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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 09:21 AM
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132. learning is 24/7 for many kids...
you seem to lump everyone into the same category - in my house, we regard every moment as a teachable moment. Why do you assume that no one else does, other than you and parents of gifted kids? That's an over-generalization, as well as a quite negative and limited view of people, learning, schools and academic environments.

I am sorry that your and your child's experiences with "typical" educational settings and schools in general seem to have been so negative.
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  -Parents fight college that won't admit daughter, Anastasia Megan she's 13 The Straight Story  May-30-10 03:08 PM   #0 
  - When I was in college we had a 14 year old boy in our class. I can't say that his situation would  Happyhippychick   May-30-10 03:13 PM   #1 
  - You can't really home school college level though  TransitJohn   May-30-10 03:21 PM   #4 
  - It is called distance learning today, many colleges, most have options for it and several have  jp11   May-30-10 03:27 PM   #8 
  - I knew a man here in Florida who stated his son, the doctor, was the  monmouth   May-30-10 03:53 PM   #16 
  - 8 or 9? Holy cow. Wonder if most of em were home-schooled, or at genius  tigereye   May-30-10 08:53 PM   #65 
  - According to the article they allow 15 year olds attend the college  tammywammy   May-30-10 03:48 PM   #14 
  - that's what I was thinking- there must be thousands of these kids out there  tigereye   May-30-10 08:56 PM   #67 
  - I interviewed for the Program for the Exceptionally Gifted.  moriah   May-30-10 08:57 PM   #68 
     - I read a bit on the site  tammywammy   May-30-10 09:07 PM   #72 
  - Dead tour? That's not backsliding,  Morning Dew   May-30-10 09:01 PM   #69 
  - Home schooling  sense   May-30-10 04:10 PM   #21 
  - This Is About Way More Than Learning  NashVegas   May-30-10 08:30 PM   #56 
  - What isn't appropriate is to  sense   May-30-10 09:58 PM   #79 
     - Nice Way to Parse Words  NashVegas   May-31-10 07:50 AM   #129 
        - Having no understanding of gifted children  sense   May-31-10 03:50 PM   #141 
           - Sense, you understand the mind of a gifted child... they are tossed aside and parents do the best  NotThisTime   Jun-01-10 12:20 AM   #206 
  - We ran into some of that when we returned to the US  ProgressiveProfessor   May-30-10 10:22 PM   #85 
  - I started college at 14.  girl gone mad   May-30-10 08:39 PM   #61 
  - I wanted to add..  girl gone mad   May-31-10 07:05 PM   #171 
     - Good for you!  Dappleganger   Jun-01-10 02:48 PM   #235 
  - I know a guy who went to college at 15  Ex Lurker   May-30-10 11:48 PM   #103 
  - I had no trouble getting into bars when I was underage either.  sense   May-31-10 04:04 PM   #146 
  - I disagree  USArmyParatrooper   Jun-01-10 12:37 AM   #209 
  - There's no reason she can't do both  Hippo_Tron   Jun-01-10 02:35 AM   #216 
  - Thanks  Big Picture   Jun-01-10 03:40 PM   #240 
  - Wow, what really stupid parents...and they taught this girl? She's not  joeybee12   May-30-10 03:19 PM   #2 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   May-30-10 03:22 PM   #5 
  - surely you forgot  mzteris   May-30-10 03:46 PM   #13 
  - They're stupid?  sense   May-30-10 04:14 PM   #23 
  - Wow, nice hatched job on gifted kids!  Odin2005   May-30-10 04:27 PM   #28 
  - What the ****, joey. That's a really simplistic response to a complicated issue.  madinmaryland   May-30-10 04:37 PM   #33 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-30-10 08:34 PM   #58 
  - How wonderful that you make these assumptions....  moriah   May-30-10 09:02 PM   #70 
     - Plus, they drop out  sense   May-30-10 10:21 PM   #84 
        - Hell, if I'd dropped out, I'd have been better off....  moriah   May-31-10 02:31 AM   #123 
  - I was in college at 16 best thing I ever did... my son was accepted at 13 and would have  NotThisTime   May-30-10 03:19 PM   #3 
  - I understand where the college president is coming from.  Dr Morbius   May-30-10 03:26 PM   #6 
  - Hadn't thought of that.  Iggo   May-30-10 03:37 PM   #11 
  - Are college classes"unsupervised" these days? Mine all had teachers.  WinkyDink   May-30-10 08:35 PM   #59 
  - Before and after class is unsupervised, as are study groups.  knitter4democracy   May-31-10 03:17 PM   #137 
  - Being home schooled, I'm sure that her relationship  sense   May-31-10 04:13 PM   #148 
  - Parents don't have as many rights at a college, though.  knitter4democracy   May-31-10 11:12 PM   #187 
     - I'm quite certain the parents are willing  sense   May-31-10 11:55 PM   #199 
  - So you think she's going to be..  girl gone mad   May-31-10 06:25 PM   #166 
     - Not necessarily.  knitter4democracy   May-31-10 11:11 PM   #186 
        - Everything you mention could happen just as easily in high school.  sense   Jun-01-10 02:09 AM   #213 
        - If it's really that big of a concern, they could hire a female student to look after her  Hippo_Tron   Jun-01-10 02:29 AM   #215 
  - I am a college professor. I don't "supervise" my students.  Xithras   Jun-01-10 03:45 PM   #242 
  - Well, the "unsupervised" part is not that hard to prevent.  eppur_se_muova   May-31-10 03:43 PM   #140 
  - I sometimes have high school (usually 16 or 17) students in  enlightenment   May-30-10 03:26 PM   #7 
  - Best post on the subject. The parents might want to consider all of the  stanwyck   May-30-10 03:37 PM   #12 
  - We naturally mature at different rates, just  sense   May-31-10 04:58 PM   #157 
     - Good points. However, being the daughter or two teachers,  stanwyck   Jun-01-10 02:01 PM   #231 
        - There is no evidence to suggest that her parents haven't or aren't willing to  sense   Jun-01-10 02:45 PM   #234 
           - Again, good points. However, your assertion that  stanwyck   Jun-01-10 03:33 PM   #239 
              - My assertion is that being locked away for 6-7 hours a day with only your same  sense   Jun-01-10 04:49 PM   #243 
  - There's definitely something to what you say  JerseygirlCT   May-30-10 04:01 PM   #18 
  - Yes, reading is good, but there's no point  sense   May-30-10 10:42 PM   #88 
  - Sadly, my son  sense   May-30-10 04:22 PM   #24 
  - I think you need to look up the word discrimination.  enlightenment   May-30-10 09:56 PM   #78 
     - Contradicting your own advice and still not  sense   May-30-10 10:30 PM   #86 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   May-30-10 11:52 PM   #105 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   May-31-10 12:14 AM   #113 
  - This exact issue is what crossed my mind first.  GreenEyedLefty   May-31-10 04:39 PM   #153 
  - If she can't be challenged academically any more it's because she  joeybee12   May-30-10 03:29 PM   #9 
  - She certainly won't win in the court of public opinion  Arkana   May-30-10 04:03 PM   #20 
  - Oh, my god!  sense   May-30-10 04:32 PM   #30 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   May-30-10 07:31 PM   #49 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-30-10 08:48 PM   #62 
     - They already punish the bright kids, my daughter was told to sit in the back of the class since she  NotThisTime   May-30-10 11:51 PM   #104 
        - Our experience was the same.....  sense   May-31-10 12:18 AM   #114 
        - Nope, you're wrong, they only educate those who are average, anything above that and it's the  NotThisTime   May-31-10 05:28 PM   #160 
        - You're right. And they completely leave the bright kids out of any  DevonRex   Jun-01-10 03:03 PM   #237 
           - you're right, for the most part they do NOT fit in with their age peers. My son is 5 years ahead  NotThisTime   Jun-01-10 03:14 PM   #238 
  - Try to update  sense   May-30-10 04:24 PM   #26 
  - No use, the Homeschooling haters have internalized the "Socialization" propaganda...  Odin2005   May-30-10 04:34 PM   #32 
     - No, we've met too many parents who believe that  Missy Vixen   May-30-10 05:44 PM   #38 
     - The plural of anectdote is not data.  Odin2005   May-30-10 06:38 PM   #40 
     - "The plural of anectdote is not data."  tammywammy   May-30-10 07:28 PM   #47 
     - No problem!  Odin2005   May-30-10 08:21 PM   #53 
     - Use, repeatedly, on anti-vaxers......n/t  msanthrope   May-31-10 04:17 PM   #149 
     - Before you slap me down for not believing that homeschooling  Missy Vixen   May-31-10 12:38 AM   #115 
     - There is oversight and accountability in most states.  sense   May-31-10 01:13 AM   #119 
     - If that someone is a self-styled "teacher", it's damn well relevant  Missy Vixen   May-31-10 02:19 PM   #136 
        - Sheesh...  sense   May-31-10 04:33 PM   #151 
     - dupe-oops.  sense   May-31-10 01:13 AM   #120 
     - The family in the OP isn't "most families"  Hippo_Tron   Jun-01-10 02:44 AM   #219 
     - And, by the way,  Missy Vixen   May-31-10 12:50 AM   #117 
     - Sufficient education to function in the world?  sense   May-31-10 01:20 AM   #121 
     - "Anectdote" doesn't look right. nt  Obamanaut   May-31-10 04:52 PM   #155 
        - Oh wow, a typo. Jeez.  Odin2005   May-31-10 11:48 PM   #196 
           - by someone promoting homeschooling...  snooper2   Jun-01-10 02:05 PM   #232 
     - Sorry to hear that your anecdotal experience has been  sense   May-30-10 10:38 PM   #87 
     - The Issue Is Not Homeschooling  NashVegas   May-31-10 07:53 AM   #130 
        - Learning shouldn't have age criteria.  sense   May-31-10 04:46 PM   #154 
           - I was reading at four  Missy Vixen   May-31-10 09:54 PM   #184 
              - Kay!  sense   May-31-10 10:49 PM   #185 
              - I was punished a lot because I corrected ignorant teachers.  Odin2005   May-31-10 11:52 PM   #198 
              - Exactly!  sense   Jun-01-10 12:03 AM   #205 
              - Everyone is special, aren't they?  Missy Vixen   Jun-01-10 01:23 AM   #210 
                 - Oversight is a good thing...don't twist my words to make them  sense   Jun-01-10 02:25 AM   #214 
                    - I'm done talking with you  Missy Vixen   Jun-01-10 01:37 PM   #230 
                       - cool.  sense   Jun-01-10 02:07 PM   #233 
              - like many autistics I'm hyperlexic, i was reading at just over 3.  Odin2005   May-31-10 11:50 PM   #197 
              - Dupe, sorry  moriah   Jun-01-10 03:24 AM   #224 
              - Agreed on the comprehensive hold harmless agreement.  moriah   Jun-01-10 03:27 AM   #226 
  - Uh, unless this gal has an autism spectrum disorder she doesn't need to be taught "social skills".  Odin2005   May-30-10 04:32 PM   #29 
  - Absolutely!  sense   May-30-10 04:33 PM   #31 
  - Or perhaps she absorbed academics very quickly?  moriah   May-31-10 12:00 AM   #110 
  - Similar thing happened  H2O Man   May-30-10 03:32 PM   #10 
  - "What's the worst that can happen?"...  SidDithers   May-30-10 03:52 PM   #15 
  - Teacher's feeling insecure about  sense   May-30-10 11:00 PM   #93 
     - No, much worse than that.  knitter4democracy   May-31-10 03:21 PM   #138 
        - The profs are as likely to engage in all of those things.  sense   May-31-10 04:39 PM   #152 
           - Sure, but they're supervised and monitored to a degree.  knitter4democracy   May-31-10 11:13 PM   #188 
              - There is no more danger there than at the mall.  sense   Jun-01-10 12:02 AM   #204 
  - there are early admissions programs now for this, including Mary Baldwin (in VA)  zazen   May-30-10 03:59 PM   #17 
  - exactly. why bother with a glorified trade school?  northzax   May-30-10 08:53 PM   #66 
  - My son attended a cc because he could choose the more  sense   May-30-10 10:51 PM   #90 
  - My experience was completely different.  girl gone mad   May-30-10 09:07 PM   #71 
  - This sounds much more like the experiences  sense   May-30-10 10:55 PM   #92 
  - As I posted earlier, if finances are limited...  moriah   May-30-10 09:10 PM   #73 
  - that sounds sensible if the parents are able to find such a program..  tigereye   May-30-10 09:17 PM   #74 
  - I did an early admission program--full-time at 15. It worked for me. n/t  msanthrope   May-31-10 04:20 PM   #150 
  - Thumbs down--I'd side with the college.  Arkana   May-30-10 04:02 PM   #19 
  - Where are you accessing these so-called facts?  sense   May-30-10 04:39 PM   #34 
  - Home schooling leaves you with no social skills?  Riftaxe   May-30-10 05:56 PM   #39 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-30-10 09:24 PM   #75 
  - Is this some kind of self-defense mechanism you're working on?  rockymountaindem   May-30-10 07:31 PM   #50 
  - If she has passed the required  Nite Owl   May-30-10 04:14 PM   #22 
  - That was my son's experience.  sense   May-30-10 04:44 PM   #35 
  - Book smart vs. street smart  Stargazer09   May-30-10 04:22 PM   #25 
  - No one is suggesting  sense   May-30-10 04:48 PM   #36 
     - I wasn't suggesting that, either  Stargazer09   May-30-10 07:21 PM   #44 
  - Smart young lady. I don't see what the problem is.  Odin2005   May-30-10 04:25 PM   #27 
  - Pervasive fear, from the looks of it  depakid   May-30-10 06:55 PM   #42 
     - Parents have been whipped up into paranoia by the MSM.  Odin2005   May-30-10 07:15 PM   #43 
        - In this case, it's Florida institutions  depakid   May-30-10 08:02 PM   #52 
  - I was in college at age 14.  glen123098   May-30-10 05:04 PM   #37 
  - I agree completely! I wish I could have done what you did!  Odin2005   May-30-10 06:39 PM   #41 
  - Yeah that's what I was thinking  Johonny   May-30-10 07:58 PM   #51 
  - Thank you! My son was bullied in school  sense   May-30-10 11:09 PM   #94 
  - I understand the college's position. Perhaps vetted chaperones could be found to minimize the risk  aikoaiko   May-30-10 07:24 PM   #45 
  - IMHO, YMMV  Missy Vixen   Jun-01-10 01:33 PM   #229 
  - I have been a college student  SheilaT   May-30-10 07:25 PM   #46 
  - That's a very good idea, especially for gifted kids like this gal.  Odin2005   May-30-10 08:23 PM   #54 
  - So you'd send her to a foreign country by herself instead of  sense   May-30-10 11:21 PM   #95 
     - There's all kinds of learning besides what you take classes for.  wickerwoman   May-31-10 02:41 AM   #124 
        - I agree that learning is 24/7 and isn't  sense   May-31-10 03:13 AM   #126 
  - I don't think this would pass the test as age discrimination, from what I  Dream Girl   May-30-10 07:28 PM   #48 
  - How sad that children are not considered  sense   May-30-10 11:25 PM   #97 
  - I left high school and started college at 16  marshall   May-30-10 08:30 PM   #55 
  - OMG, "safety issues"?? Really? I mean, REALLY? [tmSNL] Get a grip, Mr. Mojock.  WinkyDink   May-30-10 08:32 PM   #57 
  - I guess you have never heard of child molestation?? Grown women are raped on campus,now imagine  Pisces   May-30-10 08:36 PM   #60 
     - I attended the school that engendered the law that has colleges report crimes on campus.  WinkyDink   May-30-10 08:50 PM   #63 
     - Was the murder that guy that was stabbed in the library?  struggle4progress   May-31-10 04:38 AM   #127 
     - It's a community college. She'll go to class and go home, not live on campus.  LeftyMom   May-30-10 10:00 PM   #80 
     - But there are still issues there.  knitter4democracy   May-31-10 03:26 PM   #139 
        - There are dangers everywhere  sense   May-31-10 05:11 PM   #158 
        - They're her parents, though, and not the college president.  knitter4democracy   May-31-10 11:23 PM   #192 
           - Why would you think that her parents would  sense   Jun-01-10 12:26 AM   #208 
        - Or she could just go to class..  girl gone mad   May-31-10 06:31 PM   #167 
        - In a perfect world, that could and should happen.  knitter4democracy   May-31-10 11:19 PM   #191 
        - At community college?  girl gone mad   Jun-01-10 01:46 AM   #211 
        - You're leaving out he parents role  sense   Jun-01-10 02:41 AM   #217 
        - I vote for this one! Post #168  sense   Jun-01-10 02:43 AM   #218 
        - All of that could happen at her local public high school too.  LeftyMom   May-31-10 06:37 PM   #168 
           - I know. I teach at an alternative high school.  knitter4democracy   May-31-10 11:16 PM   #190 
              - The people who get to determine her best interests? Her parents.  LeftyMom   May-31-10 11:47 PM   #195 
              - What would make you think that  sense   Jun-01-10 03:04 AM   #221 
     - Are you serious?  Dappleganger   Jun-01-10 02:49 PM   #236 
  - hmm, why don't they find a college that has more programs for ultra- gifted  tigereye   May-30-10 08:51 PM   #64 
  - Good luck with that!  sense   May-30-10 11:35 PM   #99 
     - I don't know, I have encountered many schools in my life that do encourage  tigereye   May-31-10 09:12 AM   #131 
        - Obviously my view is just my view, but it's  sense   May-31-10 05:24 PM   #159 
           - I guess I thought that there were many more programs for highly gifted kids  tigereye   May-31-10 08:40 PM   #179 
              - Sadly, I think education has been affected by the political climate  sense   May-31-10 09:13 PM   #181 
  - I can see the school's POV...on liability  fortyfeetunder   May-30-10 09:34 PM   #76 
  - That wasn't a problem for the  sense   May-30-10 11:40 PM   #100 
     - The liability spectrum between high school and college  fortyfeetunder   May-31-10 02:45 AM   #125 
        - Perfection isn't available and not what they're searching for  sense   May-31-10 05:31 PM   #161 
  - The parents are wrong. I'm in college...  adoraz   May-30-10 09:42 PM   #77 
  - Not try to stir shit?  sense   May-30-10 11:47 PM   #102 
     - "locked up in high school"?  adoraz   May-30-10 11:59 PM   #108 
        - Locked up with only your age peers,  sense   May-31-10 12:41 AM   #116 
  - "What's the worst that can happen, honestly?"  Ned Bro   May-30-10 10:07 PM   #81 
  - So people should not send kids to college out of fear of rape? Fear, Fear, Fear, terra, terra, terra  The Straight Story   May-30-10 10:09 PM   #82 
     - People shouldn't be sending their 13-year-old daughters!  Ned Bro   May-30-10 10:11 PM   #83 
        - It's a community college. She's not going away to school, she'll take classes where she lives.  LeftyMom   May-30-10 10:45 PM   #89 
        - Wow! I'm sure glad you're not in charge.  sense   May-30-10 11:53 PM   #106 
  - Even though it isn't any kind of degree program  hyphenate   May-30-10 10:53 PM   #91 
  - That is a good option, but doesn't work for many and  sense   May-30-10 11:56 PM   #107 
  - Did anyone other than me notice that the article said  hyphenate   May-30-10 11:22 PM   #96 
  - I noticed that too  tammywammy   May-30-10 11:28 PM   #98 
  - Nothing wrong with that.  sense   May-31-10 12:02 AM   #111 
  - The story is about her, not her siblings  sense   May-31-10 12:00 AM   #109 
  - College isn't just education  Renew Deal   May-30-10 11:44 PM   #101 
  - The typical 13 year old isn't ready for college, but  sense   May-31-10 12:08 AM   #112 
     - learning is 24/7 for many kids...  tigereye   May-31-10 09:21 AM   #132 
     - thank you for articulating what has been going  MrsMatt   May-31-10 03:52 PM   #142 
     - sure! I suppose that I may have a bit more positive attitude, certainly there  tigereye   May-31-10 08:33 PM   #178 
     - Because I'm advocating that we all do the best  sense   May-31-10 05:57 PM   #163 
        - I simply don't encounter schools that operate that way - the new methods  tigereye   May-31-10 08:31 PM   #177 
           - I'm quite certain that our experiences color the way  sense   May-31-10 09:38 PM   #183 
     - Learning by "watching the mistakes of others?"  kiva   May-31-10 04:08 PM   #147 
        - Very defensive.  sense   May-31-10 06:10 PM   #164 
  - Why do I get the feeling...  regnaD kciN   May-31-10 01:02 AM   #118 
  - Oh, no!  sense   May-31-10 01:27 AM   #122 
  - They are part of the Cult of "Socialization".  Odin2005   May-31-10 01:26 PM   #135 
  - In this case I don't think her desires trump the rights of entire college classroom  alphafemale   May-31-10 05:43 AM   #128 
  - Such an imagination,  sense   May-31-10 11:47 AM   #133 
     - Yep, the infantilization of teens and young adults keeps getting worse and worse.  Odin2005   May-31-10 01:21 PM   #134 
     - One of my ancestors immigrated to America at the age of 12 ...  eppur_se_muova   May-31-10 03:53 PM   #143 
     - Then they need to sign a sh-tload of legal waivers.  alphafemale   May-31-10 09:20 PM   #182 
        - Obfuscating and missing the point.  sense   Jun-01-10 03:17 AM   #223 
  - why not just put her in some online courses and be done with it?  Blue_Tires   May-31-10 04:02 PM   #144 
  - Her parents want her to experience a classroom setting. n/t  tammywammy   May-31-10 04:04 PM   #145 
  - I hope they like her new 30-something ex-con boyfriend  Radical Activist   May-31-10 04:53 PM   #156 
  - Are you kidding? I went at 16, sorry no 30 year old ex con boyfriends, what a load of crap  NotThisTime   May-31-10 05:32 PM   #162 
  - Scary, scary!  sense   May-31-10 06:21 PM   #165 
  - Most community college students are not traditional 18-21 year olds students.  Radical Activist   May-31-10 07:04 PM   #170 
     - Your first mistake is assuming that home schooled = sheltered.  girl gone mad   May-31-10 07:09 PM   #173 
     - "29 is the average age of a community college student"  Radical Activist   May-31-10 07:18 PM   #175 
        - Your point was that she would end up dating a 30 year old ex-con.  girl gone mad   Jun-01-10 01:52 AM   #212 
     - Sheltered?  sense   May-31-10 07:36 PM   #176 
     - When I was 18  The Straight Story   May-31-10 08:46 PM   #180 
  - She'd probably be more likely to meet that type..  girl gone mad   May-31-10 06:52 PM   #169 
  - Well  Radical Activist   May-31-10 07:06 PM   #172 
  - Okay.  girl gone mad   May-31-10 07:12 PM   #174 
  - Since she is homeschooled, she is not likely to be going to  LisaL   May-31-10 11:16 PM   #189 
     - They have their own community with their own parties.  knitter4democracy   May-31-10 11:25 PM   #193 
     - Quite likely to be going.  sense   Jun-01-10 03:26 AM   #225 
  - FEAR, FEAR! TERRA, TERRA! HIDE THE CHILDREN!!!  Odin2005   May-31-10 11:58 PM   #200 
  - I was in college at 15, took a community college course as an adult with a 15 year old classmate  Blasphemer   May-31-10 11:30 PM   #194 
  - She isn't 15 yet. In fact if she were 15 the college would allow her  LisaL   May-31-10 11:59 PM   #201 
  - She isn't 15 yet. In fact if she were 15 the college would allow her  LisaL   Jun-01-10 12:00 AM   #202 
  - It's just the Nanny-Statists whipping up fear and moral panic.  Odin2005   Jun-01-10 12:01 AM   #203 
  - There isn't a problem....but they're  sense   Jun-01-10 03:27 AM   #227 
  - My opinion, as a gifted student when I was in school  moriah   Jun-01-10 12:24 AM   #207 
  - If safety is really that big of a concern, hire a student to chaperone her while she's on campus  Hippo_Tron   Jun-01-10 02:52 AM   #220 
  - Safety really is that big of a concern.  Dr Morbius   Jun-01-10 03:07 AM   #222 
     - Protecting yes. Cloistering, no.  sense   Jun-01-10 03:36 AM   #228 
  - They should try a sex discrimination suit. I have heard of plenty of young men  McCamy Taylor   Jun-01-10 03:40 PM   #241 
 

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