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156. Yes, please do
Please link to me one post wherein a religious DUer is offended by the mere statement of lack of belief in God. Not by being called a name or by a childish comment about "sky daddies" or the like, but by--as you claimed--the mere statement by an atheist that they are an atheist. I've never seen it, personally. By and by, being offended and claiming persecution is not, at all, "more or less the same."
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  -Atheist fired for self-identifying on internet message boards Junkie Brewster  May-29-10 08:03 PM   #0 
  - There's a free for all already in progress, if you're interested in wading in  charlie   May-29-10 08:06 PM   #1 
  - Wow! I had no idea there were so many bigots here!  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 08:13 PM   #2 
     - Bigots?  Rage for Order   May-29-10 08:32 PM   #3 
     - I hardly think we should use what the Republicans would do as an example to follow  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 08:36 PM   #4 
     - What would happen to Tim Kaine of the DNC  harkadog   May-29-10 11:12 PM   #68 
     - No one would be surprised. (NT)  Tesha   May-30-10 07:32 PM   #157 
     - You brought up the example of someone being fired for supporting Obama  Rage for Order   May-30-10 09:11 AM   #123 
     - She's a math teacher.  JackRiddler   May-29-10 11:57 PM   #89 
     - Yes. Bigots.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   May-30-10 12:40 PM   #135 
     - Who's a bigot? It's a private Catholic school. Like it or not -  lynne   May-29-10 08:36 PM   #5 
     - So a private business should be allowed to discriminate?  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 08:46 PM   #6 
     - Private businesses are allowed to discriminate  tammywammy   May-29-10 08:50 PM   #7 
     - She didn't mention it at work  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 08:53 PM   #9 
        - It doesn't matter that she didn't mention it at work  tammywammy   May-29-10 08:56 PM   #10 
        - Again, would you say the same thing if she was Jewish?  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 09:56 PM   #12 
        - Yes, it would be legal for a Catholic school to not hire a Jewish person  tammywammy   May-29-10 10:00 PM   #13 
        - she pretended to pray. she pretended to participate in the christian and catholic rites.  seabeyond   May-29-10 10:01 PM   #14 
        - Exactly. Had it not been for exercising her first amendment rights...  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:08 PM   #19 
           - But the school has the right to limit it's teachers to those that hold a belief in God  tammywammy   May-29-10 10:12 PM   #21 
           - Religious institutions don't need to rely on bona fide occupational qualification  charlie   May-29-10 10:23 PM   #34 
              - You're right, I was just trying to make it simple  tammywammy   May-29-10 10:25 PM   #37 
           - had it not been for her being a fool and letting the cat out of the bag, or exposing her lie  seabeyond   May-29-10 11:20 PM   #69 
              - Yes, as a school teacher, she has no right to a private, personal life  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 11:22 PM   #70 
              - damn straight. i understand... internet, lol, is not "private". so i am aware of what i post  seabeyond   May-29-10 11:25 PM   #72 
                 - She was fired for being a member of an atheist website  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 11:32 PM   #78 
                 - Then you're a fool and are part of the reason why employers feel they can  Raineyb   May-29-10 11:42 PM   #80 
                    - i am a fool because i know that internet is not "private" and i can get my ass fired or suffer other  seabeyond   May-30-10 08:11 AM   #116 
              - What lie?  smokey nj   May-29-10 11:25 PM   #71 
                 - you will also read that she participated in prayer and other religious rites. lookin like a lie  seabeyond   May-29-10 11:26 PM   #73 
                    - It means she didn't make her lack of belief an issue at work. No dishonesty is implied.  smokey nj   May-29-10 11:29 PM   #76 
                    - she pretended to be a christian. lie. nt  seabeyond   May-30-10 08:12 AM   #117 
                       - The judge in her unemployment case found no misconduct on her behalf  smokey nj   May-30-10 10:36 AM   #127 
                          - umemployment cases are hard to win for an employer, as it should be and that is fine.  seabeyond   May-30-10 12:18 PM   #133 
                             - Her lack of religion DID NOT interfere with her job. The facts of the case make that clear.  smokey nj   May-30-10 12:47 PM   #136 
                                - she said she participated, firstly. secondly, whether other private religious schools are more open  seabeyond   May-30-10 01:01 PM   #137 
                                - THIS school employs non-Catholic faculty therefore, adherence to Catholic doctrine  smokey nj   May-30-10 01:19 PM   #138 
                                - many christians school, though of a particular denomination, do not require specific religion  seabeyond   May-30-10 01:51 PM   #139 
                                - You're alleging something for which you have no proof.  smokey nj   May-30-10 02:01 PM   #140 
                                - You're alleging something ... as are you. you are right, they are guesses.  seabeyond   May-30-10 02:29 PM   #142 
                                - Not believing in transubstantiation also contradicts the school's goals,  smokey nj   May-30-10 03:06 PM   #147 
                                - wtf? lol. i think we have played this one out.  seabeyond   May-30-10 03:18 PM   #148 
                    - So I guess you think all atheist students are liars when they recite "one nation under God"?  Chef Eric   May-30-10 12:49 AM   #104 
        - Just further proof  customerserviceguy   May-29-10 10:14 PM   #23 
        - "Standards"? That's a strange word to use in this context. nt  Chef Eric   May-29-10 10:19 PM   #27 
           - How so?  tammywammy   May-29-10 10:21 PM   #30 
              - It almost implies that a believer is "better" than a non-believer.  Chef Eric   May-29-10 11:52 PM   #86 
              - An institution that doesn't get rid of pedophiles thinks atheism is unacceptable?  Raineyb   May-29-10 11:52 PM   #87 
        - That is pretty standard actually.  yodoobo   May-29-10 10:22 PM   #31 
     - All. The. time. Legally.  KonaKane   May-29-10 08:51 PM   #8 
     - What if a teacher at a gay school said he felt "god hates fags" on their FB? (nt)  The Straight Story   May-29-10 10:02 PM   #15 
     - As long as he doesn't try to spread his philosophy to students...  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:09 PM   #20 
     - The teacher in question didn't try spread her philosophy to students.  smokey nj   May-29-10 10:20 PM   #28 
     - Could you please give some examples of "gay schools"? Thanks. nt  Chef Eric   May-30-10 12:00 AM   #90 
     - Harvey Milk High School in NYC.  smokey nj   May-30-10 12:13 AM   #92 
        - They're a public school FWIW  Junkie Brewster   May-30-10 12:18 AM   #94 
        - I know HMHS is a public school.  smokey nj   May-30-10 12:23 AM   #95 
        - How is Harvey Milk High School a "gay school"? They don't teach kids to be gay. nt  Chef Eric   May-30-10 12:25 AM   #97 
           - You weren't real clear about what kind of example you wanted, so I went  smokey nj   May-30-10 12:30 AM   #98 
              - I asked for an example because I thought it would help me understand your point.  Chef Eric   May-30-10 12:39 AM   #100 
                 - I wasn't making a point. I merely answered a question you asked of another poster.  smokey nj   May-30-10 12:44 AM   #102 
                    - O.K., thanks. Sorry to be a pest. nt  Chef Eric   May-30-10 12:50 AM   #105 
                       - You're not a pest. When threads get active, it becomes difficult to tell who's responding to what.  smokey nj   May-30-10 12:52 AM   #106 
     - Are you seriously comparing atheists to bigoted hate groups? n/t  me b zola   May-30-10 12:48 AM   #103 
     - good question  Shadow Creature   May-29-10 10:59 PM   #63 
     - Not so much discrimination in this case as an employment requirement -  lynne   May-30-10 07:29 AM   #107 
     - WOW! Many here at DU support Rand Paul...  SkyDaddy7   May-30-10 08:08 PM   #159 
     - Does it receive a dime of federal funding?  KamaAina   May-29-10 10:29 PM   #42 
     - Signed, Rand Paul. n/t  TransitJohn   May-30-10 08:02 AM   #113 
     - If they get any kind of public funds, they shouldn't be able to...n/t  joeybee12   May-30-10 03:21 PM   #149 
     - Whatever  Bert   May-30-10 05:44 PM   #155 
     - What company do you work for which would allow  pipoman   May-29-10 09:18 PM   #11 
     - Socialism and Communism are against pretty much EVERY company's core values  Lyric   May-29-10 10:07 PM   #17 
        - You can't answer a question with a question.  pipoman   May-29-10 10:21 PM   #29 
        - I've always though that a bunch of communists should get together and start a charter school.  JVS   May-30-10 12:42 AM   #101 
     - he works for microsoft, but on his facebook he tells all it is junk, to buy a mac  seabeyond   May-29-10 10:06 PM   #16 
     - Atheists get away with being bigots on DU all the time  WolverineDG   May-29-10 11:51 PM   #85 
     - Oh please, pretty much anytime anyone states their lack of belief in God...  Cleobulus   May-30-10 08:03 AM   #114 
        - Can you point to just one example of that?  spoony   May-30-10 03:27 PM   #151 
           - Offended probably is the better word, but the result is more or less the same...  Cleobulus   May-30-10 05:33 PM   #154 
              - Yes, please do  spoony   May-30-10 06:12 PM   #156 
     - Umm she worked for the Cathlic Church as a teacher  Tailormyst   May-30-10 11:02 AM   #132 
     - It's alarming how so many blame the victims of abuse or injustice.  AnArmyVeteran   May-30-10 02:35 PM   #143 
     - Honey, in my state employers can fire somebody for any reason or NO reason,  raccoon   May-31-10 10:21 AM   #161 
  - Facebook outing the stupid again...  depakid   May-29-10 10:07 PM   #18 
  - So are all atheists stupid, or just the ones who dare admit it?  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:13 PM   #22 
  - Sorry  customerserviceguy   May-29-10 10:17 PM   #24 
  - It might be stupid to diss your employer on Facebook, but she didn't do ithat  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:23 PM   #35 
     - To say that you don't believe in a deity  customerserviceguy   May-29-10 10:35 PM   #47 
        - Well if that's the case, then the school violated Section VII of the EEOC  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:47 PM   #53 
           - If that's true  customerserviceguy   May-31-10 10:19 AM   #160 
  - Would you say it's a safe bet that her beliefs led her to LIE on her employment application?  cherokeeprogressive   May-29-10 10:18 PM   #25 
  - If she had lied on her application, I am sure the school would have publicized that fact  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:30 PM   #43 
     - I can't believe for the life of me that the question wasn't asked on the app.  cherokeeprogressive   May-29-10 10:43 PM   #51 
        - All I can say is this-  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:50 PM   #54 
           - Here's a link to the Diocese employment application form. I don't see any questions pertaining to a  smokey nj   May-29-10 10:52 PM   #56 
              - Nope. It doesn't even ask about Catholicism  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:54 PM   #58 
                 - It may be covered in their "code of conduct" or employment contract  yodoobo   May-30-10 08:01 AM   #112 
  - using facebook to announce a conflict of interest with your employer  yodoobo   May-29-10 10:19 PM   #26 
  - Or someone getting a job with NOW  tammywammy   May-29-10 10:23 PM   #32 
  - But she didn't do that  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:25 PM   #36 
  - Yes it is, if your employer is a Catholic school that requires a belief in God. n/t  tammywammy   May-29-10 10:26 PM   #38 
  - seems exactly the same to me.  yodoobo   May-29-10 10:26 PM   #40 
  - Do you think that somewhere on her employment application, the question "Do you believe in God"  cherokeeprogressive   May-29-10 10:29 PM   #41 
     - They knew she wasn't Catholic when they hired her.  smokey nj   May-29-10 10:32 PM   #46 
     - Are you saying you believe a Catholic school employment application wouldn't ask if you believe in  cherokeeprogressive   May-29-10 10:38 PM   #50 
        - It doesn't.  smokey nj   May-29-10 10:43 PM   #52 
        - Wow. It doesn't even mention religion at all  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:52 PM   #55 
        - I owe a whole bunch of people a huge apology. I was totally wrong. WRONG I WAS.  cherokeeprogressive   May-29-10 10:58 PM   #61 
           - S'allright. It happens. N/T  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 11:03 PM   #66 
           - Apology accepted.  smokey nj   May-29-10 11:06 PM   #67 
        - Most likely it wouldn't  TorchTheWitch   May-29-10 11:54 PM   #88 
        - I doubt it  Dorian Gray   May-30-10 02:05 PM   #141 
     - Actually, I really doubt that  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:35 PM   #48 
  - The teacher announced a disagreement. But a "conflict of interest"? That's debatable.  Chef Eric   May-29-10 10:31 PM   #45 
  - Saying "there is no God" while working for a Catholic school?  KonaKane   May-29-10 10:55 PM   #59 
  - If there is a "conflict of interest" here, it's because the school does not care about math...  Chef Eric   May-30-10 12:05 AM   #91 
     - That might be true, but it isn't the point of law  yodoobo   May-30-10 07:59 AM   #110 
  - Its not up to you and me to decide that  yodoobo   May-29-10 11:27 PM   #74 
     - I am not "deciding" anything. And I never said that the school was not within its rights.  Chef Eric   May-29-10 11:44 PM   #81 
        - I'm betting the local EEOC investigator won't see how either N/T  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 11:47 PM   #83 
        - Well actually you said "its debateable"  yodoobo   May-30-10 12:23 AM   #96 
           - Well, I don't think the employer's point of view is the only one that matters.  Chef Eric   May-30-10 12:31 AM   #99 
              - We don't have it, but they are usually pretty consistent in this area  yodoobo   May-30-10 07:56 AM   #109 
  - The other non-Catholic teachers employed by the school announce a conflict of interest with their  smokey nj   May-30-10 03:28 PM   #152 
     - then we should ask what was different here.  yodoobo   May-30-10 07:33 PM   #158 
  - The Catholic church is going to fire you if you don't uphold its doctrines  depakid   May-29-10 10:23 PM   #33 
     - Actually, the article makes clear that they employ non-Catholics  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:26 PM   #39 
     - Nevertheless it's their prerogative- and there are tons of instance where they've done so  depakid   May-29-10 10:35 PM   #49 
        - Actually, under Title VII, I'm pretty sure it's not  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 10:53 PM   #57 
           - But they can sure fire you if they feel you are hurting their stated mission  KonaKane   May-29-10 10:57 PM   #60 
              - How is hiring non-Catholics any different? If they're not Catholic, they don't  smokey nj   May-29-10 11:00 PM   #64 
              - But she didn't do that, did she?  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 11:02 PM   #65 
              - Catholics have been know to have problems with Lutherans in the past, you know...  PassingFair   May-30-10 10:47 AM   #129 
     - They knew she wasn't Catholic when they hired her, so they knew she didn't necessarily uphold their  smokey nj   May-29-10 10:30 PM   #44 
  - Honesty should not be a crime...  AnArmyVeteran   May-30-10 02:47 PM   #146 
  - Ah well. The astute students will notice the dissonance  charlie   May-29-10 10:59 PM   #62 
  - Well said, charlie. nt  Chef Eric   May-30-10 12:16 AM   #93 
  - Pedophilia is fine to Catholic leaders, but don't dare be an honest person!  AnArmyVeteran   May-30-10 02:46 PM   #145 
  - I'm sorry, I know people here love to hate Catholics,  liberalhistorian   May-29-10 11:28 PM   #75 
  - She not he. n/t  tammywammy   May-29-10 11:30 PM   #77 
  - You don't have to hate Catholics to be opposed to bigotry  Junkie Brewster   May-29-10 11:37 PM   #79 
  - Funny, you'd think being a pedophile would be a bigger impediment to employment  Raineyb   May-29-10 11:51 PM   #84 
  - Yes, you would think so, wouldn't you?  liberalhistorian   May-30-10 09:52 AM   #125 
  - I hate this oversensitive crap, speaking as an ex-Catholic, just STFU already.  Cleobulus   May-30-10 07:50 AM   #108 
  - I did not say I agreed with it. And I was not making excuses  liberalhistorian   May-30-10 09:50 AM   #124 
     - Oh please, start with an unsupported assertion and then claim oppression...  Cleobulus   May-30-10 10:39 AM   #128 
        - Oh, I see  spoony   May-30-10 03:30 PM   #153 
  - Just what is their 'doctrine'? Does that mean employees must be forced to rape children?  AnArmyVeteran   May-30-10 03:26 PM   #150 
  - We atheists are the last group that it's OK to treat like shit.  Odin2005   May-29-10 11:46 PM   #82 
  - Atheists and............SMOKERS!!!!!  TransitJohn   May-30-10 08:14 AM   #118 
  - It's the same reason that the likes of Tiger Woods are fired  marshall   May-30-10 08:01 AM   #111 
  - Did you just compare Atheism to the action of Tiger Woods?  Cleobulus   May-30-10 08:05 AM   #115 
     - It's all about perspective of the employer  marshall   May-30-10 08:41 AM   #120 
  - I'll ask the same question I asked in the other thread on this subject:  onenote   May-30-10 08:15 AM   #119 
  - If this teacher insisted that pi=3, then you might have a point...  Cleobulus   May-30-10 08:55 AM   #121 
  - so if a file clerk at the NAACP publicly announced that they had joined the KKK  onenote   May-30-10 10:49 AM   #130 
     - You know, its really fucked up, and downright offensive, to compare a lack of belief...  Cleobulus   May-30-10 10:58 AM   #131 
  - That's a poor analogy  Junkie Brewster   May-30-10 09:55 AM   #126 
  - Now if the Catholics could just be as discriminating  Codeine   May-30-10 09:00 AM   #122 
  - Mother Theresa didn't believe in God either. n/t  daleo   May-30-10 12:39 PM   #134 
  - I'm an atheist, but this doesn't really bother me.  Blue-Jay   May-30-10 02:42 PM   #144 
 

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