  - there are early admissions programs now for this, including Mary Baldwin (in VA)  zazen   May-30-10 03:59 PM   #17 
  - exactly. why bother with a glorified trade school?  northzax   May-30-10 08:53 PM   #66 
  - My son attended a cc because he could choose the more  sense   May-30-10 10:51 PM   #90 
  - My experience was completely different.  girl gone mad   May-30-10 09:07 PM   #71 
  - This sounds much more like the experiences  sense   May-30-10 10:55 PM   #92 
  - As I posted earlier, if finances are limited...  moriah   May-30-10 09:10 PM   #73 
  - that sounds sensible if the parents are able to find such a program..  tigereye   May-30-10 09:17 PM   #74 
  - I did an early admission program--full-time at 15. It worked for me. n/t  msanthrope   May-31-10 04:20 PM   #151 
  - Thumbs down--I'd side with the college.  Arkana   May-30-10 04:02 PM   #19 
  - Where are you accessing these so-called facts?  sense   May-30-10 04:39 PM   #34 
  - Home schooling leaves you with no social skills?  Riftaxe   May-30-10 05:56 PM   #39 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-30-10 09:24 PM   #75 
  - Is this some kind of self-defense mechanism you're working on?  rockymountaindem   May-30-10 07:31 PM   #50 
  - If she has passed the required  Nite Owl   May-30-10 04:14 PM   #22 
  - That was my son's experience.  sense   May-30-10 04:44 PM   #35 
  - Book smart vs. street smart  Stargazer09   May-30-10 04:22 PM   #25 
  - No one is suggesting  sense   May-30-10 04:48 PM   #36 
     - I wasn't suggesting that, either  Stargazer09   May-30-10 07:21 PM   #44 
  - Smart young lady. I don't see what the problem is.  Odin2005   May-30-10 04:25 PM   #27 
  - Pervasive fear, from the looks of it  depakid   May-30-10 06:55 PM   #42 
     - Parents have been whipped up into paranoia by the MSM.  Odin2005   May-30-10 07:15 PM   #43 
        - In this case, it's Florida institutions  depakid   May-30-10 08:02 PM   #52 
  - I was in college at age 14.  glen123098   May-30-10 05:04 PM   #37 
  - I agree completely! I wish I could have done what you did!  Odin2005   May-30-10 06:39 PM   #41 
  - Yeah that's what I was thinking  Johonny   May-30-10 07:58 PM   #51 
  - Thank you! My son was bullied in school  sense   May-30-10 11:09 PM   #94 
  - I understand the college's position. Perhaps vetted chaperones could be found to minimize the risk  aikoaiko   May-30-10 07:24 PM   #45 
  - IMHO, YMMV  Missy Vixen   Jun-01-10 01:33 PM   #230 
  - I have been a college student  SheilaT   May-30-10 07:25 PM   #46 
  - That's a very good idea, especially for gifted kids like this gal.  Odin2005   May-30-10 08:23 PM   #54 
  - So you'd send her to a foreign country by herself instead of  sense   May-30-10 11:21 PM   #95 
     - There's all kinds of learning besides what you take classes for.  wickerwoman   May-31-10 02:41 AM   #125 
        - I agree that learning is 24/7 and isn't  sense   May-31-10 03:13 AM   #127 
  - I don't think this would pass the test as age discrimination, from what I  Dream Girl   May-30-10 07:28 PM   #48 
  - How sad that children are not considered  sense   May-30-10 11:25 PM   #97 
  - I left high school and started college at 16  marshall   May-30-10 08:30 PM   #55 
  - I wish I could have done the same!  sense   May-30-10 11:27 PM   #98 
  - OMG, "safety issues"?? Really? I mean, REALLY? [tmSNL] Get a grip, Mr. Mojock.  WinkyDink   May-30-10 08:32 PM   #57 
  - I guess you have never heard of child molestation?? Grown women are raped on campus,now imagine  Pisces   May-30-10 08:36 PM   #60 
     - I attended the school that engendered the law that has colleges report crimes on campus.  WinkyDink   May-30-10 08:50 PM   #63 
     - Was the murder that guy that was stabbed in the library?  struggle4progress   May-31-10 04:38 AM   #128 
     - It's a community college. She'll go to class and go home, not live on campus.  LeftyMom   May-30-10 10:00 PM   #80 
     - But there are still issues there.  knitter4democracy   May-31-10 03:26 PM   #140 
        - There are dangers everywhere  sense   May-31-10 05:11 PM   #159 
        - They're her parents, though, and not the college president.  knitter4democracy   May-31-10 11:23 PM   #193 
           - Why would you think that her parents would  sense   Jun-01-10 12:26 AM   #209 
        - Or she could just go to class..  girl gone mad   May-31-10 06:31 PM   #168 
        - In a perfect world, that could and should happen.  knitter4democracy   May-31-10 11:19 PM   #192 
        - At community college?  girl gone mad   Jun-01-10 01:46 AM   #212 
        - You're leaving out he parents role  sense   Jun-01-10 02:41 AM   #218 
        - I vote for this one! Post #168  sense   Jun-01-10 02:43 AM   #219 
        - All of that could happen at her local public high school too.  LeftyMom   May-31-10 06:37 PM   #169 
           - I know. I teach at an alternative high school.  knitter4democracy   May-31-10 11:16 PM   #191 
              - The people who get to determine her best interests? Her parents.  LeftyMom   May-31-10 11:47 PM   #196 
              - What would make you think that  sense   Jun-01-10 03:04 AM   #222 
     - Are you serious?  Dappleganger   Jun-01-10 02:49 PM   #237 
  - hmm, why don't they find a college that has more programs for ultra- gifted  tigereye   May-30-10 08:51 PM   #64 
  - Good luck with that!  sense   May-30-10 11:35 PM   #100 
     - I don't know, I have encountered many schools in my life that do encourage  tigereye   May-31-10 09:12 AM   #132 
        - Obviously my view is just my view, but it's  sense   May-31-10 05:24 PM   #160 
           - I guess I thought that there were many more programs for highly gifted kids  tigereye   May-31-10 08:40 PM   #180 
              - Sadly, I think education has been affected by the political climate  sense   May-31-10 09:13 PM   #182 
  - I can see the school's POV...on liability  fortyfeetunder   May-30-10 09:34 PM   #76 
  - That wasn't a problem for the  sense   May-30-10 11:40 PM   #101 
     - The liability spectrum between high school and college  fortyfeetunder   May-31-10 02:45 AM   #126 
        - Perfection isn't available and not what they're searching for  sense   May-31-10 05:31 PM   #162 
  - The parents are wrong. I'm in college...  adoraz   May-30-10 09:42 PM   #77 
  - Not try to stir shit?  sense   May-30-10 11:47 PM   #103 
     - "locked up in high school"?  adoraz   May-30-10 11:59 PM   #109 
        - Locked up with only your age peers,  sense   May-31-10 12:41 AM   #117 
  - "What's the worst that can happen, honestly?"  Ned Bro   May-30-10 10:07 PM   #81 
  - So people should not send kids to college out of fear of rape? Fear, Fear, Fear, terra, terra, terra  The Straight Story   May-30-10 10:09 PM   #82 
     - People shouldn't be sending their 13-year-old daughters!  Ned Bro   May-30-10 10:11 PM   #83 
        - It's a community college. She's not going away to school, she'll take classes where she lives.  LeftyMom   May-30-10 10:45 PM   #89 
        - Wow! I'm sure glad you're not in charge.  sense   May-30-10 11:53 PM   #107 
  - Even though it isn't any kind of degree program  hyphenate   May-30-10 10:53 PM   #91 
  - That is a good option, but doesn't work for many and  sense   May-30-10 11:56 PM   #108 
  - Did anyone other than me notice that the article said  hyphenate   May-30-10 11:22 PM   #96 
  - I noticed that too  tammywammy   May-30-10 11:28 PM   #99 
  - Nothing wrong with that.  sense   May-31-10 12:02 AM   #112 
  - The story is about her, not her siblings  sense   May-31-10 12:00 AM   #110 
  - College isn't just education  Renew Deal   May-30-10 11:44 PM   #102 
  - The typical 13 year old isn't ready for college, but  sense   May-31-10 12:08 AM   #113 
     - learning is 24/7 for many kids...  tigereye   May-31-10 09:21 AM   #133 
     - thank you for articulating what has been going  MrsMatt   May-31-10 03:52 PM   #143 
     - sure! I suppose that I may have a bit more positive attitude, certainly there  tigereye   May-31-10 08:33 PM   #179 
     - Because I'm advocating that we all do the best  sense   May-31-10 05:57 PM   #164 
        - I simply don't encounter schools that operate that way - the new methods  tigereye   May-31-10 08:31 PM   #178 
           - I'm quite certain that our experiences color the way  sense   May-31-10 09:38 PM   #184 
     - Learning by "watching the mistakes of others?"  kiva   May-31-10 04:08 PM   #148 
        - Very defensive.  sense   May-31-10 06:10 PM   #165 
  - Why do I get the feeling...  regnaD kciN   May-31-10 01:02 AM   #119 
  - Oh, no!  sense   May-31-10 01:27 AM   #123 
  - They are part of the Cult of "Socialization".  Odin2005   May-31-10 01:26 PM   #136 
  - In this case I don't think her desires trump the rights of entire college classroom  alphafemale   May-31-10 05:43 AM   #129 
  - Such an imagination,  sense   May-31-10 11:47 AM   #134 
     - Yep, the infantilization of teens and young adults keeps getting worse and worse.  Odin2005   May-31-10 01:21 PM   #135 
     - One of my ancestors immigrated to America at the age of 12 ...  eppur_se_muova   May-31-10 03:53 PM   #144 
     - Then they need to sign a sh-tload of legal waivers.  alphafemale   May-31-10 09:20 PM   #183 
        - Obfuscating and missing the point.  sense   Jun-01-10 03:17 AM   #224 
  - why not just put her in some online courses and be done with it?  Blue_Tires   May-31-10 04:02 PM   #145 
  - Her parents want her to experience a classroom setting. n/t  tammywammy   May-31-10 04:04 PM   #146 
  - I hope they like her new 30-something ex-con boyfriend  Radical Activist   May-31-10 04:53 PM   #157 
  - Are you kidding? I went at 16, sorry no 30 year old ex con boyfriends, what a load of crap  NotThisTime   May-31-10 05:32 PM   #163 
  - Scary, scary!  sense   May-31-10 06:21 PM   #166 
  - Most community college students are not traditional 18-21 year olds students.  Radical Activist   May-31-10 07:04 PM   #171 
     - Your first mistake is assuming that home schooled = sheltered.  girl gone mad   May-31-10 07:09 PM   #174 
     - "29 is the average age of a community college student"  Radical Activist   May-31-10 07:18 PM   #176 
        - Your point was that she would end up dating a 30 year old ex-con.  girl gone mad   Jun-01-10 01:52 AM   #213 
     - Sheltered?  sense   May-31-10 07:36 PM   #177 
     - When I was 18  The Straight Story   May-31-10 08:46 PM   #181 
  - She'd probably be more likely to meet that type..  girl gone mad   May-31-10 06:52 PM   #170 
  - Well  Radical Activist   May-31-10 07:06 PM   #173 
  - Okay.  girl gone mad   May-31-10 07:12 PM   #175 
  - Since she is homeschooled, she is not likely to be going to  LisaL   May-31-10 11:16 PM   #190 
     - They have their own community with their own parties.  knitter4democracy   May-31-10 11:25 PM   #194 
     - Quite likely to be going.  sense   Jun-01-10 03:26 AM   #226 
  - FEAR, FEAR! TERRA, TERRA! HIDE THE CHILDREN!!!  Odin2005   May-31-10 11:58 PM   #201 
  - I was in college at 15, took a community college course as an adult with a 15 year old classmate  Blasphemer   May-31-10 11:30 PM   #195 
  - She isn't 15 yet. In fact if she were 15 the college would allow her  LisaL   May-31-10 11:59 PM   #202 
  - She isn't 15 yet. In fact if she were 15 the college would allow her  LisaL   Jun-01-10 12:00 AM   #203 
  - It's just the Nanny-Statists whipping up fear and moral panic.  Odin2005   Jun-01-10 12:01 AM   #204 
  - There isn't a problem....but they're  sense   Jun-01-10 03:27 AM   #228 
  - My opinion, as a gifted student when I was in school  moriah   Jun-01-10 12:24 AM   #208 
  - If safety is really that big of a concern, hire a student to chaperone her while she's on campus  Hippo_Tron   Jun-01-10 02:52 AM   #221 
  - Safety really is that big of a concern.  Dr Morbius   Jun-01-10 03:07 AM   #223 
     - Protecting yes. Cloistering, no.  sense   Jun-01-10 03:36 AM   #229 
  - They should try a sex discrimination suit. I have heard of plenty of young men  McCamy Taylor   Jun-01-10 03:40 PM   #242 
 

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